Star Trek's Scotty Dies at 85 762
darkworm writes "James Doohan, better known to Trekkies everywhere as Scotty, has died at the age of 85. James was suffering from both Parkinsons and Alzheimer's and died earlier today at his home"
This is now. Later is later.
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Not So Bad quote. (Score:4, Informative)
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RTEFA. (E = Entire)
The last two paragraphs:
In a 1998 interview, Doohan was asked if he ever got tired of hearing the line "Beam me up, Scotty" -- a line that, reportedly, was never actually spoken on the TV show.
"I'm not tired of it at all," he replied. "Good gracious, it's been said to me for just about 31 years. It's been said to me at 70 miles an hour across four lanes on the freeway. I hear it from just about everybody. It's been fun."
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor
RIP (Score:2)
Yes, I am going to hell for this... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... (Score:5, Insightful)
And it looks like the guy in the red shirt does always die, even if it's Scotty.
Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... (Score:4, Interesting)
What would be ironic is if the actors who played the "red shirts" on the old series actually outlived all the principle actors. I wonder if any of the "expendable ensigns" have passed on?
Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... (Score:5, Funny)
Quick! You get his tricorder; I'll get his wallet. :-)
In all seriousness, godspeed, Scotty! -- Paul
Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... (Score:5, Funny)
Beem him on up... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, it WILL be Scotty beaming you up. (Score:4, Funny)
John Candy, for example, will be greeting Canadians. Initially, they weren't going to get their own greeter, but Candy was so persuasive that God decided to give him the job anyway.
James will of course, be in charge of greeting all the Sci-Fi fans and assorted geeks. Naturally, this will cheese off the die hard Star Wars fans. There was some concern about what to do with George Lucas when he arrived, until someone pointed out that after the prequel trilogy, George won't be approaching the pearly gates anyway.
I'm told James has already made a few changes. For example, die hard Trekkers will actually hear some transporter sound effects during the transition from a physical body to a divine existence. Die hard Trekkers who are virgins will actually hear "Beam me up Scotty" just before they get beamed up. Deforest will be doing the voice over for now. If Shatner makes it to heaven his voice will be used instead.
Saint Peter and James are reportedly getting along well, as they both have a fondness for good Scotch and Whiskey. James was quite relieved when he found out Saint Peter had set up a distillery in Heaven, and it was literally staffed by some of the best alcohol artisans on all time.
Of course the Prohibitionists were PISSEED when they found out about it, and even tried to shut it down. Of course, it's kind of hard to shut down the heavenly distillery and wine makers when God has a glass or two with dinner.
Anyway, there's no word yet on the other long term changes. For now, dead geeks will be greeted by James' warm and friendly demeanor. James is quoted as saying "When I was told I'd be Scotty long after I was dead, I didn't realize it was going to be quite so literal. I decided to go with the flow and enjoy it long ago, and now I get to welcome new souls into Heaven. I can't think of a better job than that.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
More so than any of the Trek characters, methinks. How many of us here were first inspired into tech geekdom by Chief Enginner Scott?
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
In other words, make a good-faith estimate, then double it, because that's the pad to get it done "faster" than you project. Then double it again, because your good-faith estimate is always optimistic.
RIP, Captain Scott, and clear subspace.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Informative)
Scotty: "Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want."
LaForge: "Yeah, well, I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour."
Scotty: "How long will it really take?"
LaForge: "An hour."
Scotty: "You didn't tell him now long it would really take, did you?"
LaForge: "Of course I did."
Scotty: "Laddie, you got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker!"
And those words are one of the guiding principles in everything I do professionally. I always undersell and overexecute. RIP good man, RIP.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:3, Interesting)
He will be truely missed.
Doohan saved a fan's life (Score:5, Interesting)
Damn right. Not only did he expertly play the character that hooked many a kid on the idea of science and engineering, but was also a decorated war veteran and a genuine class act. He was always warm and receptive to his fans and a beloved fixture of the convention circuit.
