Slashback: Stapler, Interface, Gaming 295
You've got to admit it's getting better all the time. Gentu writes: "In parallel to the KDE 3.1-alpha release today, OSNews published an interesting article discussing a number of User Interface issues found on KDE 3. The article suggests a number of changes, some small, some pretty drastic. Towards the end of the two-part article, the author discusses the 'integration' problem found in today's X11 desktop environments, and how fixing this issue would bring Unix closer to average Joe's desktop."
Yes, you're allowed to have more than one friend. A NuKeFaN writes: "Following the article titled Are you a Friend of GNOME I wanted to point you out that the most used GPL'd software for the Web, PHP-Nuke, also has a similar page/system for their friends. It's a Club (MandrakeClub like) where you can be a member for a little monthly fee and you can get some extra benefits. You can access the Club area to know more about it. This can be, maybe, another example of how to get some money to fund a free software project, the matter is if we, as users, will support those project's developers this way? I think we can."
Wait, the scam was to take just a few pennies from everyone! MrBlue VT writes "In reference to the previous Slashdot article about the red Swingline Staplers, I click on the add to cart button on the Swingline website, and it pops open an ordering window with a 4 staplers added to the shopping cart. Ok, I think it's a little strange, but change the quantity back to 1, and hit continue to checkout. Next thing I know, I'm looking at an order form with all the text boxes filled out with somebody else's personal information. He's from Bellvue, WA apparently (I'm in Virginia). It also has his credit card number and expiration date!
This has to be the worst security I've ever seen in an online shopping site. The company who apparently provides the online shopping service for Swingline appears to be an outfit called SureSource.
I just wanted to let anyone who happened to order from them know about this. Your credit card info could very well be compromised."
Please fasten your belts. hondo77 submitted this follow-up to this article about next-generation aircraft, writing "Boeing says that their blended-wing aircraft will be ready for test flights in 2006. The article also has a picture of a 3% scale model. See, it doesn't look like the B-2 at all."
But thanks anyhow. flonker writes "Smartfilter no longer lists sourceforge.net! Link for those who want to see for themselves."
Great at stealing them, too. MrDingusMcGee writes "After the recent posting about a study suggesting that video games decrease brain activity, I thought it would be interesting to read the results of another study which has shown that video game players score better on a range of attention tasks (mirror here)done by Shawn Green at the University of Rochester Brain and Cognitive Sciences Department, and that this could possibly rate video game players as better drivers. Worth seeing the other side of the argument and having some validation for those hours of gaming."
Staplers (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Staplers (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Staplers (Score:2, Insightful)
which is right next to Redmond, most Microsofties live in Bellvue.
So, I'm just saying its probably justified is all
The Red Swingline Stapler...not at that price! (Score:2)
I'll stay with my burgundy Swingline stapler, thank you very much.
Besides, the damn thing does NOT look like the one in "Office Space." It's just...wrong.
Re:Staplers (Score:5, Informative)
First of all, the Swingline website was down this morning. And no, it was not Slashdotted -- it was Wall Street Journaled. (Really, you people amaze me. Any international news website gets more hits in an hour than Slashdot gets in a day. Consequently, the potential for a real news site to DOS a website is incredible. Slashdot is not a big deal to anyone who isn't a Linux-loser FUDdite.) Swingline's bandwidth was hosed and they put up a "we are fixing a technical problem" message for a few hours.
When the site finally came back up, tens of thousands of Office Space fans rushed in, wanting they're very own 'tapler.
Unfortunately, SureSource -- the unprofessional cockgobblers whom Swingline unfortunately chose as their e-commerice parter -- are apparently a bunch of amateurs. Either they were running a blatantly broken web application, or they never did any load testing. Either way, their shopping cart got confused and lost track of which cookies belonged to which sessions. Consequently, when User A tried to add a red Swingline to his shopping cart, he may have been adding it to User B's shopping cart. So, when User B went to check out, he might have seen several more staplers in his shopping cart than he expected to see. User B would then try to go back and delete the extra staplers, but in fact was deleting staplers from User C's cart. And because SureSource stores the user's already-entered personal data in the session, User C might see User B's name, address, phone number, and email address prepopulating the address form when he goes to check out.
