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Nvidia Delays the RTX 5070 Till After AMD's Reveal (theverge.com) 37

Posted by msmash from the how-about-that dept.
An anonymous reader shares a report: As always, the most important Nvidia graphics card is the one you can actually buy, and Nvidia's talked a big game for its RTX 5070, making the dubious but nuanced claim it can deliver RTX 4090 performance for just $549. On February 28th, AMD will get its chance to intercept with the Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT, in a streaming event it just announced today. But Nvidia has now made its own wiggle room, delaying the launch of the RTX 5070 from February to March 5th, its product page reveals today. Nvidia will ship its $749 RTX 5070 Ti ahead of AMD's event, though, on February 20th, a week from today.

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Nvidia Delays the RTX 5070 Till After AMD's Reveal

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  • Delaying Release Why? (Score:3)

    by Virtucon ( 127420 ) on Friday February 14, 2025 @09:48AM (#65166281)

    If you've already taped out and have the product available, release it. If AMD comes up with a better card, that's great, too. I, for one, would love to see some actual graphics cards that provide great FPS without requiring me to upgrade my PSU or heat up my office. Since I'm only one year into my last card purchase, I'll probably keep this one for another year, in which time there will be further improvements. So, NVIDIA, just release it and make sales.

    • may not be as ready as they claimed.

      • plausable. But from reviews on side-by-side performance, the 5090 v 4090 doesn't look that attractive unless I'm crypto mining.

        • we are talking about the 5070 here, not 5090

          • Re:Delaying Release Why? (Score:4, Informative)

            by Virtucon ( 127420 ) on Friday February 14, 2025 @10:31AM (#65166385)

            right, but I was making a point out of the advertised performance, vs. reality of the 50xx cards thus far. If they claim the 5070 is roughly equal to the 4090 that may not be the case. Sure, it may have more cores, memory etc. but it depends on the application. If they have a card that consumes less power (not happening) and can perform the same or even slightly better than a 4090 we have a winner. That again depends on application, gaming, video production, or crypto mining.

        • But the 5090 can hallucinate 3 frames and render 1 frame in the time that the boring, legacy, 4090 can render 1 frame! How can that not be worth the extra money and higher TDP?

    • Re:Delaying Release Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Zocalo ( 252965 ) on Friday February 14, 2025 @10:00AM (#65166313) Homepage
      The only scenario where I can see this might make sense is if they don't have a clue on how to price it and want to see what AMD does first in case they set an initial SRP lower than they might otherwise have done because it would be a lot easier to manage "well, we're reducing the price because otherwise AMD eats our lunch on bang for buck and early adopters that paid full price are SOL" than "We're raising the price because we're kicking AMD's ass and you just can suck it up because Jensen wants a new yacht."

      Even so, *why*? Just go in high, make bank on the rich idiots that can't wait for AMD and the inevitable scalpers, then cut the price as required when AMD ships (and that is "ships", not just announces some vapourware).

      • You're trying to make sense of marketing decisions. That path is madness. It could be as simple as they want to delay until they can set up a test scenario that somehow proves their card is superior. And they expect to be able to create that test scenario right after AMD's announcement. Or they'll just make some shit up, but they want to hear AMD's hype cycle first, so they can out-hype them. I really don't expect there to be any plausible, sane reason for the delay. It's marketing driven, and marketing mak

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      50-series cards don't provide great FPS. That's not their selling point noted in the OP, "5070 can provide performance of a 4090 (with fake frames instead of real ones). Their main selling point is that they can reasonably fake "great FPS" by generating multiple AI inferred frames and inserting them between real ones.

      The problem is that this adds a significant amount of input latency, and fake frames are indeed fake so in pretty much every twitch game, you will randomly miss headshots because they got infer

      • In particular, the lower you go the worse the fake frames become:

        The non-rendered frames will always mean that your input latency is at least slightly worse than it seems; but if the native frame rate is fairly high and consistent the latency difference is pretty small in absolute terms unless the game in question is absolutely brutal in requiring responses to visual feedback or the faked frames are especially deceptive: if your native rendering is hitting 120Hz faking your way to running a 240Hz monitor

    • They're delaying release in order to steal AMD's thunder. It's marketing genius.

      There was already buzz about the upcoming release. Now there is buzz about the delay. And then the final word comes, not from AMD, but from NVidia.

      There's also an opportunity to adjust pricing based on what AMD does.

    • They probably don't have enough cards to stock the shelves for a meaningful amount of time. It will be like the 5090 launch all over again, where the entire stock of cards sells out in 3 minutes and every site will show an Out Of Stock screen for the next few weeks.

    • If the 5090 is any indication their stocks of 50-series might not be especially adequate; and with the relative lack of pressure at the high end(especially with people being less willing to buy current-gen AMD cards rather than seeing what AMD has coming up or paying less for now prior gen AMD cards once they do) they presumably would rather warehouse them just a trifle longer than launch at a price that either gets laughed at and forces them to publicly cut it or which leaves money on the table.

      It's als

    • If the channels are empty at launch then you'll have lost sales from the FOMO hype machine.

      Once the buzz settles down people get more realistic about what they buy.

      I doubt this has anything to do with AMD or corporate espionage.

    • If you've already taped out and have the product available, release it. If AMD comes up with a better card, that's great, too.

      I see you've never run a business before. When you are in a duopoly with a single competitor then their moves have significant impact on your product. There's a strategic benefit to waiting and seeing what your competitor releases before you make your move. It provides you with information necessary to better compete with them.

      NVIDIA learned from their past. They got absolutely punked by AMD a few generations back which resulted in them having to panic discount the RRP of their cards on the back of a surpri

  • I read the title as the 5070 TiII, as in 5070Ti, mark II. I was thinking... hang on... the 5070 Ti isn't even out yet, and they're already talking up aTi2?! ugh... it's late.

    No matter what Jensen does, nothing will sway me from upgrading my AMD 6700XT to a 9700XT. I am firmly on Team Red, and can't wait!

  • 12GB VRAM ?! Just like my 3060? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Friday February 14, 2025 @10:08AM (#65166333)
    I'll stick with my 3060, thanks.

    Might catch you next generation. Might not.

  • RTX 5080 would normally be a 70-series GPU (Score:3)

    by sinij ( 911942 ) on Friday February 14, 2025 @11:17AM (#65166467)
    The big issue for NVIDA (and why I decided to skip 5000 generation as I typically by 70-series cards) is that they are playing games with the card hierarchy to charge more for less.

    RTX 5080 is actually an RTX 5070 [youtube.com]

  • 1) this is an opportunity to get more cards manufactured before launching
    2) they will launch at whatever time they think will steal AMD's thunder instead of letting AMD do it to them, partly because you will actually be able to get the AMD card.

  • In much the same way that video games are pushed out long before they're actually ready,
    it is wise to wait and let someone else be a guinea pig when it comes to new hardware.

    Especially in the CPU and GPU markets.

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