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Firefox 2.0 Beta 2 Arrives

Posted by Zonk on Thu Aug 31, 2006 03:37 PM
from the enjoy-the-pretty dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released Beta 2 of its upcoming Firefox 2 browser for developer review. It is being made available for testing purposes only. The release contains a number of new features, as well as some enhancements to look and feel. DesktopLinux.com has posted a list of the changes along with a few quick screen grabs. Apparently, the download can be found on Mozilla's ftp site."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:42PM (#16018948)
    Can this version happily co-exist with my existing Firefox 1.5 installation without screwing everything up? I'm eager to try out FF 2.0, but not if it causes problems with the version I have installed already.
  • Firefox 2? (Score:5, Funny)

    by KSobby (833882) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:43PM (#16018953)
    Isn't Clint Eastwood a bit old to be doing this stuff?
  • Portable version (Score:5, Informative)

    by xorowo (733585) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:44PM (#16018965)
    (http://www.evolvingword.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday December 17 2003, @12:09PM)
    For those of you that want to test this out without installing it, consider a portable version of Firefox 2 Beta 2 [cybernetnews.com].
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  • Firefox Shakespear (Score:5, Funny)

    by Aqws (932918) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:45PM (#16018985)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday October 24 2006, @07:52PM)
    FireFox, 2B or not 2B.
  • This alone makes it worth it (Score:5, Funny)

    by eyeye (653962) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:45PM (#16018991)
    (http://5sexy/ | Last Journal: Thursday September 11 2003, @08:40AM)
    "toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them."

    FINALLY!
  • I might consider it... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:46PM (#16018999)
    ...but 1.5 turned me off to Mozilla. Konqueror loads a lot faster, and uses less memory.
  • Tabs will be broken (Score:5, Insightful)

    by anagama (611277) <`thepotter' `at' `yahoo.com'> on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:46PM (#16019000)
    (http://clintonhawk.net/)
    Looks like Firefox drank the coolaid and opted for the tab closing button on each tab, thus presenting a moving target for closing tabs. I hope they make single button an option a least.
    • Solution. by FishWithAHammer (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:49PM
      • Re:Solution. by DoktorSeven (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:55PM
        • Re:Solution. by DoktorSeven (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:57PM
        • Re:Solution. by Frymaster (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:10PM
          • Re:Solution. by Silverstrike (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:15PM
            • Re:Solution. by aurelian (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:20PM
            • Re:Solution. by Single GNU Theory (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:30PM
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            • Re:Solution. by anagama (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @06:18PM
              • Re:Solution. by ElleyKitten (Score:2) Friday September 01 2006, @09:52AM
        • Re:Solution. by kalirion (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:12PM
        • Re:Solution. by FishWithAHammer (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @06:52PM
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      • Re:Solution. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jfengel (409917) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:56PM (#16019117)
        (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday November 03 2003, @03:59PM)
        It's not a question of closing multiple tabs. It's the fact that if you want to close the current tab, you have to hunt it down visually, rather than going to the same place in the window no matter what tab you're viewing.

        We're talking about a difference of perhaps a tenth of a second, but of such microscopic units of time are human-factors decisions made. Interfaces are all about developing habits, and things that make it hard to form habits interfere with smooth operation. Maybe the new interface would make different and better habits; maybe not. I didn't think so, but YMMV.
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      • Re:Solution. by Kelson (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:20PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken (Score:5, Informative)

      by .killedkenny (589139) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM (#16019064)
      -Red X (Close Button)-
      Some people were frustrated that Mozilla added a close button to every tab which resulted in an extension that removed those close buttons. Well, you no longer need to get an extension to remove those pesky X's, in fact there are multiple options that you can do now: display a close button on the active tab only, display close buttons on all tabs, don't display any close buttons, and display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). Here is how you can customize the placement:

            1. Start Firefox.
            2. In the Address Bar type "about:config" and press Enter.
            3. Right-Click and select New->Integer.
            4. A box requesting the Preference Name will popup and you should enter "browser.tabs.closeButtons" (without the quotes). Press OK to continue.
            5. Now you need to select the type of close button you want: 0 - display a close button on the active tab only, 1 - display close buttons on all tabs, 2 - don't display any close buttons, and 3 - display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). After entering the value corresponding to your preference press OK again.
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    • Re:Tabs will be broken by Captain Splendid (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM
      • Re:Tabs will be broken (Score:5, Informative)

        by ZeroExistenZ (721849) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:01PM (#16019175)
        What about the middle button-click on the tab? (mostly using the clickable scrollbutton on your mouse)

        It took a bit of adjustment, but middleclicking a link to open it in a new tab is really easy; in the case of slashdot I just load the comments I want to read, or the article while I browse on until I decide to go more in depth or reply without losing where you were.

