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Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42598521) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

No, it's because I actually know what an MSA is and that is most certainly not a city. MSAs cover massive areas of land and include suburbia. If you want to hold me to my words, I will respond in kind. City != MSA. Also, the rates are for the entire state. The raw numbers are just that raw, and must be turned into rates for them to be in any way meaningful. But just look at MA. Not a single murder outside an MSA. NH is the next state over and it's a free for all compared to MA. The homicide rate is half that of MA. Even your misreading of the data is supporting my conclusion.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42596505) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

Back when I was in Brazil they had a fair amount of legal guns - that was 25 years ago, but they didn't even need a permit to carry, if they could legally buy one. They did need a license for that.

Major changes in Brazil in the last decade. Major changes. And as they clamp down on the guns, the crime rates go up.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42595779) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

A: in 1780s America, guns were typically flintlocks and muskets.

And we didn't have email, the internet and digital books. Your point? The gatling gun and the rifled mini ball were the advanced arms of their time and believe me, these same arguments were used in the 1800s...

B: Australia has virtually no legal civillian gun ownership and their firearms homicide rate has dropped 47% between 1991 and 2001. (nb. AU bought back guns from owners in 1996)
C: Provinces and Cities outside of the US with strict gun control regimes are some of the safest places to be in North America wrt gun related homicides. (n.b. CA ended casual gun ownership in 1997 with Bill C-51)

Homicides and violent crime are what matters, not "gun homicides". People who die and who are attacked but can't defend themselves are what, morally superior if they are not armed? Read John Lott's book and tell me that your handful of cherry picked examples matters...

Oh, BTW Lets see how Australia is doing these days...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/hoB3GBuhehA

By using manipulated stats you are biasing the conclusion. Canada has also been loosening it's firearms laws in recent years. More importantly Australia's violent crime rate is rising as the criminals learn how to work the system. The UK has a very high violent crime rate 5+ times ours because those who fight back get in more trouble than those who just suck it up and take it. The yobs run the show there.

D: just because someone is for reasonable limits on guns doesn't mean they don't know anything. Your arrogance is absurd when some of us think reasonable gun limits and gun rights can be reconciled.

The people in this thread are not trying to reconcile gun rights with anything. They are secure in their belief that certain things are not covered by the scope of the right and more importantly that any of this crap matters. The VT shooter used handguns and killed more people, all of whom where capable of fighting back (as opposed to kindergarteners) than the lunatic in CT but yet they demonize extra killy clips and black rifles. In CO the kid actually killed very few and had a 100 rd drum. Oh, it jammed. Yeah, that's what they do. They suck. The best thing the anti-gunners could do is given them away. They are jam-o-matics. So what is being reconciled here? How am I being arrogant? Because I actually know what I am talking about?

in the US, a concealed carry program that is rigorously administered as well as making manufacturers liable for advertisements and the gun culture they foster would be several ways to achieve these without infringing on a US citizen's right to self defence. We would have to compromise. you're willing to do that, right?

Compromise requires your side give something. All I see is people taking something. Everyone said 10 rounds was acceptable. See what happened in NY? 7 rounds is now the "safe" limit. There is no compromise here. It's all take and no give. If people would actually listen to gun owners, you would know we don't want people to die and that we know how to prevent it. Focus on dangerous people and not on us with no records. But really all people do is focus on plastic boxes and black colored rifles because they want to ban guns and are doing everything and anything to make it happen. Meanwhile lunatics in the subways will continue to kill a few people every month in NYC and the next lunatic school killer will be working on his pipe bombs. Don't believe me?
http://www.examiner.com/article/alabama-school-bomb-plot-cops-foil-plot-arrest-teen
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-boy-arrested-bomb-making-parts-article-1.1223474

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42594805) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

No, I am not. A large number of guns used in cartel violence in Mexico that come from the US are not civilian legal in the US. ie; the mexican army and police are letting them out the back door. You have a highly corrupt government there. Also, there are a lot of half truthes coming out of Fox/Calderon's government re: trace data. A lot of US arms supply the military and police and they only trace stuff that they think will actually be traced to the US. This is why 90% trace rates are being seen. But they don't trace everything for obvious reasons. A lot of stuff comes from Honduras and other SA countries. But again, it's not my bias here that is clouding the issue. My rights are not subject to punishment because of the bad actions of others. Just like it's absurd to punish two children because one of them misbehaved, it's absurd to punish me for the actions of others, especially when those others are corrupt foreign government leaders.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42594619) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

I don't have a problem with my argument. You assume you have actual facts and not lies perpetuated by a lazy media. The vast majority of guns illegally trafficked are stolen and very few, less than 10%, are bought new by straw buyers. The time to crime for a gun in the US is 10 years. That means on average, it takes 10 years from first sale before a gun is used in a crime.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42594573) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

If an RPG is not covered, then a nuke wouldn't be either and I didn't think I needed to draw that distinction. If it wasn't clear, I stated that defensive arms were. As for court cases, Us. v. Miller (1934) and DC v. Heller (2008). Read them and you will see that guns in common use (AR 15s are mighty common) for both individual and the common defense.

