Idea Stock Exchange 160
Retrospeak writes to tell us The New York Times has an interesting article on an interesting business strategy used by a company called Rite-Solutions. The system recognizes the need for harvesting ideas from the entire company instead of just one or two "idea-men" in a stock-market-esque idea exchange. From the article: "We're the founders, but we're far from the smartest people here," Mr. Lavoie, the chief executive, said during an interview at Rite-Solutions' headquarters outside Newport, R.I. "At most companies, especially technology companies, the most brilliant insights tend to come from people other than senior management. So we created a marketplace to harvest collective genius."
Hey (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hey (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hey (Score:2)
I thought this was always the case.
Re:Hey (Score:4, Insightful)
"We're the founders, but we're far from the smartest people here," Mr. Lavoie, the chief executive, said during an interview at Rite-Solutions' headquarters outside Newport, R.I.
Admitting to the reality is actually a vital sign of the intelligence in the leadership. If you'd hire people more stupid than you in any intellectual business, you're f-d.
I wish my boss would consider this fact in some areas more often
I do understand that the bosses in situations like that usually do realize that their workforce is more talented or at least more up-to-date in the expertise, but unluckily for the workers, the selfpride of the bosses preceeds the rationality that you'd expect.
Anyway, seems like one company (at least officially) is trying to fight the
Ps. how would you fight this "pride" issue ? My current strategy is either to explain very calmly my selections in development paths or if that fails, just go along and point the primary reason out when it starts to fall apart... Humans are supposed to learn most from their "personal" failures.
Re:Hey (Score:2)
Also, I still defer various forms of development decisions to them - and give them my best estimates at what the costs and benefits of each path is. I do NOT try to force the decision - it is their decision, I'm just giving them the information they need to perform it.
This t
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A non-technical *has* to rely on the information supplied by the techs.
Eivind.
Japanese methods? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Japanese methods? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Japanese methods? (Score:2)
Re:Japanese methods? (Score:2)
Yes, even the general public could brainstorm (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, in fact, the Japanese used this method to allow the general populace to brainstorm creative solutions to the country's most vexing problem. Unfortunately for them, the demographics of the country were such that the votes of children aged 5-12 largely determined the resulting solution [wikipedia.org].
GMD
Re:Japanese methods? (Score:2)
Re:Japanese methods? (Score:2)
Kaizan (Kaizen?).
I got great ideas (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I got great ideas (Score:1)
A market for innovation (Score:5, Insightful)
How often is the person with the idea and the vision the guy with the business smarts to capitalize on it? How often does a company with excellent execution thirst for the next big idea? A marketplace for ideas and innovation is possibly the solution to this.
It may be unpopular here, but in order to make such a market work properly, it's necessary to have the necessary protection for ideas and innovations - i.e., intellectual property laws need to be improved. That isn't to say that draconian laws are needed, but if I have an idea, I need a reasonable expectation that I will not get fleeced by offering it on a marketplace.
An efficient innovation market backed up by appropriate laws may well be the next driver of wealth.
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
Same thing with science. There are a lot of brilliant scientists who spend their time researching really trivial stuff because they can't think of anything better. And at the same time, there are a lot of people with great ideas of research projects who
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
Good luck with that one, don't think there exists a server large enough to store all that info
P.S. the majority of it would be filled with questions that are alread answered.
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
No, the majority of it would be homework questions.
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
I'd like to suggest a sister site that would contain questions that science has already answered but isn't aware of yet. Data mining is going to be a huge and beneficial industry once a few CEOs and politicians are done away with (and I mean that in a strictly nonviolent way, officer
It's called usenet. (Score:2)
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2, Interesting)
Your system would allow anybody with an idea to instantly stop anybody who is actually trying to accomplish something by working. It rewards the people who sit on their ass all day and type their goofy ideas into a web site hoping somebody actually tries to make something some day.
That's the problem with patents. It punish peo
Re:A market for innovation (Score:3, Interesting)
"To me, ideas are worth nothing unless executed. They are just a multiplier. Execution is worth millions."
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
In my experience, people who argue for stronger "IP protection" and the possibility to trade with ideas are often those with few ideas of their own (and hence think there is great value in them, I guess).
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
If anyone wants ideas enogh to actually pay money for them, let me know. (I mean good, sound engineering ideas that will make someone a million dollars a year or maybe a billion. This is engineering - actual long-term investment required.)
