Mozilla Releases Firefox 1.0 RC1 579
islandroots writes "Mozilla has finally posted the first Firefox 1.0 release candidate on their FTP servers. This could very well be the last official release of Firefox before the big 1.0 launch date on November 9th. Mozilla FTP Servers"
Who will notice? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Who will notice? (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.openforce.at/mozparty2/
Re:Who will notice? (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, we're already playing the French version (Score:2, Funny)
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiter.
Actually, the French already HAVE halo2 (Score:5, Funny)
...if I remember a previous story on slashdot...
And don't underestimate the power of a hard baguette.
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:4, Insightful)
if the other Allies hadn't "rescued" France during WWII, they most certainly would have lost everything.
You know, there was this little thing called the revolutionary war, and if the French hadn't "rescued" us we'd all be eating fish & chips and biscuits.
Get some perspective, and a bit of an education before you blurt out lines you've heard other idiots use.
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:3, Funny)
You say that like it's a bad thing.....
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:5, Informative)
Read your history schmuck. Louis XVI was King of France during the American Revolution. He started helping in 1775 (that's right, before 1776). So the French had everything to do with it. Since it put such a financial strain on France, helping the Americans with the American Revolution may ultimately have been a contributing factor in the French Revolution and Louis XVI's death.
At the time of the American Revolution Napoleon was just starting military school. He didn't start fighting any battles till the late 1790's.
As well, since it seems you probably didn't hear about it, Napoleon was French. In fact, he was the Emperor of France, but that wasn't until 1804. He was kicked out in 1814 and tried for a come-back in 1815, and failed at Waterloo. He died (suspected poisoning) in his prison on St. Helena in 1821.
France has won many wars. That is why there are so many French or former French territories around the world. Get your hillbilly ass off the moonshine or meth or whatever you are smoking, and actually learn what you are talking about.
You are probably a troll, but I had to say it anyway.
moonshine? (Score:3, Insightful)
In the new america, facts and history and decadent excesses of the reality based community. The faith based community has no need for such things.
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:4, Insightful)
I love how the US picks on france's lack of courage, and this is from a country that put off entering the war until they were finally attacked on their own soil.
Then again, I'm just a troll.
-Derek
Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers (Score:4, Interesting)
It's called history for a reason and the facts speak for themselves.
Re:Who will notice? (Score:3, Funny)
Question. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Who will notice? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Who will notice? (Score:4, Insightful)
Extensions (Score:5, Informative)
I'm running it from debian unstable (Score:5, Informative)
and you are right, some extensions don't work anymore (I had "browsertime" not working), but all the others I use seem fine (download manager tweak, translation panel, user agent switcher, dictionnary search)
On the other hand, so many things that were working only so and so are now working again
So if you are not THAT dependant on ALL your extensions give it a try... also that way you can mail your extension wrtiter and get them/help them to fix that compatibility problem...
Re:I'm running it from debian unstable (Score:5, Funny)
That was funny.
Firefox still sometimes effs up Slashdot's rendering. Or is it the other way around?
Re:I'm running it from debian unstable (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Mozilla/Firefox Slashdot bug (Score:3, Informative)
It's fixed in the trunk, but will not be fixed in the FF 1.0 branch because the current patch caused too many regressions and would require a serious QA effort to track them all down.
Feel free to vote for it, but it's way too late to make it into FF 1.0. Besides, it's already recognized as a high-priority bug. If you really want to help move this into Firefox as quickly as possible, download a trunk build and isolate test cases for regressions.
Re:Extensions (Score:2)
I used to use the single window extension but RC1 has those options built in so I no longer need it.
Re:Extensions (Score:5, Insightful)
There are a ton of extensions I use. How can you proclaim a browser's strength as its extensibility, and then have this 'don't use extensions' nonsense every time you upgrade version?
Re:Extensions (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Extensions (Score:3, Insightful)
RC stands for release candidate, right? This is supposed to mean that it isn't in beta, most of its bugs are fixed, and they are doing final tests to make sure everything works. One of the RC releases will end up as the final release, right?
Shouldn't the release candidates have consistency?
Steve Cohen
Re:Extensions (Score:3, Insightful)
There is no guarantee that a Release Candidate will be compatible with the previous testing version, only with future RC's in the same tree.
