Xi Tells Gates China Is Willing To Engage in Tech Cooperation (bloomberg.com) 60
President Xi Jinping said China is willing to work with the world on technology innovation and global challenges including pandemic prevention during a meeting with American billionaire Bill Gates. From a report: "You are the first American friend I've met in Beijing this year," Xi told the Microsoft co-founder on Friday, according to state broadcaster China Central Television. "I've always said that the foundation of China-US ties lies among the people," the Chinese leader added. "We always pin our hopes on American people and hope the two peoples can continue to be friendly." China's top diplomat Wang Yi and Foreign Secretary Qin Gang attended the meeting. Xi's sit down with Gates raises expectations for the Chinese leader to meet with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken who is set to visit Beijing on a two-day trip from Sunday. That rescheduled visit aims to reset ties between the world's largest economies, after a spat over an alleged Chinese spy balloon derailed high-level exchanges earlier this year.
"By which I mean" (Score:5, Insightful)
"Put all your tech somewhere we can take it"
Re:"By which I mean" (Score:4, Informative)
Too late for that, Microsoft has been operating in China for a couple of decades now. They have all their cloud technology over there, and obviously Windows/Office.
China has been good to Microsoft. In exchange for enforcing government censorship and complying with user data access laws, China has done a lot to enforce Microsoft's copyrights. All the big PC manufacturers licence Windows, and Azure cloud services are generating some decent revenue.
Apple is the same, does much of their manufacturing over there, and of course has iCloud servers in-country. Somehow Chinese phone manufacturers must have invented time machines and stolen Apple's future technology before they invented it, because they are quite a way ahead in some areas.
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> China is willing
The Chinese government wants
> to work with the world
to convince the world
> on technology innovation
to hand over all technology and innovation
> and global challenges
and help us control what people say and think,
> including pandemic prevention
and we'll throw in a couple of irrelevant buzzwords vaguely related to what you were saying, because we think you are gullible enough to
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Kudos - I seldom read anything that's so entertaining while also being so insightful.
Have you ever watched serpentZA's videos on YouTube? He lived in China for 14 years and left because he feared for his life. He's paying them back by posting lots of inside video and information that most people outside China, and a good many inside it, wouldn't otherwise have access to.
He paints a picture of a country that is utterly falling apart - it's basically all facades, window-dressing, lipstick and mascara covering
Translation (Score:2)
Xi and Gates, you say? (Score:2)
Who in their right mind would trust either of these people?
Step 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
Step one in "Tech Cooperation" would be to allow foreign companies to operate independently in China, without having to partner with a government-approved Chinese company.
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That's only true in a limited number of sectors that are considered important to national security, and "tech" isn't one of them.
The law changed in 2019, opening up many more areas where joint ventures are no longer needed. Even before then, tech wasn't one of those areas. For example, Apple was able to have a wholly owned and operated subsidiary in China long ago.
It's similar to how Western countries require some things to be done domestically for "security" reasons (in reality it's often competition reaso
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-1 unfortunate truth I guess.
Examples (Score:2)
Every company I have personally interacted with who have operations in China have had this restriction placed on them. This includes a niche manufacturing software company, a few steel companies, a car company, a consumer electronics company, and a medical device company. None were allowed to open their own facilities in China, all had to partner with a government approved company. In one case the government created a company just so the US company had to partner with them.
These are all companies who want t
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"... the people" (Score:2)
The billionaire class is *NOT* 'the people', people.
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alleged Chinese spy balloon (Score:1)
I'm pretty sure it's not "alleged"
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O, it is alleged. There's also other evidence, but that doesn't keep if from also being alleged.
Another pawn of the CCP (Score:1)
Re: Another pawn of the CCP (Score:2)
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Um... who cares? (Score:1)
I know the answer. It's a Rhetorical question. It's especially funny to watch "communist" China so obviously being a run of the mill corrupt late stage capitalist nation.
Re: Um... who cares? (Score:2)
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Break out the popcorn (Score:1)
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Which are you alleging is doing which? I can find arguments in both directions.
Fool me once. (Score:2)
Re: Fool me once. (Score:2)
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China is not your enemy (Score:2)
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Ideas can't be stolen, except in a figurative sense. That's literally true. But lots of things associated with them can. Patent rigths, for example. (Though it's a bit strange to talk about a country stealing patent rights, when patents only exist due to a country's laws. Similar thoughts come up when considering things like "market share".) Perhaps "property is theft" is correct after all.
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Re: China is not your enemy (Score:5, Informative)
Nope (Score:2)
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I'm sure you can find some video of that, just a shame you forgot to link to it. I can tell you from personal experience that children in my family have not been told to hate Americans or want to kill them.
I'm not American but I get mistaken for one sometimes, and nobody openly hates me or tries to kill me when I go to China.
Japan, sure, there is a lot of animosity. They teach modern Chinese history in school, after all. Japanese people are often the villains in historical dramas. Americans are generally p
why? (Score:1)
What is the value add for anyone other than for China?
They've tried this previously and it turned into theft of intellectual property, no copyright enforcement, discrimatory court rulings favoring domestic firms. Companies thought it would open the Chinese market to them and the billion potential customers- only to be hampered and domestic copies to actually take that market and then offer competition in markets these companies once dominated in.
How many times do companies need to invest billions in resear
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Putin? Who cares. Compare any statistic comparing russia verses china. Russia is now, thanks putin, a third world country with a lot of crooks, and sadly, a lot of natural resources.
yet (Score:1)
"I've always said that the foundation of China-US ties lies among the people," the Chinese leader added.
then why is xi meeting with gates?
as they say in hollywood, have your people call my people.
Two schools of thought. (Score:2)
If the original version of appeasement hadn't happened, I don't believe for a second that the events afterward would have been as morally clear as they were. It was the courage (yes, courage) of Neville Chamberlain in pretending that a complete madman might be capable of something better that made all the difference.
And let's be clear: Sometimes bad is not as bad as it seems. The histo
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Show him what? That he should put up a naval blockade of Taiwan tomorrow?
That's what cowtowing to his sensibilities does.
lock him up (Score:1)
Gates should be prosecuted for conducting US foreign policy without a portfolio from the government.
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I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong as such, but I think the scope of your thoughts may be a little narrow. There are additional conclusions you could be drawing that might be even more compelling.
Well, there goes all his credibility (Score:2)
Muh Real Politiks, muh purity spirals ... fuck off. There are limits to how far you can go with wheeling and dealing with dictators before all your credibility is gone, this is now where Gates is. Regardless of how admirable Gates aims are, this shows how far would he go to justify means.
Gates will justify any and all means to contain disease, it seems. No other value can survive in the face of a virus to Gates, it seems. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and says Taiwan should be recognized as an ind
But what were they really talking about? (Score:2)
So (Score:2)
Two of the world's most fucked up people held a meeting. Expect more fuckery to ensue.
Bzzzzzt! (Score:2)
So why, then, are these two robots talking. Gates and Xi have more in common with a refrigerator than an actual live human.