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Mass Microsoft Defections to Apple Possible 722

An anonymous reader writes to mention a MacWorld article covering research by the Forrester group. Their report shows that mass dissatisfaction with Microsoft and its products could lead to defections from the company. From the article: "Over all, only Apple and Tivo saw their brand trust rise in the last two years, according to the report. The final tally saw Bose, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Panasonic and Sony earn the highest marks, while Microsoft, Gateway and LG ranked lowest. The low scores for Microsoft could mean good news for Apple as consumers showed their distrust of the Redmond-based software-giant."
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  • by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:23PM (#15130707)
    I don't mean to be pedantic, but Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make Microsoft Windows PCs. Apple is the only company that makes Apple computers. If my calculations are correct, Apple is the one with continued minimal marketshare and Microsoft will ride along with those aforementioned four to grand success.

    If all your sales outlets have really high customer satisfaction, it's not really a big deal if your customers hate your guts.
    • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:33PM (#15130821) Homepage
      Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make crappy PC's compared to an Apple product. Apple is super stable and hold their resale value in ways that even a gold plated Alineware laptop can only dream of.

      Tell me where you can sell your 2 year old PC for nearly 60% of it's value and easily get it sold. Apple's usually get that premium.

      I know of many people switching from Windows to MAC for video editing and graphics simply because the software on the windows side is utter garbage compared to the apple offering, and the regular consumer is starting to see that.

      When you get high end hardware with high end software and couple it with a system that you do not haveto hire a company every 2 months to clean it out you get the general public looking at it very closely. The mac-Mini entices them further as it's cheap and will use their monitor. (Actually a Dual G5 tower will use their PC monitors, just the FUD surrounding the apple products leads them to think otherwise.)

      Also faced with dropping $300.00 for Vista and the requirement to double ram, speed,etc... people will really look at apple closer as their current system ages.

      Other than games or wierd business apps from the vertical market, there is no real reason to not switch to a more stable, secure and user friendly platform like OSX.

      anyone that lived in the windows world for their computing life will be up to speed on OSX within 48 hours.... I know, I did that switch.

      • >Tell me where you can sell your 2 year old PC for nearly 60% of it's value and easily get it sold. Apple's usually get that premium.

        That's good to know because Apples tend to be 60% overpriced anyway. I guess you can call it a deposit.

        • by jocknerd ( 29758 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:51PM (#15130995)
          That's good to know because Apples tend to be 60% overpriced anyway. I guess you can call it a deposit.

          Enough with the overpriced BS. Prove it to me. You show me any PC that can match every spec on an iMac or MacBook Pro that costs 60% less.
          • by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:01PM (#15131121)
            Be careful not to interfere with the two animals while they are in their natural habitat. On the right, you can see the Windows troll. He is identifiable by his tendency to make sharp insults that are long outdated. Here we see him make a jab at a Mac user.

            Apples tend to be 60% overpriced anyway.

            On the left, hidden by the foliage, you can barely make out the Mac fanatic. He is identifiable by his quick defense of the Mac platform. Sometimes this species puts together coherent thoughts, but as you can see in this case, he is more interested in showing his rainbow-striped plumage than engaging in an actual battle. He is hoping that the Windows troll will be frightened away by the display.

            show me any PC that can match every spec on an iMac or MacBook Pro that costs 60% less.

            You in the back. You had a question? ... Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that! While it is not true of the entire species, many Apple fanatics are in fact unable to perform even basic math operations.

            Now let's head back to the classroom so as to let these little buggers get back to their routine.
          • I just bought a Dell and a MacBook Pro within a week of each other. Both have 100 GB hard drives, 2 GHz core duo CPU's, wireless, 15+" widescreens, etc. The Dell has 2 GB ram. The MacBook Pro has 1 GB, but it does have a camera (iSight) that the Dell does not, so we can consider that a wash I suppose.

            The Dell was $1,400.

            The MacBook Pro was $2,500.

            I use both, but that's a very big price difference.
            • by Gannoc ( 210256 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:22PM (#15131334)

              Does the dell have a x1600 video card with 256m of dedicated memory or does it use shared ram? That is a pretty big difference in terms of price. You can play World of Warcraft and edit video on your MacBook. I wouldn't try that with the Dell.

              • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @03:00PM (#15131693) Homepage
                I'd also like to compare size/weight. Most Dell laptops I've seen are pretty thick, ugly plastic, and the Macbook Pro is pretty light. You pay a premium for those things also.

                It's like when people look to compare Mac minis to Dell Dimensions, and they note that the Dells are cheaper for the same stats... but then you have to look at the form factor. The closest thing Dell offers is the Ultra-small form factor Optiplexes, which are still bigger than the Mac minis. Suddenly, the minis don't look that expensive.

