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Samsung Introduces Phone With Hard Drive 241

Posted by timothy from the can-you-store-me-now dept.
swight1701 writes "It is being reported that Samsung has shown what it claims is the world's first mobile phone that incorporates a hard drive. The model, V5400, is integrated with a 1" hard drive with 1.5GB of capacity. Other features of the phone include - 2.2" LCD display, an MP3 player, electronic book reader, and Korean-English dictionary. Samsung has also included a built-in microphone to enhance the audio in the phone's camcorder feature. The included dual-speakers allow the user to listen to music with a 3D appeal." loid_void adds a link to this Reuters story, too.
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  • Tetris (Score:4, Funny)

    by vurg ( 639307 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:11PM (#10183486)
    Look at my phone it has Tetris on it. Nope, that's the defragmenter.
  • But the costs of this technology are too prohibitive for anyone to buy one as a serious tool, only people with too much money to spend will be getting one until the costs have come down enough for it to be widely available.

    It's amazing how the GB per £ keeps going up for new 'toys' The benefits being that as other technologies progress, 'old' models also drop in price allowing the wider marker reasonable access

    • Re:Cost (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      But the costs of this technology are too prohibitive for anyone to buy one as a serious tool

      You meant but instead of as, right? : p
    • I'm holding out on buying a portable hard drive MP3 player or a PDA until they're all combined together with a phone and a camera, and include a good sized hard drive. This is the next logical step, and more affordable and practical units are now closer than ever.

  • Uh-Oh (Score:5, Funny)

    by irokitt ( 663593 ) <archimandrites-iaur@@@yahoo...com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:11PM (#10183494)
    So what you're saying is that this cell phone has one more component with a marked propensity for failure than the competitor's does?
    • Then again, the phone function might work just fine without the HD. At least I hope they did it that way. I don't see why making a call would require the drive, and it would suck battery juice.

      • You read my mind...

        features:

        5 megapixel camera with video capability

        mp3/ogg/mpg... player

        PIM features with voice recognition

        Voice memos

        e-mail / web browsing

        TiVo functionality

        blog hosting

        wireless access point

        BitStream client/peer

        SETI client

        holographic user inteface

        2 sec. standby time

        1.7 sec. talk time

        Maybe they could put a kinetic drive in there, you know, like in those watches. I'd pay to see someone do calistenics while driving their car and talking on this sucker.

  • Most important feature.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Jason1729 ( 561790 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:12PM (#10183498)
    Can it survive being dropped?

    I've dropped my Nokia 5100 series about 5 feet from ear level to concrete several times. Except for a few scuffs (mostly on the battery, it must be the heaviest part), it's survived perfectly.

    I doubt a phone with a hard drive can survive that kind of abuse.

    Jason
    ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
    • One other solution to this would be to try really, really hard not to drop it. This actually kind of applies to *anything* with a hard drive in it.

      • Re:Most important feature.. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <sv.dude@gmail.com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:16PM (#10183579) Homepage Journal
        Or have have a built-in accelerometer that detects sudden changes, and pauses the drive, like recent Thinkpads.
        • You mean they park the drive heads when they detect, say, they've just entered freefall? Nifty; is that a feature of the specific HD's they use or what?
          • Yes, they park the heads whenever the accelerometer shows freefall or what not. The drive is a regular drive; the accelerometer is built in to the computer. Look up any new ThinkPad (like the X31) on http://ibm.com. The more expensive models would have this.

      • Re:Most important feature.. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Jason1729 ( 561790 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:21PM (#10183649)
        It's a phone, it's meant to be thrown around. It's built to take that kind of abuse because the manufacturer understood how people use cell phones. I have no trouble with dropping my powerbook, but then quite often I leave the PB home because I know I'm going somewhere it might get banged around.

        I've never dropped my PDA, but it spends a lot of time in my backback which gets thrown around. If it had a hard drive, it also wouldn't survive.

        If I have to leave the cellphone home because I'm worried it might get damaged, then it's completely useless.

