Ask Jeeves Looks to Outshine Google 271
bizpile writes "The AP is reporting that Ask Jeeves is looking to distinguish itself from its competitors by adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine. "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president. "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor." This free feature is scheduled to be unveiled Tuesday." With Amazon's new search engine recently arising, it definitely appears to be a critical time for search engines.
Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:5, Insightful)
Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.
We don't like monopolies in our marketplace, and as a result we always have a place for the perpetual also-ran. Never able to capture the #1 spot may seem depressing, but it's still possible to profit as a #2 and be lying in wait in case the #1 player makes real big mistakes.
Google will have to seriously misbehave in order to give up enough market share so that Ask Jeeves can pass them. However, having Ask Jeeves parked in the #2 rank spot is enough motivation that hopefully Google will never forget its "Don't be Evil" policy.
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2, Funny)
I didn't find this to be the case at all...
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2)
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2)
You didn't read this article [slashdot.org].
I feel that a lot of Marketting departments really are blindly applying theories, but not evaluating results or adapting to a changing, more cynical populace.
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, they didn't mention one very important thing. Google's Cache. Extremely important in many of my searches where ANY reference to something is needed, even an old link...text only.
CACHE!!
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Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:3, Interesting)
Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.
Yeah, but people have heard of Pepsi and Burger King, and they use their products/services.
We don't like monopolies in our marketplace
Sometimes we do. I'm happy with google being a monopoly for my searches. I've always used one search engine. Before google it was altavista. If altavista or jeeves made a
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2)
Oh, I know, that's definitely going to be modded a troll. Whatever.
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2)
Oh no, you just have to find ways that the public doesn't perceive you to be evil enough that it hurts your market. You need to factor public perception into the cost of your decisions.
Google seems to do this well... Introducing ads is evil, introducing them outside of the results is also evil, but the negative perception is outweighed by the long term profit. Putting ads within the search results (as Yahoo did), resulted in such strong negative public perception that the reward from the advertising was
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. (Score:3, Funny)
Just as good as Google.... (Score:3, Funny)
The line Google is not better than us, we're both world class reminds me so much of Doctor Nick's "As Good As Doctor Hibbert" yellow page ad in the Simpsons.
Re:Just as good as Google.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Ask Jeeves' various search engines, which include Teoma, Excite and iWon, held a 6 percent share
Even at a 6% share it's a huge market. It is however difficult to get a better position by solely giving users the ability to save bookmarks. I already have bookmarks integrated in my browser of choice, thank you very much.
"Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president
Go tell that to the 36% of the people that are using Google instead of Ask Jeeves
Re:Just as good as Google.... (Score:2)
Re:Just as good as Google.... (Score:2)
Delocalized Bookmarks would be very handy for me, and once every fridge, PDA, Cel phone, GPS, Gameboy, Calulator etc etc has an integrated Web browser, it will be more important still.
If they do it, and patent it in such a way that Google can't follow, that could very well give them an edge.
Flavor? (Score:5, Funny)
Kind of like pork ice cream.
Re:Flavor? (Score:5, Funny)
Or from one of the Simpsons episodes, where they visit a dollar store and pass a stack of cases of
My stomach turns every time I think what that might be like.
OBSimpsons quote (#3) (Score:2)
Re:Flavor? (Score:3, Funny)
"No pizza. Only Khlavkalash!"
"We've got Mountain Dew and Crab Juice"
"Ew, uch, ewww, yuch! I'll take the crab juice."
OBSimpsons quote (#2) (Score:2)
Bart: Oh, okay
Apu: You can really taste the chutney!
Re:Flavor? (Score:2)
What's the big deal with Google? (Score:3, Interesting)
Detect*
is more convenient than
detect OR detecting OR detects OR detector
for example.
Re:What's the big deal with Google? (Score:2)
But I guess being able to explicitly do it yourself would be nice. A Google
Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:2)
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:2, Interesting)
Sort of, except ~protect~ gets me words which Google's algorithm decides are similar, such as "password", "defend" etc, and not "unprotected", although perhaps that's because it just looks like ~word~ means *word* but perhaps actually means word*. Hard to tell when it's not documented anywhere.
