Tech Companies and Politicians: Who Pays Who? 112
fiorenza writes "An investigation into political contributions by technology companies shows that Republicans are the top beneficiaries of such donations, but the Dems aren't too far behind. Perhaps most interesting, it appears that tech companies know that to really get what they want, they need to lobby directly. From the article: 'It's not just Microsoft that is spending these massive amounts. The computer/Internet industry as a whole dropped $84 million on lobbying in 2005 — more even than the TV/movies/music groups. Although the firms at the end of the Internet 'pipes' are spending money, it's dwarfed by the expenditures of those firms that own the 'pipes' themselves.'"
Democrats already agree, and.. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Given the state of industry kickback these days, [nytimes.com] it's doubtful.
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Even Al Gore supports the public funding of parties rather than 'bribes' from corporates.
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Lobying directly to politicians is a great evil in the USA today. It eats directly into Amerika as democracy. Here in the Netherlands politicians in the parlement are paid only for their seat. As they should. (ok, i believe) And conflict of interest is even taken seriously on lower levels. (gemeentelijk, in your varient county-level?)
Lobying is bound to exist, so it should be as transparent as possible, there should be a interest group department or someth
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Net neutrality and campaign contributions (Score:4, Insightful)
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ROFL
~Rebecca
Re:Net neutrality and campaign contributions (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at the influence of the internet and viral/social media on Howard Dean's campaign (before he made a fool of himself), on the net neutrality debate (where it's now basically dead after popular backlash driven by bloggers and internet petitions), and on corruption (where perverts like Mark Foley would never have been caught had they been operating in a less tech saturated world).
We can poo poo the honesty and integrity of our politicians, but it's difficult to discount the increased importance that the tech savvy, non-elite, individual (or group) now has.
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Re:Net neutrality and campaign contributions (Score:5, Insightful)
Mark Foley molested underage children and largely got away with it. This man should be in jail, and so should anyone protecting him. I'm normally never a fan of "think of the children" type responses; and I've seen far too many cases involving offended redneck parents and high school seniors (he's 19, she's 17) to want to brand anyone a child molester without some good evidence of an actual crime. The internet and it being so easy to find out available information hasn't even drummed up a serious investigation.
Instead what I've seen is people like Bev Harris getting ignored, despite years of intense work on something that should be of paramount importance. Other than the circular answer of "because she's right" -- why isn't the internet helping Black Box Voting get heard? Her site is well built and is a legitimate charity; but you'd be hard pressed to find a link to her site anywhere except liberal choir-preaching grounds.
I don't really know of any case where the 'tech savvy non elite' have had an impact.
~Rebecca
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No, he didn't. He sent sexually suggestive email and IM to teenage boys (ages 16+, IIRC).
FWIW, if he had limited himself to ACTUALLY having sex with them in DC, no law would have been broken.
no impact? (Score:2)
As for Bev Harris, I'll just say that there were tens of thousands of lawyers organized to take legal action when attempts at cheating were discovered, connected both online and via toll-free num
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Don't confuse losing money/profit with failing to gain money/profit. No person or company is entitled to any profit whatsoever. Though not necessarily legislated, net neutrality is the status quo. To legislate it would lose no one any money or profit. It would, however, eliminate one vector of increased profit for the telecom groups.
maybe NOT net neutrality again (Score:1)
I more open mind about the topic may shed new light on something else. sound much more productive then net neut again, move along please.
perhaps... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Is is so difficult to write proper English (American)?
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Everyone pays.... (Score:2)
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"Whom do you love?" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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. o o O ( whom is your daddy )
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It's easy to remember by trying to come up with a male-gendered answer to the question. If you use "he" in the answer, you should have used "who" in the question. "Him" matches up with "whom."
In your example: "Who is your daddy?" "He is your daddy." ("Who" is the subject of the verb "to be")
"Whom do you love?" "I love him." ("Whom" is the object o
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The verb "to be" is 'intransitive' and does not take an object. It relates subjects to each other. Each 'end' of the verb needs to be in the subjective case.
