Space Station Leak Found, Fixed 225
Rommel writes "NewScientist.com is reporting that the cause of the leak in the International Space Station has been found and fixed. The leak was found in a hose in the Destiny lab module. The hose was used to equalize pressure and eliminate fog between two panes of a window. While the leak was so slow it was unlikely to pose a direct threat to the crew for months to come, some equipment on the ISS is only certified to operate above a certain air pressure. The leak was originally mentioned on Slashdot a few days back."
Hack comics all over the country rejoice... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:To the Moon! (Score:2)
Link [tshirthell.com]
Didn't read the article... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:2)
For a very large leak, just look for the impact damage where equipment and bodies slammed hardest against the surrounding hull sections.
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:2)
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, I think the ISS uses normal 14.7psi of normal earth air, so they'd have to make the air a lot more Oxygen rich if there was a leak. Anyways, just my 2 cents.
Can't remember any sources exactly, so feel
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:5, Informative)
What happened with Apollo 1 is that it was supposed to use low-pressure pure oxygen in flight. However, on the ground, they couldn't do that because the capsule was only meant to take pressure pushing out. If they had used low-pressure oxygen on the ground, it would have been crushed by the outside air. So they just increased the pressure. Oxygen at 3psi is ok, but oxygen at 16psi is an incredible fire hazard. Fire starts, everybody dies.
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:2)
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:2)
It is interesting that the fire hazard rises rapidly just above the normal atmospheric partial pressure, which is the optimum for organic life as we know it. But, as you imply, you can take away the nitrogen and the odd bit of Argon and CO2 without tangible effect.
I never did understand how the crew were supposed to cope with breathing a full atmosphere of oxygen anyway, it
Re:Didn't read the article... (Score:2)
The problem that they run into is that the atmospheric contaminant monitor was only rated down to 13.9 PSI... And trust me - you don't want to push engineering limits in an environment like space
Damn... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Damn... (Score:5, Funny)
Not me. I'm just hoping they don't drop a sturgeon on my car.
Re:Damn... (Score:2)
Re:Damn... OSR (Score:3, Informative)
Mir cosmonauts throw the sturgeon from the station in a fit of rage.... Read more here [snpp.com].
insert russian profanities
To paraphrase... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:To paraphrase... (Score:2)
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pressure (Score:5, Funny)
such as the crew maybe?
Re:pressure (Score:5, Funny)
Re:pressure (Score:5, Informative)
Most people would still need some bottled Oxygen to get up to the top of Everest though, at around 1/3 of an atmosphere. When the pressure gets that low, your body has trouble metabolizing fast enough to maintain temperature.
O2 on Everest is sort of a Catch-22 (OT) (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:pressure (Score:5, Informative)
When you get above around 30,000 feet, you start running into funny little things like needing the air/oxygen forced into you with positive pressure, rather than the kind of "on-demand" oxygen setups that are commonly used. If I remember correctly, this is related to pressure; but is not the same issue that you get with pressure higher up, where you're worried about the blood's ability to contain its nitrogen, and thus, about the blood boiling.
Scary stuff.
Whoops (Score:2)
Re:pressure (Score:2)
I think that's only issue when pressure goes lower rapidly. As long as pressure goes low slowly enough, the nitrogen can get out of the blood slowly, and you avoid those potentially lethal nitrogen bubbles in the blood.
It's same thing with diving, professional divers sometimes stay in high pressure for days (either at the bottom of a sea, or resting in a pressure chamber), then when the work is don
Re:pressure (Score:5, Funny)
I was told, second-hand, the story of a NASA contractor who was in a meeting with some NASA engineers. As all geeks should know, hard drives require air pressure to work (floating heads and all that). When the subject of a loss of air pressure on the ISS came up, one of the NASA engineers started talking about how all the experimental data would be lost because the HD's would fail. It wasn't until the contractor said "Uhhh, what about the crew?" that they had even entered folks' minds about being similarly sensitive to a loss of air pressure.
Re:pressure (Score:5, Informative)
The reason is due to thermal buildup. Without gravity you have no coreolis effect, most commonly recognised as the idea that hot air rises. In ziggy hot air does not rise it just gets hot, thus you have to have thermal transfer by contact of some sort, IE air blowing or contact with a heatsink ( water loop ) etc... which is the reason for those huge radiators on the station.
At lower pressure there is less thermal transfer with the air which means greater heat buildup in the electronics could cause a problem or possibly an unrecoverable malfunction.
Genrenally speaking these limits are VERY CAUTIOUS. Much of the equipment has no redundancy and could only be replaced by flying it up from the ground... something very difficult to manage payload scheduling wise even if shuttle were making flights and next to impossible with Soyuz/Progress launches. Thus you don't risk even the possibility of an equipment failure even though much of the equipment would likely operate just fine in near vacume conditions.
