Serial Burglar Caught on Webcam 561
Metatron writes "The BBC is reporting about a serial burlgar caught after images recorded by a webcam were automatically emailed to an outside server. The evidence was made available to the police even though the computer itself had been stolen! This is also discussed on the victims own web site and the local newspaper in Cambridge." From the article: "I was relieved it did what I'd intended it to when I was burgled again. It was nice to catch him in the act - but it didn't stop him from stealing my things."
British Court system is FAST! (Score:5, Interesting)
Note that the Slashdot "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." certainly doesn't apply here ...
P.S. Here's my lighthearted "webcam" pictures of a man who vandelized my christmas lights snowman ;-) [komar.org]
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:2)
If the US Court System had a case with similar evidence, I doubt it would take them more than a couple of weeks, either. This is for two reasons: Our system of law borrows heavily from the English system; and this is purely a case of burglary. It is not something complex, like corporate fraud.
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:4, Informative)
The guy plead guilty, so the whole thing would have been shoved through fast by agreement with both sides.
For stats nerds: the average is 66 days [dca.gov.uk], 57 for non-jury cases.
11 months??? (Score:3, Insightful)
11 months is practically a slap on the wrist.
Anyway, I want that guy's webcam software.
Re:11 months??? (Score:3, Informative)
http://motion.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Re:11 months??? (Score:5, Funny)
You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? (Score:3, Insightful)
What a totally senseless, trolling thing to say. I could see "If you'd been victimized yourself you'd feel differently." (Personally, I have. It was really jarring, and nobody was ever caught, and I eventually got over it.)
We all know there's difference between a justice system and a revenge system, but you haven't quite gone there. Instead you're talking about potential consequences that need to be prevented.
Do you recommend that we sentence
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:2)
1. The burglar did not have a decent lawyer and was a prime example of genuine stupidity
2. I suspect that the victim did not have his cameras registered and signposted according to the data protection act and the rules for applying it. Now, it was the guy private residence so there is a question if the rules apply, but IANAL so I would rather not get there. I strongly suspect that the defence did not take any advantage of the fact and if it took and pr
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:5, Informative)
I never really intended that as a debug mode...
I added the rectangle to be able to quickly see in a frame what caused the events.
But some might consider that debug info
Jeroen
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, they do. The criminal in question was out on bail when committing this robbery and had 13 priors. For this, he gets all of 11 months? WTF, that's a pansy slap on the wrist for such a serial criminal.
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:3, Insightful)
Given he was 19, most of the priors were presumably when he was legally a child.
Not that I'm saying that should have limited his sentence, but I suspect that is what did so.
I do wonder what he will get when the earlier offence he was on bail for comes up, assuming he is found guilty.
What tickles me is how he was dressed. It's the modern equivalent of a stripy jersey and a bag l
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:5, Insightful)
Only if he'd, say, tied him up and set fire to him, or shot him dead when he was running away.
You are allowed to use reasonable force to repel intruders, and always have been.
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:5, Informative)
British law allows reasonable force, which doesn't specifically exclude killing him. Almost all the cases brought to court by the police, and thus the CPS have been thrown out. Recent advice to the police is the stop taking these cases to court unless it's clear that an offence has been committed.
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:4, Informative)
The CPS decided not to prosecute since the assumption that his life was in danger was reasonable.
Tony Martin shot and killed a burglar who was running away! His life was not in danger.
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:3, Insightful)
About as hard as not shooting to kill.
Shooting/Not shooting to kill is for the movies. In the real world you shoot someone else only because you need to stop them. (Which means in this particular case where the guy was shot in the back doesn't qualify as reason to shoot) Unless you practice with 200 rounds a week you are not a good enough shot to hit anything other than the torso - a killing shot - at any time. When you consider that you are likely to be under stress at the time you have to shoot an a
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:3, Interesting)
This is one of those issues that no amount of back and forth will ever solve. For starters, a private individual does not need to convict someone of a crime being committed directly against them while it is in progress. A private individual merely needs to asses the relative risk involved. That level of appropriate response is codified precisely because people do not see eye to eye on it and never will.
