OpenBSD 4.0 Pre-orders are Available 163
fuzzyping1 writes "Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.0 are now available in the online store. Five architectures on three CDs in a soft-shell DVD case. Check out the highlights of OpenBSD 4.0. This new release includes support for many new wireless chipsets, the UltraSPARC III platform, a new load-balancing feature for network trunks, and much, much more."
Re:Netcraft has confirmed it... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I suspect that won't do any good. The ones yelling the loudest most likely only see computers/operating systems as a comsumer desktops. Though OBSD can be used as a desktop, I don't think they would find it meets their expectations. And if any Window's user did, they'd experience culture shock. Thus, all the bad-mouthing.
However, there are other uses for an operating system and in this area OBSD has value. But I don'
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Long story short: tried it, was easier than I expected, went back to Debian. With my brief experience I cant fault anyone for sticking with it.
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It is quick and simple. Regardless of whether I am at my 17" Sony VAIO, Mac mini or the console port of a Sun at the end of a PSTN MODEM or console server somewhere else on this planet. Condensed, it goes something like this...
Boot a cdrom (or floppy, network, swap partition, file on a filesystem, etc), (I)nstall, (U)pgrade or (S)hell? IS YOUR DATA BACKED UP? Proceed with
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Laziness and fondness for round numbers... particularly those that are even multiples of 50.
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You're donating to the OpenBSD project. You can download the CDs for free, if that suits you. The box and printed insert cost maybe $1... the rest is money so the devs can continue to write an excellent OS.
Somehow I managed to spend $120 at the OpenBSD store today...
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Re:ripoff (Score:5, Funny)
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OH; I see! you were joking and referring to piracy! LOL! i get it now ! LOL!
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VAX (Score:1)
Re:VAX (Score:5, Insightful)
Lots of other folks wrote new bits that work fine on x86, etc. It's not like the VAX updates were the only ones made. Why complain about people writing additional features for machines they use just because you don't use them?
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Because if they weren't adding features no one cares about they would most likely have spent that time making (a) feature(s) everyone wanted that/(which) didn't make it into this release
This is what open source is all about, fixing the things that you want to fix. Unless you're in the position of working on code for your employer, in which case you do what they want as long as it doesn't side track you too often from the stuff you love.
Too often there's this mentality that users of open source products
Re:VAX (Score:5, Informative)
In the case of the VAX and Alphas, both out-dated platforms to many people, they've both been quite good at making coding errors surface, so they're very useful for that if nothing else.
If memory serves in fact, one of the OpenBSD devs, Miod, fixed such an error in the compiler that was picked up because the VAX puked in building X on the same compiler instructions that other platforms were perfectly willing to tolerate.
In the end it produces a better product for all of us since it can often help developers find and fix bugs--especially the hard-to-find and hard-to-duplicate varities. That's pretty cool.
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But there is more old hardware in the newly supported list, atleast the
"New pgt(4) driver for Connexant/Intersil Prism GT Full-MAC IEEE 802.11a/b/g wireless." caught my eye. A wireless card that hasn't been sold for a couple of years (sadly enough).
Re:VAX (Score:5, Insightful)
OpenBSD is the new NetBSD?
perhaps you meant the old NetBSD? with 17 supported platforms [openbsd.org] (as opposed to 60 [netbsd.org]) it aint king of portability.
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The VAX is a well built older machine which was absolutely awesome in its day, and it's good to see that people still interested in the VAX are keeping at least one new operating system running on th
Better RAID support than Linux? (Score:5, Informative)
OpenBSD doesn't have quite the hardware coverage Linux does in this area, but who wants to use stuff like aacraid anyway when you have to troll the net for closed-source Dell tools to check your array status?
Anyway, thanks again, OpenBSD team. Good work.
I'm holding off buying for now (Score:1, Funny)
Preorders (Score:5, Funny)
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OpenRCS (Score:3, Informative)
GNU RCS has been replaced with OpenRCS. [opencvs.org]
Interesting. the GNU RCS code is kind of an ugly mess (one reason it's stagnated, one reason it's had so many vulnerabilities). For local stuff, RCS is nice and simple, but I don't know why anyone would use CVS when much better alternatives now exist.
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Ya know what would absolutely rock? OpenMTA. I recently did a survey [blogspot.com] and there's nothing good with an open license, unless you like Java.
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I just hope this fairs a bit better than OpenNTP which I was rather dissapointed in. Hopefully DragonFly
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> DragonFly NTP will work it's way into the FreeBSD ports collection so I can test it out. I've
> always been rather happy with the utilites Matt Dillon as worked on.
After OpenBSD 3.9, some code was taken/inspired from Dragonfly and put into OpenNTP. Now
the accuracy of the time is much better (less than 1 ms for me).
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Re:qpsmtpd (Score:4, Funny)
Get. Away. From. Me.
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My license can beat up your license...
BSD Section (Score:5, Interesting)
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And that section is sooooo popular... I mean, there's not enough dupes on /. already; let's make a section where we dupe comments!
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I basically gave up on the Apple section. I still read some of the conversations but posting if futile, the insanity of Apple users runs deep.