        Jason
        ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

        • Re:Most important feature.. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @09:32PM (#10184914)
          Personally, I would have thought an MP3 player with a hard drive was an equally bad idea. That's why I own an a solid state model. But whenever this topic is raised, iPod owners come out of the woodwork to tell about using them for exercise, dropping them, whatever, without damage. I can only conclude that hard drives (especially these little low-mass ones) aren't so fragile after all.

          Also note that the phone's disk drive will be deactivated almost all the time - there's no reason to run it constantly, and it would kill the standby time. This reduces the risk even more.

    • Re:Most important feature.. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Darth McBride ( 749942 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:23PM (#10183682)
      Why would anyone use a 1.5GB hard drive when you can put an 1GB SD card [newegg.com] in for $98? Surely the flash memory would do much better in drop tests and be more portable for use in REAL digital cameras and REAL MP3 players...
      • I was thinking the exact same thing. I mean I think it's getting close to the point where something like the mini iPod could just be compact flash and not a HD. Of course there will always be want for huge amounts of storage and won't render useles the hard drives (at least not in the near future). But I envision that it will morph into flash memory at least in part of the productline. I would think phones, needing to be even smaller will do just the same. The limiting factor in how small it could be w
      • The HDD is faster and able to be written more times?
        • Yeah... I know my phone supports SATA 150. Wouldn't want to waste all that potential speed.
          • PocketPCs are now ~600MHz. Phones will be that powerful in only a generation or two, to make use of the higher bandwidth available on the networks we'll be using by then. We hope. Then it will be worth it to have faster storage. I'm not sure it's worth it now, you can store low-res video to SD in realtime.

        • 21st Century mobility (Score:5, Informative)

          by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @09:35PM (#10184934) Homepage Journal
          A 1GB SD card is faster than a mechanical, for reading or writing. And in a phone, it will accumulate "burned out" bits (after 1M writes) slower than a HD accumulates bad inodes. And it's a lot tougher when you drop it, while drawing a lot less power, generating less heat, and using less space. Although the gyroscopic HD might have some advantages turning the phone into a force-feedback 3D mouse.
      • One possible explanation is that Samsung wants to use bigger hard drives in the future, and are using this design as a 'proof of concept' sort of thing. Hard drive capacities scale much faster than flash memory (or at least they have), so its very likely that, using this now-perfected technology, Samsung will be able to have phones with several gigabytes of memory for much cheaper than they would be otherwise.
    • Isn't it the same kind of drive that is used in the iPod Mini, MuVo 2 and the like? I don't think it is a problem. That's not to say there isn't a risk. I don't know about the others, but at least iPod tries to cache a lot and avoid using the drive as much as possible
    • It seems the same problem and it's hard to imagine that people don't drop their Ipods nearly as often as their cell phones.

      I'm unemployed and, therefore, too poor to buy an Ipod. Else I would be able to answer the question from first hand experience. ( I drop everything )
    • I've dropped my Nokia 5100 series about 5 feet from ear level to concrete several times. Except for a few scuffs (mostly on the battery, it must be the heaviest part), it's survived perfectly.

      Me too. Well, from 3 ft. But it gave out after the third drop or so.

      Even without a hard drive, a cell phone isn't really designed to be dropped all that much.
    • Just today I found out how much of a beating a HDD based MP3 player can withstand. I had just recently unplugged my shiney new 4th generation iPod[1] from the stereo and was trying to throw it on my bed before walking into my roommates room. I tossed the little bugger underhand and it ended up hitting a pillow and bouncing off, slamming right into the wall and falling behind the bed.

      I freaked out. I quickly pulled out the bed and grabbed the iPod and started inspecting it. The metalic back side had a fe
    • These aren't normal hard disks, but proper portable models. That doesn't sound like a difference, but they're made to be able to stand being moved (quite violently) during use. I think you'd be surprised by how robust they actually are.