That, my friends, is a problem. But the really big fucking problem is that SureSource were storing already-entered credit-card information somewhere in the session, too. There's a chance that anyone who tried to check out saw anyone else's credit card data.
I know this because I, very happy to finally be ordering the stapler after several hours of Swingline's downtime, attempted to fix my shopping cart several times before coming to the conclusion that SureSource are a bunch of fucktards. I was not very happy when, several hours later, I received several warning emails from some kind souls who happened to see my contact information and credit card info. I also received several phone calls.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who emailed or phoned any person whose personal data they saw to warn them. For some of you, those were long distance phone calls. We are very, very grateful.
Swingline heard about the fiasco pretty quick, and pulled the SureSource shopping cart link from their website. They've added a SureSource telephone number that you can call to order instead. Ha! In order for their telephone operators to fuck up as badly as they're "web developers" did, they would have to answer the phone by saying, "Hello, this is SureSource, would you like several people's credit card and billing information free of charge?"
The bottom line is that SureSource are unprofessional scum. I have never seen such maliciously broken software on the Web in years, and I hope that they get their dumb asses shut down by the Better Business Bureau. Hey, guys! If you're a bunch of lightweights, don't take contracts from companies with real volume!
Swingline, I hope, will drop SureSource by the end of the week. You, reader, can expedite that. Please, don't call SureSource and order a 'tapler. Instead, contact Swingline and tell them that you will not purchase a stapler until they find a different e-commerce partner. As it is, Swingline is a party to what is one of the most potentially damaging credit card problems I've seen on the Web. I'm not bullshitting you. The Wall Street Journal has a large userbase, and that link propagated to sites like Slashdot well before the morning was over. Think about how many people have seen that page. Think about how many have ordered. And think about the fact that for every person kindhearted enough to warn his fellow man to watch his credit card statement, there is probably another person evil enough to cut'n'paste the data into a text file. SureSource gave those people my name, billing address, email address, phone number, credit card number, credit card type, and expiration date. If that isn't enough to pull of some heinous identity theft, I don't know what is.
And if you don't boycott Swingline for others' sake, do it for your own sake. If SureSource is unprofessional enough to use untested software on an e-commerce site -- and believe me, that's the kind of shit that QA folks find pretty quick -- then who's to say that their internal credit card databases aren't just as easily compromised?
Even Milton, my friends, didn't need his 'tapler that bad.
Thank you for your time.
Re:Staplers (Score:3, Interesting)
But you do bring up many good points
Travis
Swingline's site (Score:2, Informative)
Staplers Now Off-Line (Score:5, Informative)
To place an order for the Rio Red Stapler (SKU#: S7074740), Please call SureSource at: 1-800-544-3243.
Re:Staplers Now Off-Line (Score:2, Informative)
But other products [swingline.com] still have the order button.
Weird.
And they're slashdotted, too! Poor Swingline.
Re:Staplers Now Off-Line (Score:5, Informative)
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viewing source is dangerous to your mental health (Score:5, Funny)
Have some respect, now, and don't be a pirate for the mighty security firm might come get you. Tee-heee! Oh wait, I'm not a news organization and I don't have their permision to download, or did I because they sent it to me when I requested without asking who I was? Did I violate their silly text telling me that the pictures are " for exclusive use by members of the news media. These items may not be downloaded or reproduced by other individuals or organizations without the express permission of SureSource."? Or did they realy mean that I should, "Please click on the desired image to enlarge & download." Don't forget to check out the purple warehouse here, a DEEEEEEEEEEEP DEVILISH LINK. [suresource.com] Please click to enlarge! Please click to Download! Wheeee! Wizards of Web! Untitled Document Creators? What awsome d000ds they are! Function MM_JumpMenu seems to come from Dreamweaver [k12.ut.us], but I doubt that firm wants to take credit. Note, when making simple static pages use a text editor or something simple like Bluefish. When you want to make complicated Flash stuff, please don't. When you use a big giant flash making editor to design simple static pages, sigh, I give up. It was funny at first but the more I look into it the dumber it gets. I'm embarased for them.
fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:5, Funny)
1. Take 5 sheets of black construction paper.
2. Scotch tape them into a single 5 sheet long sheet.
3. Place start of "page" into fax machine.
4. Dial the "recipient".
5. Watch sheet start going into the fax machine with glee.
6. Once out the other side, Scotch Tape beginning of "sheet" to end of sheet forming a giant black loop.
7. Giggle like a teenage girl and show your co-workers. Trust me, the showing co-workers step is needed for the full satisfaction. Choose co-workers carefully.
