6Bone IPv6 Network Shutting Down Tomorrow 161
theberf writes "On June 6, 2006 the experimental IPv6 network, the 6bone, will be
shut down. All 3FFE:: addresses will revert to the IANA and should no
longer be used. All IPv6 traffic should now be using production IPv6
addresses delegated by Regional Internet Registries.
The 6Bone has been in operation for 10
years." Here's some more information about "IPv6 day."
Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:5, Funny)
Hmmm...
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:1)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:3, Insightful)
To make the number become 666. You don't honestly believe he said that for any other reason, do you?
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2)
No. Sometimes it isn't the 6th June 2006, and at those times I write a different date.
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2)
Re:Sign of the Apocolypse? (Score:2)
Oh my god! The 6-bone peoples sense of humour and irony is not YY compliant!
So... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So... (Score:2)
Re:So... (Score:1)
Re:So... (Score:2)
Yes, we do.
But it was an experiment that didn't work out into somthing that got deployed.
Re:So... (Score:3, Funny)
So, just like IPV6 then.
The 6bone dying means the last ipv6 broker I know of just went out of commission...
In some ways it's a pity that ISPs never deployed it - it could have been in wide use by now. As it was you had to search all over the world for a broker and cope with 500ms first hop ping times & service that was never reliable.. the world has moved on and no longer needs it.
Re:So... (Score:2)
if you wan't IPV6 and only have IPV4 connectivity then provided you have a capable machine direct on a public IP you have no need for a tunnel broker you can just use 6to4
Re:So... (Score:3, Informative)
New technology lets you search the WWW (Score:3, Informative)
Intersting... perhaps you should try a "search engine" to find a new tunnel broker. It's a technology that lets you enter in one or more keywords and it will try to find web pages that have that word. Here's a site that I hear it is pretty good for this:
http://www.google.com/ [google.com]
If that's too hard, I can recommend the following tunnel broker. I use it for a server I have in a non-IPv6 network (my server is in Amsterdam, and the b
Re:So... (Score:3, Funny)
When you can cram enough memory into routers to handle the tables.
(Note that some of the tables are not what you'd expect, but are from algorithm hacks to speed up searching to achieve adequate instruction/packet ratios.)
For 1024 bits, absent algorithmic breakthroughs, you'd need so much that storing one bit per quantum on all the particles in the router wouldn't be adequate. You'd have to go to chipped or even nudged quanta (though you probably wo
Re:So... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Why the funky addresses? (Score:2)
An extension to the network stack.. TCP+1 and UDP+1, that takes an extra byte. The first 4 bytes are your public IP address (routed normally, using the IP packet), plus an extra byte (or 3 or 4..) to route to your internal machines. Nat traversal on steroids basically.
Hell, you might be able to do it with TCP without much change anyway, using optional fields in the header. UDP is the funky one.
Re:Why the funky addresses? (Score:2)
Re:Why the funky addresses? (Score:3, Informative)
1: they didn't wan't a repeat of the IPV4 mess of running short of addresses in the space of a few decades and having to implement a lot of additional complexity in network routing to overcome this (classless routing).
2: they wanted stateless autoconfiguration for machines on a lan based on thier mac address (this is why half the address is alocated for use within a lan).
3: they wanted to have a clear demarcation between hirachy levels (/16 fo
Re:Why the funky addresses? (Score:5, Informative)
At one point (~1994) the IPng working group in the IETF was contemplating 64-bit addresses, but roughly, they decided to go to 128 bits with the reasoning that they didn't want to repeat another major transition a few years down the road. (Think long-term...I think the goal was for at least a 20-year lifetime for the protocol.) Well, it's taken quite a bit longer for IPv6 to be widely adopted than was once originally believed, for a variety of reasons, but that was the rationale.
IPv6 got its version number from the value 6 assigned to it in the IP header (the "header version" field is the first four bits). The value 5 was already assigned to an experimental and mostly-forgotten network protocol called ST-II (I think). So "IPv5" was never really an option.
