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Warezed SoundForge Files In Windows Media Player

Posted by timothy on Fri Nov 12, 2004 07:43 PM
from the let-the-bsa-sort-it-out dept.
An anonymous reader writes "German PC-Welt magazine reports that Microsoft used an illegal copy of SoundForge 4.5 (Google translation) for editing Wave files shipped with Windows Media Player. You can check that yourself by opening any file in the [Windows location] \Help\Tours\WindowsMediaPlayer\Audio\Wav\ folder in notepad or other editors of your choice and looking at the last line. There you will find a reference to SoundForge 4.5 and also a user called 'Deepz0ne' who happens to be one of the founders of an audio software cracking group called Radium."
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  • Lessons to learn (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12 2004, @07:46PM (#10803898)
    "Do as we say, not as we do."
    • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Funny)

      by Squareball (523165) on Friday November 12 2004, @07:48PM (#10803925)
      With all the BILLION$ of dollars M$ has they can't even pony up the money for Sound Forge? Good god. If I was still running a pirated copy of windows I'd feel very vindicated.. but now I run a mac so..
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      • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Justus (18814) on Friday November 12 2004, @07:50PM (#10803950)
        Yeah, nice justification! They did something wrong so that means I can do it too!
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        • Re:Lessons to learn by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday November 12 2004, @07:59PM
        • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:4, Insightful)

          by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) on Friday November 12 2004, @09:05PM (#10804464)
          (Last Journal: Wednesday August 03 2005, @09:23AM)
          Nope, they did something wrong means that they can't tell me not to do it.
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          • Re:Lessons to learn by the_mad_poster (Score:1) Friday November 12 2004, @09:15PM
            • Re:Lessons to learn by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @09:26PM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by the_mad_poster (Score:3) Friday November 12 2004, @10:02PM
              • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Insightful)

                by NanoGator (522640) on Friday November 12 2004, @11:30PM (#10805095)
                (http://www.ferion.net/ | Last Journal: Monday May 06 2002, @02:16AM)
                "Yeah, I will. It's called fucking hypocrisy."

                Wouldn't a hypocrite be the best person to get advice from? I mean, I'd pay more attention to a smoker telling me not to smoke than a non-smoker.
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              • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Insightful)

                by Dashing Leech (688077) on Friday November 12 2004, @10:28PM (#10804855)
                Fascinating theory you have there.

                I think you miss his point. Yes, pirating Windows is wrong and illegal, even if Microsoft uses pirated software. That's because "hypocricy" doesn't have legal standing. But it does have standing in the realm of public opinion. Nobody would particularly cry for MS if they claim that they're loosing money to piracy. (Not that anyone would cry for MS now, we just cry because of MS.) It's a credibility thing. There's a difference between doing something that's wrong and feeling bad about it.

                Personally, I hope it makes the "powers that be" realize that piracy by private corporations for profit is more harmful than piracy for personal use at home.

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              • Re:Lessons to learn by ThatsLoseNotLoose (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @11:08PM
              • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:4, Insightful)

                by Snaller (147050) on Friday November 12 2004, @11:28PM (#10805090)
                (Last Journal: Tuesday June 26, @08:41AM)
                Yes, pirating Windows is wrong and illegal,

                Well its certainly illegal - wrong is debatable.

                That's because "hypocricy" doesn't have legal standing

                It doesn't have a spelling standing either ;)
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              • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Funny)

                by Gentlewhisper (759800) on Friday November 12 2004, @11:43PM (#10805151)
                (http://www.notfud.com/)
                In addition, what you fail to realize is that Microsoft still has every right to tell you what you are and are not allowed to do with their software. This right is not magically forfeited because of any illicit behavior on their part. Though specific rights in specific circumstances may warrant legal removal of certain rights to certain things they own - such as the application in question in this example - there is certainly no sweeping removal that would justify your illicit behavior. That's why remedies exist for this sort of behavior - to punish people. Part of that punishment does not involve removing the rights they retain on their property.

                I beg to defer! It's Radium's software, not theirs!