8. You Are Done! Not only that, but the recipient is now out of ink or toner.
Not that I have ever done this...but I know someone who has done this to someone who kept sending them spam faxes.
I hold no responsibility for your actions yada yada...
-Pete
BTW - comment posting is screwed.
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless your "victim" has something more sophisticated than a fax machine, like say a PC with a fax modem or a fax server. In that case you're just tying up a phone line.
And, why bother with the construction paper? Just a FAX modem, an all-black TIFF file and some know-how and you can do the same job in a much more reliable way (the tape seams tend to fray and split after 15 or so passses). And, it'll be more impressive to your cow-orkers.
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:2)
in a much more reliable way (the tape seams tend to fray and split after 15 or so passses). And, it'll be more impressive to your cow-orkers.
Nah, I think you lose some of the sheer glee of watching that black loop go around and around and around and around...
It's a truly euphoric experience!
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:2)
You're not looking at both sides of the issue. (groan)
Construction paper (Score:2)
I usually just run a few pages out of the photocopier with the lid open.
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:2)
How's this? (never tried it yet)
In States that charge for pop-can / soda-can deposits, we have automated machines that you stick the cans in for your refund. You stick the can in the machine, it gets crushed, and when you're done a refund receipt gets printed out.
My idea
Cut out the UPC symbol from a refundable bottle/can
Get a long stick and a roll of scotch tape
Tape the UPC on the stick
"Probe" the machine with the stick.
Not sure if it would work.
There might be a mechanism that determines if a can has been crushed.
I hold no responsibility for machines you start probing.
Re:fax-something-unique-to-8889771577 ? (Score:2)
As found on Google: (Score:4, Informative)
The google search [google.com]
The top google link [goldmark.org]
Jeffrey's notes on spammers that he has toll-free numbers listed for. [goldmark.org]
You're right, I still don't see the connection. Maybe timothy is trying for a fax slashdotting.
Shopping Cart (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Shopping Cart (Score:2)
this was caused by an overloaded server, with poor coding that allowed for race conditions.
no more, no less.
Re:Shopping Cart (Score:2)
so my reply is simply: bullshit.
Re:Shopping Cart (Score:2)
Somebody did clear the credit card info. too bad.
Re:Shopping Cart (Score:2)
Actually, I think these kinds of errors are usually caused by seeing the quoted rates of the contractor you wanted to get to create your ecommerce site and saying, "Can't we get anyone cheaper?" :)
Re:Shopping Cart (Score:2)
They might use the same proxy server if they are both AOL users. From what I've heard, AOL has about two dozen proxy servers between their users and the untamed internet. Their user proxy server assignments are dynamic and can even change during a shopping-cart session. This unexpected shifting of IP addresses caused problems for a web app people at my work were developing..
Games and Driving (Score:5, Funny)
Except for those who learn everything from GTA. I can see them at the DMV...
Let's see.. When traffic backs up you should... A. Be patient B. Honk Horn C. Make a U-Turn D. Drive on the sidewalk then exit your vehicle and try to destroy the vehicles that held you up.
Re:Games and Driving (Score:2)
The correct repsonse if secret answer E - use the 'Tanks from Heaven' cheat code to have a M1 Abrams precision dropped nearby. Use said tank to teach the cars blocking your way a quick physics lesson. Cover the chapters on projectile motion, elastic collisions, momentum, and rapid combustion thoroughly.
Re:Games and Driving (Score:2)
The correct repsonse if secret answer E - use the 'Tanks from Heaven' cheat code to have a M1 Abrams precision dropped nearby.
