
Yahoo Boosts Email Space in response to Gmail 707
coleslawjoe writes "This article at New York Times explains that Yahoo has decided to boost their E-mail space (Soul sucking registration required) from their current 4 megabytes to 100 in response to Gmail. They are also planning to offer 2 gig mailboxes for $19.99(USD)."
not all accts upgraded yet? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:not all accts upgraded yet? (Score:4, Informative)
Looks like only 2 of my 3 Yahoo! accounts got the boost overnight? Anyone know more details about the rollout?
My old yahoo account still has 6 megabytes. Yes, I got it back in a time when they gave you 6, not 4 meg. It hasn't gotten upgraded to 100 meg yet. (I didn't even know they had started doing the upgrade yet).
Re:not all accts upgraded yet? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:not all accts upgraded yet? (Score:3, Informative)
See also this story on the Reg [theregister.co.uk].
Re:Yahoo Support (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Problems with upgrade (Score:5, Funny)
It's a new feature!
100mb? WOW! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:4, Insightful)
I'll take "Free existing cool service" over "Free theoretical awesome service" any day.
~D
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Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Interesting)
The article said they are going to allow people to download mail to third party email clients. This is great! Yahoo seems to be saying: We don't care about the pittance we make off email banner adverts, we are willing to TRUELY GIVE you a larger m
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Insightful)
~D
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't give a damn about gmail if I can't sign in. As far as I am concerned, it's vaporware.
I'll tell you something. It's easy to have a great system with 10k users. When they have 85 million users, we'll talk again.
Yahoo has been doing email for what, 6 years now? They're rock solid.
Oh, and Orkut is also vaporware as fa as I am concerned.
Maybe google should pay attention to apple and not release things unti
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Insightful)
I also agree that Yahoo! has more experience. They have been good to me for the past 5 years.
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Interesting)
yahoo shows only a blank page. (yeah yeah, akamai net.outage. yeah yeah).
gmail for me. I love my account.
bye bye yahoo. you're a has-been.
Re:100 MB of storage is quite good. (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't give a company credit for innovation when all they are doing is responding to REAL innovation. Gmail, from what I've seen so far is better, faster, has an interesting alternative to folders which may prove to be more effective, and has a commitment to continue adding features to their free service. Google has no add on services that you can pay for and I think they intend to keep it that way. They have Yahoo and MSN quaking in their boots and I think thats a good thing.
I'll stick with Gmail until something BETTER, not just AS GOOD comes along.
Interactive Ad-Games: The Spam of the Future! (Score:2, Insightful)
How long before spam starts including multimedia files that eat up the extra allocation? Now that so many people have broadband, there's no reason to stick to smaller messages. Emails may start to include much more advanced/annoying graphics, sounds and maybe interactive ad-games.
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:5, Interesting)
-MT.
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:5, Interesting)
Thus, right now, today, I am sitting with a 2 gig mailbox with no adverts. Google will have to get their product out the door sharpish to overcome the inertia that Yahoo is creating right now.
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:100mb? WOW! (Score:4, Insightful)
Yahoo also recently decided that any messages that get filtered to your Spam folder no longer count towards your maximum email limit - a change that had a HUGE impact on how often I have to check my email. I have a 6mb free yahoo account, for some reason, but would have to check my mail daily to prevent any legitimate mail from being blocked when my box filled. Since the change, I haven't seen my limit go up by 1%
With 100MB and this new rule, I definately wouldn't have to leave Yahoo! Mail for lack of space. However, there are plenty of reasons I'll be moving to gmail upon release anyways. Yahoo, if you're listening, here goes:
1) Large and Obnoxious flash ads. These should have died with the dotcom era.
2) When switching accounts, for instance when my mother checks her email, I have to first click the [Logout] link, then I have to click your "Return to Yahoo! Mail"-link in order to enter the new login info. Of course this page has many ads, all of which I ignore. I'm not changing logins so that I can save 25% on car insurance, or whatever you seem to think I'm interested. I've never intentionally clicked on a single one of your ads, btw.
3) I have to enter my password once a day? My computer is secure, so feel free to save my password for the next 30 years if you'd like. Or at least give me the option to do so, because that's what I would like.
4) The stability this morning was crap
5) The new color scheme on the front page is, for lack of a better word, gay (it's light purple, ffs). The rest of the 'new' UI is... pretty, but I don't see any changes besides rounder triangles.