This is an important point. Doohan really gave so much back to the community. In the fascinating (and sometimes hilarious) documentary Trekkies [trekdoc.com], Doohan relates the story of a suicidal Trek fan who confided in him. Doohan took it upon himself to nurse this poor soul back to health. He told the fan that he wanted to see them at the next convention. To his amazement, the fan was there and Doohan graciously met with them, allowing them to come backstage and the whole deal. Doohan tried it again and again the fan showed up at the next convention. They kept this up for a long time (I forget -- it might have been years) when suddenly the fan stopped coming. Doohan feared the worst had happened.
Years later Doohan was stunned when the fan showed up at a convention out of nowhere! The fan told Doohan that they had turned their life around, enrolled in school, and become ... an electrical engineer.
If you haven't seen this film you should definitely rent it. Watching Doohan come close to tears as he tells this story is worth the rental fee right there.
GMD
Re:Doohan saved a fan's life (Score:5, Informative)
Doohan's contributions were great, but he wasn't the only one. I can't summarize George Takei's vast undertakings, but his involvement with the Japanese-American National Museum and Independent Task Force on Television Measurement are notable.
George Takei attended James Doohan's last convention and the reception of his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and his retelling [georgetakei.com] is an moving account.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
And no bloody A, B, C, or D, either.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Informative)
Mostly by his 5 year old son I should think.
Sarah Doohan is a girl.
The mind boggles - how much of an asshole do you have to be to have children at that age?
These things are not always planned. It's easy to call other people assholes when you can imagine whatever circumstances you like to support your judgement. Jackass.
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
And all things considered I would bet that Sarah Doohan doesn't mind the fact that she exists.
For another frame of reference... (Score:5, Insightful)
When my mother told my father that she was pregnant, he gave her some money and told her to get an abortion. She gave the money back, and told him to go to hell. They never spoke after that.
Like me, Sarah Doohan will grow up without a father - but at least she had the opportunity to know him for a few years first. As you say, I'm sure she's glad to be here, even if her father isn't.
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I do not consider my conception reprehensible behavior on the part of either of my parents. I'm rather glad to be here. Thanks mom and dad. The weather is lovely today and I'm angst free about the whole thing, no matter how unfasionable that may be these days.
My mother is rather glad to have me here as well, as was my father's mother before she too passed on.
I am something of him for them; and as I am half him he can hardly have "left" me.
KFG
Re:Beem him on up... (Score:5, Insightful)
Life is suffering.
Nonetheless, today the sky is a remarkable shade of blue, the sun is warm, but not too hot and the air smells of summer. I have been sitting down by the river where there is a nice breeze blowing and playing violin much of the morning. I like playing violin.
Life is also the only blessing you will ever receive, and if all it offered me was today I would take it rather than have nothing.
I see no point in self-inflicted psychological suffering when it is just as easy to play violin. I feel sadness for your father, but because he created his own tragedy needlessly.
My father made it out of his twenties, but only just. Rheumatic Fever. There was no such thing as a heart transplant at the time.
Life is suffering; and then you die. If parents never had children to prevent them from suffering and death there wouldn't be any parents in the first place.
Get thee hence and buy the best pizza in town. Enjoy it.
Thank your father for making that joy possible.
KFG
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Re:Beem him on up... (Score:3, Funny)
Sour grapes. Just because you never impregnated a woman ...
Off To The Final Frontier (Score:3, Interesting)
Nuff said
Almost enough said (Score:3, Insightful)
from whose bourn no traveller returns
-- William Shakespeare
Can't (Score:5, Insightful)
Rest In Peace Scotty. You will always be remembered.
Re:Can't (Score:3, Interesting)
Something has to be said about the famous accent. I don't know that many Scots, but I'm told that nobody from Scotland actually talks that way. It's a sort of Hollywood convention.
Speaking of Scots, has anybody else noticed that Kirk and McCoy are both Scottish names? So two of the three main characters were Scottish, plus the most prominent supporting character. Make
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KIRK is Klingon. (Score:4, Interesting)
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Somebody finally beamed Scotty up... (Score:5, Insightful)
God finally beamed him up... (Score:2)
Cue the jokes... (Score:5, Informative)
"He's dead, Jim."