In many parts of the United State
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And, to date, we still have the tools (firearms) to do so.
AT my Tennessee house, direct quote from the deputy last summer: "try to make sure the rounds don't hit the neighbors houses. Oh, and if he falls out the door, make sure to drag him back in before you call us".
Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:2)
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Re:British Court system is FAST! (Score:2)
Did you read what you linked to?
It has never been a problem if you deal with an intruder in any reasonable manner. There was a tabloid thrash trying to raise concerns that this had somehow changed and the government put out a leaflet saying, in effect, ``hey, guys, nothing has changed''.
Reasonable is defined in the usual common law manner, as whatever a jury decides is reasonable. Since juries are just folk (with a bias against selection of burglars) they tend to d
Re:I have to agree! (Score:2)
You are allowed to use reasonable force and always have been. Recent UK news is about where the limit lies and the answer is and always has been the same - wherever it's reasonable.
Summary for the Tony Martin case:
Shooting an unarmed, fleeing burglar, who ran off before he could even do anything to threaten you or give you time to assess his intentions, in the back, at close range, with a shotgun is not reasonable.
Don't care who you are, what country you're in or why you did i
At least (Score:2, Funny)
He got me (Score:5, Funny)
Re:He got me (Score:5, Funny)
Re:He got me (Score:5, Funny)
But it's true I tell you!
Re:He got me (Score:3, Funny)
I'm surprised there still are any serial burglars out there.
Would have thought that they'd have all upgraded to USB burglary or FireWire burglary by now.
Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Insightful)
At 19 years old with several prior convictions and now this and they think that it will rehabilitate him to stick him in prison for another year?
Glad that this guy was able to quickly solve his case (sad that he had to pay the price once before years ago) and get this guy behind bars but I'm sure it won't stop someone else from being burglarized by this guy again.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2)
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An ass-kicking.
Oh wait. That's not civilized.
Being civilized means the uncivilized get to walk all over us.
Perhaps Ward Churchill [frontpagemag.com] can help us understand why Mr Grisby deserved to be robbed.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:4, Insightful)
Given the threat of 5 years seriously hard labour in prison with no TV, no radio, nothing but basic food water and a cell would he be as likely to break in again? I know I wouldn't.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:3, Insightful)
Somehow I doubt that someone who got 33 convictions by 19 will manage to keep his nose clean in jail and get full remission for good behaviour.
This guy is not only antisocial, he is stupid when he is being antisocial and gets caught a lot.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Insightful)
I do agree with your sentiment on this issue. But, in this case:
Police eventually tracked down Park, who has 33 previous convictions of theft, to Kingsway Flats in Cambridge where he tried to escape by climbing over the balcony on February 10.The guy has 33 convictions. Is there a point where rehabilitations can even work?
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:3, Insightful)
The only thing that can rehabilitate him is the desire to change.
Far too many here are so busy "rushing" them back to society, only to find out that when they do get out, they go back in the old habits regardless of the choices. Why? There was no punishment the last time. There's a path of lawfulness and a path of crime, and all the did was bring you back to the crossroad. It doesn't help that prison is basicly a decent hotel, except
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:3, Interesting)
Nothing.
I think that there are some people who are effectively a lost cause and barring some form of 'Clockwork Orange' style reprogramming being developed, should not be allowed out in society unguided.
I am not advocating '3 strikes and you get life in prison'. What I think is that there should be some form of structured, guarded communities set up that serial offenders are sent to live in.
Instead of cells, inmates would live in flats and would be required to pay ren
I'm not usually this sarcastic... (Score:5, Insightful)
You're a genius! If we legalize drugs, there will never be another reason to commit crimes. All crimes can be tracked to this single cause! Cop killers - the cops were trying to keep them away from their inalienable right to get loaded. Wife beaters - because drugs are illegal, the perpetrators needed some other way to amuse themselves. We should all sign a petition to make drugs legal immediately!
Sigh. OK, now seriously - is there any evidence behind your first claim or any data to back up your second claim, or is this just a dead horse that you're fond of beating?
