Microsoft Buys Search Engine, Going After Google? 256
obsolete1349 writes "Microsoft has just bid 1.2 billion dollars for FAST (Fast Search And Transfer [Microsoft to use a self-recursive acronym?]), an enterprise search company. 'Microsoft can bundle FAST with its Microsoft Office SharePoint Server' with its soon-to-be-customers Comcast, Disney, Microsoft, Pfizer, and UBS."
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What they are going after... (Score:5, Informative)
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gerp (Score:2)
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Doesn't matter anyway, they can buy all the search engines they want, but Google have mindshare they can't buy. Perhaps they're just worried Google might buy it, or someone else, so they bought it up to keep it away from competition.
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FAST is a search engine designed for searching unstructured data files such as word and email folders
Maybe Microsoft could apply it to their whole Windows OS's, files seem to be scattered in no logical places all over the drive. \Windows \Documents and settings \My Documents to name three locations that Microsoft decided to scatter user files, and that doesn't even take into account if you keep your files on another partition or drive all together, because it still shoves some of your documents in those three folders for no logical reason.
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http://www.google.com/microsoft.html [google.com]
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http://www.google.com/linux [google.com]
Oh the irony (Score:3, Informative)
I worked for a little known search engine company called Convera - formerly known as Excalibur and under other guises. It has been around for over 20 years and has been constantly on the verge of the next best thing. Its most successful product, RetrievalWare (RW) was very popular in government circles during the late 90s and early 2000s.
Last year, making its only real profit in all that time (it has burned through about $1Bn in financi
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The size of Google combined with anti-monopoly / anti-competitive legislation.
1. Even if such a purchase was to go through in the US, it would likely NOT be accepted by the EU (assuming M$ would like non-Americans to use their technology).
2. The financial size of Google would make such a purchase impractical:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GOOG [yahoo.com]
Google Market Cap: 195.53B
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft [yahoo.com]
M$ Market Cap: 317.80B
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I understand that I was being fecisious.
I understood your comment as being facetious as well. I thought I'd add my two cents because I doubt if most people realize what a serious threat Google is to Microsoft. IIRC, when Bill Gates first learned that Google was prospecting for people who had experience in programming operating systems, his response was something like "Holy shit!"
And yes their lack of innovation is astounding.
Google's success was through innovation, and so they continue to innovate.
Microsoft's success was through taking ideas (a
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Google's early success was in building a pared-down, uncluttered and effective search engine portal, with a really damned good link-in to advertising. While everyone else was making their main pages cluttered monstrosities where the advertising they were selling was sublimated into news and interest garbage, making their pages incredibly difficult to read and use, Google figured out that the real secret was the other way around. They very much were "Our job is to search sites for you. You know how to go to your news page or your entertainment page, and we don't need to do that for you."
Yes that's one of the things I was thinking about when posting. Perhaps I should have articulated that point. Larry Page fought for Google being the simple site (on the front end that is) that it is today when asking investors to finance his company (without the picture ads and portal style pages of then leaders like Yahoo). It's the thinking behind Google that makes it innovative, and not just the product itself.
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I have this sweet picture of goatse that you JUST GOTTA SEE.
The turtle (Score:2)
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Sorry I don't think that proverb works for everything.
Thought MS already had a Google beating ........ (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, yes, the ol' bundling trick... (Score:2)
Bundle it, eh? Some will say "hooray, more functionality!" Others will cry, "unfair competition!" Microsoft will make more money, more people will stick with a mediocre Microsoft product out of inertia and/or lock-in, and, in other news, the sun will rise.
self-recursive acronym (Score:5, Interesting)
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/nl-nl/directx/aa937793(en-us).aspx [microsoft.com]
Q: What does XNA stand for?
A: XNA's Not Acronymed
Re:self-recursive acronym (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh wait - nobody cares. Nevermind.
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(or Movies, your choice)
Why moderators should be able to post, too (Score:2)
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OK, somebody else try to do better.