              • Video editing is not demanding on video performance but it is demanding of screen real estate. The Dell, by virtue of its higher resolution display, would make a better video editing platform and Windows has viable video editing applications despite what mac people think. Apple needs to get with the times on LCD resolution. 100dpi is so 1990's.
                • Video editing is not demanding on video performance

                  In the 20th century, that was true. Modern operating systems now use the powerful graphics processors available to manipulate video frames in real-time [] without touching the CPU. This is the sort of stuff we used to buy $3,000 real-time video compression cards for only a few years ago (of course, they were always tied to particular software and codecs).

                  Windows has viable video editing applications

                  They are viable, but none are nearly as good/powerful as the F
            • Luxury items oftem cost more. Why are people assumed to be idiots if they don't buy the low bid computer?

              The appearance of the MacBook versus the Dell, is, alone, enough of a reason for me to spend more. Not that I do, I happen to own an old Toshiba 7200. My point is that some people buy Porsche, some buy Ford. To say that the Porsche is over priced because they both have the same horsepower is to miss the point entirely.
            • by diamondsw ( 685967 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @03:05PM (#15131735)
              I call bullshit on you. From today's Dell store:

              Inspiron E1505
              Intel® Core(TM) Duo processor T2500 (2MB Cache/2GHz/667MHz FSB)
              1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz, 2 Dimm
              15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA Display
              100GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
              8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
              256MB ATI MOBILITY(TM) RADEON® X1400 HyperMemory
              85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
              Remote Control for Windows XP Media Center Edition
              Standard Features: IEEE 1394, 4-USB 2.0 4-pin, 5-in-1 Combo Card through ExpressCard, 15-pin VGA connector, S-Video connector, Integrated 10/100 Ethernet, Integrated v.92 56K modem
              HxWxD: 1.44" x 14" x 10.45"
              Weight: 6.18lbs
              Total: $2180 (after a "special offer" $200 discount)

              MacBook Pro
              2.0GHz Intel Core Duo with 2MB shared L2 Cache, 667MHz frontside bus
              1GB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
              15.4-inch TFT display with 1440x900 resolution
              100GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard drive
              Slot-load SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW) [Apple doesn't state this explicitly, but it's 4x and not dual layer]
              ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB GDDR3 memory
              Standard Features: iSight, wireless networking (802.11b/g), Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, ExpressCard/34 slot, dual-link DVI video out, Gigabit Ethernet, USB 2.0, FireWire 400, and optical digital and analog audio in/out.
              HxWxD: 1.0 x 14.1 x 9.6
              Weight: 5.6lbs
              Total: $2500

              Dell advantages:
              More USB 2.0 ports
              Better DVD burner

              MacBook advantages:
              Higher resolution screen
              Better GPU
              Lighter and smaller
              Single DIMM preinstalled
              Gigabit Ethernet

              So, a whole $300 difference (on special), and you be the judge of those differences.
              • by GPez ( 168764 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @04:04PM (#15132253)
                Did you even bother looking up any of the "coupons" that Dell offers all of the time?

                From []

                SAVE $750 on Select Inspiron(TM) notebooks $1999 or more (before tax, restocking fees, shipping & handling)! Not available on XPS notebooks or Spotlight Savings offers. This offer is not combinable with other dollars off, percentage off or mail-in rebate offers. Only one coupon may be applied per cart at checkout. Coupon code expires after first 4000 uses, or when the limited time offer expires, whichever is earlier. Offers subject to change. View details in My Cart. Enter coupon code at checkout to receive this offer in Dell home
                Enter Dell Computer Coupon Code: 1CS4WZBB5$LVSS

                They are also offering a $100 rebate and free shipping.

                I just ordered nearly the same laptop as you speced out from Dell on Monday. Total cost after tax, discounts and rebates: $1202.77. I have the invoice to prove it. Yes I know the Dells are overpriced to begin with so to say you're "saving" money is not quite correct.

                Since when does Apple give you a deal like that?
              • Read my post [].

                The Dell is sitting on my desk right now. Arrived 5 days after I placed the order with free shipping. The charge on my credit card is $1067.
              • I just got an E1505 a few days ago, because they had a 750 dollar off special if your system was 2000 or more. So yes, he could easily have gotten it for 1400. Mine only has 1 GB or ram and the 1.87GHz cpu, but it was 1200.
      • by JavaSavant ( 579820 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:59PM (#15131093) Homepage
        Tell me where you can sell your 2 year old PC for nearly 60% of it's value and easily get it sold. Apple's usually get that premium.

