European Tech Firms Push EU for 'Buy European' Tech Mandate (techcrunch.com) 66
More than 80 signatories representing about 100 European tech organizations have urged EU leaders to take "radical action" to reduce reliance on foreign digital infrastructure, according to a letter sent to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.
The coalition, including Airbus, Proton, and OVHCloud, warns Europe "will lose out on digital innovation" and become almost completely dependent on non-European technologies "in less than three years at current rates."
The group calls for public procurement requirements mandating European-made tech solutions, development of common standards, and creation of a "Sovereign Infrastructure Fund" for capital-intensive areas like chips and quantum computing. "Our reliance on non-European technologies will become almost complete in less than three years at current rates," the letter states, citing concerns over U.S. technological dominance following recent comments from Vice President JD Vance criticizing European regulations.
The coalition, including Airbus, Proton, and OVHCloud, warns Europe "will lose out on digital innovation" and become almost completely dependent on non-European technologies "in less than three years at current rates."
The group calls for public procurement requirements mandating European-made tech solutions, development of common standards, and creation of a "Sovereign Infrastructure Fund" for capital-intensive areas like chips and quantum computing. "Our reliance on non-European technologies will become almost complete in less than three years at current rates," the letter states, citing concerns over U.S. technological dominance following recent comments from Vice President JD Vance criticizing European regulations.
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You sound American.
Re:Will this be possible? (Score:5, Informative)
You sound American.
To be fair to some Americans, he sounds like the kind of ignorant tool that gets called a moron by other rednecks.
Business in the EU are doing quite well and regulations are sensible, not onerous.
The headline sounds nothing like the summary, it sounds like a consortium of European businesses are pushing for more investment in tech in Europe. The current state of the United States has bought into serious question how reliable the US is and just how much European nations should be relying on an unreliable trade partner.
The only kind of "mandate" the EU could issue here is similar to the US or any other democratic government, they can mandate that EU departments should use tech of EU origin.
Also, the US is about to find out the hard way why total deregulation is destructive.
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BYD is a growing car brand in both the US and Europe. So much so both blocks put a 100% tax on chinese cars to stop the Chinese from taking over the entire car market.
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BYD has two manufacurnt plants in Europe and is considering building a third one in Germany. Probaly there because _nobody_ wants to own a Tesla in Germany anymore since Elonias stunt with the Nazi-Salute.
Incidentally, the actual tax on BYD imports is about 20% in Europe.
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Your a fuck wit! That was NOT a N.Salute you cookie cutter cut and paste, no research at all wanker, just ask any AI BOT , they are smarter than you.
2nd that TESLA POLL was online only and VERY inaccurate.
3rd. Suck on you, TESLA if it stops production, will make BYD cars for BYD and make a nice margin, so F U, VW is gona go bankcrupt or will be forced to retool/make military stuff , see thats the secret, they WANT war to fix their economy, but Trump stopping war will take that option away! Now ya know
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You should cut back on the drugs. They already have started to rot your brain.
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That isn't even true. The EU put a 17% tariff on BYD vehicles imported from China because they believe that's roughly equivalent to the subsidies BYD receives. Only the US and Canada put a 100% tariff on BYD vehicles.
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Indeed. And Europe is highly regulated regarding cars. If the Chinese can get their cars approved, then anybody competent can do it for their product.
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The idea of "America First, but not America alone." is quite sensical when you're printing money that quickly flows through your economy and ends up in the hands of adversaries such as China. It also makes sense when your predecessors have sent all of your working class jobs and industrial might to your adversaries. The thing that seems to be getting missed is the idea of, "Canada First" for the Canadians, "Mexico First" for the Mexicans, "EU First" for the EU, etc. is, rightfully, spreading. Build within y
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The Donald is not the dumb ass you think he is.
He has bankrupt casinos... Plus it's proven he would be richer today had he put his initial millions into the S&P. https://www.forbes.com/sites/d... [forbes.com]
He also doesn't know how tariffs work. “it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.” https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09... [cnn.com]
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He has bankrupt casinos... Plus it's proven he would be richer today had he put his initial millions into the S&P
You learn from your mistakes and failures. That's why your company's VP may have failed at some projects but still got promoted to be VP. He knows not to do what he did again and likely learned what he should have done instead.