*pfft* Pansy. Work your way up to six stars and get it the honest way.
On a completely unrelated topic, has anyone else's user page stopped displaying their exact karma? (Mine just reads "Excellent" as of this posting.) Also, why does " no longer produce a double-quote? It always did before. Someone's messing with Slashcode and not telling us (or me, anyway).
Re:Games and Driving (Score:2)
Ugh... I've been playing that game incessantly, and now when I'm driving I have "GTA3 moments," like seeing a cop driving towards me and getting the urge to bop his car hard enough to get him to pursue me, just for the thrill of the chase.
Oh, and then popping a cap in his ass and taking his cruiser to go on vigilante missions.
~Philly
Re:Games and Driving (Score:2, Funny)
I: "Good."
I: "Ok, now please take a right here"
I: "Excellent"
I: "Please accellerate hard towards that delivery truck with the fish symbol on the side, attempt to sideswipe it, and preferably block it's escape"
I: "Very nice"
I: "Now, please exit the car, and beat the be-gesus out of the driver of the truck"
I: "Oh dear"
I: "It appears you've been Wasted Jim"
Re:Games and Driving (Score:2)
Except for those who learn everything from GTA. I can see them at the DMV...
Let's see.. When traffic backs up you should... A. Be patient B. Honk Horn C. Make a U-Turn D. Drive on the sidewalk then exit your vehicle and try to destroy the vehicles that held you up.
E. Pull over and pick up the nearest hooker, bring her into the car (which actually increases hit points) and then beat her to get your money back. [cybergamingnet.com]
No purchase link at SwingLine (Score:3, Funny)
They may be aware of the problem. I'd be scared sh*tless if I were in charge of their ecommerce right now. The whole site may have just been a slashdot credit card swap lovefest.
-Pete
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
but, but
(Oh my god I'm bored
Didnt take them long (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Didnt take them long (Score:2)
-- End of SARCASM --
Re:Didnt take them long (Score:2)
They should patent this zero-click shopping scheme.
RE: Your Order (Score:4, Funny)
RE: Your Order
Dear MrBlue,
We have shipped [1] x Swingline Stapler to you.
Along with you order, we have automatically opted you into our "Loyalty Program": each order placed online will be processed with a random user's credit card.
Thankyou for your ordering online with Swingline.
Re: Your Order (Score:3, Funny)
"Is this good for the company?"
Re: Your Order (Score:2)
Didn't they get that memo about the TPS reports? They should have known better!
Always hated the "About" menu item (Score:5, Insightful)
I ran into this problem a lot when I first started using both GNOME and KDE. I had no idea what half the programs did and there was no clue within the program itself. After a while it became too much of a drag to go find the docs just to read a one paragraph summary of what a given program was. I would hope that in the future developers would start putting a small description of their program within the About menu item.
Re: Always hated the "About" menu item (Score:2)
Personally, I've never understood why exiting a program is a "File" operation, either.
But they already do... (Score:4, Informative)
I would hope that in the future developers would start putting a small description of their program within the About menu item.
Ummm, have you actually used KDE or are you simply pontificating pointlessly?
Open Konqueror. Go to Help->About Konqueror. In the about box that pops up, on the default 'About' tab, it says: 'Web browser, file manager, ...' which sums up pretty well what Konq does.
Similarly, in the same place in KMail: 'The KDE Email client'.
Or in Kate: 'Kate - KDE Advanced Text Editor'.
Or in KSirc: 'KDE Irc Client'.
Or in Konsole: 'X terminal for use with KDE.'
Pretty much every KDE program has exactly this. You get the about dialog for free when you use the KDE framework, and all the developer has to do is fill in a few blanks.
Not to mention, of course, that the app gets a description in the K Menu as well - for instance, KMail's entry looks like:
KMail (Mail Client)
Perhaps GNOME doesn't do these things, I can't tell you (I haven't had GNOME 1.4 installed for about a year and GNOME 2.0 was installed for a total of about an hour whilst I checked it out and decided I didn't like it) but as far as KDE is concerned, you're dead wrong.