  • Is this a phone? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by elgatozorbas ( 783538 )
    It also has a TV output. Makes me wonder what will be the evolution of the integration of stuff. A calendar/camers/notebook(let)/... may be handy, but won't there ever be a moment where integration should/will stop?
    Z

    • Re:Is this a phone? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Rei ( 128717 )
      No.

      Must... have.... larger.... featureset....

      I look forward to the day when a simple handheld device can do pretty much anything. I'd like to see standardized incorporation of GPS into a net-capable portable phone. Talk about redefining mobile gaming... you could even have a virtual map of your city, and any friends not set to "invisible" would show up in their actual locations. It would be great! :)
      • J2ME (the mobile Java standard) already includes a general location API which handles any type of positioning system, be it tower triangulation, GPS, or whatever. All we need is the hardware.
      • This is one step closer to what I want...

        I want a Linux-based PDA-phone (GSM) with a keyboard (something like the Zaurus, only a little sleeker and more compact) with a 20GB+ hard drive, a real USB 2 port (and have it behave like a USB hard drive when plugged in), and 802.11b or better interface on it.

        This is a HUGE step in the right direction. I want to carry only one damn device that does everything I need (play my Ogg's, surf the web, check emails, SSH to my web server, manage my calendar and contacts)
      • In Sweden, where I live, I know of at least two services that let you see where your friends/co-workers are (the "victims" have to agree to letting you see them before you can do so) if their mobile phone is turned on. You don't need GPS for this, at least not in areas with good coverage.
    • The thing I can't get over is that it comes with an ebook reader! On a 2.2" screen!! Reading ebooks on a PDA screen is bad enough - reading books on a phone would be close to torture ...

  • Oh good (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:12PM (#10183508)
    Music through speakers the size of a dime, thats gotta sound great. Whatever happened to doing one thing and doing it well?

    • correction: two speakers the size of a dime

    • Re:Oh good (Score:5, Informative)

      by ctid ( 449118 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:23PM (#10183686) Homepage
      Whatever happened to doing one thing and doing it well?

      To understand this sort of thing, you have to accept that everyone in Europe (and I suspect the Far East) has a mobile and carries it everywhere . Actually, that's not true but it's very close, and the younger the person, the more likely they will be to have a phone (down to a point, of course). As far as electronic devices that you carry all the time are concerned, the mobile phone won. In the UK at least, you may well see people with PDAs, but everyone has a phone. Therefore, there is a market for phones which do more. Given that people will always carry their phone, there is the potential for the phone to assimilate the MP3 player, for example. Or the PDA. Or a radio. Or a walkie-talkie. I'm sure you get the general idea. Like it or not, manufacturers have finally found an electronic device that most people want to carry with them all the time.
      • Wowowowow

        Insightful

        I can't deal with this information! I am from America, where everyone has a mobile (we call them cell phones) and carries it everywhere.

        eh, nevermind.

        • Seriously, is this true now? I was pretty sure that a few years ago take-up of mobiles in the US was lower because of the lousy terms of service you had to put up with. Was that an urban myth? Or was it true but everyone in the US now carries them anyway?

    • Re:Oh good (Score:3, Informative)

      by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 )
      That depends. A lot of people seem to have taken to the earbud phones. Depending on the model, even a good share of headphone audiophiles use them. That doesn't mean they are for me though.
      • One would think that you could get pretty good results using technology similar to noise-cancelling headphones, except using multiple speaker elements to achieve better quality in those earbud headphones.
    • "Whatever happened to doing one thing and doing it well?"

      If you look at the phone reviews over at http://www.howardchui.com/ [howardchui.com] then you'll notice that many of the phones that have "excess" bells and whistles also have excellent RF reception. My Nokia 3650, for instance, both synced without issue via Bluetooth with iSync on my Mac OS X box, but also performed admirably as a phone. Imagine that.
    • Music through speakers the size of a dime, thats gotta sound great. Whatever happened to doing one thing and doing it well?

      I'm sure there are headphones available. I, for one, would certainly buy an all-in-one device, as soon as they build one that fits my needs and my budget. It certainly makes more sense than carrying half a dozen individual gadgets for making phone calls, getting information off the web, listening to music, taking notes, etc.