        This is true. It's also true that Apple lives in a different horizontal from Sony, Dell, HP, etc. and has NO competition in that horizontal. IBM clones - the modern PC - allow for competition amongst hardware manufacturers and hence that competition has driven prices down for new PC's. When they are put back into circulation on the used market, they have to compete with the fact that a new PC is priced dramatically lower than a new Macintosh. OTOH, Apple pretty much has a stranglehold as to how their PC's are priced, and because there is no competition in that horizontal to force apple to lower it's prices - you can put a used Macintosh up for sale at 60% or 70% of it's original value, and because there's enough demand for 1) Macs and 2) Used macs that are still a solid product and yet cost less than their newer counterparts, people will still buy them at a higher premium then they pay for a used PC. Apple has the benefit of being the only name in their game - they are allowed to price their new PC's the way they do because of that initial quality, but the retained value is almost purely a result of the lack of competition in the new Macinstosh market and a demand for lesser-priced macs. If you want to really entertain your brain, think about how wise apple would be to offer a trade-up program to keep used mac's off the general market. It's very likely that such a move would allow them to charge an even higher premium for a new Mac because then there is no price competition in their horizontal *at all.*

      • by aliquis ( 678370 )
        "I know of many people switching from Windows to MAC for video editing and graphics simply because the software on the windows side is utter garbage compared to the apple offering, and the regular consumer is starting to see that."

        Aren't most of the apps for those purposes the same? But Windows probably got more of them, and the hardware is cheaper and perform better.

        "When you get high end hardware with high end software and couple it with a system that you do not haveto hire a company every 2 months to cle
    • as in, it should be Microsoft will ride along with those aforementioned five to grand success.

      see, Microsoft can now also sell to the purchasers of Apple hardware too.. it's called "boot camp"
    • Perhaps with Dell and HP, but Panasonic and Sony are not largely associated with PCs in most people's minds. People who hear "Panasonic" or "Sony" immediately think of telephones, consumer audio and video electronics, video games, video cameras (Sony DV cams are a big freaking market), and portable electronics (some people really still do buy portable CD players, and both sony and panasonic are well respected for those products). I realize that Vaio has certainly been a very popular branding, but laptops
  • The final tally saw Bose, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Panasonic and Sony earn the highest marks...

    ...unfortunately indicating that outrage over the Sony rootkit [] was a tempest in a teacup.

  • Defect my butt (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:24PM (#15130713)
    All MS has to do is keep backward compatibility for legacy apps and most everyone already using it will simply stay with it.
    • Re:Defect my butt (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Da_Biz ( 267075 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:58PM (#15131065)
      Actually, in terms of your comment, I believe the article would be referring to "mass defecations", something MS has also been doing to customers.

      Seriously--having spent several years as a Windows sysadmin prior to becoming a IT apps/systems analyst, I thought that it was nebulous for a medium-sized company to need to pay $60-80K just to get access to NDA KnowledgeBase articles.

      I'm sure some of you remember the great fun had with needing to keep comments off the Windows for Workgroups workstation name configuration because the Master Browser record was getting too big, and you couldn't see all the machines in your workgroup. We only got access to specific details on that because we had an MS Premier Support account.

      Thanks for the mammaries, MS, you big teat. Sheesh.
  • Argh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by superdan2k ( 135614 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:25PM (#15130716) Homepage Journal
    Okay, I'm a Mac geek, and as much as I'd like to see that, please, for fuck's sake, consider the source -- MacWorld has always been a pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking magazine. Back in the day, when Apple was one bad day from becoming a memory, MacWorld had a glowing-postive view of the future. A little success now, and they think that every bad review for Microsoft means that millions of users are just going to jump ship in a heartbeat.

    I mean really? This is news? Product-specific magazine predicts rosy future for the product it reports on? No shit?
    • To be fair, Macworld is getting its info from "a report by market analysis firm Forrester Research."
      • Be that as it may, the conclusions they're drawing don't coincide with the data.

        How many families are going to put the family boxen out to pasture to buy a new Mac? Not many, with what Macs cost. I'd argue that Ubuntu Linux is in a better position to gain market share than Mac OS X based on the information given, and I'm a fucking Mac-head.

        If Apple is going to capitalize on the distrust people have for Microsoft, they need to get OS X 10.4 running on any Wintel box and they need to do it now, and have i
        • Riiiight. (Score:3, Interesting)

          by tgibbs ( 83782 )
          If Apple is going to capitalize on the distrust people have for Microsoft, they need to get OS X 10.4 running on any Wintel box and they need to do it now, and have it for sale on shelves before the eye-candy smoke-and-mirrors that is Vista can be shoved out the door by Microsoft.