Re:I'm not usually this sarcastic... (Score:2)
At the moment as the law stands at least in the UK, even charities who try to help a
I'm all for treating addicts humanely... (Score:2)
It's just that I find it sad that there is this group of people (of which you do not seem to be a member) that think that most of our society's ills can be fixed by legalizing drugs. Illegal drugs cause more harm than good. Making them legal won't change this. I do agree, however, that trying to actually rehabilitate addicts (e.g., via treatment, education, monitoring) would no doubt be more helpful than merely jailing them.
I also recognize that there are some areas out there that are quite gray - such as
Unfortunately, alcohol is an established drug (Score:3, Informative)
and US experience has taught us that making it suddenly illegal will probably do more harm than good. I don't see the harm in gradually raising the drinking age, however, until one must be 60 to enjoy a 60-year old Scotch. (And, no, I'm not yet 60, and won't see 60 any time soon.)
I freely acknowledge that the drug problem is complex. That was exactly my point. Legalizing drugs will not fix our problems, any more than legalizing alcohol did.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2, Insightful)
1. Alcohol (legal product)
2. Tobacco (legal product)
Bad guys are bad guys. Just because something addictive is legal does not mean that it will stop crime related to the possesion of that product. The type of crime will just change. So the whole, "Legalize drugs, it will stop crime" argument is bogus just on the face of it. Now stop trying to use unrelated Slashdot stories to push your personal political
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2)
I really can't see how legalizing drugs would keep people from 1) becoming addicted, 2) losing jobs because of their addiction, and 3) resorting to stealing because they can't find work.
First, we *know* that keeping it illegal doesn't do any of those things either, plus it makes people involved in drugs violent as well, since they have cops hunting them.
Second, it makes addicts more approachable for regular medical help, if they need it. In the Netherlands, possession (for own use) and use of drugs are
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Informative)
burgled.
The word you are looking for is burgled.
There is no such word as burglarized.
A burglar burgles.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:4, Informative)
Looks good to me.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Funny)
Remember though that slashdot is American and that Americans can't speak English.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Informative)
1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been burglarized twice.
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burgle (bûrgl)
To burglarize.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Funny)
burgled.
The word you are looking for is burgled.
There is no such word as burglarized.
A burglar burgles.
You're absolutely right. I apogle.
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:5, Informative)
Having grown up with burgle, I had always assumed that burglarized was just down to the American tendency to 'verbize' words - using the word 'leverage' instead of 'lever' for instance.
'Burglarize' makes me think of stuff like this... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2)
How many years would rehabilitate him, you believe? 2? 4? 10? life?
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2, Interesting)
People who have already been given four or five chances to reform, but still commit violent crimes have shown that they will NOT reform.
Such criminals can screw up the lives of a hundred other people, and then they are let go and go on and hurt a dozen more before they get caught - is this acceptable ?
There is a need to protect the innocent from them - so they must be permanently isolated from society. The only options are
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2)
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At 19 years old with several prior convictions and now this and they think that it will rehabilitate him to stick him in prison for another year?
Oh don't worry, he'll only need to serve half his sentence if he behaves himself in prison, as the government have started an Early Release Program for Prisoners to rel [mirror.co.uk]
Re:Serial burglar at 19... (Score:2)
The fact is that the years a
Note to self... (Score:5, Funny)
infos ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:infos ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Down at the bottom, where it says how he did it, it says "That program instructs the computer to grab photos from the video camera - up to five stills per second - and then send them over the internet to a webpage where they are stored for viewing. " They may not be emailed at all - this just might be some stupid journalist (or journalist dumbing things down for the stu
Off the shelf (Score:2)
Chav (Score:3, Funny)
How to do this on a Mac (Score:5, Informative)
I have mine record movements while out as well as speak "Intruder alert, intruder alert" hoping to scare any would-be burglers away while snapping their photo.
Hopefully it will never be "needed."
A great use for the new Mac Mini too!
Re:How to do this on a Mac (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How to do this on a Mac (Score:4, Insightful)
No no no
FYI (Score:5, Informative)
Should have sene his face. (Score:5, Funny)
If only they had a camera...