As for OpenBSD: I actually think it will last quite a while. It aims for things like correctness and security. That combined with occassional code audits keeps the code clean and useable. But more than that, OpenBSD is great for what they provide to others: library changes (no more using strcpy b.s.), Open* (SSH, BGPD etc). I really hope they try to make a good c
New Song? (Score:1)
Where's the new song?! (http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html [openbsd.org]) Usually it comes out before the new release, and I only have an OBSD 3.6 server which I never plan to have to upgrade, so an update to me means a new fun song!
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Network "trunk" (Score:1)
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International Orders (Score:3, Interesting)
I would prefer to know.. even a rough guide how much.... because I've seen cases (on other sites) were the shipping costs outweighs the cost of the product!
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Java, coming soon? (Score:1, Interesting)
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Linux binary support under OpenBSD is surprisingly good; you might give that a whirl. Just install the port emulators/redhat, execute 'sysctl kern.emul.linux=1', and change /etc/sysctl.conf. Then use a Linux JRE.
The Linux support is actually so good that I got a dedicated Quake 3 linux server binary running on my OBSD box :)
Re:Java, coming soon? (Score:5, Informative)
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It will run real-world apps like Eclipse, though. Since that's all I use Java for, I'm loving it. Native Eclipse!
OpenSSH (Score:2, Redundant)
# OpenSSH 4.4:
* Conditional configuration in sshd_config(5) using the Match directive. This allows some configuration options to be selectively overridden if specific criteria (based on user, group, hostname and/or address) are met.
* Add support for Diffie-Hellman group exchange key agreement with a final hash of SHA256.
* Added a ForceCommand directive to sshd_config(5), simila
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I hope they took permission... (Score:3, Informative)
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"Our releases are thematic parodies, specifically permitted by law."
USB support - FRITZ!Box Fon modem/router? (Score:1, Interesting)
Apache 1.3.29 ?? (Score:2)
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Re:DVD distributions. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Well, PCs support it. That a pretty significant market.
if you look at OpenBSD's mission statement you'll see that their goal is to build a free secure stable operating system -- and not cater to the needs of whiny people that sound like broken records. you honestly think that OBSD/i386 users will feel left out because their toy didn't come on a DVD and flee to some sort of Fedora/Ubuntu point-click-drool affair? dollars to donuts, they gonna do a netinstall like any normal person while waiting for the CDs
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Re:OpenBSD is NOT open source software (Score:5, Informative)
The BSD licence means that the authors can't, even if they wanted to, withhold security patches from you and nobody else. You can just get the patch from someone else who has it.
Furthermore, OpenBSD asking for donations is no difference from Mozilla getting donation, OpenOffice getting corporate support or MySQL having a corporate company employing its development team. In fact OpenBSD's model is probably less influenced by profit agenda than all of the abovementioned projects.
What's more, they manage to keep up with OpenBSD's reputation of begin perhaps the most secure operating system available to consumers, bar none. And all this in their spare time, putting up with FUD like what you've just spouted, and not getting half the recognition they deserve. If you ask me, they are the knights of the open source world. Or something.
Re:OpenBSD is NOT open source software (Score:4, Insightful)
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So, your point about BSD is true, but no more true than GPL code, and once the BSD developers release the resulting, patched code as BSD licensed code, anyone can redistribute it.
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1. A vulnerability exists that the general public is not aware of.
2. Somebody that produces a closed source proprietary derivative product is aware of this vulnerability, does not disclose it, and patches it.
3. Yet another person is aware of this vulnerabil
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(1) The OpenBSD project made a call for donations. Wikipedia does that once a year if my memory serves me right. The thing with the OpenBSD CFD just was, that they told some unpleasant truths. They reminded some companies that what they are doing is legally fine, but morally questionable. For example one large vendor (I think it was IBM, not sure) sells OpenSSH for real money and did so for years, charges even more money for support contracts, and then points customer
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replacing a traditional system call here with one you wrote yourself there does not innovation make, neither does re-inventing the wheel (especially when you reinvent it poorly!)
Re:Does it still drag ass in performance? (Score:4, Informative)
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Why get so worked up about it? It's just software, a tool. Do you get really intense over which brand of 3/8 inch wrench you use?
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Throwing around bullshit stats that are entirely out of date about a particular brand of wrench would still be something to make someone displeased - if the old Mastercraft wrenches broke easily and were made of inferior steel compounds and it's been years and ma
Re:Relevance? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Not to mention by default VNC is unencrypted... unless you tunnel it - and how might one tunnel it? Hmmmm...
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OpenBSD enables OpenSSH and (a heavily patched) Sendmail, by default, and has had: "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!"
So, your claim is pure bullshit.
Re:Relevance? Ask the folks at SDF.LoneStar.org (Score:2)
break through their Linux security (years ago already), so
they went to NetBSD, I think (from memory).
They might have something to say about Linux -vs- [Net]BSD
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Are you really that surprised?
https://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/ [redhat.com]
https://shop.mysql.com/ [mysql.com]
http://www.novell.com/linux/ [novell.com]
http://www.cafepress.com/officialgentoo/1227454 [cafepress.com]
etc...
And if you prefer the free approach:
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/ [openbsd.org]
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