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BBCWatcher writes "Reuters is reporting that IBM plans to announce a free, downloadable office suite today in a direct challenge to Microsoft. The news comes only a week after IBM announced they were joining OpenOffice.org and dedicating 35 developers to the project. IBM is resurrecting an old name for this brand new software: Lotus Symphony. The new Symphony, based on Open Office, is yet another product to support Open Document Format (ODF), the ISO standard for universal document interchange. There are about 135 million Lotus Notes users, and they will also receive Symphony free. IBM support will be available for a fee. There are no details yet about platform support, but IBM is supporting Lotus Notes 8 on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows, so at least those three are likely."
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Petrushka writes "In a press release today, with accompanying press FAQ, IBM announces a change in its relationship to the OpenOffice.org development community. The upshot is that they're making a long-term commitment to OOo; no organization has paid off any other organization for this; they're devoting about 35 of their developers in China to OOo; and they'll be contributing accessibility code from Lotus Notes to improve current support for assistive technologies. You may recall that an alleged shortage of assistive technologies that work with OOo has been one of the big criticisms leveled against the idea of governments standardizing on the OpenDocument format, which is a file format that OOo and several other office suites support."
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Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.webgeekworld.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday April 27 2006, @07:47AM)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://freefall.homeip.net/)
There's still a long way to go to bring back open standards and real competition, but whittling away at the office suite is a good start.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday January 20 2006, @11:57AM)
News.com [news.com]
The Guardian (Blog) [guardian.co.uk]
CNN Money [cnn.com]
ZDNET [zdnet.com]
And also, actual Lotus Symphony page [lotus.com] on IBM's site, with download link.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Insightful)
Uhm, that happens to be what makes it news. As an article mentions, Lotus Notes is used by millions of people who might be further interested in this - which means OO (and ODF) might - I say, might - get a big boost.
More importantly, since this appears to be based on a 1.x OO fork, how does it compare with OO 2.x? That's what I'd like to know (without going to the trouble of downloading, installing and testing it myself since I don't have the time right now and besides which, I'm lazy.)
If it's not as good as OO 2.x, why bother (other than the Lotus Notes integration, which is mostly a boon for IBM and Notes users)? In the latter case, it's like Thunderbird and the Eudora client - it's mostly just useful for former Eudora users. An OO useful for Lotus Notes users is fine, but it's not going to really change the track for OO 2.x if it's not compatible enough except for document opening.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.webgeekworld.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday April 27 2006, @07:47AM)
in the past, ibm was for big business. ms was medium and small businesses' friend.
with this move, ibm, who is still the friend of the big businesses is pushing forward something that is more flexible and cheap - open office. it is free and it is going to get so much flexibility with modules, 3rd party apps and so that its going to be a blast of flexibility.
many big businesses happily using something that is free and they can control means that any small to medium businesses doing business with them will feel compelled, even felt necessary to use the same suite in regard to ease and compatibility.
then, so long microsoft, in regard to office suite.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Insightful)
Lots of people think they're capable of supporting MS software just like lots of lemmings believe they can walk on air....
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Informative)
Goodness my...instead you have to select 'Insert', press enter to select the default option to move the other cells down 9i.e. insert a row), and paste the cell you just cut. Involves 1 extra mouse click/key-press, in exchange for a simpler right-click menu.
Yes, I would certainly call that a showstopper bug, uhhhuhhh.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.webgeekworld.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday April 27 2006, @07:47AM)
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Insightful)
ibm is a much more trusted source in the eyes of all sizes of businesses.
I'm not sure how you can support that claim. Pretty much all businesses today are heavily reliant on Windows and Office. I suspect a rather small proportion of all businesses use IBM kit, and I suspect that nearly all of those that do are medium-sized or large businesses, not the small businesses that drive economies.
now open office and variants are practically de facto office suites of future.
Sure they are. Also, this is the year of Linux on the desktop and Firefox will have a majority share of the browser market by 2008.
The fundamental problem here is that OpenOffice just isn't as good as MS Office. If all you want is something to type a letter or a quick table of calculations, sure, it's fine. But it lacks the power, usability and feature completeness of MS Office. Pretending otherwise is just wishful thinking by OSS fans, as is pretending businesses are going to change their office suite just to avoid spending a few dollars per employee on a more productive tool.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://forechecker.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday September 07, @08:16PM)
I would have liked to use Calc for some of my blogwork (which entails spreadsheets of 70K+ records), but went with Office XP instead.