To have an idea regarding crew limits consider the fact suit pressure for EVA's is 4.3-5 psia, the new hard suit concept allows for 8.3 ( no pre-breathing ). Either consisting of an environment which could be created in very short order on the station. Of course this requires shifting the concentration of oxygen... close to 100% in the case of the 4.3 I belive, which is dangerous. The 8psia range requires ~32psia which is only a few percentage points above nominal environment on the station.
Thus the pressure drop at that slow of a rate presented a far more immediate danger to the equipment than it did to the crew. The crew was not worried nor were the flight control teams worried about the crew for the simple reason the crew was as yet not in any immidiate danger as it would have taken weeks at the recorded rate of loss to place the crew in danger just had they not undertaken to replace what was lost... they also have plenty of spare oxygen to add and thus it would have taken months for this leak to depleat stores to the point where the crew would have been at risk.
The engineers didn't have the head in the clouds or no concern for the Crew. Crew safety on the station takes precedent over EVERYTHING else.
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http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/coriolis_e
Hot air rising affected by the coriolis effect creates weather. Our teacher used a demonstration with a pot of water and stated the forces at work with the water boiling was the coriolis effect.... DOUGHT !!! Or perhaps I wasn't paying very close attention, actually I rather hope that was the case.
Thanks for the clarification.
Re:pressure (Score:2)
The crew knows how to get into the Soyuz capsule all by themselves.
Re:pressure (Score:2)
For reference, look at the environmental specifications of any hard drive to see what pressures (often expressed in altitude above sea level) can operate under.
right in the nick of time...i guess. (Score:2, Informative)
The station's air pressure had dropped from the normal 14.7 psi to 14.0 psi. NASA have emphasised that the crew's health was not in danger, but some onboard equipment, including an air monitor, is only certified for use above 13.9 psi
it would seem that things were pretty close. but keeping in mind that it was only losing
Re:right in the nick of time...i guess. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:right in the nick of time...i guess. (Score:5, Funny)
Repressurize (Score:2)
No better time? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No better time? (Score:2)
What? I think that people who write articles are only supposed to use words that have meaning. I'm going to make a guess that you don't write professionally, as anybody who had the gall to charge for their writing would not say something like that. "Oh, those are just words..."
Vaguely apropos (Score:4, Funny)
Warning: Furry web comic! (Score:2)
Special thanks to McGyver.... (Score:4, Funny)
The crew said they'd get right on it as soon as those supplies were delivered.
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Generic Sig: End communication.
Re:Special thanks to McGyver.... (Score:2)
Gratuitous Family Guy Reference (Score:3, Funny)
Enclosed are a paper clip, a drinking straw, and a rubber band. Please save my dog.
Peter Griffin
Water Test (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Water Test (Score:5, Funny)
I'm frankly shocked that the reality isn't how it was presented.
Re:Water Test (Score:3, Funny)
What's the going rate to get a Kilogram in orbit?
Re:Water Test (Score:2, Insightful)
Kent Brockman reports on the incident... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Kent Brockman reports on the incident... (Score:2)
Sturgeon (Score:2)
Thomas Crapper's Law (Score:2)
Re:Sturgeon (Score:2)
GTRacer
- SSSSSSSSsSsSsssss...*gasp*
D'oh (Score:2)
Equalizing? (Score:5, Funny)
The real hero? (Score:5, Funny)
CB
If only Harry Potter was there... (Score:2)
Windows? (Score:4, Funny)
So.. someone left a window open?
Re:Windows? (Score:2, Funny)
Not quite, but as someone with some experience in the matter, I can guarantee you that somehow, someway, GM (General Motors) had a hand in this.
Don't believe me? Drive an older GM car thru a carwash, and watch that window sealant leak.
Re:Windows? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Windows? (Score:2)
* That is dumps water on the top of my head while I'm trying to drive.
* Dumps water on my lap so it looks like I peed my pants.
* When the resulting moisture inside the car ends up on the inside of the windshield. Then freezes. Then when I scrape it off it's like it snowed in my car.
Umm...thanks for listening.
Re:Windows? (Score:2)
Re:Windows? (Score:2)
Cracking the hatch ;) (Score:5, Funny)
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - The $1.4 billion U.S. Destiny lab opened for business at the International Space Station Sunday, cracking the hatch on a new era of scientific discovery that one day could lead to human expeditions beyond Earth orbit.