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who's fleecing whom? (Score:1)
Definition of "to fleece" (Webster): to charge excessively for goods or services
I think you meant: "I need a reasonable expectation that I will be able to fleece everyone else when I offer it on the marketplace."
Or do you think that although, in general, monopolies must be prevented "to make a market work properly", sometimes a monopoly must be created in order to "make markets work properly", and that Congre
Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
The Iowa Electronic Markets [uiowa.edu] is very interesting and in the UK there's a growing trend to use betting markets on political events to predict results.
Of course markets fail, and this one may, but its definitely worth a go, especially if it can be linked to implementing the idea somehow.
Nonsense (Score:2)
Let's assume you've discovered The Next Big Idea. So you create a "company" with a ticker symbol of TNBI and issue 100 shares. Keep 50 for yourself and IPO the rest. If your idea has any merit, the shares will climb in value and the 50 shares that you've retained will be your compensation.
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Re:A market for innovation (Score:2)
It's a trap! (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone who submits an idea gets labelled "not a team player" for not backing management's ludicrous schemes.
It's a trap!
[/end Dilbert-esque paranoia]
Idea Stock Exchange (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Idea Stock Exchange (Score:2)
I'm not aware of anything that lets you short Neoconservatism itself, but you can short on, say, the chances of a Republican winning the 2008 US Election, using real money. It's currently at 50.1% over on Intrade. [intrade.com]
Art by committee... (Score:5, Insightful)
Great art comes from experience and talent. It almost always comes from the vision of a single individual. Truly fine art cannot be done by committee.
Thus while brilliant and committed people in business need the ideas of those people around them, a system like this can only serve as an inspirational tool for those people with talent. The idea is not the art, the execution of that idea is.
I have lots of great ideas, but no matter how many I give out, or see on the web, few, if any, ever get done. Why? Because I'm lazy.
This marketplace could easily give rise to dependence on it for ideas, and ignore the fact that people who can get things done often don't have the best ideas, but because they can accomplish them, are infinitely more valuable than the armchair quarterbacks scattered throughout a company. And asking people to implement ideas other than their own, even if they are objectively better, reduces a talented individuals ability to great true greatness.
-Ian
Remixes? (Score:2)
While not quite a committee, how 'bout remixes -- hip-hop, mashups, or otherwise? I'm sure there's some sort of exception to allow for that. Afterall, remixes are quite popular, some are quite artistic, if not so long lasting. [wikipedia.org]
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this is a win for everybody (Score:5, Insightful)
>and ignore the fact that people who can get things done often don't
>have the best ideas, but because they can accomplish them, are
>infinitely more valuable than the armchair quarterbacks scattered
>throughout a company.
Those people you're mentioning who "get can things done," -- isn't it to their interest, and everybody's interest, that they are implementing the very best ideas available? It's not like anybody's suggesting that these people be fired -- if anything the value of what they're able to produce increases as they are given better projects to see through to completion.
And those "armchair quarterbacks" -- this term seems needlessly insulting, by the way -- if these quarterbacks are able to come up with the very best ideas in the company, shouldn't they receive all the encouragement in the world to dream up new ideas? And shouldn't they share the spoils of this success with the people who can implement these great ideas?
Seems to me that this stock exchange idea is win/win/win for the GTD people, the quarterback people, and the company as a whole.
Re:this is a win for everybody (Score:2)
They do implement the very best ideas available at the time they're considering new ideas.
Once you begin to actually implement an idea (we could call this "getting things done") you are now unavailable to consider new ideas (we could call this "I'm too busy getting this done").
Whether the reason is "busy implementing" or "not r
If this is true, they'll succede (Score:4, Insightful)
How does valuation go?.. (Score:1)
Good idea, but doomed to fail (Score:1, Interesting)
Some worker on the chain finds out that what he does could be streamlined. He commits some of his free time (you don't think you'll be allowed to hand in ideas during work hours, do you?) to write down his idea and submit it.
Middle management sees the idea, ponders it and punches as hard against it as it can, since it comes from one of the grunt workers and by default, they can't have good ideas. If they
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True... (Score:1)
In a sense it's the same reason why getting a degree is a good idea nearly 100% of the time. Bill Gates may be the richest man in the world AND a college dropout, but the only reason he was able to achieve this was that he (with a number of other people) formed his own company. The minute you want to step away from the entrepreneurial path you need to have a degree -- any degree, as long as it's a valid
Re:Good idea, but doomed to fail (Score:3, Insightful)
Your "description" of how it works is utterly and completely wrong. In fact, it's near opposite to how this program works.