        When finished, I just middle-click the tab. It dramatically speeds up the browsing experience if you're used to using your mouse alot. (once I'm actually with both hands on my keyboard I tend to switch to keyboard shortcuts. But it's tedious to get to the right links using TAB)
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      • Re:Tabs will be broken by Odin_Tiger (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:11PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by bigbigbison (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:54PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by Blaskowicz (Score:3) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:55PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by nithinsujir (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @03:57PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by dorath (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:04PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by el borak (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:07PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by minuszero (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:43PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by Overly Critical Guy (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:46PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by fossa (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @05:31PM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by ElleyKitten (Score:2) Friday September 01 2006, @09:48AM
    • Re:Tabs will be broken by anagama (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @06:26PM
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  • greetings from the year 3000 (Score:5, Funny)

    by User 956 (568564) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:46PM (#16019006)
    (http://www.atomjax.com/)
    New Firefox 2 feature: Inline spell checking -- A new built-in spell checker enables users to quickly check the spelling of text entered into Web forms.

    But will this detect antiquated Elglish, such as when people use "ask" instead of "ax"?
  • NSIS (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Trillan (597339) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM (#16019058)
    (http://pyile.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 19 2006, @01:33PM)
    I hadn't heard that Firefox was switching to NSIS.

    Was the old installer Mozilla-specific code?

    Either way, the switch sounds like a good idea. The old installer had its issues, and focusing on the browser and improving an existing (and already quite reasonable) installer is a great idea.
    • Re:NSIS by Jake73 (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:24PM
      • Re:NSIS by Trillan (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:47PM
      • Re:NSIS by Kelson (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:53PM
        • Re:NSIS by Mad Merlin (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @07:30PM
    • Re:NSIS by Shawn is an Asshole (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:41PM
      • Re:NSIS by Compholio (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @06:25PM
        • Re:NSIS by Shawn is an Asshole (Score:2) Saturday September 02 2006, @01:37AM
  • Does it still hog memory? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheWoozle (984500) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:52PM (#16019071)
    Anyway, Opera has most of these "new" features, and consumes fewer resources. I switched, and haven't looked back.
  • More like opera? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:56PM (#16019110)
    Reading over the new features mentioned and looking over the screenshots, it looks like Firefox is starting to look like Opera. The interesting thing is that Firefox started of with the concept of having a completely minimal browser where the extensions are used to customize it to the user. However, now it just seems like their copying the concepts that a bunch of popular extensions introduced (or copied from other browsers like Opera) and incorporating them into the core because they want to either improve their performance or manage the memory leaks or whatnot that 3rd party extensions cause.

    On some level, it's nice, but the one thing I prefer about extensions is that their feature/fix rate is fairly more frequent than Firefox's. It will be interesting to see where Firefox is 5 years from now.
  • Hmmm... lets see (Score:2, Funny)

    by El Lobo (994537) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:56PM (#16019111)
    For instance, toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them.
    Great functionality. Can't live without it!
    Built-in phishing protection
    Wow, pure innovation. I've never seen anything like that
    Search term suggestions will now appear as users type in the integrated search box when using the Google, Yahoo! or Answers.com
    Hello!! MSN user here!
    Resuming your browsing session
    Pure genius. How did they invented that?
    Inline spell checking
    Dot'n need thtat! Ohh.. and everything for the great price of... 675 Mb in memory when 7 tabs are open simultaniously!
  • cookies (Score:2, Insightful)