Re:Extensions (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Extensions (Score:3)
Firefox is beta software, so it breaks some stuff between versions. Unfortunately, it's also better than the 6th revision of the competitor with 80 - 90% marketshare.
If anyone's pushing firefox down your throat, it's Microsoft. Give them a call and tell them to get their act together. Bitching at people here does nothing.
Re:Extensions (Score:4, Informative)
Becasue this is a testing release only. Users are encouraged to download RC1 only if they are willing to file bugs; normal end users are supposed to stay with 1.0 PR until 1.0 final is available.
That's why this story needed to provide an FTP link to RC1--it's not available via the mozilla.org web page or the Firefox autoupdate. The next couple weeks between RC1 and final are intended to allow extension authors to certify compatability and/or make needed changes. Then when 1.0 final hits, autoupdate should upgrade 1.0 PR users and their extensions automagically.
Re:Extensions (Score:3)
Besides, if Firefox adhered this religiously to other HTML standards, most websites wouldn't render properly on it.
Re:Extensions (Score:5, Informative)
Since there's a good chance extensions that worked under 1.0PR will be fine in 1.0 RC1.
Re:Extensions (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, backwards compatability can't always be guaranteed, particularly in applications under rapid development like Firefox.
Refusing to use potentially incompatible components is the most user-friendly solution. I'd rather it did that than misbehave and potentially crash! about:config is not meant for the average user, but as a handy direct approach for power users (makes a change from editing config files, like I do in Opera).
I do still hope that things settle enough after 1.0 that extensions won't be invalidated on every minor update...
Security issue (Score:3, Interesting)
Refusing to use potentially incompatible components is the most user-friendly solution.
It also encourages users to stick with old versions with known security holes because they work with an old extension that hasn't since been updated.
Re:Extensions (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Extensions (Score:5, Informative)
I did this to get all my extensions working with one of the recent nightlies (think it was 20041026 or 20041022), and it's fine with RC1 too:
Worked flawlessly here (on about a dozen extensions), and should work for pretty much any extension, as there were no major changes from PR to RC1, it's mostly bugfixes (except for the single window mode, obviously don't re-enable Aaron Spuler's Single Window extension).
Re:Extensions (Score:3, Insightful)
there WILL be extensions with a minimum "version" of 1.0, and this hack will break those extensions.
or if you have an extention that does:
if (application.extensions.version 1.0)
else
you will end up in big trouble.
Re:Extensions (Score:3, Informative)
Should I just wait? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Should I just wait? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/qa
Re:Should I just wait? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Should I just wait? (Score:5, Informative)
Asa Dotzler writes: "Today we have our first Firefox 1.0 candidate builds available for testing. You can get these test builds from FTP. If you've already downloaded 1.0 PR (the "feature complete" preview) and you're not really interested in testing and bug reporting, then you should probably stick with 1.0 PR for a couple more weeks and upgrade when we release the official Firefox 1.0.
Re:Should I just wait? (Score:2)
This version has a new Save Page As dialog which is more cumbersome for me (read: more Windows-like) than before. In order to traverse directories, you have to make another click to open a dialog box, but then at least you can see the whole path.
maybe this is calling for an extenstion to restore the old behavior.
Re:Should I just wait? (Score:5, Informative)
Among the largest changes are:
- Tabbed browsing preferences, see "Advanced" panel in Options.
- Several bug fixes to the new find toolbar.
- Browser migration improvements.
- Security fixes, such as an important fix to the problem with inactive tabs able to grab input focus.
- Maybe a dozen crash fixes, some being among the most commonly reported crashes.
First Post (Score:5, Funny)
Java Update Bug (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Java Update Bug (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Java Update Bug (Score:2)
Gonna wait (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Gonna wait (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course they did. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Of course they did. (Score:2)
Don't! The final release is only a couple of weeks away. Don't fry your nerves unless they fixed a bug [mozilla.org] that really pissed you off. I'm waiting for the final 1.0 myself (hoping they manage to fix this bug [mozilla.org] before the release).
-Janne
Will it support (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Will it support (Score:5, Informative)
I never gotta the bottom of whether it's
Re:Will it support (Score:2)
Re:Will it support (Score:5, Informative)
Bug about the issue is here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?