I'd tell you to RTFA, but it seems clear you're just trolling.
As someone already commented, I'd hate to work at your company.
Google (Score:4, Insightful)
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Google has done some good things, but please don't give them more credit than due. Picasa was acquired [google.com].
Re:Google (Score:3, Informative)
I'm not sure what personal-project time has to do with having an internal ideas market, but Google does coincidentally have an internal prediction market, which they described in their official blog last year [blogspot.com]. From the description:
At Google, we're constantly trying to find new ways to organize the world's information, including information relevant to our business. Building on the ideas of Friedrich Hayek and the Iowa Electron
Great.... (Score:1, Insightful)
(long live C
A good friend of mine... (Score:1)
A great idea (Score:5, Insightful)
If you did, you would have seen that the internet is more than a passing fad (1992), that Linux
was more than a "toy" os (1996), that the x86 architecture and the IBM compatable PC was going
to take over the market place(2000) inspite of it's original inherent design flaws. That p2p was going
to explode in usage, that ethernet would win out over Novell, and Token-Ring despite being
"technically" inferior. Plus you would have been able to anticipate the technology explosion
that happens every few years when a new technologies 18th annaversary approaches and patents start to
run out.
All to often, a companies version of a great idea is something that they can patent, sit on,
and collect royalities on without any real application usage or work. Well, bullshit - it's just
the opposite. A great idea is something that proliferates and spreads in usage freely, without
restriction.
Re:A great idea (Score:2)
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When the hell are you fucking morons going to realize that intellectual property protects the EXPRESSION of an idea, not the idea itself? This is a very basic concept and withoutunderstanding it we get the mindless crap often repeated on Slashdot like that from the parent thread.
property? protects? EXPRESSION? mindless crap? I think you need to re-evaluate your statement.
This is half the problem, too many people just think that the patnet and copyright issues are just semantic issues. they are
Re:A great idea (Score:2)
With luck nobody will realize that because you're wrong. copyright protects the expression of an idea not the idea itself. However, copyright is not the only form of intellectual property. Another important form is the patent. Patents protect the idea, not merely its expression.
Re:A great idea (Score:2)
It's true that patents are supposed to apply only to useful things or methods of doing something, but those are still ideas rather than details of expression. You can see this distinction with software. If I wrote a program implementing a certain algorithm, my code is protected by copyright but not the algorithm. You can't copy my code without permission but you are free to study it to figure out the algorithm and rewrite it differently. Furthermore, if you implement the same algorithm without seeing my co
Re:A great idea (Score:2)
In the age of... (Score:3, Interesting)
Once again, the marketplace should act as a filter (Score:2)
Not a single thing. However, note that there is a feedback loop here; it's in the companys' long term interest not to do this. If the company is run by the typical quick-buck artists, then word gets around, and people aren't as motivated to offer their best ideas to the company.
If a competitor has a better compensation plan for employees, then this implementation plan should (in theory) work better there; and over the long term
Not Quite New (Score:2)
Here's a few:
ninesigma.net
InnoCentive.com
Yet2.com
Re:Not Quite New (Score:2)
A Cease & Desist is usually not considered "collaboration"
Re:Not Quite New / whynot.net (Score:2)
Oh great (Score:2, Funny)
Oh really (Score:2)
Stock Market? (Score:2)
"Idea Futures" (Score:4, Informative)
Re:"Idea Futures" (Score:2)
Re: "Idea Futures" - We didn't develop this market (Score:2, Interesting)
Here is the idea futures link (Score:2)
It is great, but somewhat sluggish, since you are betting on events years in the future.
You can already share your ideas on the Web (Score:2, Funny)
There are a number of "idea banks" already on the Web such as Should Exist [shouldexist.org] and Halfbakery [halfbakery.com]. These sites are a bit diffrent from the approach described in the NYT article though.
This and other business plan sources... (Score:4, Insightful)
When Pentagon tried this idea... (Score:3, Interesting)
The idea is not entirely dead yet, and so the opposition continues its histerical "criticism [hangoverguide.com]" of it...