All of this aside, the one major improvement that would make me consider switching to any mail service is an improvement over my current spam detection rate. It's at about 95% blocked now. If any other webmail services can improve on that without more false-positives, I'm sure they'll make plenty of devoted fans.
hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a tip for those people: get your own domain name. Costs you about 10 bucks a year. The better domain name companies (like my personal favorite gandi.net) provide included email and web forwarding. That way you can keep the same email address for the rest of your life even when you switch mailboxes.
Also, if you rent dns service, you can finetune your mail forwarding to have different email addresses
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:2)
Can I trade in one of the gigs for IMAP access?
Re:hrmmm 2 gig for $20 or 1 gig for free? (Score:5, Insightful)
However, with this move they're highly likely to retain their current paying customers. People who were paying for 20M get 2G for the same price. It's suddenly no longer worth the hassle to get an invite to Gmail, nor are you likely to move over once Gmail is public. Changing an email address is a pain, and if you were willing to pay before, you're likely to be willing to continue.
no registration needed link (Score:5, Informative)
Yahoo! is missing the point (Score:4, Insightful)
Getting 1000mB's of space is just a side effect, that's there because gmail makes it desirable to archive multiple entire mailing lists.
Yahoo! is missing the point.
Yeah sure. (Score:2)
Re:Yahoo! is missing the point (Score:4, Insightful)
Getting 1000mB's of space is just a side effect, that's there because gmail makes it desirable to archive multiple entire mailing lists.
Yahoo, once upon a time, was also search engine. (Yes, yes, it was called the Yahoo directory, but it did eventually do crawling) And a pretty good one, too. (I'm talking back when it was still a Stanford project, like another search engine [google.com]) It's not inconceivable they had a project like this on the back burner that's getting ramped up to compete with Google. Granted, I don't think they have a chance, just because of the way Google works, their strong desire for simplicity, and the desire to keep the ads out of the search results.
What's most notable, however, is that Yahoo is doing this right now. And we don't even have a firm release date for Gmail. It's still in beta. If Yahoo is already scared of a beta service, that's saying something.
Re:Yahoo! is missing the point (Score:5, Insightful)
The premium product is searchable (Score:3, Informative)
big Surprise (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm personally waiting for gmail to come out of beta and then I'll probably move from yahoo to google locak, stock and two smoking spam filters!
Offtopic, but why does google engender a warm fuzzy feeling of trust whereas yahoo, hotmail and the rest "feel" like corporates out to make a quick buck? It's a totally false feeling, but it's happens...
Re:big Surprise (Score:5, Interesting)
Wait till they go public.
Today while typing a personal (naughty) message to friends on Gmail, I did feel uneasy knowing that I'll be "profiled" by AI bots, so I toned down the language
Originally I wanted to use Gmail for my personal stuff ('cause it "never" goes out of date) and Yahoo for memberships, resumes, etc., but I'm thinking about reversing my decision and doing the opposite.
Well, for all we know, Yahoo might be doing the same, but still, at least I don't know about it.
2GB Mailboxes (Score:2, Interesting)
I've gotta say, I think it's going to be hard for Gmail to compete. The Gmail Web interface isn't all that impressive and presuming that Yahoo and MSN can get their spam filtering and storage space up to snuff (Yahoo's got the space and the hotmail spam filtering is actually really good now), Google doesn't really have the breadth of services that the other guys do.
That said, they're smart guys, so hopefully they're working o
Re:2GB Mailboxes (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:2GB Mailboxes (Score:3, Informative)
Welcome to the new and improved
Yahoo! Mail Plus.
Thanks for being a loyal Yahoo! Mail user. We've made some great changes to Mail Plus, effective immediately! You'll have all the features of your current Yahoo! Mail Plus account, and many more - at no additional cost*!
Here's even more to love about Yahoo! Mail Plus:
* No graphical ads
When you're using the Mail web interface, your experience will be even more enjoyable.
* Streamlined interfa
Re:2GB Mailboxes (Score:3, Informative)
1. No ads
2. Email address completion works under FireFox, Safari, IE. Yahoo's completion only works for IE and you need to download a program.
3. You can enable SSL for the entire connection, not just at login.
Of course, there's no virus scanner and no import/export of contacts, but hopefully, Google will be taking care of this.
All-in-all, GMail feels a lot like a standalone app while Yahoo (still) feels more like a web app (press a link/button, and watch the screen re
Already in action.. jackson (Score:2, Insightful)
And another bonus is that yahoo does not count items in their bulk mail (spam) folder towards your quota.
Now to fill up my 2G limit. I think I'll mail myself some CDs.
Soul sucking... (Score:2)
I forked over 20 bucks the last year in to Bill's coffers but I dont plan to do so now that Yahoo and Google has services far better.
