PS3 Problems Cause Sony Stocks to Slide 238
eldavojohn writes "Gamespot has an article describing PS3s operating erratically at conference demonstrations.' In its defense, Sony said the PS3 failures were caused by unusually high temperatures created by having many of the next-gen consoles operating in close proximity to each other. 'It's not a problem with the PlayStation 3 unit itself,' Sony spokeswoman Nanako Kato told the AP. 'For a normal player at home, there shouldn't be any problem.' As a result, Sony's stock slid 2.75%. I guess they should have thought first before releasing five times the number of kiosks as they did with the PS2 — they're causing each other to overheat. There goes my PS3 beowulf cluster idea!" Update: 10/04 20:40 GMT by Z : anti-human 1 wrote in to mention a GamesIndustry.biz article, with a flat denial of overheating issues from Sony. "As could be seen on the TGS floor by the tens of thousands of media and public attendees, both the hardware and software worked flawlessly."
What about the cabinet? (Score:5, Insightful)
I currenrly have my DVR, my Xbox, and my reciever all in a stereo cabinet with a closed door. All work fine with no overheating. Is Sony trying to say that if I want to get a PS3 I need to buy a new stereo cabinet too?
About that Xbox... (Score:5, Interesting)
Think about it.
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It doesn't matter how many right-headed people boycott MS at this point. Their products are superior to the competition in the ways that matter to the unwashed masses, and they will continue
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If you know you can buy an Xbox, and resell it for 70% of the original price, it is a much better "investment" than if you can sell it for 30% of the original price.
The same can be said for the games.
Re:About that Xbox... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:About that Xbox... (Score:4, Insightful)
If all three major players have had a history of the same thing, then it really comes down to purchasing the console that will have the most value to you. JRPG fans should buy a PS3, action gamers often find the Xbox/Xbox 360 to be a good fit, while the fans of quirky games and Nintendo's established franchises might want to hold out for a Wii. Which is not to say that anyone is restricted to a particular platform if their finances permit.
For the fanboys who can't stomach what I just said, I'll translate that statement into trollspeak:
If you want to sit around and watch cutscenes all day, buy a PS3. If graphics are the only thing you consider when buying a game, go for a 360, if you want kiddie games for mongoloids, put down a pre-order for a Wii.
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No, it'll work just fine till all the liquid nitrogen evaporates.
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That assumes that a) there is a significant heat problem rather than wild speculations, and b) that it affects you and your cabinet, as opposed to a few PS3s amongst many that were set up in glass boxes under hot lights in a hot conference hall to run demanding demos for 15 hours non-stop.
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I don't buy this argument. (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's probably both. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I don't buy this argument. (Score:4, Informative)
Except that the analysts specifically mentioned concerns about the "entertainments division".
We have adopted a cautious view of the impact of the [Sony] game business on the electronics business this term,'' Goldman Sachs analyst Yuji Fujimori told Bloomberg. Fujimori downgraded Sony's rating from "buy" to "neutral" citing "confusion over the release of PlayStation 3 and concerns [about] disappointing sales of [the] PlayStation Portable,
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===== All above forward looking statements are non-legally binding and are simply projections based on known... oh who cares.
Re:I don't buy this argument. (Score:4, Funny)
Then there's Krazy Kenny's PR talking that's just kinda... oooooOOOOOOoooooooooooooo~
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Considering the negative press Sony has been getting with the batteries, rootkit, and PS3 you can be sure the big players in the industry will start dumping
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Dan East
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You gotta love Slashdot. Sony announces a recall of virtually *all* of the laptop batteries they manufactured; and when their stock slides the ever-perceptive Slashdot crowd thinks it's because of a disappointing game console demo!
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"Overheating demo game console units is no reason for stock of one of the largest electronics manufactures to slip."
I would think that "one of the largest electronics manufactures" would by now have a firm grasp that semiconductor by their very definition (semi = partial & condutor = conducts electricity) do not conduct electricity well, and the inefficiency produces heat. If you design a case to look good and/or have a small foot print by pushing the cooling to the min
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There is no problem with the PS3 (Score:2, Funny)
Plus, if you leave it OFF, it won't overheat!
Also, if you are using it indoors, then you probably aren't providing proper ventillation.
