Roomba Competitor Slightly Lacking 266
tivojafa writes "Following hot on the heels of the Roomba vacuum cleaner, TV Products (USA) Inc have released the "RoboSweep" - "The intelligent sweeper that sweeps while you rest!".
Roomba by iRobot is an engineering masterpiece with 15 sensors and 5 motors to navigate and clean the floors. It has been stripped apart and there are rumors of a replacement processor so it can be used as a general purpose robot platform. Now the RoboSweep "intelligent" sweeper has redefined intelligence (or lack of it) - the internals have got to be seen to be believed." Very funny.
Please stop building robots! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Please stop building robots! (Score:5, Funny)
High Tech Design (Score:5, Funny)
Now that's what I call quality engineering. And I love the analog 'processor'!
Re:High Tech Design (Score:3, Informative)
These guys should be sued for misleading advertising. Do a search for "robosweep" on Google (or just click here [google.com]) Isn't it funny how all of the sites use the same exact wording? Who exactly runs this whole "As Seen on TV" thing anyways? Caveat Emptor!
seems like an easy project (Score:5, Funny)
One battery tray.
One switch.
One power socket.
One LED.
A few wires.
soo... who's going to be the first to get linux running on it?
Re:seems like an easy project (Score:5, Interesting)
iRobot also makes the PackBot [packbot.com], a unmanned robust robot for reconnaissance operations in urban terrain.
The robot is developed for the US Military, its DARPA founded, and it runs Linux.
More info here [packbot.com]
Personally I find this far more interesting than this "sweeper".
Re:seems like an easy project (Score:2)
Smythe has a Roomba robotic vacuum which he calls "Scruffy", just like it was a real dog. He even puts dirt down for it from time to time, and imagines that he is feeding his "pet".
How about Java? (Score:2, Interesting)
Pics here. [roombacommunity.com] It's kind of slow. Being slashdotted is not a good way to discover that your ISP does bandwidth limiting :-(.
Once the vacuuming brushes are removed the Roomba is much quieter and I am sure that battery life at least doubles. Chris.
More Pics (Score:2)
Re:seems like an easy project (Score:3, Funny)
If anyone actually manages to get Linux running on the RoboSweep, the only way they'd be able to one-up themselves is if they got it to run on a broom.
You get what you pay for (Score:3, Insightful)
This all reminds me of the DustBuster craze in the 80s. They all plainly sucked, or failed to suck dirt, yet they sold by the millions. Even the heavy-duty Black & Deckers did little then make an annoying whine and create a weird smell.
Today, the DustBuster market is more or less dead and the ones that have survived ar
You brought it on yourself (Score:5, Insightful)
"Have you ever bought anything off an infomercial and been happy with it?"
I cannot see why you would sell anything that way if it would sell in normal outlets.
As Seen On TV (Score:4, Funny)
I dunno if it's a chain or my local mall is just 'lucky', but we have a store called "As Seen On TV" full of all the crap that by all rights shouldn't sell to anyone with sufficient IQ to navigate from their couch to the mall.
Re:As Seen On TV (Score:2, Informative)
Re:As Seen On TV (Score:2)
I believe asseenontv.com is affiliated with/run by a company that deals in volume sales of infomercials and commercials.... product placement services.
So while they don't own everything in relation to the product, they do manage at least one aspect of its sales.
Someone at my office could better answer this question, but you get me instead!
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you George!
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:2)
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:4, Insightful)
A real grill is better (Score:2)
I have one of those things. I also have a real grill out on my deck. I've used the Georde foreman thing three times in two years. Everytime I've been disappointed. The food is faster, but has no flavor. When I go outside it doesn't take much longer, and the food tastes better, and there is no cleanup.
I know many of you live in apartments where you can't have a grill on your deck. However if you have the option get a real outdoor grill instead you will be much happier.
P.S. A real grill is worth sp
Re:A real grill is better (Score:2)
However, a long time ago, my friends found an excellent use for the george foreman grill.
LAN parties...
No gaming event is complete without fresh cooked meets and other tasties.
Of course... we are also the same group that decided to combine alcohol with Quake3 at the time.
Experience may vary!
USB (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:5, Funny)
Holy crap, what happened to my youth?
*ahem* excuse me.
Anyhoo, someone in marketing finally figured out what many college students already knew: you could cook a hamburger, a steak, or even bacon in one of those little grills. Make it a little bigger, a little hotter, and come up with a better way to get the grease out (previously "pour onto your hands"), and you have a can't-miss product.
And then, you add George Foreman to the mix? Wow, I say. Wow, indeed.
Keep in mind that getting Mr. Foreman's endorsement probably wasn't all that much of a challenge. You're talking about a guy who named all 268 of his sons "George Foreman". Getting him to sign on probably didn't involve any negotiations beyond, "Its name is also George Foreman."