          I am amazed that anybody could seriously believe that Apple could profit by going head-to-head with Microsoft for its core business. Microsoft has previously shown a willingness to cut prices radically when necessary to protect its
    • Re:Argh. (Score:5, Funny)

      by pHatidic ( 163975 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:34PM (#15130839)
      I used to think that Vista would be a turning point for mac adoption, but now I'm not so sure. I no longer have faith that Vista will ever be released.
    • Re:Argh. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by matt4077 ( 581118 )
      Back in the day, when Apple was one bad day from becoming a memory, MacWorld had a glowing-postive view of the future.

      Yeah, but they were right.

    • by benbritten ( 72301 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:39PM (#15130886) Homepage
      Here is some karma suicide for yah:

      I agree, MacWorld is a glass always full kinda publication. And as an avowed mac freak, i for one do NOT want there to be a mass exodus of sheeple to the mac platform. One thing that keeps mac great is that in order to survive in the mac market, your software has to be pretty damn good and it has to just work. I do not look forward to our new Apple overlords. Being the little guy means more innovation, new interesting technology. As soon as Apple becomes the new M$ then it becomes all about keeping the cash cow alive at all costs. So, please, all you windows apologists! get crackin! We dont want your market share!

      • by Daniel_Staal ( 609844 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:42PM (#15131535)
        I'd really love to see Apple with, oh, 25% of the market. Enough that people really take them seriously, but not enough to be in charge.

        Apple is innovative and amazing, and makes some of the best personal computers and software on the market. And the moment they started to get control of that market they'd be worse than Microsoft. (Who occasionally has to listen to people outside their company: the PC manufacturers for instance.)
    • Re:Argh. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MBCook ( 132727 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:52PM (#15131015) Homepage
      It's true, if you ask me. I defected. I was sick of MS so I tried the change. There were other benefits (I got to have Unix, I got to try iLife), but I did it.

      I help people around my area with computer problems, advise them on software, teach them how to do things, etc. Every single one hates windows. To them it's a bit like gas. No one likes paying for gas, but your car won't run without it. When I mention they have an alternative (Apple) many are somewhat interested. None of them want to go out and buy a new computer just for the OS, but they are fed up with MS. Even with the cost of having to learn a new OS (despite the similarities which they don't know of), they are ready to do almost anything to get a computer that "just works".

      When it comes time to buy a new computer, many of them will be considering Macs. That may not be for two years or so (due to recent purchases or just hanging onto a computer for a long time), but if they ask me I'll be steering them towards Macs. I use my Mac at home and at school, doing all sorts of stuff. Then I get a call to fix a printer and have to go through tons of hassle to fix the printer on Windows. Or to make the internet work again. Or to remove spyware. Or to fix some odd windows problem (DNS just dies, only on one machine) that seems to require a reinstall to fix.

      Windows is a pain. It always has been. It's gotten better, but not nearly enough. If I could turn back time and give all those people who I help a Mac instead of a PC I can not tell you how much easier of a time they would have had of things.

      You won't see 20 million switchers a year. But they will switch. They've been doing it and it's been accelerating. Remember that with MS's market share, if even 1% of home users were to switch that would be a HUGE number. If this story gets "debunked" later and they say "only 0.25% of Windows users switched last year", remember that would be about a 10% boost to Apple's market share.

      People are fed up. The only people I know who are NOT fed up with Windows are those who love to constantly tinker. I used to be that way, but I got tired of having to tinker. They will too one day.

      If you build it, they will come.

      If you advertise, they will come faster. I can't tell you how much Apple's sales would go up if they brought back the kind of ads they had during the first iMacs ("My family needed to do X and with their windows computer they had to do this and that and... and it didn't work. We plugged in my Mac and it worked instantly.").

    • by qortra ( 591818 )
      For once, the Slashdot headlines are far more sane;

      *Some* defections are a pretty good bet, seeing as how people have been leaving windows for Mac OS for the last several years now. Of course, you're right that the macworld headline is fairly optimistic; to double market share would be quite an accomplishment. But does it really seem that far out? Apple has what, a 3.5% market share or something like it? To get to 7% seems very doable so long as Vista is delayed long enough, or just plain sucks. Ju
  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:25PM (#15130721)
    While most people distrust Microsoft, I wouldn't say a big influx will happen. True or Not most people even the ones who are considerably well "Tech smart" will probably stay with windows because they don't want change to that scale. Still most will look at the software available for Windows and how much for Mac. Even now that you can run windows on the Mac it doesn't alsways make sence for them to do so. Plus fears of needing new hardware, replaceing a lot of their extra cool stuff (even though it may work better on the mac) are afraid of loosing their investment and will not switch. Better the Devil you know then the Devil you don't
    • by happyemoticon ( 543015 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:28PM (#15131380) Homepage

      While it's true that there is less software available on the mac platform, a lot of people have a poor conception of the problem, and think there's more competition in the PC space than there actually is.