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              • No it's not by argoff (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @11:58PM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by falconed (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:44AM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by joepress (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:46AM
              • It is wrong by vlad_petric (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:57AM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by flechette_indigo (Score:3) Saturday November 13 2004, @01:08AM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by mrchaotica (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @01:10AM
              • Re:It is wrong by Snaller (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @01:14AM
              • Re:Lessons to learn by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @02:26AM
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              • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Insightful)

                by rzbx (236929) <slashdot@r[ ].org ['zbx' in gap]> on Saturday November 13 2004, @03:09AM (#10805733)
                (http://rzbx.org/)
                You still fail to see the real point, the one that causes people to hate companies like Microsoft and even politics. It isn't about one mistake, but the image the company/person puts out and what really goes on. It is about the agenda behind the person/company and the actions taken over time. Nothing wrong with second chance, but why give criminals enough room to make another more costly one. You can now argue to me the image of Microsoft you have, but that simply doesn't stick to the facts. Hypocrisy is a big problem. Not just because it happens, but because we tolerate it. Imagine any person you have trust in, now imagine that person now lying to you on a frequent basis. Would you then later trust this person with your life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The DEA doesn't tolerate personal drug use, but we tolerate criminal behavior in our corporations and government? Now I don't mean that all people do, but that this is what you do not see, and so you are one of the tolerating ones. You wouldn't care to defend the rights of another individual, but somehow have all the words to defend a corporation of which you really no little about.
                You then went on the attack, claiming all the beautiful rights that corporations throw around in the court room. Your the one failing to realize something. It is that people are rebelling based on moral reasons as much as they are on financial ones. It is no accident that Microsoft has such large sums of money. This is NOT success we should be proud of. It means the economy is inefficient, noncompetitive, and has the ability to create various problems such as social ones. You may not understand this, but some do. I could go on. Instead I will say one last thing, consider the possibility your wrong about what others have convinced you is right. Just because it is on paper, does not make it right. We should follow the law, but understand that we need to fight laws as often as the corporations do to create more innovative ones.
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              • Re:Lessons to learn by iriles (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @04:29AM
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              • Bad example by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @04:42AM
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              • Re:It is wrong (Score:5, Insightful)

                by Haeleth (414428) <haeleth@@@haeleth...net> on Saturday November 13 2004, @06:50AM (#10806131)
                (http://www.haeleth.net/)
                Does "thou shalt not steal" ring any bell :) ?

                Yes, but so does "of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession" (Lev. 25:45). Yup, you have a biblical right to enslave tourists' children. Or, in other words - not everything the Old Testament says is suitable as a handbook of modern morality.

                More to the point, blanket statements like "thou shalt not steal" are only meaningful if you define "steal". Let's not have the whole "is copyright infringement theft" flamewar again, please - just please acknowledge that even among people who do consider copyright infringement to be theft, most people would at least consider the possibility that purchasing one copy of Windows and installing it on two computers is not exactly in the same (im)moral league as bank robbery.
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        • Re:Lessons to learn by NanoGator (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @11:25PM
          • Re:Lessons to learn by anthony_philipp (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:10AM
            • Re:Lessons to learn (Score:5, Insightful)

              by Raffaello (230287) on Saturday November 13 2004, @01:19AM (#10805470)
              "The law an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
              Mohandas Gandhi

              The implication is that everyone has committed some offense against some other person in his or her lifetime. If the only form of justice available were retribution, then the entire population of the world would be savaged. Imagine the torments you would have to undergo if every single wrong you have ever done in your life had to be repaid in kind.

              I believe another famous religious leader had something similar to say about the idea of justice as retribution:

              He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. John, 8:7.

              Justice as retribution is only ever advocated by hypocrites, because all of us have committed offenses against others.
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        • Re:Lessons to learn by Sfing_ter (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:16AM
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      • The real lesson (Score:5, Insightful)

        by zakezuke (229119) on Friday November 12 2004, @08:23PM (#10804217)
        With all the BILLION$ of dollars M$ has they can't even pony up the money for Sound Forge?

        Have you tried getting management to buy the software required for a project? At times it's damn near impossible. You have a deadline and your request is moving at the speed of bureaucracy. Finally you say *fuck it* and get the damn software. This becomes a vicious circle when management asks, "Oh you didn't need us to buy this software before why do you need it now? Just do what you did before."