Re:Will it support (Score:4, Insightful)
Does anyone read past the first page - the following pages contain mostly comments you've already read.
Or has it been fixed now?
Re:Will it support (Score:2)
No, it hasn't been fixed. It's a royal pain when there are lots of posts, because you can read the first page, and then read the same exact thing on pages 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. Eventually you'll find a page that doesn't start with the same posts that you've already read.
Re:Will it support (Score:5, Funny)
I never gotta the bottom of whether it's
How dare you. It's never Mozilla's, FF's or slashdot's fault. Stick to the usual suspects, please:
- Microsoft
- George Lucas
- patent attorneys
- SCO
So if you run Windows, it must be Microsoft's fault, if you run Linux, it's SCO's fault (the code I borrowed from them is incredibly buggy).If you use BSD, it's because BSD is dying.
If you use Max OS X, either George Lucas' ruined it or some patent attorney is to blame (I'm not sure on the last one).
Re:Will it support (Score:4, Insightful)
Note that I did not say the following: people coming here have ver very short attention spans and cannot stay on a discussion for more than 30 odd minutes and are not very good at following threads of discussion. (But I do think that moderation points are quite often given out to those special folks.)
Re:Will it support (Score:5, Informative)
javascript:(function(){
var s=document.body.style;
var x=s.display;
s.display='none';
s.display=x;
})
Re:Will it support (Score:2, Funny)
Many thanks,
Kent.
Re:Will it support (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Will it support (Score:2, Informative)
I think the poster is making a joke here. Slashdot's HTML is neither valid 3.2 or 4.01 even with the DOCTYPE declarations. Not.by.a.long.shot. In fact,
Re:Will it support (Score:5, Informative)
Fixed in the trunk builds, and will therefore be in all Firefox versions after Firefox 1.0 Final.
This is Bugzilla bug #217527 [mozilla.org].
Re:Will it support (Score:2)
Same bug, comment #118 [mozilla.org]:
"In theory this could land on the branch -- except there really aren't enough
people doing organized layout testing."
How about a pointer to a changelog? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why?
Re:How about a pointer to a changelog? (Score:4, Informative)
Not truly a "release candidate" (Score:5, Informative)
A word of caution: there will be significant bugfixes between now and the final release, but there may or may not be automatic update notifications. If you decide to install this on the computers of your friends and family, make sure to upgrade them again later
MOOX builds of Firefox RC1 (Score:5, Interesting)
It's firefox and Thunderbird compiled specifically for processor architectures. (they have slightly better performance than normal Firefox)
what does this mean? (Score:4, Informative)
Keep those bug reports coming!
"This is a rough changelog for the RC-1 release. It's probably got a few bugs on it that aren't actually fixed and it's certainly missing a few bugs that were fixed, but it should give you a pretty good idea about most of the 250 or so bugs we've fixed since the Preview Release."
Love Firefox, hate extension system (Score:5, Insightful)
Extensions
Are difficult to install for my family, who simply don't understand or trust the process.
Often incompatible with latest releases, preventing me from upgrading for months
Incomaptible with each other
Can cause problems EVEN if deemed "compatible", and often even uninstall fo extension does nothing! Have to reinstall fire*! This is my biggest annoyance, Adblock broke the downloading progress bar, then tabbrowser extensions ruined my cookies settings. All too often I feel like the extensions are like a house of cards piled up, and I'm hesitatant to even install a new theme in case they all fall over and I have to install them all over again, fingers crossed.
Really, the whole extensions system is a mass of incompatabilities, conflicting requirements, errors and security dubious sources. I'd prefer any bloat to that!
Re:Love Firefox, hate extension system (Score:4, Informative)
Potential security problem with extensions? (Score:5, Insightful)
In a nutshell, one is worried that the UMO (update.mozilla.org) staff does not have the resources to properly scan all extensions and extension updates for malicious code. And even if you do check the extension when submitted, the author may add an update later with malicious code, and then Firefox installations all over the world may get infected.
Currently, they may be able to handle the task, but if Firefox manages to gain even more popularity, one can probably expect even more submitted extensions, and with a larger user base, it becomes a tempting target for crackers.
Fortunately, the discussion in the MozillaZine forums seems to result in a lot of nice ideas about how one can handle this, but it might still be something one needs to keep in mind.