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:4, Interesting)
The hilarious part to this is that he has sold the use of the name [findlaw.com] "George Foreman", in perpetuity, to Salton, Inc for 110 million dollars.
Dumb boxer ain't so dumb, eh?
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:3, Insightful)
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Miracle Blade Knifes! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:2)
The "Quick Chop." It works very well for chopping up any variety of things: herbs, nuts, veggies...
I think I paid US$10 for it and it was well worth it.
Re:You brought it on yourself (Score:2)
Simple (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Simple (Score:2)
been done... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:been done... (Score:2)
The way it worked was that between the two front wheels, it had a sideways wheel that was mounted slightly higher, so that it wouldn't touch the table. As soon as it got to the edge of the table, the normal wheels would slip off, and the sideways wheel would make contact, cause the car to make a turn, bringing it back on the table.
Nothing New Here (Score:2, Funny)
There are, however, a few key differences:
RoboSweep is
- more expensive
- slower
- less fun
And with almost no innards, it's not even fun to bash to pieces, Office Space style!
Be very careful when you see that "As Seen On TV!" logo.
When I was a kid... (Score:3, Informative)
I think my childhood toy cost about $10...
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
Please be nice to it
Re:Mirror (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
Be nice as well.
Sad attempt (Score:4, Interesting)
Either really sad, or really elegant. (Score:2)
The thing that gives me pause is that something like this could actually work, if you
man that thing is too funny... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:man that thing is too funny... (Score:2)
excellent marketing. (Score:5, Funny)
yes. yes it does.
Re:excellent marketing. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:excellent marketing. (Score:4, Funny)
I got one of these (Score:5, Funny)
The intelligent Robosweep? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The intelligent Robosweep? (Score:3, Funny)
Roomba -community-? (Score:5, Funny)
Wait a sec...roomba "community"?
I thought the idea was to give you more free time to do fun things. It's pretty sad these people are using that time to sit around in front of the computer and participate in some...pointless...foru...
[marblehead moment]
Ahhhh nuts.
PS:Obligatory slashdotting joke! That community site clogged up faster than a roomba in the wrong part of Dustbunnyville.
Old marketing trick - Ron Popeil is 0wnz5or (Score:2)
A perfect way to draw comparisons to a competitors obviously? better product while making no false claims or real comparisons - though the artificial intellegence is stretching it a bit. I would have called it 'artifical artifical intellegence'.
When is someone going to make a lego version of the Roomba, and open source the pla
Re:Old marketing trick - Ron Popeil is 0wnz5or (Score:2)
We have a Roomba, and it's very dumb (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:We have a Roomba, and it's very dumb (Score:5, Informative)
It's extremely useful, and does a fine job of cleaning the floors. It's not as strong as a big upright (which stands to reason, given that it is considerably smaller), but it makes up for the power differential with repetition. When Roomba finishes a room, it's as clean as it would be if I had done it myself. It takes longer, but of course I don't have to expend any effort, which seems a good trade off to me.
Roomba can get stuck like in a lobster trap, but a minimum of effort makes a room Roomba-friendly. Mine doesn't get stuck in the chair legs, but maybe my chairs are bigger than yours. A lot of my furniture has high enough clearance for the robot to get under to clean. Cables are a problem but this is no different from a normal vacuum cleaner.
The only major limitation I see is the battery. It holds about enough charge to do 2 small/ medium size rooms or one large room. Recharging takes about 12 hours. At first this bugged me, because I expected to vacuum the house in one go. But I ended up just shifting tactics; I do a couple of rooms in a night, then the others the next night. Turns out, the floors are a lot cleaner now doing a few Roomba jobs a week than vacuuming the whole house at a time once or twice a month.
stair test (Score:3, Funny)
Has the world gone deaf? (Score:2, Funny)
This thing would probably make life unbearable with the noise of the vacuum sucking up the dirt on the ground.
Why do I get the idea that I would end up just watching this thing clean my floor instead of enjoying my life. It would seem to me that getting off my lazy bottom and cleaning the floor myself would be a better way to appreciate the fact that I can move around than whatever it is these people think I should be doing.
Also, if this thing takes
Ummm... it dosen't vacuum? (Score:2)
Maybe they'll recall these things because they "forgot" to put in its "intelligence."
mirror (Score:2, Informative)
Damnation Alley Post Apocalyptic Model (Score:3, Interesting)
This product doesn't suck. (Score:4, Funny)
Precious Roy? (Score:3, Funny)
Precious Roy, Precious Roy
Making lots of suckers out of girls and boys!
Suckers!
But I wonder.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But I wonder.... (Score:3, Funny)
Are the makers of RoboCrap/Sweep going to sue under the DCMA, claiming that this dude reverse engineered the robot?