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They could have gone with XII, and then it could stand for "XII Is an Initialism", but everybody would treat it like an acronym and pronounce it "zee". Or "twelve", but that's another ball of wax.
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MS paid too much for bad software (Score:2, Insightful)
-i
Re:MS paid too much for bad software (Score:5, Insightful)
or...
the market is saturated
the market is not ready
the company can't market
If the technology is good then Microsoft probably wants to use it and prevent Yahoo, Google and others from buying it.
Web 0.0 (Score:2)
FAST has been losing money like crazy, and Microsoft completely bailed them out by over-paying for the buy out. The acquisition does not make any sense. A company that is incapable of profiting from its products normally indicates that the product is lacking.
That thinking is, like, soooooooo pre-1998. Next thing you'll be telling me is that a company with nothing but a sock puppet and a Super Bowl ad won't make money. Get with the 90s.
And the rats are leaving the ship... (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny, that.
do these aquisitions make sense? (Score:2)
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With all change there will be ills and spills. Often the acquired group will have defectors as the hierarchy above of them just got a lot higher and often there is a feeling that there is a glass ceiling thrown inbetween the two organizations.
However, often what the media/public freak out over (the ills
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However, often what the media/public freak out over (the ills and spills) and rarely do they go back after a (long) adjustment period and praise the benefits of such a merger. You point out one great example: HP/Compaq. Sure there were problems, and many continue today, but no one can say that HP is in a terrible place today [hp.com], they are vying for first place [google.com] in PC and notebook sales. Yes, there have been some major bumps in the road and much of what HP is doing today is different from their "heyday"...but where would they be today if they had only focused on printers and calculators?
All I have to go on with HP is what I read online, take with a grain of whatever salt you prefer. That being said, the last I heard is that HP is rather buggered internally, the quality of life is very poor for the engineers. Through sheer bulk they're still getting sales and doing business but their customers are not happy with the products and will be ready to leap when an opportunity presents itself.
Granted, this is just scuttlebutt. Maybe there have been improvements since Firoina left. The last big HP
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FAST? (Score:4, Insightful)
That aside, I see Microsoft as a company that's losing direction by pulling itself in too many at once. The company seems to be Hell-bent on conquering every corner of their market, and then any markets they hadn't originally targeted. I feel that a lot of their recent releases on their broad spectrum of product lines have been rather mediocre.
I can see why the company may believe it is necessary to incorperate this into their other products, but didn't Microsoft already introduce a search engine that was supposed to compete with Google? Wasn't that what Live [live.com] was for?
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(No, it's actually FAst Search and Transfer)
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I feel that a lot of their recent releases on their broad spectrum of product lines have been rather mediocre.
Hmm... this has been true dating back to MS-DOS.
Keep in mind, they are competing against Google. Google is ALSO getting involved in every god-damned corner of the market. They are just doing it better. They just have the advantage that "the advertising model" is more lucrative than "the software sales and licensing" model, right now.
And FSF guarantees the eventual destruction of "the software sales and licensing" model... so Microsoft has good reason to diversify.
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That aside, I see Microsoft as a company that's losing direction by pulling itself in too many at once. The company seems to be Hell-bent on conquering every corner of their market, and then any markets they hadn't originally targeted.
Yes, and that is called being a conglomerate. When the growth in your primary market has topped out (compared to the 1990s at least), you seek for growth elsewhere (like acquiring companies). It's the best way to ensure that executives keep their jobs. It means nothing for the consumer however.
This is Microsoft Innovating ! (Score:2)
Jay! Keep innovating Microsoft!
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*The dirt won't come off.
Didn't someone already buy FAST? (Score:5, Interesting)
Overture bought FAST's search arm before Yahoo in turn bought Overture.
Now they grew a new arm, and are selling that one to Microsoft?
Outstanding.
Re:Didn't someone already buy FAST? (Score:5, Informative)
No. Overture bought FAST's *web search* arm. They didn't buy the enterprise search stuff, which was actually FAST's more profitable business, and the only part that could run on Windows. Microsoft bought the enterprise search division, which makes a heck of a lot of sense to integrate in to SharePoint (and integrating web search in to SharePoint would just be stupid).
