Walking Through SkyOS 5.0 Beta 311
Hexydes writes "TechIMO has published the first preview of the next-generation SkyOS platform. The article includes a first-look at what users can expect in the next version of SkyOS, a review of how development has progressed from previous versions, and many screenshots." SkyOS is a free operating system for x86 systems; it looks very polished for being "mainly (99.9%) a one man project."
Ob. Joke (Score:5, Funny)
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We're not going to make it, are we?
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No, it's called the 'IP stack'... Thanks for playing...
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Scares me everytime I hear their name
=> http://www.skynet.be/ [skynet.be]
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hobby os (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sorry...had to put the obigitory reference to it with all the other distros being named around here...hahahaha.
Re:hobby os (Score:5, Insightful)
Not trying to blow your argument out of the water, but do you have to immediately assume that there is no use for this because you can't find one? Gee, if nobody else uses my web portal software, why should I bother to develop and release it, too? Maybe I should just give up programming cuz nobody will ever see a use for it. I think it's great that someone can find a hobby, stick with it, and share it with everyone else.
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Re:hobby os (Score:5, Insightful)
Sweet merciful crap. What is nerdier than writing your own operating system?! I mean honestly, if Lego [slashdot.org]can make the frontpage then this guy's work most assuredly should be there too.
Re:hobby os (Score:5, Insightful)
He is NOT questioning why somebody would develop this. He is NOT saying there is no use. He merely wants to know what makes SkyOS special.
Maybe you should actually read posts before trying to make clever responses.
I don't mind seeing spots on SkyOS; I just wish other hobby systems were highlighted also. It reminds me of an earlier Slashdot.
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I was under the impression that Linux has a large community of developers.
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They intend to release the source.. (Score:5, Informative)
In the meanwhile, they had the SDK and DDK which will get you very far.
Re:They intend to release the source.. (Score:5, Insightful)
In short: it is easier to create a strong system by following loose rules and methodologies than it is to create one with no rules or methodologies.
Re:hobby os (Score:2)
I agree. Wasn't it this same kind of tinkering that advanced personal computers in the early 80s?
I mean seriously... if someone designs and builds their own version of an internal combustion engine and then publishes their work, they should be given some kudos. Not only is the exercise in itself impressive due to the skill involved, the fact that someone took the time to learn the process and s
Re:hobby os (Score:3, Insightful)
In the light of some dozen retarded case mod articles each year on Slashdot, this doesn't bother me at all.
Yes Hobby OS (Score:5, Funny)
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How about nVidia support. (Score:2)
Re:How about nVidia support. (Score:3, Informative)
2) XFree86 supports NVIDIA.
3) NVIDIA supports Linux.
4) SkyOS does not fully support NVIDIA cards --- no hardware OpenGL.
Atheos (Score:3, Interesting)
But I think one thing that killed Atheos is the same thing that killed almost any alternative to X: inability to support any modern graphics cards at any resolution higher th
Re:Atheos (Score:5, Interesting)
But I think one thing that killed Atheos is the same thing that killed almost any alternative to X: inability to support any modern graphics cards at any resolution higher than VESA. Unfortunatley this information is locked up in X drivers that are so tightly integrated with internal complexities of X that it is impossible to extract and reuse it, despite the open source nature.
Syllable has drivers for the following graphics cards with full 2D acceleration, and the ones marked with an asterisk also support video overlays (Xv in XFree86)
Porting drivers from XFree86 is not that difficult and lack of specs is a problem, but not as bad as you might think.
Re:hobby os (Score:3, Informative)
Nuff said? (Probably not -- but if you understood what is meant by that it would be enough
Screen shot (Score:5, Informative)
Windows syndrome. (Score:3, Interesting)
I would be more interested in talking about the internals, not the eye candy (which is not part of the OS in any serious OS anyway).
Re:Windows syndrome. (Score:4, Funny)
You don't rule the world you know?