Who is who?
However, the verb "to love" is transitive. It takes an object. Thus:
Whom do you love?
Learning some Latin will help you realize these differences, and how easy it is to live in a world of two cases (objective, subjective) rather than six or seven.
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2:1 Is Far Behind (Score:3, Interesting)
Democrats were favored to win the House in that cycle, and most likely to take the Senate, too - reversal of complete control of the government, which in fact did happen. Even so, Republicans still pulled in much more, two to one. That ration is most certainly "far behind".
Democrats need to spend more of their bribes on better PR, even if just so Slashdot doesn't repeat the same "Democrats are just as bad" BS as does the corporate mass media whenever Republicans are much worse.
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They are all crooks - the only thing you can do is vote against the guy in office today.
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You didn't know that Democrats are good and Republicans are evil? You must be new here.
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Vote Libertarian, the only party that is for our civil liberties and responsible government. Democrats are not for liberties, they tote that line but before Bush who made the most extensive use of the NSA wiretapping program (it was around for the past couple of decades)? You guessed it, Clinton. They want to take guns away, ban video games, ban smoking, ban food aditivies, and ban anything t
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Or that's my take on it.
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The current Republican party started out on what is today a Libertarian platform. Sooner or later
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http://www.wordorigins.org/wordort.htm#toeline [wordorigins.org]
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More like old here (Score:2)
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The vulgarization of online discourse crosses ideological lines. From "unregulated markets are more efficient and property rights are the basis of all rights," or "an unregulated private sector creates gaps of wealth and environmental crises, and capital will always
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Except when the issue is outsourcing. And please don't get me started on that, as I have personal accounts I could cite.
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People talk as if the Dems were all angelic. I'm waiting for the day when the Dems come into power and videogames are banned because they're too dangerous. Or our tax money goes towards paying social security for bums on the street.
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If you want to call your worthless grandma a "bum on the street" that's your business. But you're pretty weird to wait for Democrats to ban the videogames that dress up your fantasyworld. Because Republicans have been busy doing that, while you bow and scrape to cover for them.
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It's like choosing between the lesser of two evils. Libertarians, at the very least, have our freedoms before everything else.
Should have moved to NH.
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There are multiple problems with American politics. The entire system where parties collect and share bribes and votes within their membership is a fundamentally broken machine. But the two different parties run that machine very
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Who wants to ban violent video games today - can I hear someone speak up for the Honerable Hillary Clinton of the "It was a vast right wing conspiracy that put that stain on her dress"
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You got Gore wrong, too. Not just the fact that it was his wife who Zappa fought in the 1980s (I learned all about it from standing in Zappa audiences). But you reduce Bush's 2000 election theft to Gore "throwing the country in a t
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And even though I never said any of those things you're making up as strawmen, let's see some specific examples from you. Or is just lying about "moral equivalence" the thing to do when you're a Republican forced to pretend you're a "Libertarian", once Republican power finally wears out its welcome?
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A couple of things. First, power in the Congress is wielded by seniority. The longer you've served, the more influence (committee assignments, chairmanships) you wield. Thus anyone who wants to wield power will done to those in position to have it. Thus, why would any interest give money to candidates, who if they defeat the incumbent would still be two or three terms away from having any power? Inste
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"Not supposed" to win? What, by the public predictions [electoral-vote.com] that have "supposed" a Democratic House and usually a Democratic Senate for months? By the even more accurate "go
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You are confusing not supposed to win a majority, which Democrats were supposed to do with which representatives were supposed to win. If you go look at the predictions, you will see that there many Democrats who won in districts where they were not expected to win.
Maybe I got my high school civics class wrong, but that still doesn't change the fundamental assertions I made which are (1) money follows power, and (2) newly elected Democrats wil
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It's cool to use terminology, isn't it.
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You were supposed to meaninglessly criticize me for typo'ing "ration" instead of "ration". Better luck next time around.