        I'm not saying this is good or bad, this is just the way it happens. Management holds no accountability because it's their job to be a dumb ass. Being a dumb ass isn't illegal and saves the company money. They didn't pirate the software, some peon did.

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        • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Erik Hollensbe (808) on Friday November 12 2004, @08:35PM (#10804293)
          (http://erik.hollensbe.org/blog/)
          I agree. Also, with the ubiquity of "fat clients", often times developers don't even bother to ask - they "demo" software long before they buy it.

          It's easy to blame it on the managers, but the developers don't help by inflating the problem, promoting the piracy of software where an actual demo would have been more fruitful.

          Dev: "Hey, I signed up for a demo of this. I put your email address in the form."
          Manager: "Ok."
          (2 weeks later)
          Dev: "I need this whiz-bang feature that the demo doesn't support. I won't be able to continue until I get it working."
          Manager: "Write up a PO and put it on my desk."

          Often times, that'll get you software by the end of the week. It's worked for me many times... Where as the alternative (which I have done), normally gets the response, "we already have it, why do we need to buy it?".
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        • Re:The real lesson by miscGeek (Score:3) Friday November 12 2004, @08:37PM
          • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Funny)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12 2004, @09:08PM (#10804478)
            Nope, that's when you keep all email to management requesting the required software and their response. When the deadline is missed you show it to them.

            Oh, you put it in e-mail? All POs must be in writing and put in the blue inbox bin.

            Oh, you put it in the blue bin? We are putting all POs in the red inbox bin.

            Oh, you put it in the red bin? All that goes in the shredder. All POs must be faxed.

            Oh, I'm out of paper? Why didn't you send it by e-mail?

            What the hell are you doing sending registered mail to my home address? You can't expect me to work during my off hours.

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        • Re:The real lesson by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday November 12 2004, @09:35PM
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          • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Funny)

            by operagost (62405) on Friday November 12 2004, @10:17PM (#10804807)
            (http://operagost.com/ | Last Journal: Monday May 01 2006, @12:08PM)
            "You know, if worked a little smarter by developing a simple GUI library, we could eliminate half the team ..."
            I got laid off after 5 months
            Looks like the GUI library did the trick.
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          • Re:The real lesson by flosofl (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @10:54PM
          • Idiot by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @10:57PM
          • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Interesting)

            by MillionthMonkey (240664) on Friday November 12 2004, @11:08PM (#10805018)
            (Last Journal: Wednesday January 31 2007, @02:25AM)
            A couple days later they showed up in person to demand, with absolutely no diplomacy (like asking politely), that I remove my own personal keyboard (one of them old clunky IBMs because modern keyboards suck) because it was against company policy to modify hardware.

            I thought this was crazy until you revealed that this was a defense contractor. They have good reasons (government paranoia) to forbid unauthorized hardware and software installs. I used to work at a company whose only customer was Lockheed Martin and which was in fact formed by Lockheed Martin. (They form little companies for themselves like this so they can pay crappy wages with no benefits for doing work that doesn't require a classification. The concept of a company with a single customer comes quite naturally to these people.) When I did work in the actual Lockheed Martin facility I had an escort badge. Every time I needed to take a piss, they walked me down the hall and waited outside the bathroom.

            I'm surprised you didn't get fired for plugging in a weird keyboard. They canned me for opening a telnet session one day and sending an email home saying I'd be late.

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          • Which one, wait let me guess... mmmm N.G.? by Ayanami Rei (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @11:30PM
          • Re:The real lesson by obdulio (Score:1) Saturday November 13 2004, @12:35AM
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        • Re:The real lesson by the-build-chicken (Score:2) Friday November 12 2004, @09:51PM
          • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Tony Hoyle (11698) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Friday November 12 2004, @10:05PM (#10804749)
            (http://www.nodomain.org/)
            I tried that line.

            The situation: Deadline for $500,000 contract in two days. Really hard to find memory leak in the code (only happens when there's >5 simultaneous users so you can't single step it). 3 developers had spend the last week trying to find it.