      For niche stuff there's definitely an issue. This hits home with me in the games department, but I understand that for some really specific business-related tasks it's a big hurdle to adoption as well.

      Then there's what normal people do with their computers:

      • Surf the web
      • Write papers
      • Send and recieve email
      • Chat
      • Accounting

      That's about it. People who bitch about a big vaccuum of software on the Mac platform are still thinking in the 1990's, when the web was static and people published things like interactive, searchable Bibles and Microsoft Fucking Encarta. That stuff is like ice makers in a car: novel but totally unnecessary and easily replaceable by, say, getting ice from the freezer. It was an immature space and you had a lot of weird stuff out there, but now people realize it's less of a pain in the butt just to get it on the web for free or look at Wikipedia. Therefore, there are only five applications that people use:

      IE - Office - Outlook - AIM - Quicken

      Choice doesn't matter. Even though choices exist, 90% of people will use those 5 applications most of the time. It's a space where there's 31 flavors but everybody buys vanilla, and the clerk knows you want vanilla in advance so he starts scooping it and rings you up before you have a chance to say a word. In light of that, is it so horrible that on a Mac, you'll be using:

      Safari - Office - Mail - iChat - Quicken

      Oh noes! No ActiveX! Whatever shall I do? Furthermore, there are, in fact, alternatives to all of these. You could use Camino, Firefox, Shiira,, Opera, Thunderbird, Eudora, Fire, GAIM, Pages, or event Pine, Lynx, TeX, and centericq if you really, really like terminals. People have just been trained to think a certain way about the Mac/PC rift, and many of their ideas are sort of fossilized in 1996.

  • by revery ( 456516 ) * <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:27PM (#15130753) Homepage
    In other news, in preparation for the possibility of mass exodus from Microsoft products, Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft and long time aerobics enthususiast [], has commissioned a secret project codenamed the "Chair Launcher 3000".
    According to highly sensitive information that was leaked to us by an individual known only as "Dark Ottoman", the "Chair Launcher 3000" will combine real-time satellite imagery with a state-of-the-art targeting system making it capable of executing high-precision long-range chair-based attacks. To be more specific, you could be walking out of your local Apple store with you shiny new Macintosh in your arms, a smile stretched across your unsuspecting face, only to find yourself, moments later, crushed by a Windsor or an Adirondack dropped from a clear blue sky.
    On an even more ominous note, shortly after providing us with this classified information, "Dark Ottoman" broke contact and vanished without a trace. While we are not sure of his fate, several days later an as yet unidentified Seattle man was found dead in a Best Buy parking lot, killed by a barrage of wicker chairs from the heavens. Steve Ballmer was unavailable for comment.

    Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain,
    or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
  • by mrowton ( 828923 )
    And here we have all been predicting that some user friendly Linux distro will cut into Microsofts market share.
  • Did anyone else read this headline and blurb, and think about Microsoft employees defecting to work for Apple? I know it's talking about users, but I wonder if the Intel switch might inspire a number of disenchanted Redmond developers to get caught up by the Infinite Loop buzz. And whether the Apple folks would even try to reach out for the talent?
  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:30PM (#15130774)
    Why should I place any more weight in this article, than, say, something out of Redmond touting Microsoft?
  • Mass Defections to Possible [/sarcasm]

    frankly, why does eveyone think they can predict the future?

  • by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:31PM (#15130796)

    ...about computers. Sony got high marks this year in customer confidence. That proves it pretty much.

  • by ShyGuy91284 ( 701108 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:31PM (#15130802)
    Computer specialists and hard core Linux users and stuff may have a distrust towards Microsoft, but I think the general public probably could give a rats ass, and probably trust MS as much as any other company. iPod sales are more likely to cause conversion due to interest then distrust of the alternative. And most people that use a computer for email/web and don't really like to fixate on it would probably prefer to follow the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" philosophy, which will lead them to using Windows systems for a very long time. I'm a big Mac user, but from most people I've talked to that use a computer as a tool for communication and that's all dislike OS X, because it's too different.
  • by JacksBrokenCode ( 921041 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:31PM (#15130805)

    I wish the article had more numbers and less hypothesis. The gist seems to be "people distrust Microsoft, therefore Apple could get bigger." Now, how long has Forrester been conducting these surveys and for how many years in a row has Microsoft been un-trustworthy in the public eye? If 5 million MS users have distrusted MS for years but are still using Windows, the survey doesn't mean anything.