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Overture is stumping up to $100m cash for the Internet business of Fast Search & Transfer (FAST)... it gets FAST WebSearch, AlltheWeb.com, and FAST PartnerSite.
FAST says it will now focus on its enterprise search business, which currently accounts for 75 per cent of turnover.
From your source, they only sold off a portion of their business (the internet stuff), and kept doing the enterprise stuff. M$ now wants to buy their enterprise stuff. Nothing unusual here.
I don't get it.... (Score:4, Insightful)
-matthew
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Thanks for taking an indepth look at our pending bid. We thought it would be a good idea, but we didn't spend any time researching the deal and seeing if it would be worth it. You are totally right and totally were able to explore all the facets of the deal and show us the error of our ways. Geez, we're dumb sometimes!
Thanks again,
Bill Gates
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Microsoft is buying FAST to get this expertise, to get a software development house which can develop custom solutions for very large customers (think 10-50k employees, where the amount of documents produced are enormous) in a private and personal setting. FAST deliver quite a few consultancy services too, although they've had quite the burn rate lately and downsized a bit recently.
FAST previously showcased their engine as alltheweb.com, their ftpsearch (which was very popular in the late 1998-1999) and were one of the main players in the market when Google launched. The latest "regular" search engine to use FAST in Norway was SESAM, which features a news search, a regular search index, a yellow pages search and several others. They did however recently switch to Yahoo for their regular index. And as other also have mentioned, Yahoo bought overture
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How can a search engine that nobody has ever heard of be worth 1.3 billion?
If you cared about either enterprise search or enterprise content management, you would have heard of FAST. The article title might have mislead you into thinking that this has anything whatsoever to do with Web search. It doesn't.
Microsoft is now its own customer (Score:2, Interesting)
FAST is not like Google at all (Score:4, Informative)
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Microsoft ALREADY has a bigger part of the Enterprise search market than Google just through Sharepoint.
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ROI on that? (Score:2)
They will pay 1.2 billion for that. That looks like quite some ROI to me.
MS fails in every online business but Xbox (Score:2)
Honestly, Redmond has started and stopped and shoveled money into a furnace for what 5, 6, 7 different 'strategic' online eSomething something acquisitions? They SUUUUUUCCCCKKKK at this.
Microsoft is a company that's genetically averse to partnering with
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Damn, I *SO* majorly didn't screw up last year, only went over my budget by a couple of million.
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FAST *used* to own AlltheWeb (Score:5, Informative)
What made AlltheWeb work was FAST's underlying search technology. What's surprising is that it has taken so long for someone to realise that FAST is more valuable that the AlltheWeb website was. So, if MS can ever get their search results to the quality that AlltheWeb used to provide, then this could well be a smart move. After all, doing it in-house has been pretty unsuccessful.
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Bad Summary! (Score:5, Informative)
FAST is an enterprise search platform, which enables corporations to quickly search their entire repository of documents (assuming that they already have one). Given that SharePoint is increasingly being marketed as a large-scale document repository, this is a perfectly logical direction for Microsoft to take. FAST can be easily integrated into Microsoft's existing product portfolio, can easily be marketed (document storage and search is a hot area at the moment), and will greatly increase the value of their existing products. Even though the $1.2bn pricetag seems absurdly high, the purchase makes perfect sense from a business perspective.
The only way in which Microsoft is "going after Google" is that Google could hypothetically choose to develop a similar product. The Google Search Appliance is somewhat similar, although it's not in widespread use, and fills a rather different niche than SharePoint. Unless Google wants to seriously focus on delivering an enterprise-grade version of Google Docs, and providing a heavy-grade search feature to match, the relevance of this story to Google is tenuous at best.