> literally hundreds of advanced functions that almost no other search engines
> posses..
*Literally* hundreds? Where are they? Is the ~word~ thing documented anywhere? I did
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:3, Interesting)
As for the features of google, there's no way I'll be able to list them all here, but they can all be found by looking through the links in help pages and whatnot...
Well, here's my attempt anyway: search within the url, search within the title, search within the page, search for similar terms, search for exact terms, search within ragnes of numbers, search within d
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:5, Informative)
That's not wildcard, that's synonym searching. From the Google docs [google.com]:
Google does do wildcards, but only in quoted strings. They don't seem to have documented it on their website, but I've found it here [squarefree.com], among other places. It's pretty powerful, but it's only in what google calls a ``phrase search''.Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? (Score:2)
What a crock of poo. (Score:5, Informative)
"Ask Jeeves is touting its service as more user-friendly because it doesn't require the installation of any toolbars or software programs."
FUD. Google and other search engines don't require toolbars or software installation.
"The next generation of search isn't going to be about who can build the biggest indexes (of Web pages)," said analyst Charlene Li of Forrester Research. "It's going to about finding better ways to personalize search results and modify the way the results are presented."
That's outright idiotic. I want the most relevant search results based on the largest index possible.
I just 'asked jeeves' to look up my real name in quotation marks: 481 hits. Google? 1420. A quick glance to the last hits on Google are indeed relevant. What has AskJeeves missed? Google isn't going to rest on their laurels, AskJeeves will be playing perpetual catch-up. Now when have you heard "Ask Jeeves" used in the common vocabulary? What about Google? It's a used as a verb now.
Re:What a crock of poo. (Score:3, Funny)
So is "ask" the trademark word pioneered by the just-as-good engine AskJeeves. It's even used figuratively outside the context of web searching - talk about capturing people's minds!
Re:What a crock of poo. (Score:4, Informative)
If you want to rate links you need the google toolbar.
Re:What a crock of poo. (Score:2)
Well, you're certainly a lot more famous than me!
I suppose you'd have done even better Googling your nick, although most of the hits would probably be responses to "Aaaugh! Why did Fedora just blow away my Windows partition?"
Re:What a crock of poo. (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't buy that. Internet Explorer defaults to MSN for its searches yet it isn't the top used search engine even though IE is still the top used browser. People have decided to use google over their default MSN search.
Re:What a crock of poo. (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't be silly, please.
Google was already the best search engine out there, and outshining Altavista (previous top-dog), before the toolbars/searchboxes even existed.
Faliure. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Faliure. (Score:2)
AskJeeves reads once and indexes at will (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, so I create a new robots.txt file that includes all the individual directories from the gallery directories. AskJeeves apparently read the robots.txt the day before and thought it was then ok to index the site after that at its leisure. It spent the next two days indexing my site even though it was ignoring the new robots.txt put in place about 24 hours before.
AskJeeves will no longer be indexing my site as I just banned their know IP ranges. If you are going to compete as a search engine you best make the people you are spidering happy.
MSNBot was spending the time indexing my site as well but they didn't fail to ignore the new robots.txt that was put out there. Thanks!
Re:AskJeeves reads once and indexes at will (Score:2)
Must... refrain... from making... corn... joke... Aughhh!
I prefer Aks Jeeves.... (Score:2, Funny)
Does Jeeves use Google? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Does Jeeves use Google? (Score:2)
Re:Does Jeeves use Google? (Score:2)
Yes and No (Score:4, Informative)
Not better (Score:5, Funny)
I've seen this before.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've seen this before.... (Score:2)
A Younger Jeeves (Score:5, Interesting)
Before:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030324210627/http://
After:
http://ask.com/ [ask.com]
Re:A Younger Jeeves (Score:2)
Sharp eye, BTW.