Re:Windows syndrome. (Score:3, Insightful)
The Linux-view that more or less OS == kernel is not the only valid one, not even the most widely used or most useful one.
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For x86?? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is there a 64bit solution in development, or is this yet another project to keep our old hardware useful?
Re:For x86?? (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems to me that in the current marketplace there's more of a burden to make 64 bits useful.
Hardware (Score:5, Funny)
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Summary of posts, present and future (Score:5, Funny)
25% will say "Why another OS project? He should rather concentrate on MySQL/fishing/stamp collection"
25% will say "So what, it's his damn time, he can do what the pleases."
25% will say "HA! You can't even do math! 30+25+25+25 != 100"
Re:Summary of posts, present and future (Score:5, Funny)
Some might say that, but I'll simply thank you for giving %105 to us, the slashdot community.
Thanks Haggar, you're an example to us all.
Re:Summary of posts, present and future (Score:2)
Aren't they more likely to go off on the "charity" rant? You know, the one that goes "instead of spending so much [time|money] making a [homebrew OS|lego robot|wacky case mod], why doesn't the selfish bastard [pick up garbage along the highway|teach someone else's children to read|build linux based 286's for the homeless]?"
And I will say: (Score:2)
Also, I will register myself in the another OS project category and his own damn time.
Specifically: 1) I don't really see what is good or bad about this OS. It doesn't have any particular feature that can't be gotten elsewhere, nor does it do anything particularly well. That being said 2) it is impressive being primarily an single individual's effort. If only an attempt to
Re:Summary of posts, present and future (Score:3, Insightful)
Adam says foo
Bob says bar
Charles says foobar
Dan says foo
75% say foo
50% say bar
Don't mindlessly add up statistics.
I have two problems (Score:5, Interesting)
1) It's not free-as-in-speech. I take a dimmer view of projects that aren't open and have already taken a firm stand that they will *never* be open. Coupling this with some allegations of *possible* GPL violations (which were covered in the last SkyOS story), and it just gives me a bad feeling
2) I just don't see anything here to get excited about. Kudos to the author for doing this all on his own, that's great... but without something new and exciting to offer, it's just a toy project at best. I'd rather see innovative minds like this throw their weight behind projects that we do need (like better Linux games <g>).
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Um, quite. I read the review... it says, at the top, "operating system with one of the most intuitive graphical user interfaces ever. Gone are misconceptions about conformance. SkyOS serves as a reminder to GUI developers that the current status quo will only suffice for so long." This heavily implies that SkyOS has loads of new, revolutionary features, and a totally new UI from previous OSes.
So I looked at the review and screenshots. It's got a d
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
w000t! (Score:5, Funny)
Yes thats correct, we have successfully slashdotted two different sites in the same article! Keep up the good work and let's try for a triple slashdotting!!
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It's called a hat trick.
Re:w000t! (Score:2)
I play too much Halo.
Bad press (Score:4, Interesting)
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Mirrors coming soon! (Score:5, Informative)
QUIT STEALING OUR BANDWIDTH! =D
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:5, Informative)
http://skyos.lynx-tech.biz [lynx-tech.biz]
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:5, Funny)
Careful? As in "don't click the link too hard"? "Don't let your browser load the page too fast"? A teeming collective mass of idiots* (slashdot) is incapable of being careful.
* I know we're not all idiots individually. en masse we are the equivalent of one very large, distributed idiot.
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:2)
Because none of us is as dumb as all of us. [despair.com]
Yeas but ... (Score:2)
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:2)
Let me get this straight. So what you are saying, is that Slashdot is a beowulf cluster of idiots?
You submited the fscking story! (Score:2)
That my friend.... (Score:3, Insightful)
You mean you posted something to
Re:Mirrors coming soon! (Score:2, Interesting)
What license is the source code under? (Score:2, Interesting)
It's at least free as in beer, but is it free as in speech? That's what I'd like to know, and is the most important question from my point of view. Is it GPL, BSD/X-Windows, or public domain? Or could it even be proprietary but gratis? I can't tell from looking the pages from the SkyOS website I was able to see at before it got totally slashdotted just like the TechIMO website.