Re:But they already do... (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, something as brief as "KDE Advanced Text Editor" may be enough to describe a text editor but it's still rather skimpy on the details. As another poster pointed out [slashdot.org], it would help to have some more detail so that the end user could make a better decision about which program to use.
An example of a better description for Kate:
Re:Always hated the "About" menu item (Score:2)
Take editors. My system has three apps under the Editor item on my Kmenu: Kate, KEdit, and KWrite. Here's what how they describe themselves:
"KWrite - Leightweight Kate"
"Kate - KDE Advanced Text Editor"
and the winner for least information:
KEdit "A KDE Text Editor"
A few sentences describing what makes each one special or unique would be helpful. I don't want to have to scrub thru all the menu's trying to figure out what differs. Oh well.
WinZip? Winamp? (Score:2)
Do you ever see Windows applications that are called 'W-whatever'?
No, but there's plenty of Windows software that has a name containing 'Win'.
For example:
WinZip
Winamp
WinAce
WinRAR
WinDVD
CDRWin
WinDoctor
WinDAC
WinPopUp
WinRoute
WinMX
CygWin
These are just a few off the top of my head, there's plenty more. The Mac has (or had, at least) its fair share too, e.g. MacPaint, MacDraw, MacWrite, MacAMP/Macast.
You see, it's just a way of associating the program with the environment where it runs. The fact that KDE app developers love to associate their apps with KDE via the name suggests to me that they generally think very highly of KDE. Call it 'platform patriotism', if you will. End-users like it because it sounds like the app is specifically designed for the environment and follows the same style guidelines and conventions. Never underestimate the power of a name.
Why do you think WinZip became the dominant zip archiver on Windows? I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first, it doesn't come from the people who invented the zip format, it isn't free like some Windows zip archivers (nasty nagware) and I don't think it has the best user interface either (although that's arguable).
In short, it's just good marketing for an app, and that matters as much to free software authors as it does to commercial developers.
Re:WinZip? Winamp? (Score:2)
Do your civic duty! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Do your civic duty! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Do your civic duty! (Score:4, Funny)
Cults/Occult
The cult of Bill is strong in this one my master.
Criminal Skills
Microsoft has stolen more of my time than you will ever believe.
Drugs
Many things from there seem to be designed with the aid of drugs
Entertainment
Ha! IE crashed again and took out my shell, FUNNY!!!!
Extreme
Prices, yes.
Gambling
20-1 Blue Screen of death on next restart...
Hate Speech
Read the opinions on Sun, or Linux, or MacOS, or Java, or...
Humor
"We only do things to help our customers, we like innovating, not squelching competition".. Hilarious
Investing
I Invest too much time in MS crap.
Job Search
Can i find a job that doesn't require Exchange and Outlook on the desktop?
MP3
After the new MS patch erases all of yours, you'll be looking for more.
Mature
I'll grow old before this works
Nude
YIKES! A bunch of large gutted psty faced, large gutted engineers, I'd rather look at goatse.cx
Politics/Religion
Billy has bought a bunch of politicians, and it the cult of MS certainly is a religion.
Self Help
They sure ain't helping ya.
Sports
Monitor chucking? Or shotgun blasts (keeping with the Office Space [slashdot.org] theme)
Travel
"Calgon, take me away!!!!
No trolls were harmed in the making of this message.
Newton's 3rd Law of Studies (Score:5, Funny)
Quick Browser in KDE 3 (Score:2)
Re:Quick Browser in KDE 3 (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Quick Browser in KDE 3 (Score:2)
No, no, you've got it all wrong. It says "Browse /." It's an efficiency improvement, so the KDE user can always get to his or her favourite web site within a couple of clicks.
Re:Quick Browser in KDE 3 (Score:2)
driving games (Score:3, Funny)
Mushrooms make me drive a lot faster, just like in Mario Kart.
PHP-Nuke Club (Score:3, Insightful)
Although the club is a good idea, I prefer the donation method... or maybe Mr. Burzi could create some PHP-Nuke merchandise such as mugs, t-shirts or caps and sell them on the site. It's nice to have material things to cherish as mementos for the support you gave.