Website won't load (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:3, Interesting)
why do I only have one IPv4 address for five computers?
Because you are a residential customer and have no compelling need that would justify paying more money to the last mile provider. Even under IPv6, you'd still get a /128 under the billing schemes that the incumbents prefer. Don't like it? Tough feces; last mile incumbents have entered into exclusive contracts with municipalities.
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:5, Informative)
No, the plan is to hand out a /48 even to dialup customers [x42.com].
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
the great thing is (Score:2)
Geographic duopoly (Score:2)
The trend is clear: if it's just a software switch on their side, they'll flip it, because if they don't, their competitor will.
So what if the competitor doesn't, citing cost and "security" issues? Or what if only one ISP serves residences in a particular geographic area?
They don't even need more storage space and backups
But they may need more memory in their routers.
Like photons, a free flow of IPv6 packets with a specific latency and bandwidth is the same no matter who sells it to me.
Unles
Re:Geographic duopoly (Score:2)
The genius of capitalism is that in the absence of a monopoly, eventually one competitor will out of short term greed.
Having only one provider is of course the kind of monopoly condition that will prevent positive change. Fortunately, there's competition between cable and DSL now and hopefully WiFi and maybe broadband over powerlines in the future.
Re:Geographic duopoly (Score:2)
Or a cartel forms.
Having only one provider is of course the kind of monopoly condition that will prevent positive change. Fortunately, there's competition between cable and DSL now and hopefully WiFi and maybe broadband over powerlines in the future.
Cable still exists? Over here in Germany I heard people discuss it in the late 90s, but like PLC (which has only recently resurfaced) i
Re:Geographic duopoly (Score:2)
I'm in Japan now, and my broadband options are DSL from YahooBB (secretly softbank, I think?), DSL from NTT, and cable from the local cable company. There might be other options that my semi-illiteracy is hiding from me though. Speeds are high, and service is reasonably priced.
Re:Geographic duopoly (Score:2)
Remember: If they can make more money off price-fixing than the backlash (fines and damage to the corporate image) will cost them they will go and screw the customers immediately. They are co
Tying of e.g. cable Internet to cable TV (Score:3, Informative)
Cartels are illegal, at least in the States.
So the cartels set up shop outside the United States and sell to the United States. This happened with OPEC. Or, more relevantly in the case of residential ISP duopolies, the cartels wait until a big-business-friendly administration (e.g. that of President Bush) is in office.
I'm in Japan now, and my broadband options are DSL from YahooBB (secretly softbank, I think?), DSL from NTT, and cable from the local cable company.
In many parts of the United States
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
NAT is useful to obscure corporate networks, so cisco routers all have it.... corporate desktops must *not* be directly addressable. Ever.
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
You know, I've never understood why people are so adamant about this. Where I work, all of our desktops have direct, public IPs. As far as I've heard that's caused about zero security issues, as we have a firewall.
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:3, Interesting)
Agreed. People think that NAT is the only way to have a idiot-proof external-facing security, but they're confusing NAT and a simple stateful firewall. It's easy enough to do. A NAT implementation basically requires a stateful firewall to be useful, and it's often people's first exposure to
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Eh. You can masquerade connections on a firewall, too, and gain all of that as well. You might then ask "well, then, why have public IPs?", but with a firewall, you could choose to masquerade certain connections while leaving others live.
There aren't really any security advantages to NATs. It's jus
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Re:Well, it ipv6 has to start somewhere (Score:2)
Sure there is. (Score:3, Informative)
Beg to differ.
IPv6 is used in certain foreign countries - at least partly to support mobile computing.
You can't sell networking equipment into some of them (notably Japan) without having an IPv6 solution available.