Ok, now that that's out of the way, I'm sure the rest of the slashdot article comments will be thoughtful, insightful commentary on Doohan's passing.
Such as:
He lost a finger during the D-Day invasion as a captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery.
He was also a linguist, and devised the Vulcan and Klingon lanuages for the original Star Trek motion picture.
He had his youngest daughter in 2000, when he was 80 (!), with his wife Wende, whom he'd been married to since 1975. Way to go, James.
More [wikipedia.org]
Re:Cue the jokes... (Score:5, Funny)
I see, but was he a cunning one?
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So I guess his Doohan was still working?
groan
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Also, the CNN Obit says he was married in 1974, not 1975.
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Re:appropriate care includes dad. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cue the jokes... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes you are. Just because you phrase your POV as a question doesn't mean you're not "push polling" your implied answer.
You might not be able to imagine someone with a single parent being "brought up right". But there are many millions of Americans, and hundreds of millions of humans, who are just fine with one parent. The metaphysical question of whether they're better off not being born is anyone's guess. And has to compete with the wonder of an
Re:Cue the jokes... (Score:5, Funny)
Until now, I was a big fan of the character Scotty. Now I'm a fan of Doohan, the man! Everybody thought Shatner was the player, but who knew that Scotty was the true pimp of TOS. :)
To quote STII, The Wrath of Kahn. (Score:5, Insightful)
"Aye, laddie-- warp speed."
RIP, Scotty.
Favorite Quote (Score:5, Funny)
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My favorite: "It's... it's green." (Score:3, Interesting)
He will be missed (Score:2)
A sad day (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, at least (Score:2, Funny)
Thanks! (Score:2)
Thanks for:
Being Scotty, and being cheerful about it.
Your efforts at Normandy in World War II, which almost cost you your life, and did cost you a finger.
You will be missed!
sad... (Score:5, Funny)
wait...
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RIP (Score:5, Insightful)
Looks like (Score:2)
A damn good innings for someone that was machine-gunned on D-Day.
Nothing for me to see here. (Score:5, Insightful)
(Thanks for teaching me how to keep my reputation as a miracle worker. I'll be enjoyin' a wee dram in your honor tonight, James.)
Silly Scotty. (Score:2)
A good memorial would be... (Score:2)
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Remembering James Doohan (Score:5, Insightful)
We all know he had a fun, fake Scottish accent and was unparalleled in delivering technobabble in just the right doses for a good episode of Trek, but I'd love to hear the stories of this man that aren't penned by Rodenberry or copyrighted by Viacom.
Anyone have any?
Re:Remembering James Doohan (Score:3, Informative)
James Doohan did a lot of stuff apart from Trek - check out his IMDB entry. In the Man from U.N.C.L.E. twice, the Fugitive (also twice - they always seemed to reuse actors in those days), Bonanza, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits (very good in that as I recall). I remember seeing him in "The Bold and the Beautiful" and doing a double-take.
Oh,
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Re:Remembering James Doohan (Score:5, Interesting)
Another tidbit...as like most good soldiers (David Niven comes to mind) he underplayed his WWII experience very much, when talking about it in public usually talked about how scared he was etc. He was at the Juno Beach landings on D-Day and took 6 bullets (including the loss of one of his fingers).
I never met him, but people I know who did claim he was probably the most charming, down-to-earth media personality they ever met. Old-school gentleman, with a great sense of humour and humilty. This can be contrasted slightly with Canada's OTHER contribution to Star Trek, William (Farking) Shanter...
Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:5, Insightful)
But the real value that James Doohan brought to his role, and that I value from his life was his enthusiasm. The positiveness he brought to his role came from the heart. He embodied and lived the "Can Do" attitude. Hopefully it was every bit as infectious as the rest of Star Trek and we will all remember that we too 'can do!'
Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:5, Funny)
Scotty: "There's nothing wrong with the bloody thing!"