He also doesn't know how tariffs work. “it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”
To a degree true, to a degree false. It depends on how the target country responds. Responses:
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Except none of that actually works, not the way you think. It isn't "US has your back". No longer. It is "every man for themselves and fuck the others".
Donald is a dumbass, he can't think more then 2 weeks ahead. He wants a deal NOW, NOW, NOW, GIMME, GIMMME, GIMME. That's all he can think. All he is doing is forcing everyone to take the short term, instant action, shit solution, that will cause lots, and lots, and lots of long term pain. End globalization? Get used to EVERYTHING getting way, way, more expen
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ArchieBunghole exists to spew hate, you ask too much of the troll.
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tl;dr
Yes big corps, tread harder on me!
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And yet there's no huge public outcry about the onerous regulations in the EU from EU companies. That kind of makes me think that you're answering a question that nobody is asking.
Absolutely Required (Score:5, Insightful)
The orange emperor is busy proving that the USA is no longer a reliable partner.
The rest of the world is learning that lesson, to the detriment of the USA.
And you can bet that China is all to happy to swoop in to replace it.
So, so very stupid.
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With these new isolationist tendencies we're ironically moving towards Juche. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Plutocracy is a risk, though billionaires don't all have the same political beliefs.
Perhaps not, but our current crop of billionaires seem to be quite politically malleable. Remember when Elon Musk quit Trump's tech advisory council back in 2016 because he wouldn't budge on climate change? How's that working out now? I don't recall the "drill baby drill" guy changing his position...
Remember when Facebook kicked Trump off the platform due to his involvement in the January 6 fiasco? Then they turned around, let him back on, gave him millions of dollars in a civil suit settlement they wer
ironically its anti trumps making all lies (Score:1)
Look on facebook now.
90% of the fake news/posts out there, are ANTI musk/trump hatred lies.
I see zero lies and abuse from the Pro Musk camp.
And its all cookie cutter stuff from the dem/lefties, all saying the same drivel like they are paid to by some Commy NGO, Code Pink shall we say.
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Good job missing what I actually said.
Facebook fact-checking came about due to being hauled in front of Congress and having to answer real questions about real concerns. Just as soon as it became obvious that nobody was interested in holding them accountable to the actions they said they would take, they stopped taking those actions.
Apparently you're ok with that, and justify it with a bunch of whataboutism.
Facts don't care who you voted for, and don't care what political party you belong to. Whomever is
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Plutocracy is a risk, though billionaires don't all have the same political beliefs.
They do, but not in the left/right sense. Politically they support whatever makes them as much money as possible. A necessary but insufficient condition to be a billionaire is you really really care about making money, pretty much to the exclusion of all else.
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Thanks for expressing your concern about my heavily pro-America investment strategy; I'm doing great. How's your investments?
Hope you like the taste of chinese food.
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Hope you like the taste of chinese food.
Many things wrong and problematic about China.
Food, isn't one of them.
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And how much have you lost in the preceeding weeks?
Nobody gives a shit how much you make on a dead-cat bounce.
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At this time, China is looking outright sane and reliable and even the human-right issues do not look that bad anymore. At least when you compare things with the US.
So, so very stupid.
Indeed. Trump and Elonia will go into the history books as the ones that gave it all away due to sheer mental incapability.
It's a shame to see that hundreds of years of effort and reputation is being ripped apart by a single maniac.
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He's got plenty of help from sociopath billionaires and feckless rubber stampers in Congress.
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Indeed. Such a pity.
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Jeez dude, its only the openning 5 minutes of the game, and theres 4 quarters to go.
You get all your news from CNN ?
China works in secret, smiles on one side and flowers, while holding a knife behind their backs.
They play the long game.
Trump is giving his haters a try of the other side, find out how crap it is, and the only true partner should be USA , just dont expect a free lunch, pay for it ya cheap asses.
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The current reality (on a level you might be able to understand) is: China - bad, USA - worse...
