Google Unveils Flash Ads

Gailin writes "Google has announced and given some examples of their new Flash based ads. They seem to vary from average size to full screen-width Flash advertisements, with some interactive abilities. 'Gadget ads can incorporate real-time data feeds, images, video and much more in a single creative unit and can be developed using Flash, HTML or a combination of both. Designed to act more like content than a typical ad, they run on the Google(TM) content network, competing alongside text, image and video ads for placement. They support both cost-per-click and cost-per-impression pricing models, and offer a variety of contextual, site, geographic and demographic targeting options to ensure the ads reach relevant users with precision and scale.'"

Target Market

a variety of contextual, site, geographic and demographic targeting options to ensure the ads reach relevant users with precision and scale.

And all that's apparently missing is ensuring the surfer has Flash installed.

Personally I detest Flash ads and for this reason keep renaming the NPSWF32.dll file as NPSWF32.dllfsdfsd (while I don't have an instance of Firefox open, lest it track the bastid) when I have no intention of viewing Flash content. Too many pages are so whizzy with Flash I position the browser so the Flash bit is offscreen or simply don't visit the sites at all. I don't see many company/commercial sites since they apparently all now believe their best way to reach the customer is with some bloated object 500K or bigger (i'm still on dial-up) and all whizzy. So all this means is I'll see some more puzzle pieces, unless they detect no-flash and throw animated (ugh) gifs at me.

I'll just have to wrassle with The Morality of Web Advertisement Blocking [slashdot.org] for a while.

Lucky for Google, I'm the exception and shouldn't make much of a dent in their stock value.

Re:Target Market

Check out Noscript and/or FlashBlock for Firefox. I use both and wouldn't surf without them. It's a lot easier than renaming the DLL.

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Agreed. Noscript is pretty much an essential part of my browser, more so than Adblock even.

As for this move...if Google's actually not annoying in their ads (punch the monkey) then this might get more clicks. However it's also gonna use more bandwidth (sor

Google: Do evil if it pays?

Google: Do no evil.
is now changed to, "We want to be like the U.S. government."
Google: Do evil if it pays more.

In my opinion, this is the beginning of the end for Google, as the founders lose touch with reality and fly around in their huge corporate jets. If you want responsibility, don't depend on a billionaire to do the work.

Eventually, there will be a new search engine with no Flash ads, and everyone will use that. Eventually, people will say, "Google? What's that?"

The new profit-making Mozilla will probably try to get the U.S. government to ban NoScript [noscript.net] and AdBlock Plus [adblockplus.org] and FlashBlock [mozilla.org].

The problem with ads is not that I don't like advertising. The problem with ads is that they are nearly always stupid in some way. Some of the ads IBM ran on Slashdot were more than stupid, they were embarassing.

Mostly, ads are written by people with absolutely NO interest in the product they are selling. I'm guessing that more than 50% of ads include at least some dishonesty. It is the ad makers that have given advertising a bad name.

Larry Page and Sergey Brin, your usefulness to the world is coming to an end. Please find someone to carry on your original vision, and retire.

Re:Google: Do evil if it pays?

I think that murdering a human being is evil. I don't think that an easily blockable flash ad is evil. If you do, you must be living a pretty nice life.

"Eventually, there will be a new search engine with no Flash ads, and everyone will use that. Eventually, people will say, "Google? What's that?""
Do you think Google is a SEARCH ENGINE company?

"The new profit-making Mozilla will probably try to get the U.S. government to ban NoScript and AdBlock Plus and FlashBlock."
You're simply insane.

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Flash ads killed my dog.

It's not my definition.

I'm just using the Google founder's definition of evil. They used that insight to make their search engine by far the most popular.

I can't remember the name of the search engine I used before Google, but it was terrible with ad abuse.

Why both?

I installed Noscript on my new computer, and it seems to do everything FlashBlock did for me on my old computer. That is, replace any flash-animation with a button to start it.

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> And all that's apparently missing is ensuring the surfer has Flash installed.

For that matter, that's assuming that *.google-analytics.com isn't blocked just as heavily as Doubleclick.

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...(i'm still on dial-up)...

Please hand in your slashdot membership, and exit the building.

Ads are not content.

Designed to act more like content than a typical ad,

This sure reads like an admission that ads aren't content (at least "typical ads").