    • Argg why is it whenever there is a article like this someone mentions that they think phones should just be phones, AND GET MODDED UP TO 5!!!

      Go look at the available phones, unless your area is something amazingly special, you will find cheap simple and effective phones that really are just that. At most they'll have a few alarm and meeting/memo functionalities, but these in NO WAY get in the way of the phones functionality.

      The high tech cutting edge phones that you hear about on /. are here cos they are

  • Gotta love the featureset! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Rei ( 128717 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:12PM (#10183514) Homepage
    I don't care about the mp3 player, but it's about time I had a phone with a Korean-English dictionary! Now I just need a translation of the Magna Carta to swahili and a random selection of quotes from "Moby Dick", and I'll be set.

  • But can it make a phone call? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by erick99 ( 743982 ) <homerun@gmail.com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:13PM (#10183523)
    The Samsung handset also features an FM radio, 64-voice polyphonic ringtone support, a 240 x 320 display and TV output - again, preparing the way for the day when mobiles incorporate Microsoft Portable Media Center-style functionality.

    Most of the time I am just trying to maintain a clear enough signal to complete a call.

    Cheers,

    Erick

  • Why not Flash? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BlastM ( 663010 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:14PM (#10183526) Journal
    Hard drives are fragile, especially for portable devices. A better solution would have been 1.5GB of solid state memory like an included Secure Digital card slot, or built in Compact Flash. Why was a hard drive chosen? I have a feeling this is all a gimmick to satisfy the new HDD craze that Apple has driven.
    • Why not flash? Well, considering how vulnerable flash memory of all types is to filesystem corruption if its read/write operations are interrupted, I'd much rather have the reliability of a hard drive. Should writes be interrupted, even for a second, you have the possibility of losing all of your data. This has happened to me dozens of times with various complact flash formats, operating systems and cameras, to the point that I wait a few seconds even after the read light has gone off before even conside

    • Re:Why not Flash? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TheUnFounded ( 731123 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @09:02PM (#10184702)
      I have a feeling this is all a gimmick to satisfy the new HDD craze that Apple has driven.

      You know, I sincerely doubt that any greater than 2% of the population has a clue that the iPod uses a HDD. All anyone in the general population cares about is "hey, this thing can hold X days of music and still have room for X pictures!!"
    • I imagine it's to do with speed, and the fact that solid state has limited writes/rewrites.

      Portable hard disks aren't as fragile as you think. After all, iPods use them, and I still have a working 1st gen iPod from about 3 years ago, and that's been across to the states a few times, round europe, everywhere, and I'm not the most careful owner :)

  • The included dual-speakers allow the user to listen to music with a 3D appeal.
    Translation: Look Ma! We've got Stereo!

  • Stealth & Surveillance (Score:2, Interesting)

    by The-Bus ( 138060 )
    Reminds me of the guy that rigged his ex-wife's/ex-girlfriend's phone in such a way that it would turn-on anytime it moved. He planted it under her car and was able to track her movements via GPS.

    How easy will it be to hack this phone to become a miniature security camera? Just place a couple of them around --- pretty inconspicuous since they're just phones. I'm sure it can be done with current tech, this device just seems to combine all those things into a mass-market product.
    • Yup--just great...

      Pervies around the world are jumping for joy--now they can not only take pictures of you changing in the locker room after your workout while they "check their voicemail"--now they can get full motion video with sound too! Oh joy!

      Doesn't take too many of them to get cellphone use completely banned--the gym I go to already tells you to not to bother bringing them in--if staff sees someone using it they apparently confiscate it from you until you are ready to leave. I'm sure cinemas and
    • What makes this phone specially adept at that? We've had phones for years with cameras and bluetooth - surely that's all you need to capture and stream data from them. Heck, it's a phone - it can send the data via the cellular network. A hard disk isn't going to be much use in that scenario :)

  • Pics (Score:5, Informative)

    by AresTheImpaler ( 570208 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:15PM (#10183556)
    There is a picture here [tecchannel.de]
  • is it possible to make phone calls with this thing?
  • between cell phones and computers. This thing has a processor, an embedded os and a hard drive. It's on a network, it's got a keyboard and color display.
    • between cell phones and computers. This thing has a processor, an embedded os and a hard drive. It's on a network, it's got a keyboard and color display.