As for what a person would be faced with, it's the same as what a cop would be faced with. Here is a guy who needed it. He is not the only one.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e55_1234305715

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42594495) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

What??? You don't know the law. While it's per se legal for someone to buy a bunch of ARs, it's a strong indication of a straw purchase and the FFLs are required to not sell them and these FFLs along the border . The FFLs were told by the ATF to proceed on the sales. The electronic tracker program was only one of the programs and that was not implemented on all 2500 guns but only a handful of them.

Learn the law and get your facts straight. The US government intentionally trafficked firearms so they could track those firearms to mexican crime scenes. In other words, the guns were needed to be used before they could be tracked.

I can't believe how many people believe the bull shit of the anti gun crowd like it's real.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42594383) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

I replied with data points that refuted his absolutist statement. I have a job and a volunteer position that I need to attend to and can do everyone's homework for them.

If you want to investigate this issue please do and you will realize that respected economists and others have found no correlation, much less causation, of gun control policy v. actual gun violence (eliminating suicides from the mix). Even ones who were originally antigun and who thought they would find the opposite. Start with John Lott.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42593889) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

B. Tens of thousands of guns end up in Mexico from the US. Mexico is actually pleading with the US to restrict sales so that a kid can't go in and buy 20 heavy weapons to smuggle across the border.

C. The guns are coming from the surrounding areas, they would be just as dangerous (or more) if they allowed guns. A (geographically) broader ban on guns would bring down the gun deaths.

Yes, The US government is actually supplying those guns to mexican cartels (google fast and furious cartel guns) and I am sure things will be peachy once all of us are disarmed in all of North america. It's not like the governments don't supply guns to bad people...

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 1) 1862

by terraformer (#42593061) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

I see, so the conversation you want to have is that I am automatically wrong ("But that conversation will go nowhere if you think you have a constitutional right to a high-capacity magazine"), you are automatically neutral (because you are open mined about the destructiveness of a plastic box) but everything is framed in terms of need and enjoyment. I see.

So you don't have a right to post on the internet for all to see. You don't have a right to email because it allows you to communicate with lots of people with little cost. I don't see the 1A says that speech to large numbers of people is part of the right any more than you see a right to a box. And when you invariably say "But it's guns and they are killy and only meant to kill" realize speech kills. A lot. A turd in FL burned a Koran and 20 UN workers in Afghanistan were slaughtered. Yeah, the syria thing was BS but the one in Afghanistan wasn't. People lie routinely in political campaigns. Bush II got elected and then waged war based on a pack of lies. How many people dies because those lied allowed the people to support his stupidity?

An arm is easily defined and frankly that you would think that nukes falls under that or even entertain that is telling. An arm is that which a soldier can bear by themselves for their defense. An RPG is an offensive arm. Not a defensive arm. It's real simple actually. A rifle is a defensive arm in that it is suited for that. A single RPG pull of the trigger can kill tens of people. A single pull of the rifle trigger kills at most one. Offensive v. defensive. It's done.

You don't want a conversation. You want a conversion by me to your deluded way of thinking that objects are responsible for the havoc their operators cause. We don't ban cars because people kill with them. We don't ban kitchen knives because more people are killed by those than assault weapons. Hell, more people are killed by hammers than assault weapons. Look it up. FBI stats. Google it as many articles have been written on it.

Comment: Re:Almost no one is killed by "assault weapons" (Score 4, Insightful) 1862

by terraformer (#42592401) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

A: Regulated meant disciplined in 1780s America.
B: Mexico and Brazil have virtually no legal civilian gun ownership and their murder rates (including those with firearms) are orders of magnitude higher than ours.
C: States and Cities in the US with strict gun control regimes are some of the most dangerous places to be in this country. The stats you are swallowing whole include suicides in them to make the rural areas look dangerous.
D: You know nothing about this topic and are simply seeking information to confirm your biases.
Good day to you sir.

Comment: Re:I don't understand the "high cap" magazine ban (Score 3, Informative) 1862

by terraformer (#42591915) Attached to: 3D Printable Ammo Clip Skirts New Proposed Gun Laws

And the stupidity of this "theory" of theirs is only once has the squirrel found this nut. Every other mass shooter has gone through magazine after magazine of ammo without ever getting stopped. VT ran through 17 magazines averaging 10 rounds each and guess what, no one stopped him. It's a canard.

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