My feeling on ads is nicely summed up by banksy [banksy.co.uk]:

Any advertisement in public space that give you no choice
whether you see it or not is yours. It belongs to you.
It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use.
Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

(emphasis mine)

Interactive?

Does this mean I get to keep "Punching the Monkey?" I just can't find enough ways to win free ringtones.

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Ah yes, punching the monkey. Who would have thought that an ad which not only advocates animal abuse but whose name would be a good euphemism for self abuse would become so popular.

Flashblock is great

Get Flashblock here [mozilla.org]

Re:Flashblock is great

Adblock plus [adblockplus.org] also lets you block any flash objects.

And SafariPlus

For those using Safari, SafariPlus [mac.com] is a brilliant way to block Flash (and control unwanted cookies). It shows the rectangle for the Flash content, but you must click inside it to actually start up that Flash dropping. So you can use Flash when you want to,

Re:Flashblock is great

google [google.com] is a great search engine, i've found all kinds of stuff there.

Re:Flashblock is great

This is the kind of bleeding edge information that keeps me coming back to Slashdot, day after day.

I've tried Google on your recommendation, and it's awesome. It works great on my browser, even though the browser won't support frames until the next version. And Google's search results are so much better than Webcrawler's, I think I might switch permanently.

Konqueror...

...will load plugins on demand anyway (if you select that option). It can also block plugins for certain domains.

hmm

didn't certain someone say "do no evil"?

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To get all of this relevant content to the user, how far away can the spyware be. It's just to be benefit us the user after all.

Re:hmm

Google made its mark by good search results WITH a CLEAN Interface Design.

Google has forgotten its roots. Sure it might look good in the short term..a new product for more revenue.. But Google will lose in the long term as others offer a clean alternative to Google.

People want uncluttered.

Re:hmm

I didn't see anything mentioning that Google was going to use these ads on their search results page. Obviously they could, but you have to remember that most of the revenue generated by Google comes from ads served up on the pages of others. If a webmaster has the decency to use text ads instead of flash ads, it's still an option. This just allows Google to break into a market where they had no product to offer previously. Though it should be mentioned that some webmasters will want to switch to flash ads offered by Google now that they are available. End result, Google can keep their uncluttered search results, Webmasters that want flash ads can have them like they always could (but now get them with the benefit of Google's system) and the ones that want text ads can keep the status quo.

Bandwidth & The Beginning of the End

Google has announced and given some examples of their new Flash based ads. They seem to vary from average size to full screen-width Flash advertisements, with some interactive abilities. 'Gadget ads can incorporate real-time data feeds, images, video and much more in a single creative unit and can be developed using Flash, HTML or a combination of both. Designed to act more like content than a typical ad, they run on the Google(TM) content network, competing alongside text, image and video ads for placement.

Oh my god those are beautiful. Just beautiful. Whole new products I never wanted to hear anything about done in a new artsy kind of way. Exclusive interviews with bands that I've never heard of or cared about or allowed commercial radio to shove down my throat brought right to my computer screen ... without even asking! And the band is trying to sell me a hybrid car!

So tell me, when I'm trying to use MySpace to reply to a distant friend & my browser slows to a crawl because there's five flash video advertisements of a lonely girl on a webcam waiting to talk to me--that's the kind of experience you want to proliferate through to every site using Google Ads?

How will this affect people on slow connections like out in the boonies operating on a 56k phone line connection? I'm kind of afraid those users are just going to be squished & that Google will leave it to the sites themselves to figure that out while the sites themselves will expect Google to take care of it.

Wait, did you hear that? I believe that was the sound of every single router and switch crying out in anguish.

Ads that are designed to appeal to my eye & take up obnoxious amounts of bandwidth? It must be ... THE FUTURE!

In all seriousness, this is all very bad news to me. A bloated delivery system (by definition it must be since it provides 'content rich' functionality) being forced to a large percent of the internet in the name of delivery unsolicited advertisement. And it's all legal and--get this--is unveiled like it's a new great feature.

The simple concept of character based content delivery system is dead.

Re:Bandwidth & The Beginning of the End

Geez, you'd think the world was coming to an end....

The simple answer is that a lot of people are going to end up installing browser extensions that do the "click to run flash object" thing. And if they can't figure that out, I'm having a hard time feeling such pity if they are "squished".