I'm glad to see Yahoo... (Score:4, Interesting)
Interactive Ad-Games: The Spam of the Future! (Score:2, Interesting)
How long before spam starts including multimedia files that eat up the extra allocation? Now that so many people have broadband, there's no reason to stick to smaller messages. Emails may start to include much more advanced/annoying graphics, sounds and maybe interactive ad-games.
Uh, this comment exists TWICE in the same thread (Score:3, Informative)
Bugs, Bugs. (Score:2)
They also sent out messages to paying customers overnight that they are over their limit now.
My 0% of 25 MB used resulted in me getting an email that I was over my 2 MB limit.
After paying their ridiculous fee and getting such crappy support and jerky emails, I welcome the switch to GMail.
Re:Bugs, Bugs. (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's a snippet from my e-mail:
You are currently exceeding your Yahoo! Mail storage quota by a very large amount. You are only allowed -2048.0MB of storage but you are currently using 0.0MB of storage. Your account has been temporarily disabled from receiving new messages.
The easiest way to continue receiving your important email is to expand your mailbox. Yahoo! Mail offers 10, 25, 50 and 100MB of storage space starting at just $9.99/year.
Nice to know that I can only have negative storage. Looks l
But wait, there's more!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Awww (Score:2)
Also, the UI has been (slightly) revamped (Score:2)
-MT.
Not for everyone (Score:2)
I always download my email with POP, so they don't have to store many of mine wheras both of her accounts are at >80%. I suspect I've been upgraded cos I don't store many emails so it won't cost them too much and it looks like good PR.
Re:Not for everyone (Score:2)
I am always sitting on > 80% on my yahoo account as I don't delete every email and don't use POP. Both my accounts have been upgraded.
They are doing it because gmail upped the ante. They must be definitely wanting to make money from it. But atleast give them a little credit.
I dont get this trend (Score:2)
It's pretty easy to set up...
And when it's full... (Score:5, Insightful)
However, at some point my 100Mb box will be full, and I'll want to get it down to, say 50Mb. At which point I very much hope there'll be some decent new tools for bulk deletion. The idea of trying to free up 50Mb by clicking through page after page of email going "select... delete..." does not appeal.
Re:And when it's full... (Score:4, Informative)
Okay google's back here's the url: http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/
Here's the BugMeNot link for the NY Times... (Score:3, Informative)
umm (Score:3, Insightful)
Yahoo: 100 megabytes
I think it's pretty clear that Yahoo is getting desperate and stupid; they most lileky don't have the infrastructure in place to offer 1GB email accounts or they already would have. 100MB is just a temporary kludge to keep existing users from flocking to GMail as long as possible (p.s: it won't work!)
Re:umm (Score:2, Informative)
Hotmail is still their main competitor, at least until Gmail comes out of beta and everyone and their mother can sign up for an account.
Re:umm (Score:2)
1GB of NetApp NFS vs. 1GB of Linux NFS
1GB of Linux NFS is essentially priced same as HDD (per-GB cost - take a 200GB NFS server and cost of the box becomes miniscule as it breaks down to 1/200th per GB).
Re:umm (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually it might. Right now, only beta testers can migrate to gmail. But most people can't. So they can't weigh whether the gmail service is better/worse than yahoo. As a consequence, people may discover that 100MB of mail space is all they need. If they're used to 6MB of mail space, 100MB is a huge increase. The decision isn't just between an additional 94MB and 994MB. It's between:
IMHO, this is a really good move on Yahoo's part. It will be interesting to see how well it works.
who'd have thought... (Score:4, Funny)
Cool. More spam (Score:2, Interesting)
That's what I get for subscribing to that Campus Crusade for Habakkuk list
Re:Cool. More spam (Score:3, Interesting)
I actually think that Yahoo's spam filtering is very good. I only get a few false positives a month. And there is also a mailbox-specific domain blocker that you have control over.
Pretty good service for free, methinks.
P.S. Thanks for Slahdotting mail.yahoo.com guys! Now I can't check my mail!
quick! (Score:2)
Comparison (Score:3, Interesting)
Let me ponder on that thought while I delete my 200 + spam mails a day, that I need to sort through manually to inspect that it does not contain any of my friends.
The 200 + spam mails a day is a recent event. About two-three months ago I used to average about 20-40 a day - all of a sudden there was a huge surge.
I won't mind giving Gmail a try and hope their spam filters are better. While I do not mind a skyscraper ad, on the side of my email, I do mind pop-ups/under. I hope that the ads they propose won't contain porn/hate websites....it would be annoying if I am at work trying to read my email but cannot due to the half naked woman to the right of my e-mail.
