Police Using YouTube to Catch Killers 111
Accommodate Students writes "The BBC is reporting on Greater Manchester police's attempts to use YouTube to catch the killers of the 15 year old, Jessie James. The video features a message from Jessie's mother Barbara Reid and sister Rosemary. BBC radio news has said this is the first time the police force have used YouTube in this way to catch criminals." Update: 10/08 07:40 GMT by Z : Sorry, misunderstood the situation. Thanks for the clarification.
So I'm not the only one? (Score:5, Funny)
Mail.co.uk story (Score:3, Informative)
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The Sunday Mail is a scottish paper.
We have a few oddly named papers in the UK. The Sunday Sun is a local sunday newspaper for Newcastle area and has no relation to Rupert Murdoch's The Sun (their Sunday version is News of the World).
I just thought I'd clear that up for anyone who seen 'Mail' and was wondering why the style was different
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Ahh, an American, and one clearly well versed in gritty British documentaries [imdb.com].
I'm surprised you don't know that the paper for intellectual class [bbc.co.uk] is The Guardian [guardian.co.uk].
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Slow news day? (Score:1, Insightful)
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I'm tired of seeing these negative posts. If you don't like it don't click it. They aren't holding guns to your head.
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I don't know why using Youtube is an indication of importance. It costs nothing and anyone can do it. It's easier than running off fliers and handing them out in hte street. If they'd put it on broadcast TV, that would be making it important.
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More apropos to ask... (Score:4, Insightful)
rj
Pick all that apply (Score:2)
We got lots of guns and shootings?
Mainstream Media is currently in the election story arc (and with this Foley guy, well, it's all sweet cash for them)?
Anyway, we're getting a deluge of death reports from Iraq so... you know, back of the line and all that.
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(This is not flamebait. Think about it for a second)
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Funny. When Fox news shows non-caucasian murders and other crimes it's considered racist by the left.
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Noteworthy... (Score:2, Insightful)
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If you live in a smaller metro like here in Grand Rapids/Western MI a metro of about
It is all about scale my friend.
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In any country with > 60M people, it's sadly inevitable that murders will happen on almost a weekly basis. However in many countries you'll rarely see murder covered prominently on the national news. This isn't because they don't consider murder important. This isn't because murder never happens there, or happens so often that the public no longer cares....
Looking at the UK news you'll regularly see headlines about mothers mutillating their babies, creepy guys raping 6 year old kids, and
Effect of social density (Score:2)
The reality is different - crime rates aren't much different than elsewhere
I'm not sure if you are comparing like to like. It's been a long time since I took courses outside my areas of specialty (~ 20 years), but when I was in school (college) theories of social density and its correlation to behavioral pathology were widely accepted. Much available data supported the correlation and many studies were published.
The general idea is that when you increase the number of people per square unit of surface
It's important because... (Score:5, Insightful)
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But then again, we have states that are larger than Britain.
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The simple fact that a 15 year old boy getting shot gets such media attention in Britain (when compared to similar events in America) is noteworthy. Sure, the USA is a far larger country, but even at a State level you don't really see the same kind of news reporting when it comes to these kind of shootings.
Old Jim Davidson joke: an American visits Britain, and casts his eye over the architecture.
American to Briton: You know, boy, back in the States we have buildings 10 times the size of that one over
In some places, murder is still news (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, in some countries, like the UK, there aren't so many murders everyday throughout the year that the populace has lost all sense of empathy when a human life is taken. All it takes is for there to be an unusual circumstance and it will become big news.
I guess in some other countries, where bizzare murders and school/work shootings happen all the time and people are bored of it, people would rather hear about Angela Jolie and Brad Pitt.
Re:In some places, murder is still news (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In some places, murder is still news (Score:5, Insightful)
Dan East
Re:In some places, murder is still news (Score:5, Funny)
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Gun crime's on the increase in the UK (or so they'll have us believe, anyway), particularly in the rougher parts of the big cities. There's more illegally-held weapons in circulation these days, and what what particularly scares Joe Public, though he won't like to admit it, is that it's mostly young black people packing heat. Of course, when a mad old white man shoots a fleeing kid in the back with an illegally-held shotgun, the public clamours to have him released (go look up Tony Martin).
As
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1: Gun crime as I mentioned
2: The victim didn't do anything wrong and wasn't involved in gangs (apparently)
3: The victim was young (and importantly for the media had a sweet, innocent photo of him)
4: family was outspoken and generally media friendly
Not all of murders like this get large media coverage, you get maybe 2-3 child murder cases hitting the front pages a year. However it wouldn't su
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Re:In some places, murder is still news (Score:5, Interesting)
We British people do so love learning about guns and the "English Experience" from pro-gun Americans.
In other words, published by the BBC it may be, but it's also a gun lobbyist's sales pitch on the idea of Brits embracing american gun culture so please don't take it out of context and please don't take it as any indication of the British culture and/or its attitude towards guns.
The simple fact of the matter is that, by and large, we don't like guns here. We don't like people having guns and we don't even like our police force to have guns. If we had our way the army would still be equipped with swords, which you can still run away from by the way.
The reason this story was both shocking and "noteworthy" was because the views expressed by Ms. Malcolm and her ilk are anathema to most Brits.
We may well experience three murders a day on average in this country of roughly 65 million but I suspect that very, very few of them involve innocent children being shot on the street.
