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Former Microsoft Exec Ray Ozzie Named To HP Board 52

Posted by samzenpus
from the welcome-aboard dept.
theodp writes "GeekWire reports that HP has named former Microsoft chief software architect Ray Ozzie to its Board of Directors. Ozzie, known for his early work on collaboration technologies including Lotus Notes, has been working on his own startup since leaving Microsoft in 2010. Ozzie recently sounded off on the NSA spygate affair, suggesting it's time to revisit the deal we made with the 9/11-privacy-devil."
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Former Microsoft Exec Ray Ozzie Named To HP Board

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  • it was nice knowing you HP, but your about to suffer the same fate as Nokia.

    don't you people ever learn?
    • by ColdWetDog (752185) on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:22AM (#44285663) Homepage

      I really didn''t think HP could drop out any further but to add the guy responsible for Lotus Notes of all things?

      I think it''s time to unfreeze David Packard and William Hewitt.

    • Re:There goes HP (Score:5, Insightful)

      by durdur (252098) on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:22AM (#44285677)

      Well, unlike Nokia they are in more than one line of business. But they have been executing poorly for some years and have a history of doing dumb acquisitions, culminating in the disastrous Autonomy deal in 2011. Ray Ozzie can't by himself fix any of that. But arguably he can't be worse than the slate of directors who got them to where they are.

      • by c (8461)

        But arguably he can't be worse than the slate of directors who got them to where they are.

        True, unless he convinces them to pull an Elop.

      • by gl4ss (559668)

        well he could convince hp to do only windows rt tablets.
        that would be almost as fucked up as elop.

        nokia is still in some other businesses than windows phones.. like networks(they just bought siemens out of nsn) and s40 phones.. which is still a lot less than what they used to be, but all the other businesses than phones were quite failboats, from tv's to settop boxes...

      • Re:There goes HP (Score:5, Insightful)

        by steelfood (895457) on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:54AM (#44286085)

        This is true. HP "went" ten, fifteen years ago since they hired Carly Fiorina as CEO. You can argue that they imploded from the dot-com bust, but I think their downfall began much, much earlier. They squandered the Compaq acquisition and the Palm acquisition. They pretty much put a bunch of holes in their foot and are hobbling along right now into obscurity.

        At this point, bringing in Steve Ballmer could do no more harm than has already been done.

    • by poetmatt (793785)

      MS makes false "positive move" towards investing in a company, company goes downhill. news at 11. It's a shame borders fell to that scheme, and amusing that facebook is on a downhill so fast. Usually it takes a while to go through a slow downhill while going out of business.

      • There's that little Apple exception you'll have to note.....

        • by poetmatt (793785)

          What part of the apple exception is that? Their sales hit a giant bubble and since then have gone on a slow but perpetual downhill. Growth is not strong, anymore. It's almost hilarious when people think a gigantic cash hoard is a sign of success, when all they did was got lucky with marketing.

          • I won't disagree that Apple seems to be blowing it.

            But you cannot ignore their marketcap, and it's statistically relevant as an exception. I'm not a fanboi of almost anything. Still, incorrect empirical citations need to be challenged with the truth: Microsoft invested in Apple, but so far, no Black Widow effect, unlike many "investments" before. Like it or not, they are bigger than you, unless you're Exxon.

              • From your link: Here Apple is still well ahead, with a market cap of $378 billion versus Googleâ(TM)s $286 billion. You can subtract cash, look at debt, do may things. But Apple in this measure is larger than any tech company whether you like it, or not. That doesn't mean smarter or any other characteristic. For a corporation, however, this is a very powerful measure.

                • by poetmatt (793785)

                  okay, so you're only looking at "apple's total $$" and not "how much are they actually worth". Those are different. This isn't "market manipulation" or magic to show that Apple's value is (and has been) trending downwards and not upwards.

                  Having free cash just typically highlights how much tax avoidance is going on + company decision and has no true bearing on how well a company is actually doing. Which is why lots of free cash makes a company attractive for a buyout.

                  • What they are worth is exactly market cap. That's the number.

                    Free cash is stupid, IMHO, but we'll put that aside for a moment and look at the statement, "attractive for a buyout".

                    Reread what you just said, look at the numbers, and tell me you're serious. No one, as in zero people on this earth, can buy-out Apple. Not gonna happen. Although an otherwise reasonable platitude, there is a place where you cannot leverage sufficiently to buy out an organization this large, no matter who you are on this planet. Bu

                    • by poetmatt (793785)

                      you're thinking way, way too hard. Why does any one individual need to buy them out? All it takes is a hedge fund of some large players, who combined can surpass apple's valuation. Bam, shell company, someone else owns them. Can you think of individuals and/or entities that could easily put down for that? Any company that thinks they're ever not subject to the risk of buyout is simply waiting for it to happen, 100% of the time. You should always be vigilant against buyout, otherwise someone will buy your d

                    • The list of possibilities is infinite. The reality that I've seen over the past 35yrs or so of being in the techbiz says: you're full of beans.