    by the_wesman (106427) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:02PM (#16019183)
    (http://1-800-where-the-white-women-at.com/)
    am I the only one who thinks that cookie management blows in firefox? I mean, it's certainly worse in IE, but it's far from great and I haven't seen any enhancements to it in any recent versions (though I may just be blind or crazy, though not too likely) - sometimes, you go to a site for the first time and I've got FF set to prompt on cookies, so I say "hell no I don't want a cookie" then the site says "sorry, bro, this site doesn't work without cookies" so then I have to go digging around the block/allow list for cookies to try to find the right one so I can remove it from the blocked list so I can try to get into the page. considering that most of the people that use firefox are probably nerds and probably aware of things like cookies and probably are more likely to do things about them (like selectively allowing them) it is suprising to me that cookie management is so difficult inside this application - does anyone else agree?
    • Re:cookies by skadus (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:16PM
    • Re:cookies by kakalaky (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:18PM
    • Re:cookies by Kelson (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:28PM
    • Re:cookies by ben there... (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @07:02PM
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  • One of the improvements (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Excors (807434) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:10PM (#16019251)

    Instead of ftp.mozilla.org, try the mirror page [mozilla.org] – currently it seems to list beta 1, but you should be able to modify the download URL to get the en-US beta 2 [mozilla.com].

    One small area that has had a reasonable amount of improvement in Firefox 2 is canvas [whatwg.org] support – I've been working on a canvas-based FPS engine [lazyilluminati.com] and get about 50% better performance in FF2 than in FF1.5, as well as lots of fixed bugs and memory leaks.

    Most major changes (like the new graphics infrastructure that'll help provide hardware accelerated rendering, full-page zooming, HTML inside SVG [mozillazine.org], better printing, etc) are being left for Firefox 3, but FF2 seems like a solid improvement over the previous version.

    The canvas is actually a nice example of progress on the web. After too many years with very little going on, the major modern browsers developers (Mozilla, Opera, Apple) are working in the WHATWG [whatwg.org] to add new features – it's a balance between proprietary extensions and W3C-style specifications, with browsers implementing features at the same time as the spec is being written and guiding its development. There's room for competition between browsers in terms of feature support, and we don't have to wait years for the standards to be completed first – but it's hopefully without the old problems of those features being proprietary and poorly designed. For example, Opera 9 supports much of Web Forms 2.0 [whatwg.org] and the Mozilla developers are just starting work on it too; and it's also designed to be backward-compatible, so the new forms are still usable in all browsers and can be emulated in some (e.g. IE) with JavaScript. Firefox 2 seems to be the first browser with client-side session and persistent storage [whatwg.org], but web sites written to benefit from that feature will be able to immediately work with future versions of e.g. Opera that support it too.

    With the popularity of trends like AJAX encouraging people to think about new ways to interact with users over the web, and browsers adding features to expand the possibilities open to web developers, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.

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  • Yawn (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:10PM (#16019252)
    Really...THESE kind of "features" are considered a major version upgrade?

    I repeat...

    YAWN!!!

    Why can't a god damned browser do what it is supposed to? JUST FUCKING BROWSE???
    • Re:Yawn by Kelson (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @05:02PM
    • Re:Yawn by solaraddict (Score:1) Friday September 01 2006, @03:37AM
      • Re:Yawn by Goaway (Score:2) Friday September 01 2006, @02:21PM
  • by Matt Perry (793115) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:11PM (#16019278)
    I put this in my userChrome.css file a while back to make the current tab stand out more. From the screenshot it looks like I won't need this trick any more.
    /*
      * Make un-selected tabs less visible.
      */
    #browser tab:not([selected="true"]) {
      color: #777 !important;
    }
    #browser tab:not([selected="true"]) .tab-icon,
    #browser tab:not([selected="true"]) .tabs-closebutton {
      opacity: 0.5;
    }
  • by feelafel (228034) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:13PM (#16019299)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Please use the mirror infrastructure, not the direct link to the FTP site. You can get your builds easily at:

      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-beta.h tml [mozilla.org]

    as soon as they are officially relased (which should be in a few minutes!)
  • Seems a bit more responsive (Score:3, Interesting)

    by pcause (209643) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:15PM (#16019314)
    Been using today and it seems more responsive than Beta 1 and after a day a bit more reliable. Quick look seems to indicate that it uses less memory. Lots of add ins won't work with this and we should (hopefully) see a bunch of updates soon so that we can get our favorite add ins back!

    The new tabs look nicer. I hate the "go" button and haven't figured how to turn it off, but I'm sure someone will create a theme without it.