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Yes, I realized that it was written by an American with a book to sell. I tried not to touch the "Brits should have guns" bit, but I thought the rising British violent crime rate was notable. America still ha(s|d) 3.5 times as many homicides, but that still suggests that a lot of people are getting killed in England. *shrug*
Of course, that doesn't matter, because you're not nearly as bad as the savage Americans.
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You don't have that, "I need a gun because I don't trust my neighbours and might need to shoot them" attitude, instead you get the, "I'm in a gang and deal drugs so need a gun to shoot other gang members who
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You say "We've certainly had no more school shootings since the ban." That proves nothing. Did you have more shootings before the ban? Do you have fewer, now? Do you honestly think the availability of guns was a primary factor that could ac
You better not do that... (Score:2)
Not that they dont deserve it. About 9 in each 10 crimes I have heard about since I came to the UK are 14-16 year old kids doing some kind of maniatic thing to pedestrians.
A friend of mine was attacked (with gum guns) in the middle of the street at daylight by these bastards. And when I arrived people warned me to be aware of the teens as they are the most dangerous of all. It seems UK laws are pretty soft on these "kids" and parents just d
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Have an issue with projectiles? (Score:1)
Back when the army was still equipped with swords there were also throwing daggers, archers, catapaults, ballistas, crossbows, trebuchets, slings, etc. Maybe running isn't the best answer. Maybe if someone wants to kill someone they are going to do it with whatever tools are handy.
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1) how many gun related deaths are criminal on criminal
2) how many civilians are killed/attacked in their homes, and how often have these civilians been saved by their guns
3) how often do people have their own guns used against them
4) how many gun deaths are due to accidents
and how these compare to the UK.
I think something that is an anathema here is the idea of carrying around a gun to prevent mugging or to protect yo
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After living in L.A. for the past year and watching the news fairly regularly, I'd have to say that's about right. It's either celebs or car chases.
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YouTube Link (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM6HmxlU-hI [youtube.com]
Excuse me but, (Score:2, Interesting)
How so?
No where do any of the articles mention anything about race or hate in this particular killing.
Is the submitter of this story attempting to make things up?
TFA mentions guns and GANGS, which would suggest that it is proba
Why assume black on black? (Score:2, Informative)
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I assume nothing. I *always* RTFA before I comment.
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You may have read the article, but you read into it your own biases based on the US inner city gang problem.
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This [manchester.gov.uk] one. [cia.gov] You know, the one where 2% of the population is black?
Now, if you're a member of the BNP [wikipedia.org] then you're too stupid to understand this, but black != Indian or Asian or Pakistani.
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And seriously, You have cheapened your entire argument by suggesting that anyone who would question statistics on ethnicity percentages would be member of a right wing racist political party.
I could almost hear you saying "Erm, welll, durr, erm,,, RACIST!".
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From the CIA World Fact Book:
white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)
Hmmm... Seems like since 1991 the proportion of blacks actually dropped by 0.1%
My other point was, as far as the BNP is concerned, they're all wogs.
As far as "have a look outside from time to time", if you're looking for something, you'll probably see it. When it comes to popu
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I have a ton of relatives in Manchester and Salford, but the last time I was there was '93. I'm curious what things are like there now.
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You're right, I think that, this particular case is BAU for Moss Side. But Zonk perhaps could be forgiven for sensing that there is indeed a heightened emphasis on racial tensions - there are lots of other nasty incidents [bbc.co.uk] and racist attacks [bbc.co.uk], the hard right UK Independe
very simple (Score:4, Insightful)
1. The victim apparently didn't know the killers
2. He was apparently chosen solely based on race
3. The killers are still at large, and there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't do this again
People don't think too much when drug dealers are killing each other, because most of us don't hang out with that crowd and aren't really affected by it. That's why a killing like this brings in much more attention.
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And from where did you glean this information?
I've read every related article on the BBC and not one mentions anywhere that this killing was race and or hate driven.
If you would read the articles at the BBC yourself you would see that the police and everyone else is calling this a gang related black on black crime.
Are you trying to foment racial hatred towards whites?
Post links to the articles citing that this was race/hate related please.
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Those dirty little cowards (Score:2)
Did they think he was going to be another Mr. Howard [wikipedia.org] or something? Those dirty little copycat cowards.
Why it's a big story (Score:2, Interesting)
a) it occurred in a crime ridden area of Manchester
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That is.. it totally doesn't fit the profile.
It'd be the equivalent of a white beauty queen living in Compton getting hacked with a machete while walking along the street. That would be big news in the US whereas gun-related child murders seem to be a weekly event, unlike in the UK.
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To be fair, how much coverage does it need? Unless new developments occur, most news should expire within a day or two.. otherwise it's not really 'new'.
Is Zonk an idiot? (Score:4, Insightful)
Jesse James != Anthony Walker. The only way they are related is that both murder victims are black.
Other than the obvious and regrettably tragedy of the situation, why is this case noteworthy?
What did Stalin say, "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic"? So how this particular case different than the thousands of others who die regularly? I dont know but that sure is a shitty way to look at the world.
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The only way they are related is that both murder victims are black.
I'd have said the more defining point of similarity is that they were both murdered.
And they're doing this ... how? (Score:1)
I RTFA (Score:2)
So how long before someone does a remix? (Score:2)