    Of course "Mass Defections to Apple are Possible". But they've always been *possible* and yet Microsoft still holds the majority of the market share. Too bad this article couldn't shed more insight than "Survey confirms what Slashdot already believes - people don't trust Microsoft."

  • Why not? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by thesuperbigfrog ( 715362 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:32PM (#15130810)
    If a Mac will run OS X and Windows, why wouldn't people defect from their PCs? They can still run Windows and try out using a computer with all of the niceties of their iPods.

    After they get the hang of OS X, they will wonder why they ever tolerated Windows. . .

  • But I do know that I am ditching my windows laptop for a Mac Book whenever they come out (supposedly in the next month or two). I'm inclined to replace my desktop later this year if they come out with an affordable Desktop Mac ($1500 or less) that I can put in a new video card every year or 18 months, new proc (assuming mobo compatibility), more/faster RAM, etc.
  • I would love to switch over to an apple macbook pro, but frankly their laptops are too expensive, and for a student purchasing something so expensive to replace a laptop that still works fine isnt worth it. Many other people are already comfortable with windows, are uninformed about OS X, and are unwilling to shell out that much money for a laptop, particularly when they can go to Dell and buy a laptop for dirt cheap with an operating system that they don't have to relearn how to use. It would be great if p
  • The people that make up the population in the survey say they distrust MS. Okay, fine. What they distrust is their business practices, not MS's software itself (rightly or wrongly). They also have a lot of dough tied up in their gear. I see an exodus to linux happening far before an exodus to apple. If apple released their os for the traditional wintel box for a good price, they might might more inroads. Even then, it would be tough sledding.
    • How do you know? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) * on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:14PM (#15131248)
      The people that make up the population in the survey say they distrust MS. Okay, fine. What they distrust is their business practices, not MS's software itself (rightly or wrongly).

      What makes you think that? Why would a whole user population constantly under attack from viruses and spyware not fall into a dislike of Windows itself? That's what I have seen with a lot of people.
  • Of course it's possible, but then again, it's also possible that we might all be wiped out by an asteroid impact later today. Counting on a mass exodus from Windows to the Mac would depend on a large IQ increase in the general populace, and nobody ever got rich by depending on that kind of thing.
  • I thought it said "Microsoft mass defications to Apple". Needless to say, I was quite confused.
  • Don't be fooled (Score:2, Interesting)

    by iXiXi ( 659985 )
    Don't be fooled by current trends or market statistics. Remember, Japan claimed they wanted to get into the auto business many decades ago. We laughed at them. What has been the popular choice for the last 20 years may or may not sustain. Taking gradual small percentages of market share over the 5-10 years will be the sneaking dagger. Apple is making distinct changes in how they are positioning themselves. Microsoft is just patching and repatching the same old monolithic liabilities. I mean who needs 6 di
  • Trust report? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by grasshoppa ( 657393 ) <skennedy@tpn o - c o .org> on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:41PM (#15130907) Homepage
    Sony? Highest level of trust?


    The public is either a mass of idiots waiting to be fleeced, or..uh...

    I think I just answered my own question.
    • Re:Trust report? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by bwalling ( 195998 )
      Sony? Highest level of trust?

      I buy their TVs and they are great. I wouldn't go with any other. I don't buy their proprietary crap, but they make excellent televisions.
  • Trying a Mac (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MCSEBear ( 907831 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:42PM (#15130914)
    The old school reasons for not even trying a Mac have fallen away. The old saw was that Macs used nonstandard parts that were more expensive. The truth is that you can buy a cheap Mac Mini which uses standard RAM and notebook hard drives, and has a socketed CPU which can be upgraded. You don't have to give up your investment in Windows software, since Boot Camp lets you run Windows on your Mac if you wish to. If you end up deciding that you don't like MacOSX then you have a very classy super small mini me Windows based computer. No wasted money.

    Windows users who give MacOSX a try find that they like it quite a lot. Anand Lal Shimpi over at springs to mind. Windows uber user Paul Thurott also couldn't review the CTP of Vista without saying "I have certain misgivings about Vista resembling Mac OS X. With its translucent windows, such comparisons are going to be hard to avoid. But Vista's similarity with OS X goes well beyond window dressing. Certain applications, such as Calendar, Sidebar, and Photo Gallery, appear to be directly, ahem, influenced by similar applications in OS X." This is an OS that geeks can't help but love once they use it.

    The really amusing thing is now the Mac supports more software than Windows does. You can run everything that runs on Windows, everything that runs on MacOSX, plus quite a bit of the software that runs on Linux. It's geek nirvana.

    There really isn't any reason not go give a Mac a chance anymore. I'm an MCSE (gee, did you guess from my handle?)and I like OSX quite a lot. I can't wait to see what they do in the next version of MacOSX since it looks like Vista is going to be used dog food.
    • by MCSEBear ( 907831 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:03PM (#15131137)
      What's the difference between MacOSX and Windows Vista?