Re:PHP-Nuke Club (Score:2)
Re:PHP-Nuke Club (Score:2, Interesting)
A quick search on Google for php portal returns PHP-Nuke as the top site. [google.com]
It also ranks quite high on the result list for GPL Web Portal Software [google.com] on google.
Suprisingly PHP-Nuke is also listed as the #1 site for Google's result for the search of God [google.com] :)
Re:PHP-Nuke Club (Score:2)
The third link is just plain strange! How did it get up there?
Driving... (Score:2, Funny)
While Your're generous (Score:4, Funny)
Re:While Your're generous (Score:2)
Re:While Your're generous (Score:2)
Re:While Your're generous (Score:2, Funny)
Smartfilter categories (Score:2, Funny)
I half expected to see Tom's Hardware listed as a porn site.
Plane problems (Score:3, Insightful)
2) Cargo - the constant cross-section of cylindrical planes means you can have standard size cargo pallets that fit anywhere in the plane. This plane has a much less regular shape. Perhaps they have sufficient volume they can afford to waste some.
3) Engine maintenance. The engines on this plane are very high and hard to access from the ground. This is already the case for the number 2 engines of DC-10, MD-11 and L1011's, so there is prior experience in handling this, but it will add to maintenence cost.
4) Manufacturing cost. In a constant cross-section fusilage, many panels, ribs etc. can be used many times over.
5) Difficulty in adjusting size. You can stretch or (rarely) shrink the length of a cylindrical fusilage fairly easily.
Of course, you can accept quite a few negatives in return for a 30% gain in economy.
Finally, there is the risk of the unexpected - revolutionary designs frequently stumble over unexpected problems that take a while to iron out - e.g. Comet (metal fatigue in presurized airframe), high tail planes like the DC 9 ('deep stall'), A320 (human/computer interface problems).
Re:Plane problems (Score:2)
Thanks a ALOT!!! (Score:2)
PHPNuke and GPL Issues (Score:4, Informative)
Why not support PostNuke [postnuke.com], a fork of PHPNuke that has a much better attitude toward open source development and security.
Swingline, Credit Cards, security (Score:2, Informative)
"The company who apparently provides the online shopping service for Swingline appears to be an outfit called SureSource."
Whereas the site clearly states:
" * Please note that you will be purchasing from SureSource, a distributor of Swingline products.
To place an order for the Rio Red Stapler (SKU#: S7074740), Please call SureSource at: 1-800-544-3243."
SureSource is simply a distributor, and as such, Swingline would have about as much control over their e-commerce site as I do over the weather.
Brain Activity (Score:2)
But if the brain is very active, it only
shows that the person is thinking very
hard.
In other words the easier it is for you
to complete a task, the less active is
your brain.
KDE 3: I gather KWin still sux? (Score:2)
For example: In 2.2.2, if you middleklick on the scrollbar, QT jumps to the position of the mousecursor. Good thing that. Missing in QT3. Windows doesn't have it, so we don't need it.
Bad idea! (Please correct me if I'm wrong and this issue got fixed!!)
Another KWin issue: The Desktop Pager. In Fluxbox - by default - if I turn the mouseweel over the Desktop it switches. Good thing that. In KDE I have to use the Kicker and AFAIK there are VERY little options for improving mutiple Desktop management.
Bottom line: KDEs big downfall is KWin, which is something like a lame Windows rippof when it comes to workspace management. THAT has to change.
Imagine KWin with E's funktionality. That would be just right.
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:2)
Yeah, but you're not Robert Downey Jr.
I think I saw this as someone's sig:
"If video games affected real life, we'd all be going around popping pills and listening to repetetive music."
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:4, Insightful)
So I'm somebody that's more likely to go commit a crime, right? Wrong. GTA 3 is a hell of a lot of fun to play, but let me tell you something: That game taught me that the last thing I want to do is play games with cops.
The thought of ramming a cop car and seeing how far he and his buddies will chase me scares the shit out of me. Why? Because even in a game where my car can put up with a good deal more abuse than my real car can, I can't get away from the cops. The only real chance I have of getting away involves luck. That's it, luck. They will get me.