Dell + Bush (Score:2)
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There are issues about which I would suggest President Bush was not doing the right thing. This, however, is not one of them. He is plugging a major American employer that sells a product (television) in a market dominated by non-US companies. Sony, Toshiba, Samsung.
Look what you made me do. In a single paragraph I attempted to defend both George W. Bush and Dell. Now, that just didn't feel right; I'm going to go eat a bar of soap. A small bar of soap. Well, maybe ju
He didn't say "dell". (Score:2)
Let's face it, the man can hardly string words together in a sentence, at least when he's delivering pre-written speeches. (He's a lot better when he's speaking off-the-cuff in casual settings, but every time he has to give a major speech, I can't help but imagine some poor staffer who wrote the thing, sitting somewhere in a corner and crying as their work is butchered.) I don't think it's inconceivable at all that he basica
So let me get this straight (Score:2)
So, what you're telling me is that politicians collect money from the most wildly successful companies out there? Allow me to propose an alternate subject line: Water is wet, Microsoft is evil, politicians collect bribes via lobbyists.
Come on slashdot, where's the news in this?
I can't keep up (Score:1)
Lobbying - who is looking out for you? (Score:2)
In capitalist West, MS lobbies to protect Linux code written by you!
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Funny thing is (Score:2)
Apple and Google (Score:1)
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But you are unfair to Ars. They are a tech journal. I don't hear you complaining about how reliable or balanced slashdot is. Ars gets technical details right. For political information, I take anything with a big dose of salt.
Still, Ars, if you're reading this forum, you could've done better.
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Short Answers to Slashdot Articles (Score:2)
Duh.
This has been another episode of Short Answers to Slashdot Articles.
Sadly, this is the system.... (Score:2)
Pretty much all industries contribute heavily to both sides nowdays. If you look back, large industry used to be heavily a Republican donor, but after our great "finance reform", they've tended to be pretty even handend (or, at least 60/40 or so). Hedging the bet is the smart move in an environment where the balance of power swings wildly.
Unfortunately, until we realize that Corporations aren't people, and they shouldn't have political rights, we're going to be stuck with the current system.
-Erik
How come no one notices that the biggest (Score:2)
www.opensecrets.org
Fortunately, money has much less of an effect on politics than most people think. First, studies have shown that spending has little impact on who wins (double your spending, capture about one more percent of the vote). Second, it is human nature to over-estimate everyone else's bias, usually by a wide margin, while underestimating one's own. This has been
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"IT labor shortage" (Score:1)
If the tech corps lobby more than the media corps (Score:2)
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By 2008 or 2010, the Internet will be taking that over completely; We're even seeing signs of it now, a la the "Macaca" remark that went to Youtube. Internet radio is already widely available. News websites with throughputs > 10^7 visitors
Lobbying is legalized bribery (Score:5, Interesting)
2: The US political system will remain corrupt as long as the politicians are permitted to take these bribes.
3: The people in power do not want the system fixed because it would reduce their chances at reelection.
4: The system can only be fixed by the people who are in power, since they make the laws.
Campaign contributions should be limited to the 12 months before a primary and only from registered voters from a candidate's district.
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A quote from Simon Cameron (Score:2)
And Why Did the RNC Pay Diebold? (Score:2, Interesting)
The only tubes.... (Score:1, Offtopic)
That's probably why Mark Foley avoided contributions from companies like Verizon in favor of legal firms, healthcare concerns, oh and friends of the RIAA.
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defacto standards (Score:2)
Why is Hollywood still considered a high-mark standard when it comes to money when everyone knows that everything is financially bigger than Hollywood? Electronic gaming, the NFL and porn come to mind as common examples.
Speaking of tired models of comparison, if $84 million were in $1 bills, how many football fields would that cover?
Isn't this introduction Foxified? (Score:2)
Actually, the article says Republicans get 67%. If you get 2/3 of the pie and I only get a 1/3, I'd say momma loves you best.
It's going to flip (Score:3, Insightful)