Over Regulation Vs Concerted effort. (Score:4, Interesting)
The chinese overregulate in some areas (like technology), but the govt coordinates the private and semi-private industries to row in the same direction. That's why the can make 7nm chips (in a quite inneficient manner, but effcient enough for their military if push comes to shove), and are closer to a 13,5nm laser than most other western competitors....
Meanwhile, the Europeans over-regulate, but offer no guidance whatsoever.
For instance, what are they gona put in the datacenter? ARM (british) chips produced by intel in their Ireland Fab or TSMC in dresden? RISC-V (Swiss) chips again produced in Intel's irish Fab or TSMC Dressden?
What about legacy workloads? Intel X-64 (USoA) chips produced in ireland?
Or is a consortia of pan-european Govts going to buy VIA Technologies and dust off the CNS cores for legacy workloads? An effort which will take about 10 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
What use is it to buy a Nokia DataComm network switch/router, instead of Cisco, Juniper, Arista Huawei or ZTE, if it can be either an alcatel design (france) or a lucent design (USoA) but all the silicon inside is made in Taiwan, Korea or the USoA
Without propper guidance and concerted action, this mandate will be a straight-jacket for the European IT/Tech industry, with propper guidance and concerted action, this will be a boon for europe's resilience.
Re:Over Regulation Vs Concerted effort. (Score:5, Insightful)
Remind me again where all the high end chip fab machines are designed and manufactured?
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But something like 2% of the EUV machines Netherland's ASML produces wind up in Europe -- the only one I could find for sure was for research purposes, not production. Most go to Taiwan and Japan.
Nope, most ASML EUV machines got to Intel, Samsung or TSMC. Those can wind up in the USoA (Intel, Samsung and TSMC) , Taiwan (TMSC), Korea (Samsung), Ireland (Intel), Haifa (Israel, intel) or Dresden(Germany, TSMC).
Like you said, a minuscule amount goes to other places, mostly for research.
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A savvy move (Score:5, Insightful)
" if a presidential executive order can be issued forcing U.S. firms to switch off service provision or terminate a supply chain at a pen stroke"
Which trump clearly would do on a whim. Knuckle under or we'll cripple your digital infrastructure, and any other industry that seems important to you.
“Trump switched off access to vital infrastructures because Ukraine was not ready to cede its land and hand over its minerals,”
Clearly the EU needs to focus on local sourcing as much as possible.
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Umm
Lately the EU has been awash in "digital infrastructure" sourced from Huawei. Are you sure this is about the US?
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The article specifically mentions the US and describes the dependencies.
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And yet the actual digital infrastructure they buy isn't coming from Cisco. It's almost as if someone is being disingenuous.
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Cisco wasn't mentioned in the article.
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Lol. Guess what SHOULD have been mentioned in the article?
https://www.politico.eu/articl... [politico.eu]
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Why should that have been mentioned in an article about the USA? It seems you've read neither the original article, nor the article you were quoting. The EU is not "awash" with digital infrastructure from Huawei, in fact it's banned in several countries.
Please try and pay attention. We know you shut your brain off at every mention of the EU but you can do it if you put some effort in.
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Clearly the EU needs to focus on local sourcing as much as possible.
It will. It will also source things from actually reliable partners. And in case you are wondering, we _have_ people here that can determine whether, say, Huawei equipment has backdoors (for Cisco, we know it has...). I know some people that do things like that for a living.
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“Trump switched off access to vital infrastructures because Ukraine was not ready to cede its land and hand over its minerals,”
Clearly the EU needs to focus on local sourcing as much as possible.
That's the general idea. America first, but not America alone. Pull your weight along with us.
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You do realize that executive orders only apply to the executive branch agencies of government, and are not laws, yeah?
Executive orders mean nothing to private enterprise, unless it's an order terminating business with that private enterprise. And even that would be subject to contract law.
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You imagine that we still have a semblance of rule of law in the USA. Trump can drum up some kind of 'national security emergency' to restrict exports just on a whim, and then he can direct his DOJ to enforce the whim.
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