Music Based on Fibonacci Sequence and Stock Market 164
Gary Franczyk writes "A band named Emerald Suspension has made an album named Playing the Market that is, as they put it: "structured based on patterns created by the stock market, economic indicators, algorithms". They have some songs based off of the Fibonacci sequence, the misery and consumer confidence indices, and the national debt. "
Some people (Score:2, Insightful)
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So they would be... (Score:3, Insightful)
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My ears hurt! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:My ears hurt! (Score:2)
Don't kid yourself. With something that big, there's a lot of low frequency harmonics you can tap into for a good bass-beat. =)
11:15, restate my assumptions (Score:3, Interesting)
2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge.
Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature
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Re:11:15, restate my assumptions (Score:1)
It was a "DOh!" moment if ever there was one, and I realised the second I clicked submit.
Re:11:15, restate my assumptions (Score:1)
pi
se7en
thirteen
24
1984
Cowboyneal is the one
Re:11:15, restate my assumptions (Score:2)
Nice idea, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe Philip Glass could make a symphony out of this stuff, but these guys unfortunately can't (from the samples). It isn't musical enough to not be background noise.
Experimental: yes, music: no.
Interesting idea, though. I think this could make a great backing noise to a Godspeed You Black Emperor! song or something.
Define Musical (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
I think the only person who successfully defined music to only include what he liked was Heinrich Schenker.
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
True, and I like how Schoenberg simultaneously gave him due respect and put him in his place in his Theory of Harmony. I wish I could pull a quote, but I don't have it handy.
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
If a human being uses the car engine/horn/whatever as an INSTRUMENT, then it IS music.
I have someone here who made a musical instrument out of a sponge (via midi) for his thesis. Go figure.
However.
This sort of rubbish came up in many previous slashdot articles I cannot even bother looking up. (One was automata data, another was gamma rays from the universe or some such droll nonsense) The story pattern is:
"Random" data that has "chaot
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
The problem is that the answer to "what is music" is not easily defined because it is entirely subjective. Most people, especially here, try to find that dictionary one liner. That is not going to cover it.
Personally, I think that the definition of music rests entirely on "honest intent". In other words, I honestly attempting to "create music" with this object I am honestly calling an instrument.
What is "create music"? It does not matter as lo
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
I think music is a form of communication. Hence my definition.
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
Samuel Johnson's definition doesn't work; what is pleasing to the ear is proven relative.
At one point someone offered me the definition of 'anything notated using a staff and notes'. This excludes all non-western music, a lot of jazz, and
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
Add to this, that few patterns produce pleasant sensations in more than a just few oddball people. In other words, most sound is noise, and the rest can for the most part be considered music, although most is really bad music for most people.
Someone said in another comment, that the intent creates music. These co
Re:Nice idea, but... (Score:2)
I recommend you look at my other comment in this story here [slashdot.org].
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Song lyrics (Score:4, Funny)
Or Pi? (Score:3, Informative)
Is it anything like the pi song? Threeeee point one four one five nine two six five three five eight nine seven nine three... [ytmnd.com]
Re:Or Pi? (Score:1)
Re:Song lyrics (Score:1)
Yeah, but "Does anyone really care what time it is?"
My Guess is you haven't heard.. (Score:2)
The only lyrics in the song are the Fibbonacci Sequence (go figure).
Real time data? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Real time data? (Score:2, Informative)
Ya jackass.
patterns of plants cd (Score:2, Interesting)
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Good Music (Score:5, Interesting)
there's even been discoveries of the whole album Lateralus having some type of relationship with the sequence
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Fibonacci Sequence by BT (Score:4, Interesting)
One, One, Two, Three, Five, Eight, Thirteen, Twenty-One... Mathematics is the language of nature
Re:Fibonacci Sequence by BT (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Fibonacci Sequence by BT (Score:2)
It's also on Rare and Remixed from BT himself, Track 3, Disk 2.
Tool has some fibonaaci stuff (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm [bofe.org]
While I have no idea if this is valid or not (the band has been quiet), I do listen to the album in that order. It's actually a better album, I believe, in that sequence.