If it's closed source and proprietary, then forget it. Such a system is of no real use.
Re:What license is the source code under? (Score:3, Informative)
No source (Score:2)
In this day and age of OSS projects, that fact sort of killed any interest I had, as its locked into his whim on its longevity.. no thanks. I dont need another 'discontinued' project due to lost interest from the sole developer.
Its nice work and he get kudos for the *technical* side of course.. espcially for a one man team..
Re:What license is the source code under? (Score:3, Insightful)
Consistency, accountability, and responsibility is something that you hardly get assured of with proprietary software. On the other hand I would argue that you actually have a better chance of getting these three values with Open Source and Free software.
Let's take consistency first (yes, there is no letter 'a' in that word). What kind of assurance do you have that your proprietary software will remain consistent with your needs? All you can do is take the developer's word for it, and trust that they
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Politics in SkyOS (Score:5, Interesting)
Mirror of content (Score:4, Informative)
No-one seems to have modded it up to a point where people might start actually seeing it.
/. effect (Score:5, Insightful)
Just a few little question:
If we manage to slashdot all these sites all the time:
how come /. never gets /.'d? /. running over at /. to maintain /.'s high speed at all times allowing /. readers access? /. site so the /. site must be hammered at least as much as other sites...
What the hell are
Everyone must come through the
Karem
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From the Source (Score:5, Interesting)
Slashdot's new co-location site is now at Andover.Net's own (pinky finger to the mouth) $1 million dedicated data center at the Exodus network facility in Waltham, Mass [...] All boxes are networked together through a Cisco 6509 with 2 MSFCs and a Cisco 3500 so we can rearrange our internal network topology just by reconfiguring the switch. Internet connectivity to/from the outside world all flows through an Arrowpoint CS-800 switch which acts as both a firewall load balancer for the front end Web servers.
The Hardware: 5 load balanced Web servers dedicated to pages; 3 load balanced Web servers dedicated to images; 1 SQL server; 1 NFS Server.
All the boxes are VA Linux Systems FullOns running Debian (except for the SQL box). Each box (except for the SQL box) has LVD SCSI with 10,000 RPM drives. And they all have 2 Intel EtherExpress 100 LAN adapters.
The company I used to work for was co-located at the Exodus network facility, and I've been in it a couple of times. It is, in a word, awesome. The security is tighter than Ft. Knox. They usually don't let you past the front "desk" unless you've got a good reason. (By "desk" I mean a tightly secured room with heavy glass, steel doors, a million cameras on you). They make you wear trackable badges when you enter the building. You're instructed to not look at Altavista's boxen (which were also located at Exodus, at least when I saw it). Of course everyone looks anyway. The drool factor on these systems cannot be measured in simple liters. The battery backup system alone is massive, and there's something like 3 redundancies for each system. All the boxes are inside steel cages, most of the cooler systems use optical data transfer... There's enough heavy-iron Cisco in the building to grill yourself up a pancake the size of Texas. (Oh, that's crisco).
In other words, not IIS with a cracked copy of MS SQL running off XP Pro on an AMD Thunderbird.
And You Didn't Even Mention (Score:5, Funny)
Surely such an idea has tremendous merit!
Aw. No GPL? (Score:2)
Which is a disappointment, because I would hella like to see a good libre desktop OS.
SkyOS's critical fault (Score:3, Insightful)
SkyOS is receiving tons of attention. Whereas Syllable [sourceforge.net], which is being developed openly, under the GPL, and at a faster rate, is not. And why? Maybe because SkyOS's website burns through ~35gb of screenshot bandwidth per month, or its geekcooler or something. But it isn't fair to compare this project with Linux in 1991. Linus liberalised his licence from what it was originally to make it freer for others to use for their own purposes. Whereas SkyOS was relicenced and has withdrawn source-code availability with the de facto promise to "never" release it again.