Re:A Younger Jeeves (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:A Younger Jeeves (Score:2)
That's not necessarily a good thing from a marketing perspective.
Captain Birdseye (logo of a UK food brand) used to be a snowy bearded old gentleman - an old duffer sailing around with a ship full of children. Perhaps because this might be misconstrued, they changed Captain Birdseye to a yound stud with a woman on each arm. It can't have done much good, because after a few years they changed him back again.
Been there (Score:3, Funny)
Diversity is a Welcome (Score:4, Insightful)
Just because Google thus far has been a very good company and used its power appropriately doesn't mean we should be satisfied with only one search engine. If we want to see innovation we need healthy competition, so I wish AskJeeves and all the others good luck.
getting crowded (Score:2)
CB$#@(&*$
To bloat or not to bloat... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:To bloat or not to bloat... (Score:2)
They had their little butler dude logo (Jeeves himself) back in 96/97, I'm almost certain.
I did just go check it out, and they have simplified the main page a bit, but I wouldn't say that's a 'lame ripoff' of google.
Who? (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Seriously (Score:2)
Time for a plug. My favorite search engine is this [vivisimo.com]. Doesn't give you exactly what you are looking for, but it uses clustering technology. The clustering of the reulsts, IMHO, makes it easier to sift through the results than either Google or Jeeves.
Re:Seriously (Score:2)
Is Jeeves Gay? (Score:4, Interesting)
AJ better if implemented as advertised... (Score:3, Insightful)
No NLP, no Q&A [Re: AJ better if implemented.. (Score:2)
If you read their technology page you'd think they can read your mind [ask.com], but ask.com cannot generate answers, not even extract them; it simply responds with link lists like everybody else.
In the old days, they had a feedback mechanism in place where you had to choose what you mean from a list of candidate questions that the system believed you wanted to have answered. It was cumbersome and is gone now, but there doesn't seem to be any improved Natural Language Technology in place (yet).
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They have the same answers to important questions (Score:2)
google [google.com]
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Rest of the quote (Score:5, Funny)
They just deliver better results and are more useful to the average user. And if that makes them better... [whispers to aide]what was my point again[/whisper]
so does everyone else (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not quite sure if this annoucement isn't just to make investors happy or to make the Ask Jeeves more 'sellable' but if search.yahoo.com couldn't wack Google, what makes AJ think they can?
Different flavors.... (Score:3, Funny)
I prefer my Google with chocolate and sprinkles.
If your favorite search engine were a flavor, what would it be?
deifnitely ! (Score:5, Funny)
It also deifnitely appears to be a critical time for dictionary.com.
Really? (Score:4, Funny)
I wonder how much boardroom time was wasted on trying to decided whether to announce the "Outshine Google" press release or the "Continue to Be Google's Bitches" press release?
Thank god there are highly paid staff in place at Ask Jeeves who can make the right decisions for the stockholders!
between the sheets (Score:2)
I just 'Asked Jeeves' something..... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes (Score:2)
Ice Cream. (Score:2)
"If Ask Jeeves were an ice cream flavor, it would be pralines and dick."
Why is this so difficult? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's all there is to it. Based on this blurb, I went to look at Ask Jeeves, and see what they had to offer. Ran a search, clicked on a result - and they lost me when they kept control of a portion of my browser window so I could run another search.
I don't understand why so many companies don't understand such a simple concept: get off my back. Isn't Google's example clear enough for them? I like Google because it's fast and accurate, by and large. Because it's a simple page that loads quickly even if I'm somewhere on a dialup. It doesn't pop windows over or under my browser window. In short, Google acts like they want to help me, rather than like they want me to help them.
That's all there is to it. I can't think of a feature a search engine could add that would overcome Google's interface advantage. To get my clicks, another search engine would have to have an even more simple interface, and I see that being hard to accomplish.