Heh...cracking the hatch....leak...funny.
another link with more details (Score:5, Informative)
Built by Americans, Fixed by Foreigners (Score:3, Interesting)
Michael Foale [nasa.gov]: considers Cambridge, England to be his hometown & came to the U.S. in '83
Alexander Yurievich Kaleri [nasa.gov]: Special Honors: Hero of the Russian Federation
[Insert Soviet Russia Jokes Below]
Who owns space? Does nationality matter? (Score:2)
Many of us have been working in more than one country, and that percentage is sure to increase with better transportation etc. Nationality is less and less important.
E.g: Does it make me 1/39'th french that I've lived and worked a year in France?
My brother worked a year in Hungary and his family lived there too, does this make his kids 1/6'th and 1/3'rd Hungarian?
Another day- (Score:5, Funny)
Other leaks (Score:5, Funny)
The lesson here? (Score:5, Funny)
Could be a software issue... (Score:4, Funny)
Dave Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave What's the problem?
CB
Attention astronauts! (Score:4, Funny)
Another Patch (Score:2, Funny)
14.0 PSI? (Score:5, Informative)
Guesstimating from some info here [cozine.com], Denver, CO is ~12 PSI. A tall mountain in the US is ~10 PSI at the top.
Lousy, cheap NASA equipment! It wouldn't work down here on Earth anyways.
Re:14.0 PSI? (Score:2)
There's a difference between "not rated to work at..." and "won't work at...". Think lawyers and ass-covering...
Putting some thought behind this (Score:5, Informative)
This is solved on satellites with conductive cold/hot plates, but that results in much heavier equipment.
Regarding leakage rates, it's very difficult to estimate leak flow rates. The flow might be proportional to pressure squared, or cubed. If it's in an elastic seal, it may completely re-seal when the pressure drops to a specific level.
Humans can function at elevations of about 5psi (see the other posts about mountain climbers), and survive on a little less. Since O2 is less than 20% of the atmosphere, you can theoretically live on 1psi of pure O2. But secondary effects are killers at that low pressure, such as keeping enough moisture in the lung tissue. When near-pure O2 is used, it is usually at about 3psi or nearly the partial pressure of O2 at sea level.
Re:14.0 PSI? (Score:2)
....not how, but why?
No spare hoses on the station?! (Score:2)
Egads, not even a spare hose. I guess it's a non-critical part but it still seems kinda lame.
It would be common sense that many of the hoses on various equipment would be the same. Then you'd have a bunch of spare hoses to repair all sorts of things. Or maybe I'm not thinking enough like an engineer.
Re:No spare hoses on the station?! (Score:2)
Re:No spare hoses on the station?! (Score:2)
"originally mentioned" (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sure NASA is thanking the slashdot community for being the "original" source of the leak information.
Uh.. (Score:5, Funny)
"The leak was made more worrisome because the main oxygen generator, which has been working only sporadically, failed again last week. Russian flight managers are designing a way to fix it this week with spare parts already on the station."
Shouldn't the OXYGEN generators be...oh I dunno...WORKING most of the time? Failed again last week reminds me of the infamous furnace fighting scene from a Christmas Story.
I can just see a Russian cosmonaut banging on it with a wrench cursing...
At least nasa got the units right... (Score:5, Funny)
Engineer 1: We're leaking
Engineer 2: (thinking in head: hmmm, there's 1,418,550.14 pascals of air) What's the big deal? we have 129,000 years untill the air's all gone. Tell the astronauts to not worry about it.
Engineer 1: Makes sense to me. Let's get coffee.
For those of you unable to receive the audio (Score:2, Funny)
Could have been much worse (Score:2)
Re: How much time to escape . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
Is it true that only spacewalks and cargo transfers occur between these two specific orbitals?
Yeah, a manned-mission to Mars is looking more feasible every day . . .
"HAL . .
Re: How much time to escape . . . (Score:2)
Space is a very, very big place, and the shuttle (like any space vehicle that isn't mostl
Some Equipment... (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah. For example, my lungs are only certified to operate above a certain air pressure.
Re:bet it was made by foreigners (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I would like to think... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I would like to think... (Score:2, Funny)
If you were on the space station, the leak wouldn't have been accidental.
Re:I would like to think... (Score:2)
Hehe that was kinda funny. The mods took it a bit too seriously, though.
Be honset now... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Be honset now... (Score:2)
You mean Karl Rove. There's a K instead of the usual C. [famoustexans.com]
Re:So... It wasn't Russian equipment after all! (Score:3, Insightful)
References?
I recall both sides saying they had no idea where the problem was and that they were looking for it. I don't recall anyone placing any blame ahead of time, except perhaps for some slashdot trolls.
Re:So... It wasn't Russian equipment after all! (Score:2)
Re:So... It wasn't Russian equipment after all! (Score:2)
Re:Would it be feasable.. (Score:2, Funny)