Re:Tool has some fibonaaci stuff (Score:5, Informative)
then (1)
white are (2)
all I see (3)
in my infancy (5)
red and yellow then came to be (8)
reaching out to me (5)
makes me see (3)
there is (2)
The syllables = fibonnaci
"Overthinking" is right (Score:1)
Already done (Score:3, Funny)
And? (Score:2)
Bela Bartok? (Score:1)
Re:Bela Bartok? (Score:2, Informative)
Bartok wasn't the first composer to conciously use the Finonacci series...I believe Debussy made extensive use of it, and it's found all the ti
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I don't like this (Score:4, Insightful)
I want television shows with scripts and plots.
I want music that has been carefully composed and made to sound good.
Re:I don't like this (Score:5, Insightful)
Every composer starts within some system, and these can of varying degrees of confinement. Most pop music uses the system of I, IV, and V chords and the form of verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus. Mozart used the system know as tonality to compose, and he used many classical forms. Schoenberg used the system of serialism, one that he invented. Serialism is of course a more restrictive system than tonality, but in both you make many many many choices.
These guys just invented their own system, and unless they write about their compositional process we can't know how restrictive their system is or what aesthetic choices they made.
It's certainly understandable to not like this music, however you must at least respect it. I'm guessing these guys worked a lot harder on this album than most pop stars work on their stuff. If you've been listening to classical and early romantic music or top 40 all your life this sounds really foreign; that can be disturbing, but don't dismiss them because you don't like it.
Just out of curiosity, what music do you like? Don't just say 'rock' or 'classical' (both oft-abused terms), be specific.
Re:I don't like this (Score:2)
My point is that this music isn't necessarily totally random. Even if their algorithm gave them all of their pitches in order, they still need to choose things like rhythm, register, dynamics, orchestration, and even if they want to use pitches in a melody or a sonority. Or perhaps they could do something interesting like cut it into segments and use them contrapuntally.
Perhaps the real lesson here is: listen before you judge.
Come to think of it, reality tel
Yet another Douglas Adams inspiration (Score:5, Interesting)
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DAMMIT! (Score:1)
Music of the Galaxies (Score:5, Interesting)
Music based on failing hard drives (Score:3, Informative)
Fibonacci and Stocks (Score:3, Interesting)
My dad is pretty analytical and does not adopt stuff blindly. From the trades he has shown me he has been quite successful using this method. One benefit is that at least you have clear entry/exit points, so you tend not to hold onto losers.
nothing new.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:nothing new.... (Score:2)
Listened to some of the samples (Score:1)
NIgh on 50 Posts... (Score:1)
This is not news. Bach did it back in the day. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:This is not news. Bach did it back in the day. (Score:1)
i'd also have better things to do on a sunday morning - like practice, or try to get rid of the groupies i picked up at last night's gig.
some more experimental music based on golden mean (Score:1)
http://www.bremsstrahlung-recordings.org/transrad
Enter Pan-Man (Score:2, Informative)
It was an action flick.
Pan-Man kicked backwards
attackers
sent by the sexy matadortress
from her Spanish fortress.
[Of course, the film was torturous!]
Lloyd Kaufman's masterpiece
achieving wide release.
Logos in the marquees
said 'Pac-Man', with the C's
rotated ninety degrees.
Troma
had a premiere at the MOMA.
Poloma
wore her signature aroma.
Yo-Yo Ma
said 'Nihoma!'
and had Pan's Evergreen diploma
shown to Williams and Sonoma!
Douglas Adams the Clairvoyant (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Douglas Adams the Clairvoyant (Score:1)
To name a few:
1) The Guide - bluetooth/wifi enabled PDA with Wikipedia embedded.
2) Smart Elevators [slashdot.org].
3) Nutrimat - Starbucks (almost, but not quite, entirely unlike coffee).
Now if only his "prediction" for B-Ark comes true... If it does though, I'd reccomend keeping the Lysol handy...
Re:Douglas Adams the Clairvoyant (Score:2)
Gently, are you listening? That knight has it in for you.
all the best,
drew
Song of pi (Score:2)
Band? Songs? (Score:2, Insightful)
Why do we not read, rather, that "an ensemble has created compositions" based on...(etc.)