Re:When Pentagon tried this idea... (Score:2)
Title: The Informed Press Favored the Policy Analysis Market [gmu.edu]
The Policy Analysis Market (PAM), otherwise known (inaccurately) as "terrorism
futures," burst into public view in a firestorm of condemnation on July 29, 2003,
and was canceled within one day. We look at the impression given of PAM by five
hundred media articles, and how that
Linux as a role model (Score:2, Funny)
Just in case anyone might wonder why this on
Hudsucker Proxy? (Score:2)
"What is it? A circle?"
"It's a hula hoop!"
"No one will ever buy that."
Virtual-reality prediction markets? (Score:2)
Lately on slashdot we've been having a few stories about the (Snow Crash-like) Second Life virtual world, and its active virtual economy. Take this article from Wired:
Wired: Making a Living in Second Life [wired.com]
I think it would be quite interesting to try using Second Life's economy and scriptable world to create an in-game prediction market [wikipedia.org], similar to that described in the NYT article. Instead of using a purely reputation-based currency such a
More on prediction markets (Score:4, Interesting)
If you've never seen a prediction market in action before, I highly recommend checking out the real-money Intrade [intrade.com] market, or the virtual-money Foresight Exchange [ideosphere.com]. At such markets you can get estimated probabities for almost any major event. Here's a few examples from Intrade:
* Sony Playstation 3 release before October 6: 33% chance
* Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2008: 43.1%
* John McCain to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008: 36.6%
* Osama Bin Laden to be captured/neutralised by 30 June 2006: 5.7%
* Donald Rumsfeld to announce his resignation on/before 31Dec2006: 18.5%
* Bird flu (H5N1) to be confirmed in the USA ON/BEFORE 31st December 2006: 70.0%
That said, I think the company described in the article can probably improve the way they handle their pay-offs. From the article:
At Rite-Solutions, the architecture of participation is both businesslike and playful. Fifty-five stocks are listed on the company's internal market, which is called Mutual Fun. Each stock comes with a detailed description -- called an expect-us, as opposed to a prospectus -- and begins trading at a price of $10. Every employee gets $10,000 in "opinion money" to allocate among the offerings, and employees signal their enthusiasm by investing in a stock and, better yet, volunteering to work on the project. Volunteers share in the proceeds, in the form of real money, if the stock becomes a product or delivers savings.
The wording in the article is a little ambiguous, but it seems that if you choose to bid on an idea which you "know" is good, and would be if it were selected as a product, if other people don't agree you lose your money. It would be better to have a system where if the stock isn't selected as a product, you get your money back. If the product is selected, you gain money if the product does well, and lose money if the product does poorly. This also adds an incentive for people to "short" popular ideas that they think are going to perform poorly.
How is share price determined? (Score:2)
Re:How is share price determined? (Score:2)
Again, I'm not sure how the company described in the article does things, but in
Idea Theft? (Score:3, Insightful)
Because we are the founders.... (Score:2)
To sum up our business, its to play teh lawsuit game, to sue any and everybody who uses any of the same ideas that the brains we employ come up with first. Or licenses those ideas to any who want to do them.
Since the USPTO is leaning towards the patenting of not just ideas but the thought of an idea......
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0321-05.ht m [commondreams.org]
Let customers participate (Score:2)
It probably wouldn't work for new product development, but it would be a very cheap way to find out which features your customers want in Version 2.
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We tried to get HP to do this... (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not kidding.
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Re:We tried to get HP to do this... (Score:3, Informative)
Indeed, executive decision support systems like this are precisely what the executive suite needs and it tends to be the layers just below them that are the most resistant so it's a catch-22. The executives typically have the mentality of the stock analysts and their immediate underlings are all-too-aware that upon this weakness their jobs depend.
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Crowds Are Only Wise Sometimes (Score:2)
Re:Crowds Are Only Wise Sometimes (Score:2)
The claim isn't that prediction markets are omniscient -- just that they're on average better than any of the alternatives.
They have turned things around (Score:2)
Brunner again... (Score:2)
ttyl
Farrell
Re:IP (Score:3, Insightful)
Uhmm.. I just got an idea.. absolutely for free...
Nobody can make me pay to use my brain.
What are you? A commy? *shifty eyes*
Re:IP (Score:2)
He cannot "own" the things I learn and come up with during the time of the project. He'll own the software I'm writing for him, but our contract doesn't state he "owns" the techniques I come up with for him to come to his desired sollution.
My employer only cares to see the research-report to become reality and make money
Re:Rite Aid? (Score:2)
RTFA (Score:2)