Re:SkyOS's critical fault (Score:3, Insightful)
In short: it gets press BECAUSE of what you call its "critical fault:" it's restricted to a core of talented people who don't want a bunch of hackers fucking things up in the name of the community.
Let's see how long it will last (Score:2, Interesting)
All right, other developpers may have the source code but how many of them? Five? If two of them get children and stop working on SkyOS, another one dies, another gets arrested and the last one simply switches to another project, well... SkyOS will be pinin' for the fjords. Too risky for a big project like that.
Frankly, I just don't see why some developpers, especially with an OS project like this on
A quote of interest from the article... (Score:3, Funny)
Heck... having your teeth pulled without anesthesia seems painless enough, assuming you already have experience with Linux or another Unix-type platform.
Oh, wait. This is a pro-*nix forum.
How 'bout:
"Having your teeth pulled without anestheisia seems painless enough, assuming you already have experience with or another -type platform."
Re:Has anyone tried running this in VMWARE? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It looks like a good project and all... (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, the reason this thing is good is because it looks good. I think the menu has icons that are a bit large and all, but otherwise it looks very nice. There are other Linux distros that look very nice as well, but they are difficult to install for someone that hasn't used Linux before. Of course, it would be best to install an OS without a 50 page manual. So, therefore we eliminate quite a few of the best linux distros. The Linux distros that are super easy to isntall generally end up running KDE or Gnome by default, which are slow. If SkyOS is what it is, then the GUI will be faster and more intuitive.
I look forward to seeing how it all works out, and if I can find my 3GB hdd somewhere, I will install it and play with it - though it'll be hard to beat the speed of my fluxbox, but this one sure looks a hell of a lot better.
Oh, and unlike some of the "out-of-the-box" linux distros...this one is completely free.
Re:It looks like a good project and all... (Score:2)
System will go down for reboot in 15 seconds...
Re:It looks like a good project and all... (Score:2, Informative)
"Oh, and unlike some of the "out-of-the-box" linux distros...this one is completely free."
Nope, you are wrong. Source for SkyOS is not released or free in any way. Free beer, not free speech
Re:It looks like a good project and all... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:For something small.. (Score:5, Informative)
Would you or I do this? Probably not (I know I wouldn't), but I'll give this dude credit for what he has done here.
Re:For something small.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, but a man that wrote a whole OS by himself must have serious trouble working in a team.
So maybe its not such a good idea hiring him :)
Re:For something small.. (Score:4, Funny)
So maybe its not such a good idea hiring him
Actually, if you hire this guy, you can fire the team.
One man show? (Score:2)
Re:One man show? (Score:2)
Hamster [elbiah.de] is a usenet/mail server, not a web server. ;)
As opposed to copying names? (Score:2)
Re:Just what I need (Score:5, Insightful)
But, if people don't do other small OS's, or even dead end crazy projects, then a lot of stuff could be missed. For example if I'm going to write an OS, then I'd have to worry about a bootloader... Now let's say I write one from scratch... Great, a total waste, as me and maybe 4 other people on the planet will ever use it... But if LILO (or whatever the latest bootloader for Linux is), would have a problem, it's quite possible that my bootloader may have a fix for it, and then the experience gained from writing my own useless OS, would pay off by being used to fix the current popular OS.
And posting about these projects on slashdot may be what is required to get enough attention that someone examines it's functionality, and discovers that the useless project has something working, that their project does not...
Re:Just what I need (Score:2)
Re:Just what I need (Score:2, Insightful)
Only if you want to stress-test your webserver. =^.^=
In all seriousness, though, it depends on the project. If it's something that you feel will go nowhere but would be useful if it went somewhere (and you feel you have the bandwidth to cope) then why not?
The worst that can happen is that the editors wi