Spock: "Mr. Scott, if we return to Spacedock, the assassins will surely find a way to dispose of their incriminating footwear, and we will never see the Captain, or Dr. McCoy, alive again."
Scotty: "Could take weeks, sir."
Spock: "Thank you, Mr. Scott."
(From Star Trek VI)
Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:5, Insightful)
I always hated that scene. Scotty *was* a miracle worker -- he really DID accomplish engineering miracles when the ship was in mortal danger -- and always did it in less time than it would take any other engineer.
In ST:III he made a joke that he exaggerates estimates to Kirk, "Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"
But it was a *joke*! In that ST:TNG episode they had Scotty decalre that he regularly exaggerated and lied about estimates only to make himself look better. This forever tarnishing Scotty brilliance, and I hated (HATED!) that scene.
Sigh ... I really, really hate that scene.
Sam
Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:3, Informative)
Not quite - the actual conversation went as follows:
Scott: "Do you mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now, and they want it their way. But the secret is to give only what they need, not what they want!"
LaForge: "Yeah, well I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour."
Scott: "How long would it reall
Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:3, Insightful)
This has to be the funniest thing I've seen on Slashdot in years!
The boss never factors in the possibility of
Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb (Score:3, Insightful)
Besides, the boss doesn't have enough information to allow for problems since you're the one familiar with the work, not the boss. Nevermind the obvious conflict of interest he or she has when reporting up to whittle the times down.
No, you're definately wrong on this one. Otherwise, why would the boss ask you for an estimate in the first pla
he was a very compassionate person (Score:5, Informative)
I found this link which gave more info about that part of the documentary.
http://www.treknation.com/interviews/roger_nygard
Q: Trekkies like to hear anecdotes. Tell us of some funny incident during the production of the movie.
A: Right in the middle of the most emotional moment of our interview with James Doohan the camera ran out of film, interrupting Mr. Doohan in the middle of his story about a suicide note he had received from a fan. He couldn't wait until the camera was reloaded because he was already late to be on stage. The convention security people said there would not be time for a second interview so it seemed like we would never find out what happened to the suicidal woman. We were determined to find out so we waited four hours until after Mr. Doohan spoke on stage and then signed several hundred autographs and then Denise asked him if he could kindly come back to finish his story. Despite being exhausted from the day's convention events, he graciously agreed, and he told us the rest of the story, which became the most touching moment in the film. I can't believe we almost didn't get that story.
Re:he was a very compassionate person (Score:5, Interesting)
This wasn't just for the cameras. I was at a convention in Atlanta, Georgia back in my hard-core Trekkie days (I've mellowed out a bit...). Being a broke teenager, I could only afford a one-day pass, and they didn't schedule any autograph sessions for that day. During his Q&A session, I asked him if my buddy and I could have autographs since we wouldn't be able to see him during the other two days.
He said of course we could, he didn't realize that they were selling one-day passes and thought everyone there would be there for two more days. Right there in the Q&A, he said that anyone who wouldn't have another chance to see him on one of the other two days could meet him in the hallway after the Q&A and get autographs.
After the Q&A, he stayed late and a handful of people met him out in the hall while he signed autographs. I was very impressed that the whole room didn't go right then (kudos to the Trekkies!), but more than that, I was impressed that Jimmy Doohan went clearly above and beyond what he was obligated to do just for the sake of being a nice guy. Out in the hallway, he was extremely personable and it was obvious that he wasn't just going through the motions of getting a bunch of Trekkies (myself included) out of his hair, an impression I got from some of the other actors.
Nowadays, I'm not so much a Star Trek fan, but one of my most prized possessions is still my autographed copy of Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. Not because of the autograph, because I have lots of 'em from various people, but because of the memory of what a nice guy Jimmy Doohan was and how special it was that he took some time out of his schedule and his life just to be a nice guy to me, an anonymous guy he didn't know and would very likely never see again.
And yes, of all of the Star Trek actors I've read about beyond their non-Trek lives, Jimmy Doohan is BY FAR the most interesting, courageous and noble one. Christ, the man was shot by Nazis six times with a machine gun in World War II while storming a beach! In my book, that makes him a bigger hero than even the fictional Captain Kirk.