It would be sad if Firefox was hit by security problems with extensions similar to how ActiveX has been a problem in Internet Explorer.
Perhaps Firefox's growing popularity will lead to more donations, of which some money can be used to hire staff to really make sure that UMO is not used as a tool to spread malware?
I don't get it, what is so great about FireFox? (Score:4, Informative)
It now seems to implement everything that the Mozilla Browser does, and I don't really find it any faster than the Mozilla Suite, and I like the integrated mail client (which has great search, spam filtering and other facilities).
Some people object to using the suite if they don't use the mail client, but really, come on, it's taking up only a few MB on your hard disk. Get over it!
If you do use the associated Thunderbird [mozilla.org] mail client then you're actually using more memory as the GRE (Gecko Runtime Environment) is not yet sharable between different processes.
Plans like putting a full page ad in the New York Times [spreadfirefox.com] for FireFox seem a bit crazy to me. What about the mail client, IRC client and forthcoming calendar? Advertise once there's a whole suite, and even then not in newspapers!
Testing release... (Score:5, Informative)
a note to SFX community: This is a testing release. This is not a product release. We're not pushing this release on our PR users. The majority of PR users should stick with PR until 1.0 ships. This is a testing release and we don't need everyone downloading it, just the folks that want to be involved with testing and bug reporting. Please don't evangelize this release or start pushing all your friends and family to upgrade. Most of them should wait until 1.0 in about two weeks.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Because someone trolls the web all night waiting for Mozilla to release another version of Firefox, they get rewarded with their in lights on the front page of slashdot. Did you wonder why it's only on the FTP server and not advertised on the web site?
I wish it had SVG support. (Score:3, Interesting)
Sort of makes it useless for me on a coorprate level and that makes me very sad.
I like Mozilla better (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I like Mozilla better (Score:3, Informative)
Both features are there in 0.10.1.
Re:I like Mozilla better (Score:4, Informative)
Hey guys, things are looking up! (Score:5, Informative)
Upgrade Problem (Score:3, Interesting)
Has anyone else had this problem?
AMD64 Suport? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:AMD64 Suport? (Score:3, Informative)
Definately improved performance on my P3 laptop!
is it just me or.... (Score:3, Insightful)
have you guys experience a decrease in speed of the later version?
Here's an idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Pop up blocker broken (Score:5, Informative)
Try http://astalavista.box.sk/ [astalavista.box.sk] for a sample
Re:not in 1.0pr (Score:3, Informative)
Popups in flash... The future
Re:Frist Prost? (Score:3, Informative)
I have been using 0.9.3 since then.
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:2)
Then again, it could be the fact I'm rather sleep and caffeine deprived right now.
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:5, Insightful)
How many times have you heard (directly) of someone's machine being infested with 'sploits and spyware through that browser?
How many times have YOU found something slightly suspicious on your machine due to that browser?
Which browser came out as "less secure"?
Security flaws are One Thing, actual in-use live exploits of vulnerabilities are Quite Another.
Plus;
get FF backdoored, browser fucked.
get IE backdoored, COMPUTER fucked.
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:4, Interesting)
Whether thats true or not is open but; two points -
1) firefox hasnt officially released to the public yet its close Thats what the RC1 (release candidate) every one that is using firefox right now is a potential tester/bug reporter; if you find a problem with Firefox and you are a good citizen you should let them know via the bug tracking system.
2) The fact that you are seeing all these bugs being found should inspire confidence that the firefox team and testers are doing a good job in weeding them out.
When Firefox is officially released - after the RC stage. Then you can start getting worried about people finding bugs. Its enevitable that will happen but by the looks of things they are doing a damn good job of getting them out now, so when Firefox 1.0 Final comes out you should be in good hands.
Nick
Re:Security still an issue! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mozilla 1.? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What about those potetntial vulnerabilities ? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/q
This is the relevant entry in bugzilla.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.
Also focus stealing has been fixed
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?
Re:How good is the Thunderbird mail client? (Score:3, Informative)
You do realize that these are two separate questions and have two completely different answers.
Stability: objective measurement of how many crashes and lockups you typically have. From what I hear, Thunderbird is pretty solid
Feature complete: subjective, does it fit my model of what a mail client should look like and do. You can't ask anyone this, you have to try for you