Re:Bandwidth & The Beginning of the End

How will this affect people on slow connections like out in the boonies operating on a 56k phone line connection?

http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66136 [google.com]

Maximum of 50k per ad, at least until the user starts interacting with it. Some other things in there that, at the least, count as Don't Be Really Evil.

I haven't decided how I feel about this yet, but at least this quantifies things somewhat.

Well fuck

Google's /clearly/ given up on "Don't Be Evil".

Adblock+ & NoScript for the win.

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You misinterpreted - it is actually:

Don't! Be Evil.

(captcha is 'unhappy')

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google's whole purpose is to push ads out to eyeballs.

that, in itself, is pretty much evil.

now, for your 'reward' of being a paid eyeball, we'll serve you some content. or let you think you're getting content.

(anyone notice the google websearch - the thin

X86-64

now all i need is a version of flash that works consistantly on 64 bit hardware.

then again, maybe not

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now all i need is a version of flash that works consistantly on 64 bit hardware.

nspluginwrapper, if you're talking about AMD64. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 [ubuntuforums.org]

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Who gives a shit if it's 64 bit, it /works/. With a 64-bit browser, yet.

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Hmm.... Flash on OSX works consistently, even on 64bit hardware... same with Flash on WinXP 64bit...

Flash on 64bit hardware running Linux or FreeBSD would be something else entirely.

Don't Be Evil!

... or in this case, annoying.

One thing I've always liked about AdWords is that it's always relevant (well, the vast majority of the time), and it's non-obtrusive. Now I get to stare a million punch-the-monkey ads, or if Google is halfway competent in kn

Delete your cookies

As far as I know, all information Google stores is associated with a cookie on your machine. So deleting the relevant cookie(s) /should/ cause a new one to be generated which has no association with the old profile Google has stored.

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They are quickly losing relevancy, though. Now they're laced with "Website [xyz] sucks? Try [abc]!" even though [abc] has nothing to do with and is in no way related to [xyz] plus the flurry of completely lame eBay and Trader ads, like the somewhat-famous

How are these different than any other site's ads?

These are the same busy, annoying ads that other sites have plastered all over...putting them next to a paragraph where the ad's designers justify their use of "artistic" flashing/blinking colors makes them no better than the aforementioned "Punch the monk

hmm..that's cool + it's fighting back @ MS

That's good (ok, if you find it bad, use your flashblock/content blocker) because the widgets (aka Google Gadgets) are interactive, and they add some 'colours' to pages and make them cooler. Those are like the widgets one uses in wordpress for e.g, just in

Do no evil?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this goes against Google's unofficial "Do no evil" mission statement.

Thank god for Adblock...

Open adblock, new filter, add *. gmodules.com....

...and blocked.

Google, you probably have, sorry, had, one of the only set of ad servers I never blocked. Until now.

Sorry, but anything that moves without my propmpting it is a distraction and will be blocked.

And to kill them all...

I make good use of the FlashSwitch application. FlashSwitch is a utility to instantly turn MacromediaFlash playback on and off.

http://www.flashswitch.com// [flashswitch.com]

Sites heavily dependent on flash are faster with it off, and of course flash only sites will not wor

Thank you, Google

Thank you for creating flash ads-- because I was having a hard time filtering out the embedded text stuff with Adblock.

A large, clear, well-defined target is always appreciated.

Hey, look, Google is evil!

C'mon, I want to see you all trip over yourselves to apologize for Google. Because I'm sure that somehow, this is okay. There has to be some small technicality that redeems this company because the halo effect is not something that just goes away.

Anyway, life is good with Adblock and Filterset-G. They can use full-screen Flash ads for all I care.

Yes! Oh God YES!

How often did I wake up at night, my pillow soaked in bitter tears, cursing google for not offering flash ads. Finally, we shall be rid of the boring text ads we've been shackled with for so long, finally, we will experience web 3.0, an infinite land of beautiful colored, animated flash ads that shall bring us happiness and hope for a new bolder, brighter, blinkier future. On behalf of slashdotters everywhere, I want to thank you google! Thank you! Let the flash goodness begin!

Google flash cookie?