That would imply that there was actually some engineering involved in the creation of the RoboSweep. I think that's something they'd be hard-pressed to prove in court.
Case modding, anyone? (Score:5, Funny)
Replacing the NiCad batteries with LiIon would up the run time significantly.
Turning your kitchen floor into a maze of diverters so that it cleans the entire floor (instead of just the edges) would be a worthy weekend project.
A simple IR emitter-detector could cut power to the motor when something is in front of it.
Or, you could put an old i386 motherboard and wireless ethernet inside, and have a firewall and clean floors at the same time.
You could slam it, and have a low-rider cleaner. Wait, they already did that.
Re:Case modding, anyone? (Score:2)
Props to the first guy who puts hydraulics in one of these things so it can bounce! Then it might actually get some dirt under it
Re:Case modding, anyone? (Score:2)
LiIons are great for low-draw applications where you need a medium amount of power for a long time, but they'll die pretty quick if you hammer them for every volt/amp they can put out.
N.
Rodney Brooks (Score:3, Interesting)
Obviously, this RoboSweep thing is a complete fake. It looks like it's advertised on those stupid home shopping programmes (see the official website, the "As Seen On TV" blurb on the packaging, etc).
This leads me to reinforce my suspicion that all products promoted at home shopping programmes are fake and ineffective.
I don't doubt most Slashdotters are like-minded in this respect, but those who know people who order that crap, might want to tell them about the fake cleaning machine, and how that is probably only the tip of the iceberg (crap-berg?).
It actually reminds me of a toy car I used to play with in my youth, that had exactly such a rotating thing with small wheels on it, so the battery-powered car seemed to move in a semi-random fashion. I didn't find that very intruiging even at the age of five.
If you really want to get a cleaning robot, get a Roomba.
With a bit of luck, they'll sell just eight of those RoboSweeps -- to Dr. Zoidberg!
Re:Rodney Brooks (Tortoises) (Score:4, Interesting)
But even 1950s tech was ahead of the Robosweep. It did have a single light sensor, and through some clever work by Davis, could be constructed so that when their batteries started to run low, would make their way back to a recharging hut, given that the hut had a bright light in it.
If the robosweep could accomplish as much without any central processor (lack of central processing is, after all, one of the tenets of Brooks subsumption architecture, and thus part of the design of the Roomba), I'm sure Rodney would applaud the feat.
Where's the tea? (Score:2, Funny)
Has anyone actually used a roomba? (Score:5, Funny)
Before I buy one, I want to know if it will keep up with my two-year old. I envision some kind of evolutionary arms race between my daughter and the Roomba, where the Roomba gets smarter and bigger and my daughter finds new and messier ways to screw up the living room carpet.
Eventually the Roomba will evolve into SkyNet and a former California governor will travel back in time to shoot me.
Re:Has anyone actually used a roomba? (Score:2)
Re:Has anyone actually used a roomba? (Score:2)
It does a pretty decent job, even with all the cat hair we accumulate on the carpet. You still need to drag out the old-fashioned vacuum cleaner about once a month to get the deep-down stuff, though. Personally, I think it was well worth the money. I think we're probably going to buy
Re:Has anyone actually used a roomba? (Score:3, Funny)
love my roomba (Score:4, Informative)
My wife and I both work and my dog sheds, this leaves both very little time for the vacuming and a very large need for vacuming. We struggled with the $200 purchase for about 6 months, but have not regretted it for 1 second since laying down the money. (Check techbargains.com, you can find it for $160 delievered).
The roomba is right for us because we always found the vacume to be a chore. If you don't feel the same way, you probably don't need a roomba. As far as performance goes, every time the thing runs it fills it's little bin. The amount of dust that it picks up is remarkable. It can easily go under our bed, when was the last time you vacumed under the bed? I totally agree with one review I found that said the fact that you have to empty the little bin is (accidental?) marketing genius. Every time we use it we are encouraged to use it again, and soon!
It doesn't do stairs, doesn't handle the corners of some throw rugs well, and doesn't handle shag at all. We have to pick up the clothes/objects/garbage before using it (the horror). I really haven't found much to be upset about.
I put it in the iPod, VW Beetle, iMac, and Tivo category. It does something well, it's not perfect, but it's really cool. I didn't think I'd ever feel this way about a vacume.
Re:Has anyone actually used a roomba? (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, but does it have FireWire? (Score:5, Funny)
Um... does anyone else feel a bit confused, dare I say scared, by a music-playing vacuum cleaner?
Dunno... maybe it's just me.
Re:Yes, but does it have FireWire? (Score:4, Funny)
Heh. I reckon a few sharp blows with a sharp implement to the speaker should take care of disconnecting the sound
And In Other News... (Score:2, Funny)
Including the investors.
Only 10% of the populace is reported to be stupid enough to purchase off of TV again. Strangely, most of the 10% is made up of Americans with double barreled names, such as Peggy-Anne, Donny-Joe or Birdman-Sue.