                      A smaller org, maybe. But there is a point where all the kings horses can't do it because they'd fight among themselves over such a wad of cash.

                      No, they're not quite totally immune. But they're immune: enough. They're a cash cow, have a cash wad, and have a tremendous rep in the marketplace. Nothing is forever, but frankly, you're dreaming. Wishful thinking doesn't m

    • HP's been through this before.

      Recall when HP had Executive HP Rick Belluzzo -- who's main accomplishment was killing HPUX on PA-RISC in favor of NT on Itanium -- even before NT-on-Itanium existed.

      The same guy then moved on to SGI (where he killed IRIX and MIPS at SGI in favor of NT on Itanium).

      Then he got rewared with a President + COO job at Microsoft - even though his main accomplishments to date had been to kill 2 of the leading 64-bit software platforms, and 2 of the leading 64-bit hardware pla

  • by bogaboga (793279) on Monday July 15, 2013 @11:15AM (#44285581)

    While I wish him every success at his new post, question is, how many secrets will he take along with him to HP?

    • While I wish him every success at his new post, question is, how many secrets will he take along with him to HP?

      I think it is appropriate that the creator of one of the most fucked up pieces of software (Lotus Notes) will be working for one of the most fucked up companies.

  • Anyone who has had to suffer through that abomination that is called Lotus Notes would probably be quite willing to gather a mob, light the torches, arm themselves with pitchforks, and chase the poor sod who created this travesty to the closest windmill and set it alight. That HP would hire this guy knowing that he was part of the team that developed this "product" and thought it good enough to release is completely beyond me. Then again HP is shipping servers that have bad drives, bad power supplies, and
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Notes was a great product in its day, before Netscape came along and the world took notice of the WWW and Internet for the first time. The replicating document database with views model is something that was rock solid 20 years ago, and I doubt has been matched to this day. That was all Ray Ozzie - he did it with support for multiple transport stacks, TCP/IP but also Novell IPX/SPX, Microsoft NetBEUI, and I think what DEC had as well.

      Notes was always "just OK" for email because the document databases were

    • by rudy_wayne (414635) on Monday July 15, 2013 @12:10PM (#44286293)

      Anyone who has had to suffer through that abomination that is called Lotus Notes would probably be quite willing to gather a mob, light the torches, arm themselves with pitchforks, and chase the poor sod who created this travesty to the closest windmill and set it alight.

      Frustrated from being forced to use Notes for 3 years... definitely.

      3 years? HA!!! I've been using Lotus Notes since 1999. Hopefully I never meet Ray Ozzie because I don't know if I would be able to restrain myself from doing something terrible.

      Overall, however, this recent appointment is meaningless. HP is adding 3 additional members to their board of directors, i.e., 3 more people getting paid $200k a year to attend a couple of meetings and do nothing.

      The former CEO of McDonald's
      The former CEO of Liberty Media (distributor of TV programming such as QVC and the Disney Channel)
      And the creator of one of the shittiest pieces of software ever.

      That should really be a tremendous help for a company whose main products are PCs, Servers and Printers.

    • by snadrus (930168) on Monday July 15, 2013 @01:00PM (#44286957) Homepage Journal

      As someone who repaired Lotus Notes for 5 years & actually looked at Ray's code comments, I can say it's quite the failure vs today's replacements. But in the '80s when Ray made it, it:
      - was one of the few cross-platform, supported mail servers.
      - worked with more languages than any program: Unicode was based on its LMBCS format.
      - openly-documented its data formats.
      - has many extension APIs and ways including a BASIC clone (the common language of the time).
      - could send signed messages between companies & be spam-free.
      - has a 'big data' storage design (replicate-able document store) used today (but built poorly).
      - was many servers in 1 install (back when that was the goal).
      - still has a 15x faster mail router than Outlook (that one's new).

      So it's lousy now because it was ahead of its time then (and couldn't change when the world went another direction). We could be so lucky to get a new product with as many ideas ahead of their time as came from Lotus Notes in the '80s.

  • ... any biting the heads off bats.

    Sorry. Wrong Ozzy. Never mind.

  • Something about the deaf leading the blind jumped into my head reading this.

In seeking the unattainable, simplicity only gets in the way. -- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982

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