If anything, I think GTA 3 will reduce hoodlumism. Why? Because the physics in the game are a little different than they are in real life. For example: You can mow down a stoplight and still keep tooling along at 90 mph. In real life, striking a stoplight would end the chase rather suddenly.
Things happen much faster on GTA than they would in real life. Cars acellerate faster, and you can keep the chase going much longer than you possibly could in real life. And geez, there's no way you're going to acquire grenades to lob at people. GTA 3 really spoils reality for people. It's a lot more fun to destroy stuff in GTA 3 than it could possibly be in real life.
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:3, Insightful)
"I always assumed that people who played games realized this intrinsically, and could easily seperate fantasy from reality. Based on your post however, maybe I'm wrong. You seem to be applying information gleaned from a game to real-life situations. Please tell me I'm wrong."
Okay: You're wrong. The whole purpose to explaining my thoughts on it like I did was so the parent poster would realize that I know what I'm talking about. Any images of me fantasizing about ramming cop cars or sniping people's heads off you can just flush. As a matter of fact, you have indirectly touched onto why I am against censorship of video games.
I have been exposed to nearly every kind of video gaming experience one can have. I've played Mortal Kombat and all the GTAs and so on, so I know what's really involved there. Based on the reactions of people that claim that video game violence causes violent behaviour, I should be a hoodlum.
But I'm not. I'm 24 years old. I've already started my career. I've worked at the same job for 5 years. I have no criminal record. I've only had 1 speeding ticket in my life, and that was shortly after I got my car heh. Ive never had a parking ticket. Never done drugs. Never punched anybody. I don't even raise my voice. I'm a pretty well rounded person. Hopefuly you can see why it is extremely difficult for me to imagine that exposing children to violent video games results in harmful behaviour changes.
I told my view of GTA 3 so the parent poster would understand that the more realistic video games are, the more likely a child would realize the consequences of what he or she does. I've heard arguments like "When a child plays a game like Quake, he/she learns it's okay and fun to run around and shoot people." In my experience, instead the child learns "Guns kill people."
I think these anti-video-game types are looking at them in entirely the wrong way. In fact, I'm offended that they think kids are stupider than they really are. If you treat a child like they are incapable of making good decions, you're emotionally damaging the kid. I think saying "You're not allowed to play Mortal Kombat because it's too violent" is akin to saying "You're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong. So I'm going to shelter you from anything that can give you ideas."
I appreciate you asking me before drawing a conclusion about me, though. It seems to be a popular thing here on Slashdot for somebody to listen to what you say and then draw the most absurd, extreme conclusion they can come up with. It's sorta like this: "I love to eat hamburgers.... I can't believe you like to murder innocent animals!"
I guess it's my own fault for not clarifying that I knew before playing the game that ramming cops was wrong. I kinda figured that'd be a default assumption that people'd make, heh. I didn't phrase it very well I suppose. Hopefully you'll understand why I didn't really worry too much about that.
Cheers
P.S. Again, I appreciate you asking before passing judgement. You have no idea how many times I've had people send me insulting messages because they came up with really bizzarre interpretations of my comments. You're a better human being than most I've run across here.
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:2)
Well there you go. You're obviously a serial killer. You fit the profile perfectly. "Gee, he was always such a nice, quiet guy. Didn't bother anybody."
Just kidding of course
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:2)
I appreciate your attempt to make me look like an idiot. It allowed me to write the one line summary for those people who, like you just did, try to draw exteme conclusions about people. Funny thing is, a little applied logic would have negated your comment. "If he thought it was fun to ram cop cars before GTA3, why isn't he in jail now?" *eyeroll*
The obvious answer (Score:2, Insightful)
So don't allow your kids to play these kinds of games. Duh. The answer to mature subject matter is attentive parenting, not government curbs on basic rights.
This point is so basic... I don't even know why I'm letting you jerk my chain. You can't be serious. I should just mod "-1 troll" and move on.