      Microsoft employees are excited about MacOSX.
    • Re:Trying a Mac (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Poeir ( 637508 ) <> on Friday April 14, 2006 @03:04PM (#15131727) Journal
      Windows Vista and Mac OS X appear to be very similar, at least if this video [] is any indication. The audio is from a preview of Windows Vista, while the video is a live Macintosh desktop.
  • Define "mass."

    Me personally? I plan on ditching Windows in the next few years when that DRM crap comes full swing into my DRM enabled monitors. I'll likely get a Mac so long as they don't follow with the same crap (and then Linux next). Security is a concern, but not a reason. I just hate how everything is always crashing. Who knows how many of my friends share the sentiment.

    But "mass defections"? Businesses can't swap away even if they wanted to. And a simple "I sorta don't like them" isn't a good enough r
  • Audio folks have a saying these days (and it doesn't apply to Bose's excellent 609 speakers from yesteryear):

    No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.
  • The potential for mass defections is definitely there, but I think the most likely new Apple customers will be the geek crowd, or those "in the know." I'm sure that Apple will get a lot of experienced computer users (a.k.a. the Slashdot crowd) to switch now that they can fall back to Windows when they need to, but I think that Joe users will just stick with what they know not even aware that an Apple computer could possibly run Windows.

    As easy as Boot Camp is to use and get Windows installed, you still hav
  • On the flip side, you have idiots like Kantor saying just the opposite []. Who knows? I think Microsoft should just come out with a Windows for Games and get it over with.....let people run OS X for real apps, and Windows for games.
  • It doesn't have all of the apps that regular Windows users have so OSX will continue to be perceived by most people as not fitting their needs. The worst thing that could happen to Apple is that Windows on a Mac ends up becoming 2/3 of their userbase. While it would increase their profits, it'd do nothing to actually get more companies to port over to OSX. If anything, it might convince some of the dumber executives that what people really want is Windows and that a OSX port is not necessary.
  • Monkeys might, just might, fly out of my butt at half past three next Tuesday.

  • Somewhat absurd (Score:3, Insightful)

    by joebooty ( 967881 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:57PM (#15131062)
    The idea that thousands of employees would leave because some survey says the brand name is poor is absurd to me. MS is making a killing and their quarterly profits year in and out are unreal.

    Who cares about some brand recognition study? These people are all supposed to ditch their stock and steady income over an article on the web? Give me a break.

    Last I checked Walmart sure has a lot of employees. Do any of you associate walmart with high quality?
  • No news? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Zebra_X ( 13249 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @01:58PM (#15131068)
    "Microsoft faces big consumer defection risk: One measure of consumers' dissatisfaction with Microsoft is seen in the 5.4 million households that gave it a brand trust of 1 (distrust a lot) or 2 (distrust a bit),"

    5.4 million customers? Such a staggering number, for Apple maybe. Really folks, how much revenue are these people going to generate for MS? A hundred bucks a pc, every 5 years?

    If users need office they will have to buy it either way. In addition, it will be cheaper to buy the bundled version with a Windows based PC.

    The salient point the article fails to make is that the real risk is to Apple. By not converting these people they miss out on revenue generated by hardware and software. Incidently, if you are a Mac owner, and you've paid for every major release of OS X, you've paid about $500 over the last 5 years for your operating system. Compare this with $120 (assuming 2k upgrade) for the last 5 years for an XP owner.

    The article goes on to say that many people don't associate the iPod with Mac Computers. An interesting point - however it is going to be difficult for Apple to upsell people on a $3K computer, from a $300 purchase.
    • Upgrades (Score:3, Insightful)

      by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) *
      The salient point the article fails to make is that the real risk is to Apple. By not converting these people they miss out on revenue generated by hardware and software. Incidently, if you are a Mac owner, and you've paid for every major release of OS X, you've paid about $500 over the last 5 years for your operating system. Compare this with $120 (assuming 2k upgrade) for the last 5 years for an XP owner.

      Yes but OS X users are running the equivilent of Vista right now. How much is Vista going to cost, an
    • Re:No news? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by phillymjs ( 234426 )
      ...if you are a Mac owner, and you've paid for every major release of OS X, you've paid about $500 over the last 5 years for your operating system.

      I'm sorry, who exactly is putting a gun to the head of Mac owners and forcing them to upgrade their OS? Every non-techie Mac owner I know continues to happily use the OS that came with their computer, just like the non-techie Windows users do. Upgrade cost: $0.

      Compare this with $120 (assuming 2k upgrade) for the last 5 years for an XP owner.