Re:Ms, your case is lost (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://forums.boiledfrog.us/ | Last Journal: Friday February 21 2003, @01:08PM)
In my mind there are two, maybe three things which make MS Office simply "better" than OOo. And they're not simply features which MSO has that OOo doesn't. These differences are:
1) Simple document scrolling. If I have a 30 page document with images in it (or even without images, as is often the case) on a system with a 2Ghz processor and 512Mb+ RAM, hitting the 'page down' key should not result in a lengthy delay. Neither should I see "typing lag", even if I'm editing in the middle of a large document. OOo does all this (and more, including outright momentary and permanent freezes while editing), and I've only experienced brief freezes/lag while opening large MSO documents.
2) Stability and file support. I've lost close to 20 pages of (single spaced, fictional/creative) writing to OOo 2.x's ODF now, whether it's due to the program crashing while I'm working before a save, or the document getting corrupted on save/crash (likewise for the backup, in two instances). This is why I'll use the older 1.x OOo strain over 2.x if I'm going to use OOo.
3) It's slow. This pertains to the first two, but it does NOT feel like finessed code in the least bit! (largely a criticism of 2.x, again).
If IBM can help 'fix' the first two problems, they'll be well on their way to an 'enterprise' application - and they'll likely fix #3 simply in the process.
IBM Who'd a thunk it (Score:1)
PS
Branding madness (Score:1, Interesting)
Hmm... (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://my.opera.com/bhtooefr/blog/ | Last Journal: Saturday June 11 2005, @09:07AM)
Even funnier, IBM already had a product to do just this, Lotus SmartSuite. (Then again, seeing as it was last updated... what, in 2000? 1999? Somewhere in there? it wasn't going to succeed.
notes (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.g4b.org/)
Just imagine that.
The OOo logo will be expanded with a big fat third bird on the right bottom, all painted in blue and orange.
(No, I have nothing against IBM, OOo or Notes, but I have to use Notes on a daily basis)
Not a news story - no details - what is this? (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.scottmcmahan.net/)
Re:Not a news story - no details - what is this? (Score:5, Informative)
Nobody gets fired for.. (Score:3, Funny)
Nobody gets fired for buying Microsoft.
Will anybody get fired for buying both?
Lotus Symphony was great (Score:2)
Does this mean.... (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Sunday September 28 2003, @12:07AM)
Admittedly, OpenOffice is now a better product, but it seems a waste to let some pretty good code (WordPro, 1-2-3, etc.) just go the way of OS/2.
Oh God Puhleeeze! Not the LOTUS xxx brand! (Score:2)
Even products with some hope of recovery have been driven to their doom by IBM.
IBM are the kings of big computers and big operating systems - they haven't got a clue about desktop software.
Leave it alone IBM!
NYT piece on IBM's move (Score:5, Informative)
Coverage of the announcement plus some comments on the fact that 3 of the "big" firms, IBM, Google & Sun are now squarely behind ODF. As for the announcement - the 35 FT developers on OOO can't be a bad thing - OOO has the potential to become a large force for good, but it has always been a couple of steps away from where it could, and should, be - hopefully this might help rectify that.
In ten years, MS was an annoying paranthesis (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.nada.kth.se/~orre)
My serious and optimistic view: Soon we will see computing interoperability and software development flourish and we will look back upon the MS dominant time where they were holding free software innovation and interoperability back as an annoying historic paranthesis.
The next important step in the world of computing now is to Stop software patents! To achieve the similar stimulance to software development as when the movie industry moved to California [cobbles.com] to avoid the film patents that were holding the film industry back on the east coast.
Support FFII [ffii.org] and EFF [eff.org]
I guess noone is seriously interested in OOXML any more, but I collected some arguments about our company's opinions about OOXML [neurologic.se] recently.
If you are interested in reading people's blogs, here is mine about SCO finally dead! MS next? [blogs.su.se]
And will it... (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://inglorion.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 06 2005, @07:17AM)
Will it be based on OpenOffice.org?
Will it run faster than OpenOffice.org?
Will it have a less clunky interface than common office suites?
Just some questions from a curious observer.
Multi-pronged attack (Score:2)
No 1 suite will do everything for everyone, so these variety of options only helps the overall marketplace.
Notes on Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.sbyrne.org/)
No. IBM is supporting Notes on RHEL and SLED. Attempts to install on other distributions will result in silent failures of the installer, undocumented files all over the place, or if you are really lucky (as I was) it will install, but then inexplicably fail to launch after two weeks of very buggy use.
Improvements (Score:1)
I hate installations that think the Windows drive / directory is the perfect place to install and give you no choice over it. I'd expect that behaviour from M$ installs.
hmm. (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not always the standards that people recognize and certify that win the day.
I look forward to the day when MS are forced to implement ODF filters for Office just to stay in the game. They once said that they would not support ODF - like any business they might have no choice if their sales are on the line. Once ODF is the standard then Office is going to have some real problems in the face of free alternatives that support the same format - MS biggest fear will be realized.