Also, FAST isn't a recursive acronym. It's not even an acronym at all in English (or it'd be FSAT). Given that FAST is based in Norway, I'd guess that the phrase properly spells the acronym in Norwegian (although "fast" probably doesn't exist in the Norwegian lexicon, so I'm not even sure that's explanation either....)
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At least, not with this purchase. The parent is correct, though. The real target here is IBM.
I'm sure Microsoft has realized that the glory days of the consumer market are gone, but the need for computing power in businesses will provide a vein to tap for quite a while.
Chaos in the the Enterprise Search market (Score:3, Interesting)
This acquisition is going to mean some chaos in my industry. Full disclosure: My company, Dieselpoint, is a Fast competitor.
The enterprise search market is an industry unto itself, entirely different from web search. In this industry we sell search software for data inside a company, as opposed to general web search. In some ways, it's a much harder technical problem to solve than web search, because we deal with a much wider variety of data, security schemes, navigation rules, platforms, programming environments, etc.. Total industry size is between $1 and $2 billion, depending on how you count.
Enterprise search is interesting to larger firms like Microsoft because it touches everything in the enterprise. Everybody wants easy-to-use search for everything -- the intranet, the email archive, the content management system, the ERP system, the HR system, the CRM system, the works. It's a hard thing to do well, and the company that does it is difficult to dislodge. Being the company's internal search engine is a good strategic position to be in.
The industry is currently very fragmented, and no one has the upper hand. Fast was probably the most dominant competitor, though not the largest one. The largest one is Autonomy, but that has morphed more into a portfolio company with a lot of legacy products than a company focused on search. Fast was really the up-and-comer, and despite the financial difficulties, the one we had the hardest time selling against. Everyone else is secondary.
The acquisition means some chaos in this industry, for one major reason: Fast is no longer a viable cross-platform solution, and won't be considered for many corporate deals. There's going to be a scramble to take over the mantle.
Cross-platform capability is critical for corporate deals because, again, everybody wants to search everything. It's tough to do that if you only run on a Microsoft operating system. And while I'm sure Fast will continue to claim they'll support all platforms, who will believe them? This is Microsoft, after all. Non-Microsoft operating systems, Java, and the rest of the non-Microsoft-controlled technology will receive only short shrift in the future.
So this is really big news for our little industry.
Chris
FAST vs Lucene (Score:2)
No, Google shouldn't be worried (Score:3, Informative)
Point of Order. (Score:3, Informative)
FAST is not a self-recursive acronym. FAST stands for "FAst Search and Transfer". The "fast" in the expanded acronym is not the acronym FAST, it is the actual word fast, therefore it is not a self-recursive acronym.
I know the answer - but they dont! (Score:2)
Microsoft, terror of the seven seas! (Score:5, Funny)
"There's be gold in them thar Interwebs! Set sail fer Norway!"
"But Cap'in, the ship! She be takin on water!"
"Damn the water! Norway and GOLD! ."
And so the Dread Pirates of Redmond sailed to Norway, but their ship, the M.S.N. Vista, sank on the return trip due to rot brought about by years of shoddy repair work and the weight of countless ill-advised upgrades and too much booty. A combination which had rendered it a lumbering hulk, no longer seaworthy.
Show of hands, whose surprised Microsoft wants to go after Google?
Second show of hands, who thinks Pirate metaphors should be used to illustrate everything?
"Yarrrr!"
Show of "hands"?? (Score:2)
Not going after Google (Score:2)
Read about Google - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google#Enterprise_products [wikipedia.org]
Apart from the keyword "search", there's very few similarities at all. Microsoft Office SharePoint Server is in it's own genre it would appear.
Microsoft implements self recursive acronyms. (Score:2)
Not a recursive acronym (Score:2)
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Hope be with ye,
Cyan
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Re:Recursive acronym... but... (Score:5, Informative)
FAst Search and Transfer
Dyslexic Recursive Acronym (Score:5, Funny)
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No, it's just Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
Version 1.0 SP1 will correct it to the incorrect FaSAT.
Version 2.0 will change it to FaST.
Version 3.0 will be FSAT.
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