A fitting day for his passing (Score:5, Interesting)
Out of respect (Score:5, Funny)
We can'ne change the laws of physics :( (Score:5, Insightful)
I recommend all Slashdotters honour his memory by donating to the Alzheimer's Association [alz.org] so we can find a cure for this disease.
There goes a good man (Score:5, Interesting)
I'll miss you, Jimmy.
Re:There goes a good man (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:There goes a good man (Score:3, Interesting)
There were several "hard core" trekies there. Very geeky, fawning on him, commenting about this or that episode, trying to make tribble jokes, and generally making a nusince of themselves. All the while he just wanted to buy his tickets.
I remember that he was humble, polite and very
Famous? Yes and No. (Score:3, Interesting)
Really... "famous" is relative anyway. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of those in Slashdot-type circles (and a proportion of those working in IT) know who ESR is, or have at least heard of him. From that point of view, he could be considered famous, infamous, or at least well-known.
On the other hand, I'd be willing to be that his name wouldn't even elicit a flicker of recognition from 9/10 of the general public.
Nor would
I Beam (Score:4, Funny)
[bangs head on I-beam and falls down]
What is it... (Score:4, Interesting)
Kjella
Re:What is it... (Score:5, Informative)
Sir Sanford Flemming -- world famous Scottish engineer, Scottish descent. Probably the inspiration for Scotty given Doohan's Canadian origins.
Mike Meyers is known to do a scottish accent or two...
Farewell Mr. Doohan... (Score:3, Informative)
Hope they play Amazing Grace for him on the pipes... it would be fitting.
An inspiration to engineers everwhere.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Feel Me Up Scotty (Score:5, Funny)
He arrived as the con chair (who was a big 'Scotty' fan) was speaking to the closing ceremonies. They snuck him in unseen and he walked up to her and gave her a big bear hug from behind.
Swinging around to slap him, a growl of disapproval changed to a squeal of glee almost mid-swing.
They later made her a button that read "Feel Me Up Scotty!".
Beam Him Up (Score:5, Insightful)
wwii hero too (Score:4, Informative)
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/20/obit
Honored to have met him (Score:5, Insightful)
Quite a few years back, I attended a convention with a couple of friends, all of us in college at the time. I have no other Star Trek convention experience to compare it to, but I found him to be a great speaker, funny, intelligent, and not in the least condescending as a celebrity all too often can be in public. He was also very straightforward, as a Shatner comment or two demonstrated.
After the speech and the Q&A session, he went outside to sit at a table and sign autographs. The line was HUGE. I can't remember why, but my friends and I ended up at the very end of the line. I don't go in for autographs, so maybe I held them up. Anyway, I wait with them, passing quite a bit of time, as Doohan signs autographs, makes small talk, answers questions, hears the same lines and jokes over and over again, etc. Finally, the last people in line (us) make it to the table. I would have expected any celebrity making an appearance to be happy it was over with, sign something for us and break for the door. Hell, _I_ would have. Mr. Doohan instead greets us VERY warmly, makes a big deal about how much of a pain it must have been to stand in line all that time. Maybe I'm jaded, but I honestly never really expected a tv and movie star to sincerely appreciate his fans. He then tells my friend with the camera to not be silly standing there taking pictures, has us come around the table with him and has someone else take our cameras and take pictures of us with him.
Far too rare of a man. If I remember correctly, his star on the Walk of Fame wasn't bought by himself or his agent as a matter of self-promotion, but by his friends and colleagues of many years who wanted him to get the recognition he deserved. I can't judge anyone's acting talent (ok, maybe SOME people), but acting is what you do, not what you are. And James Doohan was a great human being.
Re:Correction (Score:3, Informative)
For more information, see this article [bloomberg.com].
Re:Warp Speed Scotty (Score:5, Funny)
Me too.
But I'm gonna drink it first.
Re:Drink green (Score:3, Funny)
"What is this?"
Scotty looks at bottle of liquor: "It's