MS main weapons is proprietary formats and proprietary software and OOXML/Office is one of the biggest examples. (Yes I know OOXML is not "technically" proprietary anymore).
already released (Score:4, Informative)
(less or more) rebranded lotus productivity tools -> ooo1.3 bloated into eclipse with some eyecandy.
Wish they'd revive AmiPro (Score:2)
I still think that was the best word processor I ever used.
How many versions are there? (Score:1, Interesting)
(http://thirdprize.blogspot.com/index.html)
screenshots (Score:2, Interesting)
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/product_ss_wpe.jspa [lotus.com] documents
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/product_ss_pe.jspa [lotus.com] presentations
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/product_ss_sse.jspa [lotus.com] spreadsheets
hopefully this can help eat into Microsoft's market share in the office world.
Most likely just a political move to back ODF (Score:2)
(http://cramer.plaintext.cc/)
Free? (Score:2, Interesting)
the Notes 8 client without the Notes part (Score:5, Informative)
(http://dis29500.org/)
WordPro Filter (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/)
Lotus SmartSuit (Score:2)
But they will just rename OpenOffice.Org That won't change anything except maybe hurt the OpenOffice brand.
Another harpoon in Microsoft (Score:2)
(http://www.dangercollie.com/music/)
IBM announced they were joining OpenOffice.org and dedicating 35 developers to the project
This time a steely barb in another one of its profit centers. Microsoft is too fat to kill with a pointed stick but this will sting all the same.
Microsoft also stuck a harpoon in themselves with Vista. Something they've been doing a lot lately. Product activation, byzantine EULA's, where renting software isn't enough you also have to buy a license for your users to connect to it. Nevermind you paid for the server license, and paid for the client OS, you have to buy a freaking license to connect the two. And many act like this all okay somehow. It's freaking nuts.
35 developers helping out with OpenOffice is going to make a big difference. IBM lending credibility to OpenOffice will likely do a lot to enhance its image, regardless of whether they added any support staff.
Why based on OOo? (Score:2)
Visibility and discussion itself is good (Score:3, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Wednesday October 31, @08:33AM)
It could be that OpenOffice clearly lacks features. But that could be the effect not the cause. Because it does not have enough traction, not enough people are working on it to add features. Further one of MSFT's strategy is to bloat MS-Office with features mainly to claim this point. One must-have feature by one person in an important position is enough to thwart the adoption or stymie the feasibility studies of alternatives to MS-Office. With big names signing up and with corporations creating a second-source policy will put money on the table. That will attract developers and the lack features in the alternative office software will be remedied in time.
People know what happened when IE was left alone with no competition. The user base is more aware now a days. Further most developers have stopped trying to come up with the next killer application on the Windows platform. If they really come up with a real run away hit, MSFT will create a me-too app in the next release and usurp the market. So where is the incentive to create killer applications or run-away hits? That is one of the reasons why people looking to hit home runs look at the web not the stand alone PC.
Great, but... (Score:2)
(http://www.cafepress.com/giftsforgeeks)
Whoope! (Score:5, Funny)
(http://nutsncents.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday August 08 2003, @07:47PM)
I can smell success!
(just a joke, I'm actually a fan of both
Why (Score:1)
Now that was a lengthy article (Score:2)
(http://www.moredruid.org/ | Last Journal: Monday May 26 2003, @09:38PM)
my god journalism is getting pathetic
The proof is in the pudding. (Score:3, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Monday July 12 2004, @09:38PM)
What could make it suck?
1. If it comes out on OSX, but requires X11.
2. If it has crapola text control, esp. orphan and widow control. MSWord completely sucks at that, so this should be a fairly easy target to beat.
3. If it doesn't have a keyboard command to import an image. MSWord AND PowerPoint don't and I HATE THAT. It is such a simple thing...
4. no support for pdf. I need pdfs for my work.
5. The presentation tool had best BLOW PowerPoint away. Completely. I hate using PPT, but my students have it, not Keynote, and there is no Keynote for Windows. Grrr...
6. The spreadsheet had better be MUCH easier to use than Excel. Again, that can't be hard, because Excel oozes puss.
Any of the above would make it suck for me.
That said, I am looking forward to working with it to see how it goes.
RS
Meanwhile (Score:1, Offtopic)
Linux beta version installation (Score:1)
Requirements (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/~christurkel/journal | Last Journal: Monday March 05 2007, @02:21PM)
Lotus Symphony supports both Microsoft Windows® and Linux® platforms. Note: Be sure your system meets these client system requirements: * Supported Windows platforms: Windows XP, Windows Vista * Supported Linux platforms: SLED 10, RHEL 5, Redhat5 * 900MB disk space minimum * 1GB RAM memory minimum * US English locale
No Mac OS X support.