Re:Sure there is. (Score:2)
IPv6day.org slowly being slashdotted (Score:5, Informative)
In March 2003, the IETF decided that was the right time to start the phase-out of the IPv6 experimental network (6Bone), which started in 1996. This included a phase-out plan that defined that on 6 of June of 2006, no 6Bone prefixes will be used on the Internet in any form.
Moreover, the IETF IPv6 working group has started the process to advance the core IPv6 specifications to the last step in the IETF standardisation Process (e.g., Standard). IETF protocols are elevated to the Internet Standard level when significant implementation and successful operational experience has been obtained. Vendors with IPv6 products are encouraged to participate in this process by identifying their IPv6-enabled products at the IPv6-to-Standard site.
This event want to acknowledge the efforts of all the 6Bone participants, the IETF community which developed IPv6, other organizations engaged in the IPv6 promotion, and operators and end-users that have been early adopters. All them have been key contributors for the success of IPv6. Service Providers and other organisations that provide on-line IPv6 services are encouraged to register those services in the IPv6 Day website.
On June 6, 2006, end-users will be able to connect to the above web site to learn about issues like how to turn-on IPv6 in their operating systems, how to obtain IPv6 connectivity and how to try some of the available services.
With the occasion of this virtual celebration, we have a couple of quotes from two key people on this subject:
* Bob Fink (6Bone Project): "After more than ten years of planning, development and experience with IPv6, with efforts from all around the world, it is gratifying for me to see the 6Bone phase-out on the 6th of June 2006, having served it's purpose to stimulate IPv6 deployment and experience, leaving IPv6 a healthy ongoing component of the future of the Internet!"
* Brian Carpenter (IBM, co-author of multiple IPv6 RFCs and IETF chair): "It's very encouraging to see IPv6 moving forward both technically and commercially, with its address assignments now routinely managed by the same registries that look after the rapidly diminishing IPv4 address pool. I look forward to the day the Internet reaches ten billion active nodes with public addresses, which will only be possible with IPv6."
Somewhere on that site... (Score:2)
Examples of services that can be configured to be IPv6-reachable would be websites using Apache or Roxen, the games of Empire or PennMUSH - dunno if Freeciv is IPv6-aware or not, the Yum RPM updater - not sure about Apt, BIND, and probably a fair few others I can't think of right now. (They don't specify if games would be acceptable or not - but anyone who hosts a celebration on 6-6-6 is probably not h
Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:5, Informative)
Some useful IPv6 related links:
- http://www.simphalempin.com/dev/miredo/ [simphalempin.com]
- http://evanjones.ca/macosx-ipv6.html [evanjones.ca]
- http://www.bieringer.de/linux/IPv6/ [bieringer.de]
- http://www.hexago.com/ [hexago.com]
- https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/590/ [mozilla.org] - displays ipv6 address in firefox, if it has one
- http://www.ipv6.org/impl/windows.html [ipv6.org]
All that is really needed is for the pockets of IPv6 networks to join up, rather than staying as pockets. Maybe an IPv6 based P2P or something of the sorts might help provide some sort of momentum.
Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:4, Informative)
Shh. Don't tell anyone, that NNTP(usenet) is ipv6 compatible, and has free servers(ipv6 only) which don't require monthly fees.
And bittorrent doesn't have any issues with ipv6 either.
Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:2)
It's first result if you use "ipv6 news server".
Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:3, Insightful)
If this is the case, a multicast-aware BitTorrent would be THE killer app, IF IPv6 were deployed sufficiently for multicast torrents to be effective.
The way things are now, a multicast torrent would be pretty much the same trafficwise as the way things currently are for the backbone, since for the most part everyone is tunneling to one of a small handful of IPv6 brokers.
Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:2)
Re:Experimenting with IPv6 (Score:2)
It would actually be easier to implement this as a seperate protocol that was designed to augment BitTorrent. (i.e. g
so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:4, Insightful)
We've looked at it for internal use, but it's so *different*, there appear to be a bunch of compatibility issues for running a pure IPv6 network and everyone thinks it's weird and counter-intuitive.