  • This is INCORRECT (Score:5, Informative)

    by asa (33102) <asa@mozilla.org> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:26PM (#16019401)
    (http://mozilla.org/)
    We have not yet released Firefox 2 Beta 2. This story is incorrect.

    - Asa
  • yippee!! (Score:1)

    by larry bagina (561269) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:30PM (#16019435)
    (Last Journal: Friday October 19, @09:21PM)
    I hope they finally support CDATA. Anybody know for sure? Until they do, I'll have to stick with Opera.
    • Bugs by bunratty (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:56PM
      • Re:Bugs by larry bagina (Score:1) Thursday August 31 2006, @09:28PM
        • Re:Bugs by bunratty (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @09:34PM
  • Phishing Protection (Score:4, Funny)

    by AeroIllini (726211) <aeroilliniNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:32PM (#16019450)
    Built-Phishing Protection:

    WARNING:

    The man you are about to converse with is not really a high ranking General in the Nigerian army, he does not really have a rich uncle who died tragically in a plane crash in Siberia, and he absolutely DOES NOT have $53.4 million dollars to smuggle out of Nigeria for his uncle's poor orphaned children. You will not get 30%. Trust us.

    ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?

    +----+ +--------+
    | OK | | CANCEL |
    +----+ +--------+
  • Faster?? (Score:2)

    by Blahbooboo3 (874492) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:34PM (#16019465)
    Is it just me, or it feels MUCH faster than 1.5. Did they tweak things to improve speed?
    • Re:Faster?? by bunratty (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @09:41PM
      • Re:Faster?? by Blahbooboo3 (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @10:10PM
  • Scrolling tabs? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AeroIllini (726211) <aeroilliniNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:39PM (#16019511)
    FTFA:
    Power users who open more tabs than can fit in a single window will see arrows on the left and right side of the tab strip that let them scroll back and forth between their tabs.


    Am I the only person who thinks this is a stupid and counter-productive idea? When was the last time you (the population of /., the proported "power users") actually clicked on the up and down arrows to scroll, anywhere outside a Flash application that forces you? It takes forever! I usually use the middle mouse button, click in the middle scroll area to jump, or click and drag the scroll handle.

    I like the idea of having more tabs than window space, but fer cryin' out loud, two scroll buttons are not the way to handle it. How about multiple rows of tabs? Or right click + drag to scroll back and forth? Or a drop down menu of tabs?

    I thought we all agreed that Flash applications that break scrolling are a Bad Thing (tm).
  • 64 bit? (Score:2)

    by SteveAyre (209812) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:55PM (#16019639)
    Excellent. I tried 1.5 in beta, I might try this version out too.

    But do they have official 64 bit support yet?
  • Linux builds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Trogre (513942) on Thursday August 31 2006, @05:05PM (#16019715)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Have they done anything to fix performance on linux builds?

    It's sad watching FF on a dual boot system run significantly slower under linux than under window on the same machine. Especially when other linux applications fly.

    And it's not even just DNS lookups. Simply switching tabs can take up to a second (?!) under linux whereas under windows it's 0.2 seconds (the perceived direct interaction threshold for most people).

  • Hmmm (Score:1)

    by DumbparameciuM (772788) on Thursday August 31 2006, @05:13PM (#16019787)
    (http://www.lmgl.nglnetworks.com/)
    These features seem familiar somehow.... Could it be because Opera has had them for ages??? Worst. Release. Ever.
  • I keep asking ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tumbleweed (3706) * on Thursday August 31 2006, @05:20PM (#16019844)
    (http://tumbleweed.smugmug.com/)
    ... where's the multithreaded UI?! Gah.

    (Yes, 'Gah.' I went there.)
  • Google suggestions (Score:2)

    by claes (25551) on Thursday August 31 2006, @06:05PM (#16020140)
    The new beta has search suggestions for google. Press Ctrl-K and enter some characters. Suggestions will appear. Enter sla and slashdot will be suggested, together with slavery and slackware.
    However, enter sex, and nothing more will be suggested. Enter the f-word : equally silent. Enter the f-word, although in swedish, and see a long list of suggestions.
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  • IE (Score:1)

    by kurtis25 (909650) on Thursday August 31 2006, @06:16PM (#16020211)
    Yes but can this set fire to the internet community and out fox IE??? that my friend is the question,
  • More features? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Korin43 (881732) on Thursday August 31 2006, @08:12PM (#16020829)
    (http://www.rulingwars.net/)
    Can we have less features and just bug-fixes? I mean, the reason I used Firefox in the first place was because it was tiny. Don't go making it into Netscape again..
  • by xDCDx (635101) on Thursday August 31 2006, @08:36PM (#16020948)
    I'm using Win XP with the Windows Classic theme (rather than XP one), and Firefox 1.5 looks as beautiful as ever, but Firefox 2b2 looks horrible. It looks good on the XP theme, but a *lot* of work should be done for the classic one.