Confirmation... (Score:2)
The Yahoo mail homepage also reflects this fact here [yahoo.com]
Brilliant strategy! (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmm. Now, let's figure out which business deal is better, shall we?
Do I either,
A) Pay $20 for a 2 gig Yahoo box, or
B) Open up 2 GMail accounts for free and still have 2 gigs of storage.
Now, the true genius will suddenly realize that if you open 3 accounts, that means you have 3 gigs of space, and that's more than 2 gigs that Yahoo offers. How many of you figured that one out?
That's a BAD idea (Score:2)
And I'm talking about Yahoo-sponsored spam!!
And they might charge their users for a improved spam filter.
Damn suits!
I suspect that the difference between google and.. (Score:2)
The first encounter with the new interface (Score:2, Interesting)
Funnily (is that a word?
Still trying to like the new interface, though.
Competition is good, isn't it?
If only there were two blondes trying to please me...
What does one do with that space ? (Score:2)
I can see why, say, maximum message size could be an issue, and that would be a direct relation to max storage space. So if you only had 5MB, then somebody can't e-mail you an 8MB attachment (which is likely only 4MB, but thanks to the wonders of 7bit e-mails...)
However, one would imagine (at least, I do), that a user would download any such-sized e-mail and promptly rid the online storage space of it.
So what are the uses of having hundreds of megabytes or even a/2 gigabyte of
Looks like it only applies to .com's (Score:4, Informative)
Not all Yahoo! email boxes 4Meg (Score:5, Interesting)
The first thought I had though since being notified of the increase was, "How the heck am I going to keep track of all the junk I'll eventually have to delete?" My answer was, "To never allow it to clog in the first place by removing immediately any e-mails that I may want to save." The obvious answer.
IIRC, Yahoo only allows you to set up 10 rules for handling the email you receive. This is troublesome because now that we've been given so much free space, I know people will want to seperate their space by using folders - ideally, automatically - for just about everything and everyone they know. But, if 10 rules are the limit, I see in the future that limitations on space won't be the driving factor in attracting customers. Once again, it will all boil down to service and services available (options, rules, etc.) to the end user.
Crap, I had a 6 MB mailbox (Score:2)
Size doesn't really matter! (Score:5, Insightful)
The evils of capitalism (Score:5, Funny)
how to get rid of ads (Score:5, Interesting)
Just ask everyone to put the word "died" at the end of their messages. Gmail has this filter that tries not to be too insensitive by plastering your browser with ads for caskets next to news that Uncle Bob just died, so I guess it searches for words like that.
I tried with the words "disaster", "died", etc. and they all caused ads to disappear.
It might be creepy though after a while if every email had the word "died" at the bottom.... )
That's the spirit of slashdot for sure (Score:5, Funny)
Why do you have so much email? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think if you're using 1-2 GB for your email, then you should consider some non-email ways of managing your data. There are already many sites on the internet that archive mailing lists, so there's no need to keep around a personal copy of list mail. Purging the Trash and deleting spam messages helps to save space. Instead of emailing large files, consider serving them up on the web, ftp, etc. Even if you do email large files, there's no need to keep them in your mailbox after they are downloaded. Save them to your computer, burn them to a CD if needed, and delete them.
Then again, maybe everyone else on the internet is just way more popular than I am.
Pros and cons of both (Score:5, Insightful)
Yahoo
Yahoo is hoping that increasing the storage space to 100MB will keep a lot of people from switching to Gmail.
Gmail
Re:Pros and cons of both (Score:3, Informative)
The Addressbook in GMail is extremely minimal. All you can record is the name (one field, no separate fields for first and last name etc.), a single email address (a lot of people I know have both a personal and work address) and some freeform notes. Yahoo (and Hotmail) have substantially better Addressbooks with Ho
This is how storage space claim will be rendered (Score:3, Insightful)
I actually thing Google screwed themselves by announcing this service too early in the game. If they announced a full blown, stable version they'd have a GIANT market lead.
Re:This is how storage space claim will be rendere (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't know if you've actually tried Yahoo's Plus service, but I have it and it rocks. Besides the 2GB storage space, I *DO* have POP access to my Yahoo mail account. Couple that with Yahoo's near perfect spam filtering (I see maybe 2 or 3 spam a day out of about 500 I receive every day), and it's really a helluva service.