      I have an OLD Sony Ericsson T610.

      It has a processor, embedded OS, bluetooth, keypad, and a color display.

      It doesn't have a hard drive.

      HOLY COW, this phone is a REVOLUTION!

      I'm getting my flying car tomorrow!

  • I know that Motorola [slashdot.org] was the phone manufacturer that's in bed with apple, but jeez, if I could have only 1.5 GB, and still have my iTunes... without carrying my small, but still tangible iPod... I'd be rather happy :-)

  • Bettery life will go to hell, why not flash? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cft_128 ( 650084 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:17PM (#10183584)
    Nothing like moving parts to send battery life down the toilet, not to mention reliability. I'm not an expert, but with 2GB of flash ram (0.5GB more than the HD) being about $150 street [dealram.com] you would think an $800 dollar phone would use it.
    • Not all memory is created equal. Solid state memory doesn't last as long as a hard disk, and isn't as fast. If they need storage that's going to be written/read from frequently, and as fast as possible, flash ram would be a nasty idea ;)

      Reliability isn't an issue - you're more likely to break something crucial on the outside of the phone than the hard disk. Portable hard disks are quite versatile, so I seriously doubt you can kill it that easily.

  • Just now with the mics? (Score:5, Funny)

    by akeyes ( 720106 ) <akeyes+slashdotNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:17PM (#10183587) Homepage
    "Samsung has also included a built-in microphone..."

    That's odd, my cell phone has had a built in microphone for ages.
  • OK, a phone with a hard drive, phones that are cameras, media players that play movies, CD's, DVD's and mp3's... How much longer until we have a PDA that you can set to "camera" and point at a target (using the screen as a viewfinder), click, get the picture, all the while listening to your favorite tunes that will automatically pause when you get an incoming call, received directly on your headphones? And to all of you who mutter something about power consumption, a bare bones operating system should be a
  • Every time one of these phones is reviewed, there are many nay-sayers (who often get modded "Insightful") who say things like, "I just want a phone that can make calls without dropping the signal!"

    Sure, we all want that... but keep in mind that the cell phone hardware manufacturers and the cell phone service providers are different companies. This is an article regarding Samsung cell phones. At least in the U.S., Samsung is not a cell phone provider. So if you want fewer dropped calls, call your provider and complain... but don't insist that hardware manufacturers focus on something they don't have control over (the cell phone networks.)
    • And how did this post even make it to +2, Insightful? You you really think the hardware manufacturer has NO control over how well their phone can maintain a good signal? You see phones have this thing called an antenna.. perhaps you've heard of it? Different phones will always work better than others when it comes to reception.
  • So, how long will it be until we are all carrying iPhones?

    My guess is 2 years.
  • How the f*ck is the thing $800 without a PalmOS or PocketPC license? Might as well just get a Treo with some big SD cards...

    • Re:OS (Score:2)

      by nmk ( 781777 )
      I'm not sure what this thing runs on, but PalmOS and PocketPC are non-entities in the smartphone market. Between series 60 and UIQ, Symbian OS has more than seventy percent of the market. It's much more suited to smartphones than PalmOS or PocketPC.
      • PalmOS and PocketPC are non-entities in the smartphone market

        Non-entities? I'll give you PocketPC on that one, but the Treo600 (PalmOS) is THE hybrid that has brought smartphones to the mainstream.

  • Samsung has also included a built-in microphone (Score:5, Funny)

    by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:21PM (#10183651)
    Wow! A telephone with a built-in microphone! What will they think of next?
  • that's what it looks like to me.