Varèse [wikipedia.org], Stockhausen [wikipedia.org], Cage [wikipedia.org] and Penderecki [wikipedia.org] were creating their works long before pop musicians ever tried "going serious," after all.
fibo ratio price patterns (Score:1)
So what would patterns in human stupidity .... (Score:2)
In the days long gone (Score:2)
Prior Art? (Score:2)
Mod Point Concerto (Score:1)
The Cloud Harp and the Music of the Spheres (Score:3, Interesting)
Does this mean... (Score:3, Informative)
PS You can get similar effects on a Linux box by catting various files to /dev/audio; /dev/hd0 or /dev/random for instance. Here's [everything2.com] a good reference. I actually tried piping the mouse to audio once and got something like the results described; I was on the verge of recording some "mouseophone" music when I think I got bored and went on to something else.
Fibonacci, Algorithmic, Stochastic, Aleatoric Comp (Score:3, Informative)
Fibonacci relations abound in art and music. This is nothing new. A text that discusses this in some length with regards to the famous Hungarian composer Bela Bartok is Erno Lendvai's Bela Bartok: An Analysis of His Music. Lendvai makes a very compelling case even though Bartok never explicitly stated on record his use of such devices. It should be noted that Bartok was a pantheist so that might explain some of his desire to use patterns in nature.
Algorithmic composition has been around for quite some time but really took off with the advent of "computer music". Different motivations exist for algorithmic composition but they are interesting. Unfortunately, these motivations are often more interesting than the resultant music IMO. A good environment to quickly do algorithmic composition in is the Common Lisp/Common Music environment as a front end to Csound.
Stochastic composition was invented by Iannis Xenakis. He used probabilistic densitiesm modeled after physical phenomena such as diffusion of gases to compose some of his works. His rather difficult to digest text Formalized Music discusses his methods.
John Cage pioneered aleatoric composition in which he used chance to make compositional choices. It was largely a reaction to the fact that so-called integral serialism, a highly deterministic system of total control, yielded works that were so difficult for most people to comprehend that they essentially sounded random.
The band discussed here really isn't doing anything new. If they do it extremely well though, then more power to them but I leave that judgement up to the individual listener.
I made some music out of towers of hanoi once (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't quite recall the details but I think it involved mapping frequencies to the towers and durations to the height or something like this.
The hardest part of it was to get any decent sound out of the PC speakers; but I solved this elegantly by not playing a single sound, but a mix of sounds, which was again based on the Towers of Hanoi algo.
Book: Music and Mathematics (Score:2)
For all those that are seriously interested in the mathematical implications of music / musical implications of mathematics, may I advise the book Music and Mathematics [oup.com] From Pythagoras to Fractals?
I'm sorry it is so ridiculously expensive, but it is a really nice collection of essays of all the different roles mathematics has played in music, from the ancient Greeks to modern composition. Since it is a bundle, not every essay is a masterpiece, but most are really good.
\. readers will love the story on D [wikipedia.org]
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Ah, but it said it was based on the stock market, so it could be at least in part random.
Is the stock market a random distribution or not? Well it depends on the frequency of observation - deciding if its random based on minute to minute observations is a lot different to year-to-year observations. It is generally accepted the stock market is not ~(0,1) but it is extremely difficult to show it is not random, if you can show that please let me
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That is, if I display a graph of results but neglect to indicate the scale, it could apply to any scale from seconds to days to years.
Its like looking at a coastline, from 100miles up it has rough egds and curly bits just like if your looking from 1 metre up on the beach.
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My main point somewhat oversimply expressed was that over the long term stock markets have trended upwards, which is different from daily observations, i
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Processes such as brownian motion and stock market data have a more weak form of self-similarity. These phenomena occupy contiguous vo
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Is the western musical scale created from its numerical relationships, or vice-versa?
Were all the numberical relationships built into the pyramids, or were many of them discovered by losers with nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon (note: I am typing here too)?
Do I write my english text so that the letter e occurs most frequently, or is that a result often found after the fact?
You dec
Re:what the ? (Score:2)
Its tentatively titled "Rks)*;s j1Fno-QQ lspw%3-sl;0".
Bach before my time? (Score:2)
all the best,
drew
Re:Unplayed by Human Hands from the JPL (Score:2)
Re:Nothing new, academics have been doing this (Score:1)
Entirely right, except it's not limited to academics. Thousands of us doing this have never been part of academia. I've been including mathematically-based pieces in my work for more than 30 years.
As far as money goes, Tom Hamilton did his hot price of gold piece in 2003 ("London Fix," on Muse Eek 118). And Charles Dodge's gorgeous "Earth's Magnetic Field" was a top-selling classical LP ca. 1969, on Nonesuch.
Dennis
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