I'd really like to see dozens of replies from people using this... because I'd say that IPv6 adoption right now is going about as well as metric system adoption in the US has gone.
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:5, Informative)
It should go faster; at least the DoD is mandating adoption of IPv6 by Service Agencies. This will prove to be an "incentive" for those ISPs that contract to the DoD, which is probably every U.S. Tier One ISP. As for pure IPv6, that may never happen completely.
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:3, Informative)
They did the same for OSI at one stage, as did most European governments. It didn't help. Protocols tends to take off fairly rapidly, or die a horrible slow death: I can't offhand think of a protocol which sat unused for years and then suddenly burst forth. Had IPv^ just been IPv4 with longer addresses, things might have been different, but IPv6 suffered from the OSI disease of attempting to standardise things for which there was almos
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
Government funded's not of itself a bad thing: TCP/IP springs to mind. OSI was worse: it was funded by an unholy alliance of regulated 80s telcos (all that ``no more than 16 telcos per country'' business) and subsidised European computer makers (ICL, Bull, Siemens) and the EU. Quietly, they hoped to leverage one-country/one-vote processes to kick the Americans. And the technology was horrible (I speak as someone who's run a production X.400(88
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:1)
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
Wait. There's a rest of the world? When did that get here?
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:1, Informative)
I remember when I was in grade school they started that big push to get metric used. The biggest problem (at least from my perspective) is that, not being born in to it, I never had a native/intuitive feel for metric. I can visualize 5 1/2 miles... I can break the distance down in my head to a number of city blocks (another imperial measurement), and even spatially in comparison to the
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:5, Informative)
On the other hand, in typical US government fashion, according to the GAO implementation speed is seriously behind schedule [gao.gov].
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
Hell, the way IPV6 is going there's plenty of time for them to change their minds and dump the idea.
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm torn on the IPv6 situation. I hate the NAT issues we run into on every project that requires site to site connectivity (we're using 172.16/16.... Oh neat, so are we!) and the NAT hoops you have to jump through. But then again, it's hard to work with "network engineers" that get lost once you start moving off of octet boundries for netmasks.
If there was a decent ISP that provided both IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity with little to no overhead, I'd seriously start looking and doing pilot projects. Until that happens or the IPv6 killer app comes along, I don't see much movement from IPv4, which is a testament to the flexibilty and scaleability of the protocol stack. I really am in awe at what IPv4 has been able to do....
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
This is the killer bit for me, I recently moved my network from a /26 to a /28 Ipv4 (it was faster) ... and it cost a non-trivial amount. I asked about only having a /29 with ipv4 and having ipv6 too, assuming it would be cheaper (and I could handle a bunch of m
these things come and go.. (Score:2)
In the end, none of these had any effect (the UNIX stuff died long before Linux game around). I dont know if this will be any different.
And besides, just being able to do it is probably enough. Mac OS X does IPv6, but does anyone use it?
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
That's because you're not supposed to go pure IPv6; you should run dual-stack for 10-20 years before dropping IPv4.
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:4, Interesting)
Funny thing is that my Mac Powerbook has both an "inet" and an "inet6" address on its wireless port. It gets the IPv4 address from the Airport's DHCP server, but I have no idea where that IPv6 address came from. It doesn't seem very useful, either, because my gateway (linux) box doesn't have any IPv6 addresses, so I'd guess that it doesn't know how to route IPv6 packets. I have accounts on a couple of other machines with IPv6 addresses, but I wouldn't know how to use those addresses to get anything done.
So where can I read all about the nitty-gritty details, enough to join the crowd?
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:4, Informative)
first assuming the linux box has a public IPV4 ip and your isp isn't providing native IPV6 connectivity you wan't to setup 6to4 on the linux box.