Either way, it can't be Sony's fault because by definition the PS3 is perfect!
Re:There is no problem with the PS3 (Score:5, Informative)
This a) compares favorably with E3, and b) is in line with what you'd expect from beta software, especially since the last bugs you find are the kind of crazy tiny 'soak-test' memory leaks that tend to come out when you play the game constantly for 8 hours w/o rebooting, as you see at TGS.
IMHO, this whole thing is FUD; some analyst who saw a game crash and is trying to justify his trip to Tokyo.
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http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/Cell _accelerator_board.pdf [mc.com]
I guess that the Cell is responsible for most of it, and the PS3s will have similar heat dissipation. Similar to modern gaming PCs
Putting them in u
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I wish EA would "soak-test" their shit. I have a nearly unplayable Madden '07 that crashes reliably after 45 minutes of game time (roughly at the end of the 3rd quarter or the beginning of the 4th), menus not included. It locks hard enough to disable the reset button, in fact. And it
PS3 Crashing (Score:2, Funny)
Sounds like good news to me! (Score:5, Funny)
I need to know the PS3 has power. I need to be afraid that it might drain my bank account. Or set my room on fire. Or hurt me in other more subtle ways. Only then will I respect it.
Re:Sounds like HOT news to me! (Score:2)
And if it uses enough power and generates enough heat you could use it too warm your home.
Isn't this exactly the plan Sony had from the very beginning, look at this article from 1 and a half years ago:
(Remember to exchange all instances of computing power to power drain and home heating)
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That would also mean that you can only play between November and March... In July, I got AC trying to keep the living room at a comfortable temperature. Having a device warming the home at the same time would be counter-productive...
Sounds like the PS2 all over again (Score:2, Interesting)
Could it be that both Microsoft AND Sony have falling victim to the "Tortoise and the Hare" factor? It seems Nintendo's choice to choose the slow and steady path might just win the race this time around.
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fusion reactor (Score:4, Funny)
Goodbye beowulf cluster, hello fusion reactor core!
Funny++; (Score:2)
Mod parent up Funny please.
Defense (Score:5, Insightful)
Fortunately, most consumers are quite diligent when it comes to ensuring that their game consoles are properly positioned in a well-ventilated area with adequate clearance on all sides. I don't predict much trouble with people laying the damn thing on the carpet; butting the air vents up against the wall; setting it next to the radiator; cramming it into their entertainment center's shelf between the TiVo, XBox, and a bunch of DVDs; putting stuff on top of it; or anything else that your typical consumer would simply never dream of doing to a game console.
Big. Honkin'. Red. Flag.
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I'd bet that you could get non-rigid items to rest on top of it just fine.
A strategy guide, for example.
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Will it also cook mouth-watering hamburgers to perfection in minutes with less fat?
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http://www.ps3grill.com/ [ps3grill.com]
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While I expect you're right, without seeing the actual setup, it's possible the consoles will work fine in entertainment centers and the like. I was hoping one of the articles would have a picture of the setup being refered to. If it were a whole bunch of PS3s right on top of each other (apparently there were 200 total, who knows how close), then it very well could have just been a poor setup.
I expect you're going to be right anyway, but I'm more than willing to give Sony the benefit of the doubt and ac
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Sony will actually benefit from the 360 launch (Score:2)
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Déjà Vu (Score:2, Insightful)
just a feature (Score:3, Funny)
A great present to send to any of your loved ones in the army serving abroad - hours of entertainment and when in a spot of bother the troops can combine 5 or more PS3s and a few Sony batterys to create a high power IED!
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George Foreman grill addon anyone? (Score:5, Funny)
Bad analysis (Score:2)
uhh... what? (Score:2, Informative)
entertainment center (Score:2)
Come on, seriously.... the PS3 is going to be overheating in every living room its in. Is anybody (who isn't just an anti-ms zealot) seriously considering getting one of these?
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But at launch? Oh he
cluster (Score:2)
You joke, but considering a PS2 cluster was made, [uiuc.edu] a PS3 cluster isn't really out of the question, especially when considering how much power the Cell supposedly has. This news actually does put a damper on the PS3 cluster idea.
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This news actually does put a damper on the PS3 cluster idea.