            We'd put in a request for Developer Studio the previous month - the request had to be a 10 page report on why we needed it (heck, it's only $1000!).

            I went to the manager. Stated that there was no way we could beat the deadline without some software to help us (it would be hard even with DS, but impossible without it). His response... "There's no money for it. Can't you pirate it?"

            Penalties for missing the contract deadline by over a week amounted to over $10,000.

            I'm glad I left that place...
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            • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Insightful)

              The answer to that would be: No, I am not empowered to agree to contracts on behalf of the company, and thus I really don't feel empowered to agree to them and violate them at the same time!

              Why don't you pirate it, Mr. Manager Man?

              Don't put up with violating the law, or even violating company policy, to get around stupid-ass restrictions that are keeping you from doing your job. Stand firm and complain continually about the policy failure. If your company has a process to make suggestions or complain about policies, use it exactly how you're supposed to. When asked why you don't hit deadlines, pull out documentation of how this policy hindered you and you couldn't get it changed.

              We, the workers, need to stop putting up with this crap. Either they give us the tools to do our job (Or let us go get them.), or we're just going to stand there and point out they've hired us to do a job and not given us the tools. Don't go and get the tools in violation of company policy.

              A friend of mine got in a similiar sitution recently. It seems, he's on the IT staff of a company, and they'd adding computers. Well, for some completely idiotic reason, the electricians wire the network. So he put in a work order for eight drops in this room, and, three weeks later, when they came in, only two of the drops actually worked. So he's talking about what he's going to do, is is he going to get a hub and have reduced bandwidth to this important machines, or maybe stick some of them in another room until another work order goes this, or maybe, against the rules, take off the faceplates of the jacks and try to fix the wiring, or what, and I just stare at him.

              Then I say: The electricians didn't do their job. They probably don't know how to do it correctly, so it's not their fault, it's the fault of whoever put in such a stupid-ass rule, but still...the work order is not complete. Don't try to figure out a way around the rules. Go and tell them you're only able to do 1/4th your job, because only 1/4th of the work you need done (And was okayed to be done!) was actually done. If they want this to not happen again, they could actually let people who know how to wire a network cable run it, or at least put the ends on.

              Because figuring out ways around the rules is not your job. If the rules are not correct, yes, you need to point that out, and maybe even suggest new rules. If management does not listen to you, it is not your job to do your work in violation of said rules. If they make you sweep with a shovel instead of a broom, by God, sweep with a shovel. Don't sneak a broom out when they aren't looking.

              Of course, companies could actually start trusting workers again, and I'm sure some do. But if they did, you'd know, because you wouldn't have stupid procedures you need to work around in the first place!

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            • Re:The real lesson by jcr (Score:2) Saturday November 13 2004, @08:38AM
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    • Some did this on the Apple II w/ "Arcade Machine". by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday November 12 2004, @08:33PM
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  • A few angles... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Last_Available_Usern (756093) on Friday November 12 2004, @07:46PM (#10803904)
    Optimist's response: Maybe they were waiting for their activation code. Pessimist's response: They knowingly stole it. Realist's response: Even Microsoft has no use for MS Sound Editor.
    • Re:A few angles... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mgv (198488) <Nospam.01.slash2dotNO@SPAMveltman.org> on Friday November 12 2004, @07:51PM (#10803962)
      (Last Journal: Sunday January 22 2006, @06:55AM)
      Optimist's response: Maybe they were waiting for their activation code. Pessimist's response: They knowingly stole it. Realist's response: Even Microsoft has no use for MS Sound Editor.

      The question it rasises is how much other stuff is in windows that has IP violations? The answer is: Nobody knows. Probably not even MS know, and a nobody else is in a position to analyse it. By the time it gets found and publicised, its been in the operating system for a long time.

      Michael
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      • Re:A few angles... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by kfg (145172) on Friday November 12 2004, @08:37PM (#10804301)
        The question it rasises is how much other stuff is in windows that has IP violations?

        And the answer it provides is that the idea that closed soure software somehow becomes magically free of stolen or infringing code is fallacious.

        At best it provides the bliss of ignorance, but an ignorance difficult or impossible to correct.

        KFG
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