      Let me get this straig
      • Re:No news? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Zebra_X ( 13249 )
        I'm sorry, who exactly is putting a gun to the head of Mac owners and forcing them to upgrade their OS? Every non-techie Mac owner I know continues to happily use the OS that came with their computer, just like the non-techie Windows users do. Upgrade cost: $0.

        How many people do you know that are still running Puma? Ummm, yeah, thought so. If you've bought another computer between now and 2001, the OS has been paid for as part of the cost of the machine.

        Let me get this straight. You're trying to turn the fa
  • Who do you trust? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gooman ( 709147 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:01PM (#15131115) Journal
    I use Microsoft products daily.
    Do I trust Microsoft? No way!

    I would agree that (among my client base) there is a general uneasy feeling building towards Microsoft. So the idea that their ranking is lower does not surprise me at all.

    Do I trust Apple? Not anymore than Microsoft.

    The conspiracy theorist in me believes the real motive behind their switch to Intel has to do with standardizing DRM.

    When all of the hardware is "Trusted" then who will you trust at all?

  • by danpsmith ( 922127 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:10PM (#15131205)
    ...would be able to quote this as a good thing. The fact that Sony, Dell, and Bose also scored high shows that the study has nothing to do with quality of company at all. Look at Dell, its outsourced support, its inferior products. Look at Sony, rootkits, proprietary formats, total lack of quality in most components... Look at bose, in the industry it stands for "buy other sound equipment", and frequently people say "no highs, no lows, must be bose", there's also a slogan that alters the company motto: "bose: better sound through marketing". These companies aren't being graded in this article because of _quality_ as the other companies listed are hardly quality players themselves. If Apple fans want to be taken seriously, they should stop worrying so much about winning converts or market share and start worrying about how to make cheaper or actually superior products. Anything short of wanting this end, instead of just popularity, is just brand loyalty and nothing else. So if this makes you smile, it's probably because you are a fan boy.
  • by BlindSpot ( 512363 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:24PM (#15131349)
    I know a genuine Panaphonics when I see one! And there's Magnetbox, and Sorny.
  • by Anonymous Meoward ( 665631 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @02:29PM (#15131396)

    BARSTOW, CA (AP) - Today, computer scientists at the DeVry Institute claimed to have solved the Halting Problem, a classic thought experiment of theoretical computer science. The problem's insolvability, a landmark in the field, was proposed by theoretician Alan Turing in 1938.

    "We were skeptical at first, of course", said Dr. Ephraim P. Fingerbottom, emeritus professor of computability theory at DeVry. "The Halting Problem's intractibility is one of those snippets of lore we love to torture undergraduates with, so we really had no practical motive for accepting this hypothesis. Come to think of it, we have no practical motives at all, we're theoreticians. Anyway, our faces fell when we proofed the submission, let me tell you. Never ask a theoretician to come up with new material. Hell, now we may to juggle teaching and the hunt for grant money like everyone else."

    Nonetheless, Dr. Fingerbottom was heartened by the new-found stature of his department in light of these findings. "We're attracting some exciting new talent here", he said, perspiring under the layers of chalk dust that have covered his face since 1962. "This development, coupled with our reduction of the '3-SAT problem' to a scientific proof of the existence of God, has swelled our ranks with students who want to do something else other than write software and make money."

    The resulting paper will soon be published in the next issues of Communications of the ACM and the DIMACS Journal for Applied Math.

  • by snStarter ( 212765 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @03:27PM (#15131938)
    ...that makes the transition difficult. For a long-term Windows user it would mean buying a new software suite unless vendors start giving good cross-grade pricing. There's lots of money tied up in software and shifting it to a new platform may well cost several times the cost of the platform itself. Looking at my quad-G5 I see that I have well over the cost of the machine and its 30" display in software.

    The user experience would have to become very bad for me to move.

    On the other hand the troubles friends have with the Windows machines seems to suggest that they have passed that line already!
  • by macslut ( 724441 ) on Friday April 14, 2006 @04:06PM (#15132273)
    I just started a new job and got a brand new MacBook Pro. I have it running Windows XP just fine. I forgot how much better virgin Windows was than installs you get from Dell, HP, etc... I also have Parallels running ok. There are still a few issues with that beta, but it's developing very rapidly and is already useful in many ways. Since starting a few weeks ago, our office is switching over pretty much daily with a new MacBook Pro. It's pretty cool to have happen...especially when we want to do video conferencing. Boot Camp is definitely a strong selling point. It's allowing us to run a few pieces of software that are Windows only, or that we don't want to cross-grade. Plus it's a safety net of allowing people to run Windows if they find they don't take to OS X, though so far everyone has.

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