Wait, I lied. If a search engine was able to somehow figure out what I mean conceptually rather than contextually, I would use it all the time...but since that would require an almost human level of language comprehension, I don't think I'll need to worry about switching any time soon. As it stands, AJ's "natural language" abilities were just "we won't tell you we ignored 'of' and 'the' in your search request."
Re:Why is this so difficult? (Score:2)
Re:Why is this so difficult? (Score:2)
because very few companies are ran by people that understand what their company does, makes, offer's.
the "invasive" company tactics are always put in place by PHB's and fresh CEO's that think their idea is great and refuses to get other input on it outside of his "yes" circle.
The Good Boss and Executive seeks out those that hate his idea and will ask "why?" and "how can this become better?" and the rare.. "I
Searchblog Coverage (Score:2)
Interview With A Search Engine (Score:2)
To outshine Google, filter Wikipedia clones (Score:3, Insightful)
One of the most infuriating things about Google is that when there is a match to a Wikipedia page, there may be dozens of Wikipedia spam clones that show up first. Besides barraging you with unwanted ads, these spam clones are often outdated, and special symbols such as in math formulas tend to be corrupted. Once you suspect your match is in Wikipedia, you often have to do a site-specific search for Wikipedia even to show up on the list.
Wikipedia is important enough that it deserves a special exception to whatever algorithm picks these spam clones first, if that's what it takes to do it. Google ignores this problem in spite of repeated complaints. Fix it, Jeeves, and I'll become a regular visitor.
Telling. (Score:3, Funny)
First result of Ask Jeeves: Hmm? [ask.com]
First result of Google: Ahem. [google.com]
There you have it.
Small HTML Critique (Score:2)
> Search Just Got Personal. Take the MyJeeves Tour!
Ok, the whole line is the same style (plain red text). Why do I have to mouseover the last two words to figure out it's a link?
google advertising (Score:2)
Simplicity is the rule of the day (Score:2)
Dump Jeeves (Score:2)
Was there a specific new CEO who did it or did they jus
Amazon's A9 as search engine == Win 3.1 as GUI OS (Score:2)
Jeeves has it wrong (Score:2)
"Like its rivals, the company is trying to develop new ways to persuade visitors to return more frequently and stay longer once they're there."
What is nice about Google is that they don't keep you there. Once I have found what I am looking, I don't want to be in the search engine any more.
"Users of the new MyJeeves features will be able to save Web pages by clicking on a clearly marked button next to every link turned up in a search request. The saved link
New feature: Deliberately ignoring search results (Score:2)
One feature that I really miss in ALL search engines is the ability to mark a link as "irrelevant to me", so that it doesn't appear in subsequent searches. Kind of: "Don't show this link again" or "Don't show links from this site again".
Why is such a feature desirable? If you want to monitor the Web for an special topic, and you only want to see new results, it's always a pain in the neck to manually skip over old, known links or sites.
Any search engine that implemented this feature would be a breeze!
Stupid feature (Score:2)
Save and organize links to Web pages?! (Score:2)
Its "natural language" feature doesn't work (Score:5, Interesting)
For example, there is a series of detective novels by in which the author Jack London, best known as the author of "The Call of the Wild," is a character (the detective, in fact).
If you can't remember the author or title and want to find these books, it is very difficult to do so with Google. Most searches return mishmashes of results about the author Jack London and detective novels by other authors.
If the premise of AskJeeves were correct, it would be perfect for this search.
But, in fact, if you type in "What are some detective novels in which Jack London appears as a character?" you get exactly the same kind of mishmash as Google gives you. AskJeeves isn't, for example, smart enough to go in turn to amazon.com and search in "books" for "Jack London detective" (which returns "The Golden Gate Murders" by Peter King as the second hit).
AskJeeves doesn't seem to do much more than throw away irrelevant words.
If the "natural language" feature of AskJeeves worked, it would be part of my search toolkit. In fact, every time I've used AskJeeves, the results I get are inferior to those I get with Google or Yahoo.
Is Ask Jeeves offering these? (Score:2)
Re:Ask Jeeves sucks (Score:4, Interesting)
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