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/configurin
then you'll need to use other parts of that howto to assign a
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
google.com AAAA record currently not present
Not very useful, then, is it?
Re:so, is *anyone* outside academia using IPv6? (Score:2)
This frightened me the first time I saw IPv6 addresses in my 10.4 Server logs. I was wondering how they got there as I had not configured anything to do with IPv6. It took a IM to a Apple tech acquiantance to tell me that they switched Bonjour to IPv6.
If telecoms (Score:4, Insightful)
Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:3, Informative)
And if you ever have an ISP that supports it they'll very probably give you a
Basically IPV6 is no change to the normal user. Only large coroporate users will see the change, and they'll NAT as a basic security measure anyway.
Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:2)
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Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:4, Informative)
IP addresses that can conflict with the range of addresses that some Internet cafe chose when you try to VPN into your network from outside! Conflicts that cause routing nightmares! Hey, my home network and Starbucks are both using 192.168.1.0/24 so it's impossible to tell the difference between my 192.168.1.99 and the 192.168.1.99 that another Starbuck's customer is using! Yay! ;-)
Seriously though, the public side of the NAT has to have a routable address. With IPv6, you could have a routable address for the hosts on your private network, but you don't have to have that address visible in any packets that leave your private network. You can still do NAT, and your routable addresses won't be visible to the outside world, just like your 192.168.1.0/24 addresses aren't visible to the outside world right now.
Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:2)
Sure, that's mostly effective. If people pick the third octet at random, that will avoid a lot of collisions. Not all of them (think of the birthday paradox, and there are only 256 possible third octets, compared to 365 possible days in a year), but it will reduce the odds a
Re:Privacy Implications of IPv6 (Score:2)
are there any technical limitations against doing Nat on ipv6? Forgive my ignorance, but providing authentication/encryption is not mandatory, I don't know of a reason why Nat would not work.
Saying this, the real reason for nat is to overcome the lack of up addresses. Hopefully, with plenty of IPv6 addresses, ISPs will allow you to have 5 or 10 etc. For the majority of purposes, using nat as a quasi-firwall is foolish, given the di
Yes (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Yes (Score:2)
It's a zero-based indexing scheme, naturally.
IPv6 service in the US (Score:2)
Can you name 2 ISPs in the US that you can get native IPv6 assignments from?
For some time, I had a 6-bone
I know that Verio announced IPv6 service some time ago (2+ years) and that Hurricane Electric [he.net] has had IPv6 service for a very long time (you can even
Re:IPv6 service in the US (Score:2)
Cost... (Score:2)
Now you know why noone is using it.
Example of route change (Score:2, Informative)
swinter@aragorn ~ $
traceroute to www.kame.net (2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085) from 2001:a18:1:8:205:5dff:fea1:c541, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets
1 fwint-1.restena.lu (2001:a18:1:8::1) 1.308 ms 0.203 ms 1.282 ms
2 gate-1.rest.restena.lu (2001:a18:0:8
Re:So--that's it for IPV6 then... (Score:5, Informative)
The 6bone was always meant to be a temporary experimental network. Nowadays allocations in the 2001:: network can be had from some ISPs, and the 6to4 network (2002::) is available for anyone with a single routable IPv4 address.
Re:So--that's it for IPV6 then... (Score:2)
Good luck finding an ISP that supports the 192.88.99.1 6to4 gateway let alone gives you a proper ipv6 address. All the ISPs shutdown that address a few years ago as far as I can tell.
Re:So--that's it for IPV6 then... (Score:3, Informative)
Done!
http://www.hexago.com/index.php?pgID=20 [hexago.com]
Quote: Freenet6 is powered by Hexago's flagship product, the Migration Broker®, which allows users to take advantage of innovative features such as a permanent IPv6 address and prefix, as well as DNS registration and reverse delegation. Freenet6 users can get IPv6 connectivity fr
Laugh--it's a joke (Score:2)
Nope... (Score:2)