No, it probably doesn't make any difference. One big reason we made the cluster of PS2s was that that was the only way to get the Emotion Engine chip at all. Unfortunately, the PS2 itself wasn't a very good platform for scientific computing (restricted boots, no remote reboot, that sort of thing.).
And the Cell Processor is (sort of) available on a blade that goes into an IBM Blade Center. So I think it's likely that we'll be buying tho
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The trouble with fanless systems (Score:5, Insightful)
They made it "fanless", right? Fanless electronic devices with significant heat loads are inherently vulnerable; if the external environment is worse than the design spec, they die. Hot weather or tight shelf space, and you're dead.
Worse, if some systems are failing early in life due to cooling problems, more are very likely to fail later. ICs that run hot has a reduced lifespan; there's a well-understood relationship for this. So if demo units are failing when new, this is serious.
Somewhere at Sony, I suspect that engineers are frantically trying to tweak the heatsink, airflow, and case hole design before shipping. It's very late for that.
There will probably be aftermarket fan kits. Liquid cooling would be overdoing it.
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Lies!
Liquid cooling is never overdoing it, wait until you see my 500gph water cooled iPod!
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They made it "fanless", right?
No, but they're working hard on it. Right now, some people still like Sony. I don't know why.
Interesting...Playstation 2s didn't overheat (Score:5, Interesting)
Glitching because of overheating would be interesting, if true.
The PlayStation 2 cluster that we built at NCSA [uiuc.edu] had 65 machines in a rack, tightly packed, with the fans of the machines at the front and the back of the shelves pointing at each other. They ran like that for on the order of 15 months, and I'm not aware of any heat related issues.
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You must have had later generation PS2s.
That could be. They were purchased in late 2002 or early 2003, for what that's worth. I do know that PS2s we had weren't the exact model that the Linux kit was developed for, because before we could use the ethernet properly, we had to install a patched kernel driver.
Paging Nyko to this thread... (Score:2)
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It [photobucket.com] does [photobucket.com] bad [photobucket.com] things [photobucket.com].
Die Sony! Die! (Score:2, Troll)
The REAL Deal (Score:2)
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No. (Score:5, Informative)
They weren't overheating. Some pre-release software was crashing. Imagine that! The shock, the horror...
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These games aren't finished yet. Many of them probably haven't reached Alpha, never mind the famed Google-ish Beta! And some of them crashed. Most of them didn't, though.
So you've got two options:
A large number of machines in near-identical 'harsh' environments (in terms of ventilation, etc), and a few overheat.
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A large number of machines running unfinished software, and a few crash.
Take your pick.
XBox 360 all over again? (Score:2)
It is a sign... (Score:2)
This just in from the Al Gore Camp (Score:2, Funny)
No.. Fujitsu recalled Sony laptop batteries today (Score:2)
Wait a minute... (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey, I'm all for the Wii too, but isn't it a little silly to say that an unreleased product that has not been tested by the public has never had any one specific problem? (The hardware at E3, from what I recall was not necessarily the final hardware, nor was it actually packed in the Wii cases... which is a big deal when it comes to overheating issues.) I think we can guess that the Wii won't have those issues since it's not intended to be a super-ultra high-res mega-spec console. But it is in a tiny box, so we won't know until real people actually use it.
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Waitaminute, who are these fake people who have used it? Are they them?
Kidding aside, Nintendo makes their consoles out of pixy dust and Wolverine's bones. I can't say the same for the their controllers but the consoles practically tanks. My N64 has fallen about 1.5 feet while playing and continued on just fine. My Gamecube has been kicked and had controllers thrown at it (thank YOU, F-Zero GX >:| ), been hauled around by bike in
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haha oh wow (Score:2)
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It literally took Nintendo one generation to go from an "invincible" first to second, and a further generation from second to third. Branding doesn't mean a thing in this industry; it's all about the games.
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It won't be. In game footage from Motorstorm and other titles is nothing short of staggering. The PS3 is going to be a kickass system. It grinds the Wii into the dust and looks more capable than the XBox 360 too with enough features to more than justify spending an
Re:We're buying "potential" (Score:4, Funny)
Bah, why would they need to dig? They could just drill a few holes and toss in some of their laptop batteries!