Besides email Yahoo also gives me a personal home page that is VERY configurable, a nice address book with import/export capabili
It must be me.... (Score:3, Funny)
yahoo doesn't get it (Score:3, Insightful)
Regardless of the space they give you, that's probel number one. GMail has a very slick interface. It's as responsive as a web based user interface as any of the standalone mail programs I have used, which is very impressive. From what I hear, there is an 80kb
There isn't any difference between one gigabyte and one hundred megabytes to 99.9% of the people out there who could fit their mail in a few megs easily. It's really only power-users/mailing list subscribers who'll even approach one hundred. Heck, at my school I'm capped at $150 and after a year of deleting nothing I'm only at 30%. I'm a member of python-dev and wxpython-users which are both moderately trafficked groups and used to belong to python-users which is a very high traffic group. All these messages (thousands) are still around. It would take me a lot of time to fill that 150M, much less a gigabyte.
In any case, Yahoo should follow google's lead in the ad policies/user interface, rather than raw space. You could offer a terabyte and no one would even approach it, *it doesn't matter* If you're using a gig on gmail right now, chances are you are either being gratuitously inefficient or somehow abusing the system (using it for backup or something). There's just no way.
Brian
Storage comes second -- boolean search rocks! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's been awhile since I had a Yahoo! account, but what I remember of it was pretty much like every other Web-based email system -- every other, except Gmail. Sure, sure, the storage space is nice, but that's just a component of what really makes Gmail useful: Full-featured search capability.
Here's an example, from which you can extrapolate your own interests (coding, or recipes, or political commentary, etc., instead of models). As a photographer [musecube.com], I like to be kept informed about new models in my area who have signed up with OneModelPlace.com [onemodelplace.com]. So, I have signed up with that site to get automated notifications, which now go to my Gmail account. When I get a notification, I decide -- by looking at the model's portfolio -- whether it's a "keeper" or not. If not, I delete it, because I don't want it coming up in my searches later. If it's a keeper, I tack on a "Interesting Models" label and archive the message. That's where the big storage helps.
Then, when I want to find a model that meets certain criteria, I can do a search in my Gmail account. For example, I could do a search for "nude AND edmonds" if I wanted to find a model in Edmonds, WA who is available for nude work. This is better than doing a search on OMP directly, because I know the model's portfolio isn't "stale" (since some "models" on OMP are no longer modeling), and I've already culled out those models I probably wouldn't be interested in working with (for whatever reason -- cost, looks, etc.), so my results in my Gmail search are prequalified.
Other features of Gmail are nice, but not necessarily unique. For example, Opera's email client allows the use of labels (although I haven't used that client enough to know if they work as well as Gmail's label feature). Other features are underpowered or missing -- if you're looking for a Web-based email address that has lots of integration gimmicks, then Gmail doesn't cut it, at least not yet. But for raw power for the core purpose of handling email, I'm liking Gmail more and more.
Obviously, as with any Web-based email, or really any non-encrypted email, there are privacy concerns, but those can be managed. While I probably won't use Gmail for personal mail very often (if ever), I certainly will use it for newsletters and other content that I might want to be able to search in the future.
And increased attachment size (Score:2)
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Re:How about instead... (Score:5, Funny)
I do deliberately keep my email, and it pisses me off no end when I get some sort of hard disk crash that causes me to lose old archived email.
Hey! someone found a problem to your solution just recently. Its called "Backup". A revolutionary new technology that allows you to make a copy of your data to a non-volotile memory "device", such as a tape or compact disk. The technology even supports you bringing the "device" offsite so it survives fires/burglaries etc
Amazing, huh ?
Re:How about instead... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:How about instead... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How about instead... (Score:3, Funny)
It was an electronic key that was stored in his e-mail box. Unfortunately due to the expiration of his e-mail, the key was deleted and now he can't access any of his e-mails.
Re:How about instead... (Score:5, Funny)
> Never got one I wanted to keep yet.
i think this says it all, really.
I'm sorry to hear that; I really am.
Re:aah, yahoo is /.'d! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:aah, yahoo is /.'d! (Score:5, Funny)
I imagine some people at Akamai are sweating a bit right now
Re:aah, yahoo is /.'d! (Score:5, Interesting)
I logged into my account and it was still using the old interface and had the old 4-megabyte limit. It wasn't until I logged in like 10 minutes ago that I logged in to see the new interface, although a bit broken
Re:YEP! Slashdot, bait and grab! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:annoying I can only delete 25 messages at a tim (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Effective Now (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm seriously considering shutting down my own mail host because I've moved it three times in the last year, and every time I set it up again, I wonder why I'm putting all this effort into it.