Lesson about deterrence! (Score:2, Funny)
What is the point of a secret weapon if you don't tell everyone about it?!
Serial burglars? (Score:2, Funny)
Here's what started it off... (Score:2, Informative)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/cam.misc/msg/
Aha!!! (Score:4, Funny)
ive done this before (Score:5, Interesting)
The idea really isn't all that new (Score:3, Funny)
Apple recently captured criminals with iSights (Score:2)
The whole incident was caught on iSight webcams and used as evidence.
I recently helped with a setup of a system using an iSight Camera and a Blue and White G3 to help catch who was stealing laptops and other items out of the fridge at a local university.
Read the story here
Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights (Score:2)
Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights (Score:2, Redundant)
Anyone who stores his/her laptop in a fridge deserves to have it stolen.
I'm not so lucky... (Score:3, Interesting)
Stories like this only sound cool when someone paid attention...
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How about picking up some of this? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How about picking up some of this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Horrible for personal use (stained the printers and computers I saw it used it), expensive, easy to see and therefore remove. I wouldn't know where you would stand on warranty etc. if you daubed this stuff on something that you later needed to return.
Re:How about picking up some of this? (Score:3, Insightful)
2. Break into someone's house and spray his stuff with it
3. Walk over to the cops and request a search warrant
4. Have the stuff delivered to your house at HIS cost.
5. Sit back and laugh as he's led to jail
6. Profit?
Creative web cam monitor (Score:2, Interesting)
Were the webcams using reasonable force? (Score:2)
Serial Burglars? (Score:4, Funny)
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Creative Commons (Score:2)
I've been using.... (Score:3, Interesting)
I've been using Home Watcher [homewatcher.com] on the Windows side for years doing this. It's kind of a nice program for playing around with webcam surveillance for the not not too serious user. It does allow you to upload the images to a personal website and the pay-for version has even more options.
Yes I have caught intruders with it.
I'm not sure I'd use it in mission-critical settings, but for home use and a little playing around it's kind of fun to mess with.
I am planning on setting up something like this (Score:3, Interesting)
Techical info (Score:5, Informative)
The camera is just a generic video camera with a composite output. It's connected to a BT-848 video capture card in a Linux PC. I then use motion [sourceforge.net] to detect motion and capture images. I then have some Python scripts I wrote that upload the captured images to an FTP server.
I'm afraid I had to block access to my server from Slashdot. I don't have enough bandwidth for the onslaught.
Duncan.
Re:Techical info (Score:3, Funny)
All kidding aside, that's a brilliant simple little setup, and I'm glad that it worked out for you. Have your possessions been retrieved?
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Re:Techical info (Score:4, Informative)
CoralCache [nyud.net] cache to the rescue!
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Whats he doing in the 2nd picture?? (Score:3, Funny)
Stripy top (Score:5, Funny)
Good security for notebook computers too. (Score:3, Interesting)
It's a z-star branded chip with a pb0330 sensor, Someone recently wrote a driver which supports it: the spca50x module
So I installed this, installed camorama to test it and mvc-0.8.9 to perform the monitoring. I'm still working on toggling it properly when xscreensaver-command is called and sending the files to another system/ftp site, but it's very promising.
This is the last piece of hardware on this machine in want of a proper linux driver (save the ati radeon chip).
The point is, it's not hard to set this type of thing up, and it's a fun project to work on with an instant gratification factor. If you have time and have to leave your systems in an open environment sometimes, it's a great project.
Nice to see such a thing in action!
And now for something completely different... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:*giggle* (Score:2, Interesting)
What makes everyone else in the English speaking world laugh is that Americans found it necessary to disregard that word and come up with their own, more complicated one.
"Burglarized" is a ludicrous word, not used anywhere else I might add. Goodness only knows why it was invented.
It's like saying "I shopperized for a hat."
Re:Web server stolen! (Score:4, Informative)
Or try this: coral link [nyud.net]
Speaking of which, WTF is up with picture number 2!!!
I thinking that must be the picture they showed him to get a quick confession.