Cledus the Slack-Jawed Yokel was not available f
Re:And In Other News... (Score:2)
Good vs. Evil, Analog vs. Digital? :) (Score:2)
We, on the other hand, found an engenious way to emulate those functions with sophisticated CPU, that costs more than TWO of those pesky sweepers!"
Hm...
Re:Good vs. Evil, Analog vs. Digital? :) (Score:3, Interesting)
Slightly more complicated versions were made for more money, which involved a simple optical reader and a rotating paper disc which the user would mark off spots for distance
lessons learnt (Score:4, Funny)
AND they are SPAMVERTIZED (Score:2)
Yet another reason to avoid them.
Reminds me of Blip: The Digital Game (Score:2)
To play, you would wind it up and a spring would drive plastic gears that would move the "ball" back and forth. It didn't really matter whether it was "turned on" or not since the switch just lit the LED.
Yeah, digital -- either meaning that y
Spamvertised (Score:2)
1st autonomous vacuum to cross america (Score:2, Funny)
1st got ran over by an SUV, them sons of bitches
2nd batteries ran out
3rd ran into bad weather
4th one was lost
5th one is still going strong, it things go well we hope it will make it to the end of the block by tomorrow.
hmm. (Score:2)
* it has no idea where it is. It might vacuum the same spot 5 times and never hit the other half of the room or hallway.
* the 'algorithm' to find a big spiral to vac is pretty stupid. Basically it just bounces around in random patterns, trying to fit a big spiral into it.
* it seems like it wouldn't have been hard to make it find a charger and dock over a charging paddle. Here com
holy crap (Score:3, Funny)
I have a theory (Score:2, Funny)
roomba video and pics.. (Score:4, Interesting)
pics [insomedia.com]
video [insomedia.com]
cheers,
pt
sketchy ebay listings for this crap.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Very very deceptive.....
And look at the crap description.... I almost fell off my chair laughing....
*Similar to Roomba but at a fraction of the price!
RoboSweep is a very affordably priced sweeper, especially compared to other robotic cleaners on the market..
RoboSweep uses built-in intellegence to stay in the room it's sweeping. Just turn it on and it sweeps! (Ya... sweeps your $40 away...)
Of course, at the end:
THIS IS NOT A ROOMBA! IT IS A ROBOSWEEP!
Just when I thought things were bad enough.... more searching finds some place [save2much.com] is selling this thing for $46!!
Caveat emptor! A fool and his money are sooooo soon parted on the Internet
Hey! (Score:3, Funny)
From one retailer's website: (Score:2)
The Easy, and Intelligent
Way to Sweep Your Floors!
Wouldn't it be nice to relax and read a book, or drink some coffee, as somebody else swept your floors? Now you can! That "somebody else" is an intelligent robot named RoboSweep!
RoboSweep uses artificial intelligence to sweep your entire floor. It won't miss an inch of your wood, linoleum, or tile! It will sweep and lift up anything from pet hair, dust and ashes, to paper and rubber! No more backaches, dusty brooms or
Ultimate geek robot vacuum... (Score:2)
Robocra-ahem-sweep (Score:3, Interesting)
I saw the pictures of its insides... and basically (from a long childhood of disassembling toy "bump n go" robots) I believe the RoboSweep is worth about $5 bucks, tops.
Do this:
1. Go into your local KayBee or Toys R Us toystore or swapmeet/fleamarket.
2. Buy one of those $5 buck "bump n go" robots/cars.
3. Dissassemble said toy
4. Note the virtually identical setup as the "RoboSweep": battery case, wires, one made-in-China 25 cent motor, little go-round-n-round wheels.
And reading the RoboSweep site http://www.youcansave.com/robosweep.asp, it promises the world out of what is basically a child's cheap-ass toy! Class action anyone?
Cheap american crap. This one 0\/\/nz0Rz y'all: (Score:3, Interesting)
Honestly now: If I'll ever get a vacuumbot it will be this one. This Trilobyte sucker has some serious tech inside. It actually learns the shapes of the floor it cleans and maneuvers through and past furniture. It starts at programmable time (when you're out of the house) and goes back to it's recharge station when finished. THAT is a vacubot. That other one is a toy that will chrush to chunky kibbles if I accidentally step on it. Or make that 'on purpose'.
Re:Zero comments... (Score:3, Interesting)
Btw, if
Don't insult can openers like that... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Give 'em a b reak (Score:2)
Re:Flexible Frank (Score:2)
The mail has to sit on the satchel in front of the robot chute, you have to cover up the drain, and you have to hang the dressing gown from the hook on the wall.
I am SUCH a geek that I remember that.
Re:I'll keep my robovacuum (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Circular shape of roomba sucks (Score:2)