Re:The obvious answer (Score:2, Insightful)
I honestly don't mean to troll, but am merely providing an alternative opinion that I know won't wash very well here. I never understood why people who ostensibly promote free speech actually just mean free speech that agrees with their thoughts.
Re:The obvious answer (Score:2, Insightful)
That said, I believe that this problem still can be solved by attentive parenting. Even if a store sells a violent game to a teenager, it seems unlikely that teenager would be able to keep their parents from ever discovering the game.
If parents don't approve of certain games, they can merely randomly observe what their child is playing. They can easily do this by placing the gaming system in a common area, such as a living room or study. If a parent isn't willing to do this to enforce their rules and views, then the problem lies with the parents, not with the store or the video game manufacturer.
Government is not meant to be an end-all and be-all for the "sanitation" of our lives. This especially holds true in America, where we have the fundamental right to make decisions for ourselves and our children with a minimum of governmental interference. If we want freedom of speech for ourselves, we also have to advocate freedom of speech for those who disagree with us and our views. It's that simple.
Yeah, no murders ever before video games. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah, no murders ever before video games. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Yeah, no murders ever before video games. (Score:2)
OK, maybe there is a connection, but you don't cure smallpox by forcing people to get plastic surgery to hide the vesicles.
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:5, Funny)
We need to stop letting our kids play these unrealistic, mind warping games. None of that escapism stuff for us, no sirree.
What we need are REALISTIC games! Games that teach kids a thing or two. Games like these:
"Looking for a Parking Space" Where you drive endlessly around and around the parking lot looking for a space only to have the stores close before you can get there.
Or how about "Traffic Jam"? Sit behind the wheel, inching forward at a snail's pace while watching your engine temperature rise. Will you make it home before the engine overheats? Wheel gripping inaction!
Or you could always play "Road Construction Ahead". Try to pick the correct lane to be in only to have it suddenly come to a halt once you get into it. Grit your teeth as idiots try to squeese in ahead of you. It's frustration for the whole family!
If those sound too exciting for you there's always,
"Balancing Your Checkbook" Spend endless hours trying to read scrawled figures and cryptic bank statements in an attempt to see if there's still enough money left at the end of the month for pizza, or will it be ramen again tonight?
Now those are some happening games, man!
Excuse me, I gotta get coding. I'm gonna be RICH!
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:5, Informative)
I hope you never have children.
Arrested. (Score:3, Informative)
So I agree with you, games don't cause social ills. If a parent doesn't want their 13 old playing GTA3, and I wouldn't, then don't let them play. Parents are legally responsible for their 13 year olds.
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:2)
Isn't that the whole point of "phantasizing"? It's really hard to get away with murdering your boss because he went that extra mile in being a jerk, but there's no crime (yet) in sitting down in front of a game of GTA3 or whatever and pretending that you're ripping him limb-from-limb. And if killing a few virtual people is enough to make someone forget about their boss and feel better, isn't that better than them taking out their anger in real life?
Re:Grand Theft Auto III (Score:2)
I mean, would it be better if such a boss was fired?
When you play a game to expell a little of this sort of energy, the result is that you are then calmed, and thereby made the perfect victim, in real life, for that idiot boss to keep abusing! That's my point.
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Re:The picking of nits (Score:2, Insightful)
It is redundant, dangerous for a newcomer and overly confusing. A good UI design, would not need more than 1 button/option. Plus, it bloats things up.
Even More Shawn Green Info (Score:2, Funny)
Since may he has hit the most home runs in the majors. (More then Sosa too... ooooohh aaaaah)
(Yes, much trolling but c'mon... It's shawn Green.)
Re:KDE UI article on OSNews (Score:2)
Re:KDE UI article on OSNews (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:cant buy the stapler now (Score:2)
Re:Ummmm..... (Score:2)
How do you still have your license? Seriously - three accidents and you've had your license for less than two years? And what police officer wouldn't have had your license revoked after the second ticket, at only 17? Even after hitting a school bus??
Either you're lying, your parents are wealthy, or your local law enforcement is corrupt/incompetent. But if I was as bad a driver as you, I wouldn't tell anyone about it and I'd spend most of my free time bui