    See it for yourself:
    1.5 [imageshack.us]
    2b2 [imageshack.us]

    Even the new icons look ugly using Window's classic theme.
  • by sethstorm (512897) * on Thursday August 31 2006, @08:48PM (#16021021)
    (http://www.building26.org/)
    What's with this bug [mozilla.org] in mozilla, since getting gcc and vacpp to coexist in the first place will break things despite the best care taken to avoid it.
  • by occamboy (583175) on Thursday August 31 2006, @10:08PM (#16021456)
    Does it still have the 100% CPU utilization FEATURE that 1.5 has [mozillazine.org]? I'd hate to lose the thrill of my system turning into a seized engine in quicksand... or the thrill of my less-computer-literate friends and relatives calling me for help on unfreezing their systems...
  • FC5 (Score:1)

    by spx (855431) on Thursday August 31 2006, @11:20PM (#16021783)
    If it works with FC5, and I dont get the bs errors cant connect to server, blah blah, then Im all okay for trying it out, its a pain to swap browsers after being with one for so long.
  • by angrylinuxuser (999377) on Friday September 01 2006, @02:38AM (#16022438)
    i hope WMV is intergrated for us linux users i am tired of going through,well heck just trying to watch a simple video.I really wish those microsoft BAS****s would give us an plugin as a trade off for mozilla in vista.
  • by idlake (850372) on Friday September 01 2006, @04:23AM (#16022733)
    If it's "developer only", it's an alpha release. If it's a "beta release" of an end user application, the term implies that it's for end users.
  • by vinn01 (178295) on Friday September 01 2006, @09:42AM (#16023955)
    Would be a nice privacy boost.

    It would lessen the need to save history for sites that I currently don't want to bookmark for privacy reasons. I could include history in "Clear Private Data".
  • Page Zoom? (Score:2)

    by Sleepy (4551) on Friday September 01 2006, @09:53AM (#16024027)
    (http://127.0.0.1/)
    I hope Page Zoom makes it into the FF2 feature set.

    I still use FireFox every day on my PC, but Opera and IE7 has a a REAL page Zoom (not just simple text-resize like FF).

    Page Zoom is important on larger-screen hi-res displays. Opera 9.01 is really usable on a 42" display, from 5 feet away, running at 1920x1080 (HTPC setup). FireFox would only be usable if I keep changing the resolution to a much lower res.

    The real problem of course is Windows and Linux don't have solid, consistent and well-supported methods for adapting to displays that aren't 72dpi. The OS doesn't know how to scale the UI to different DPIs, as you expect a printer to do. When you change resolution, things should simply be *sharper* but the same size (well, not always the same size or the resolution can be wasted, but you know what I mean).

    I realize I'm trivializing the problems in the technology. Until it's fixed, multimedia apps (including browsers) can hack around the problem by offering scaling mechanisms. WinAMP does it. Opera's 200% zoom rocks.

    But really, is the browser so important anymore now that there is competition? It's pretty amazing how much better IE7 is than the older versions (and I am a web UI developer who hated IE). Not perfect, but lots better. It's really a crime though if you think how Microsoft abused their market share from 1999-2006 and basically did NOTHING with CSS and standards. I'm convinced if MS remained competitive during that time, the web would be far better a place today, technology-wise.
  • by bigbigbison (104532) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:50PM (#16019041)
    (http://www.popularculturegaming.com/)
    A beta was unstable and not ready for daily use? That's umpossible!

    Seriously, beta 1 was unstable for me as well until I realized that it was because of a couple extensions that I had installed with the nightly tester tool that were crashing it. Since I removed those I haven't had any trouble with beta 1.
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  • Re:Guess what (Score:2)

    by ack154 (591432) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM (#16019057)
    Uh... ya. Duh.