  • Still missing my most wanted feature? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Tired and Emotional ( 750842 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:27PM (#10183728)
    So I still can't open it up, say "beam me up Scotty" and have anything interesting happen.
  • Until I can buy used ones at the thrift store for a dollar a piece. Great for hacking.

  • User interface (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:33PM (#10183810)
    The trouble with a device that gets too rich in features is that the user interface tends to get ugly. It means that most people don't use three quarters of the features.

    Given Moore's law, we can predict that this kind of thing will cost $100 in a couple of years. I think that the company that prospers will be the one that can make it work the way people want it to work. Otherwise, all they're doing is kludging a bunch of stuff just because they can.
  • Nice, I can now build nice biceps while talking on the phone.

  • Proof of progress. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Trifthen ( 40989 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @07:38PM (#10183862) Homepage
    You know... it's days like this when I can't help but stop and realize the sheer disparity between now and ten years ago. Then: I'd just bought a new 486 with a 120MB hard drive - now: you can get a phone with over 10x the storage capacity, and probably more processing power.

    Sometimes it may not seem like it, but we really have come a long way.
  • I really really want to like Samsung phones. They have a really good combination of style and functionality yet all (but maybe a handful) of their handsets don't feature Bluetooth.

    It seems they are the only cellphone manufacturer that doesn't want to support Bluetooth. If they had it in their handsets, I'm sure more phonegeeks would purchase them - I know I would, as I'd instantly hand over cash for something like the Samsung E715 with Bluetooth functionality.

  • Camera phone + hard drive = ? (Score:3, Funny)

    by TheOtherAgentM ( 700696 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @08:04PM (#10184160)
    Hooray for upskirt videos!

  • Why hd? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wirwzd ( 699017 ) *
    What we really need is ubiquitous cheap high speed synchronous wireless internet access.

    Then there is no need for a hd. Just stream the MP3/movie, etc from your home server to your car, office, headphones, friends house.

    This allows for a more compact convergence device, with more of focus on interface and usability.

    DRM (ducks) would also be *slightly* less annoying as portability of content would be increased.
    • And when you're listening to music on the train, and it goes through a tunnel? Or you use the underground? There go your tunes ;)

  • Stop and think. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sploo22 ( 748838 ) <dwahler AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @08:20PM (#10184324)
    Will this really do any good if your service provider says you can only use content that they provide? I'm not interested in buying 1.5GB of songs twice.

  • A cell with a microphone? (Score:3, Funny)

    by kavau ( 554682 ) on Tuesday September 07, 2004 @08:27PM (#10184386) Homepage
    Samsung has also included a built-in microphone to enhance the audio in the phone's camcorder feature.

    That's über-cool! I always wanted a cell with a built-in microphone. Now I can finally talk to the people I call!

  • Suddenly twisting the phone could cause a hard drive crash, unless you are lucky enough to twist it in the plane of the drive's rotation.

    Even with an accellerometer-driven braking mechanism, this is a potential problem.

    Thank goodness these are small, lightweight drives, so it MAY not be a problem for "ordinary" use.

    I think I'd prefer solid-state for something like this, even if it means paying 10x as much for storage.
  • *gravely voice*

    And I don't caaaaaare.... if your cell phone.... has a hard drive in it....

    --riney
  • But does it make phone calls?
  • but....Bill Gates said 640 kb would be enough for everybody!
    yeah, but can you put linux on it? ...and it STILL won't be enough to run DOOM3!
    Imagine a beewolf (spelling wrong on purpose) cluster of these!
    I want to see Natalie Portman using one...patricularly when she's naked and petrified, while I'm pouring hot grits down my pants. ..and watch 'em get sued into oblivion by the RIAA when they find out how many MP3's you can put on one ...I'm not buying one until they support .ogg
    blah, blah b;ah!
  • Cause.. I can't count how many times I have violently dropped my phone on congrete and other hard surfaces. A hard drive now? YIKES! I don't think it would survive my treatment, but my solid state phone is doing very healthy.

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