This seems to have become a MS bashing session... (Score:2, Insightful)
Office Professional = $20
SQL Server 2005 = $240
Small Business Server 2003 = $68
All of their products are available to non-profits at similar discounts at TechSoup.
http://www.techsoup.org/stock/Category.asp?catalog_name=TechSoupMain&category_name=Microsoft&Page=1 [techsoup.org]
And of course Bill Gates will give more money to non-profits then everyone who has ever posted on Slashdot x100.
I'm not saying competition isn't bad, I'm just saying...
Re:This seems to have become a MS bashing session. (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://honeypot.net/ | Last Journal: Friday April 07 2006, @09:33AM)
SQL Server 2005 = $240
Small Business Server 2003 = $68
OpenOffice Extreme Ultimate Edition: Free.
PostgreSQL: Free.
Every popular network daemon ever written plus the platform it was probably written on: Free.
Realizing that you're running a smaller version of the platform that powers Google and you didn't pay a dime for it: priceless.
For playing video games, there's Windows. For everything else, there's Unix.
Whoa! (Score:2, Funny)
So, if any of those IBM devs are reading this (Score:2)
(http://geocities.com/cellocgw | Last Journal: Friday April 16 2004, @01:54PM)
No coffee yet (Score:2)
IBM, UBM, We All BM for ... never mind. (Score:2)
Lotus Notes users receive it free? (Score:2)
(http://www.public.asu.edu/~corba3/)
So it's free for everyone, including Lotus Notes users? What's the point of mentioning that then?
I don't trust IBM (Score:1)
Sorry, I'll stick with MS on that.
formula error (Score:1)
Macs Excluded (Score:2)
https://www14.software.ibm.com/iwm/web/swerplotus/LotusSymphonyPick.html [ibm.com]
Just like the US and Iran/Iraq (Score:1)
Then we don't like Saddam, so we give help to Iran.
I think we went back and forth a few more times. Right now, I think we like Iraq(the government anyway) and hate Iran.
I hated IBM but they haven't annoyed me for a while. I'm happy to use them against MS.
Not Free Software (Score:1)
Take care with your Linux Distros for install ! (Score:2)
It doesn't install !!
Actually, it seems to fail the install except on the SLED 10, RHEL 5, Redhat5 mentioned in the FAQ.
This behaviour is known:
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/supportThread.jspa?messageID=4437ᅕ [lotus.com]
Re:Is it? (Score:3, Informative)
(http://www.ictsc.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday December 09 2006, @10:15PM)
Although the word "universal" may be a bit much.
Re:Is it? (Score:3, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument [wikipedia.org]
It's the MS format that doesn't have ISO status. The free and open OASIS standard does.
Re:Is it? (Score:1)
(http://mathiasdm.blogspot.com/)
It's been an ISO standard since November 2006.
Re:Is it? (Score:2)
Re:Is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Not premature, but undue hype all the same. You would think that after ISO lost most of its credibility in this field following the recent OOXML mess, people wouldn't assign much value to any document format just because it's been ISO certified.
Re:Is it? (Score:2)
(http://www.sigsegv.cx/)
And as far as "universal" this is called "marketing & PR". A beautiful move actually because out of all editable document standards this is the most popular one and it has some market share in all countries. So they can actually safely claim "universal" without being dragged through the mud for misselling it
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
(http://www.bioinformatica.info/ | Last Journal: Thursday September 25 2003, @08:04AM)
Re:Download link (Score:2)
IBM Lotus Symphony Beta for Windows XP
Version Beta 1
http://www6.software.ibm.com/sdfdl/v2/regs2/Normandy/Xa.2/Xb.egtQjMubyVUYMJQvRVpuvAMRGZICElHB1rt-9Co/Xc.IBM_Lotus_Symphony_w32.exe/Xd./Xf.Ltr./Xg.4064446/Xi.swerplotus-lsymb3/XY.regsrvs/XZ.8uUTWVE8JKR2RCvoT1Mv2y093nI/IBM_Lotus_Symphony_w32.exe [ibm.com]
IBM Lotus Symphony Beta for Linux
Version Beta 1
http://www6.software.ibm.com/sdfdl/v2/regs2/Normandy/Xa.2/Xb.egtQjMubyVUYMJTrHj5PZ1gYO1AuRVoYsLft_Ng/Xc.IBM_Lotus_Symphony_Linux.bin/Xd./Xf.Ltr./Xg.4064448/Xi.swerplotus-lsymb3/XY.regsrvs/XZ.454SxXBIifOb60VOxPqOEJlyS5g/IBM_Lotus_Symphony_Linux.bin [ibm.com]
Re:great! (Score:2)
Re:great! (Score:1)
(http://www.signedlongint.com/)