    I really hope you're not actually surprised by this. Any update to Firefox ever has broken a few extensions (or all of them). Give the developers of those extensions a little time why don't you? It's still a beta anyways.

    And if you're still using one that there isn't a developer for anymore... well... too bad I guess. You don't HAVE to update.
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  • Re:Testing? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Trillan (597339) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:55PM (#16019103)
    (http://pyile.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 19 2006, @01:33PM)
    You must have incredible lung capacity. If I'd held my breath waiting for Internet Explorer 7 I'd have been dead for just over five years now.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Testing? by rbarreira (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:09PM
      • Re:Testing? by Trillan (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:23PM
        • Re:Testing? by rbarreira (Score:2) Thursday August 31 2006, @04:50PM
  • by SlashMaster (62630) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:08PM (#16019237)
    I run Firefox on WinXP & Fedora Core 5:

    FWIIW, my firefox 1.5.0.4 still crashes in updated Fedora Core 5 OS everytime that I load it up with a few too many tabs or whenever it feels like it ( i.e. If I do something like interrupt an operation such as stopping a heavilyladen pdf from displaying.

    BTW, I don't have this issue in WinXP using 1.5.0.6 ... (The linux distro at 1.5.0.4 was recently updated also ).
    [ Parent ]
  • by muszek (882567) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:17PM (#16019334)
    (http://www.ubuntunews.info/)
    Here's another idiotic comment: Opera is better, it's already version 9 (and no, I don't use FF either, but spending 20 seconds on writing "I don't use it, I don't give a damn" wouldn't even cross my mind). I thought first posts are moderated somehow (in a "lame, moved down" way).
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  • It's not public yet. When it is ready to be released they'll have it mirrored across many servers. Announcing it early like this causes an effective DDOS on the mozilla server.
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  • by Vexorian (959249) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:28PM (#16019421)
    I am still using firefox 2 alpha (Bon Echo) Should try later, but this one (bon echo) has to be the most stable firefox version ever. Even the exploit that worked on 1.5.0.6 didn't work here.
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  • by Excors (807434) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:59PM (#16019667)

    It's a roughly similar situation to <img> and <object> – you lose out on accessibility and on the ability to work in the widest possible range of browsers, but there are sensible fallbacks so you can provide an alternative implementation for those who can't see it. If a web developer doesn't want to provide an alternative implementation, then it's no worse than if they used Flash or AJAX or image maps or table layouts or 7pt font sizes and didn't care about everyone who couldn't see it properly. For those who do care about separating content and presentation, it's not much worse than img – all you need is <canvas id="dynamic_interactive_graph"><img src="static_graph_fallback.png" alt="Graph of global warming increasing as number of pirates decreases"></canvas> with the canvas scripting code split into a separate file in the same way that the static image data is split into a separate file.

    Given that the canvas tag is already supported in three browsers (who agreed it was worth implementing) and has a written specification, it's a sign of much more cooperation than existed in the time of Netscape vs Microsoft.

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  • You're kidding.

    I have had two long-standing really annoying bugs in FF 1.x that I think were solved in 2.0b1.

    On Linux, when you have the browser open and use it extensively for several days on end without closing it, eventually it wacks out: When you click a link it will open it in a new window, but not a "normal" browser window -- the tab where it should be is still in the main window, and the new window doesn't have any FF controls, but is otherwise functional. The tab in the main window doesn't respond, but you can still access other tabs. When you close the new window, Firefox immediately crashes.

    I've been running 2.0b1 for a couple weeks, and have not had that bug. It has *never* crashed. However, my electricity did go out a couple times, so I'm not 100% sure I had the browser open long enough to trigger the bug, but I *think* I did.

    Also on one forum I use, there's a little animated happy-jumpy smiley. After a couple days of being open, FF1 stopped animating it. (I know, boo hoo.) So far, FF2 has not done that.

    So, I'm pretty happy about FF2, even in the beta1 stage. I can honestly say that for me it has been significantly *more* stable than prior "stable" versions.
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  • 2.0 b1 doesn't crash for me, try disabling some extensions.

    It DOES, however, refuse to run on Vista. Hopefully this release includes fixes for that.

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