It would be interesting to see if they start storing a "flash cookie" (not really a cookie) to track your movements on the web. More information on the flash cookie here [wordpress.com]. Sorry to link my own blog. Text here if you don't want to click:

Yesterday I found out something quite interesting while reading a thread at LinuxQuestions.org [linuxquestions.org]. Summary: the flash browser plugin lets flash applications store information persistently on your hard drive. Sorry if this is common knowledge, but I didnt know it and Im quite shocked. That information can (may or may not) be used as browser cookies, as the thread shows. These days many people take their cookies seriously, maybe disabling them or deleting them from time to time or adjusting the browser cookie settings so it considers every cookie a session cookie that should be deleted when the browser is closed. Now, you need to be aware of a new battle front. Under Linux (and probably other Unix systems), these pieces of information are stored under $HOME/.macromedia/. Run find ~/.macromedia -print to get an overview.

I remember one of the reasons people started to care about cookies in the first place was that sites like doubleclick (recently bought by Google) would serve ads for thousands of websites on the net, and those ads would store a cookie in your hard drive identifying you, so they could in theory track what you visited on the net and build a profile. Today the problem would still exist because sometimes ads are served in flash format.

You can, however, configure the flash plugin so it doesnt let anybody store anything in your hard drive. It must be noted that to do so you must visit macromedia.com [macromedia.com] and adjust the plugin settings from a flash application that is available on their site. Moreover, if you completely disable data storage, you are warned that some sites may stop working. Amazing. So this problem is hard to avoid. My personal recommendation is to use a browser plugin like the typical FlashBlock for Firefox or the Load plugins on demand setting under Konqueror, so every flash application is blocked unless you specify otherwise. And, you may want to delete the $HOME/.macromedia/ directory from time to time, or at least part of its contents (settings are also stored in that directory). Its also worth mentioning that the settings and data are cross-browser, obviously. They are stored by the flash plugins no matter what browser youre running the plugin from.

Its a shame so many websites require flash for basic browsing, as well as the lack of a flash plugin for many platforms. The plugin could also have an option to delete any hard drive data when closing it, similar to the option to treat all cookies as session cookies that many browsers feature.

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persistent data in flash is only available to the domain that stored it. In other words, if a flash app that you downloaded from www.yousuck.com saves data, it cannot be read by a flash app you download from www.noseriouslyyousuck.com. So the truth is, fla

This could be the first and last straw

Google's served me very well over the years and I've preferred it because of the non-intrusive ads (that can be blocked with AdBlock and CustomizeGoogle). If, for some reason, I cannot block or opt-out of these Flash ads, then that will mark my permanent departure from Google.

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my permanent departure from Google.

To where may I ask?

Not as bad as it looks

I just read over the guidelines that an above poster linked ( http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66136 [google.com] ), and I don't think this will be as bad as everyone is saying...

First off, it looks like these will be ads on other peoples' sites, not on your search results. It can be used in addition to that "AdWords" thing, or "AdSense", whichever one it is... You decide to advertise on YOUR site, and you get banners from Google, the same way you would get embedded keyword links.

In addition, they're making some nice, strict rules. Here are some of their restrictions:

* No more than 50k in size unless the user interacts with it (Then it can load more)
* No more than 15 seconds of animation
* No popups or javascript alerts
* No cookie usage (Not even Flash's version of local storage)
* Must clearly show the company/product being advertised, not just some random crap
* No sound or fancy cursors unless the user interacts with it

(Hopefully that entails clicking on it, and not just accidentally moving your cursor over it on the way to the link you want)

I would hope they're enforcing these rules by requiring the source file instead of just the compiled SWF, or at least have some kind of checks for stuff like this... But I don't see how this is any worse than the banners we have now. Granted, I'd prefer less banners and more text ads, but if the market has determined that animated banners are necessary, then at least Google is keeping a close eye on theirs.

Re:Not as bad as it looks

"Half bad" is not the same as "not bad". Stop pretending it is.

And what on earth makes you think this isn't going to get worse in future? This change is itself worse than previous when flash wasn't used. Despite what you claim.

Google, like most large scale marketers, is just boiling the frog. They are going slower than many but they're still doing it.

This is not particularly ethical behavior, whatever marketers might claim.

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Advertising pays for nothing. "Advertising supported" just means you're paying twice over, once in time to watch/avoid the ad and twice in the increased price of the product to pay for the ad.