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Xi Tells Gates China Is Willing To Engage in Tech Cooperation (bloomberg.com) 60

Posted by msmash from the how-about-that dept.
President Xi Jinping said China is willing to work with the world on technology innovation and global challenges including pandemic prevention during a meeting with American billionaire Bill Gates. From a report: "You are the first American friend I've met in Beijing this year," Xi told the Microsoft co-founder on Friday, according to state broadcaster China Central Television. "I've always said that the foundation of China-US ties lies among the people," the Chinese leader added. "We always pin our hopes on American people and hope the two peoples can continue to be friendly." China's top diplomat Wang Yi and Foreign Secretary Qin Gang attended the meeting. Xi's sit down with Gates raises expectations for the Chinese leader to meet with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken who is set to visit Beijing on a two-day trip from Sunday. That rescheduled visit aims to reset ties between the world's largest economies, after a spat over an alleged Chinese spy balloon derailed high-level exchanges earlier this year.
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  • "By which I mean" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:04AM (#63607660)

    "Put all your tech somewhere we can take it"

    • Re:"By which I mean" (Score:4, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:19AM (#63607808) Homepage Journal

      Too late for that, Microsoft has been operating in China for a couple of decades now. They have all their cloud technology over there, and obviously Windows/Office.

      China has been good to Microsoft. In exchange for enforcing government censorship and complying with user data access laws, China has done a lot to enforce Microsoft's copyrights. All the big PC manufacturers licence Windows, and Azure cloud services are generating some decent revenue.

      Apple is the same, does much of their manufacturing over there, and of course has iCloud servers in-country. Somehow Chinese phone manufacturers must have invented time machines and stolen Apple's future technology before they invented it, because they are quite a way ahead in some areas.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by jonadab ( 583620 )
      That's a pretty loose translation. I mean, it's not wrong, but let's be a little more precise here...

      > China is willing

      The Chinese government wants

      > to work with the world

      to convince the world

      > on technology innovation

      to hand over all technology and innovation

      > and global challenges

      and help us control what people say and think,

      > including pandemic prevention

      and we'll throw in a couple of irrelevant buzzwords vaguely related to what you were saying, because we think you are gullible enough to

      • Kudos - I seldom read anything that's so entertaining while also being so insightful.

        Have you ever watched serpentZA's videos on YouTube? He lived in China for 14 years and left because he feared for his life. He's paying them back by posting lots of inside video and information that most people outside China, and a good many inside it, wouldn't otherwise have access to.

        He paints a picture of a country that is utterly falling apart - it's basically all facades, window-dressing, lipstick and mascara covering

  • "We need your tech. We will tell you that we will share our tech, but will only share some of it."

  • Who in their right mind would trust either of these people?

  • Step 1 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:50AM (#63607740)

    Step one in "Tech Cooperation" would be to allow foreign companies to operate independently in China, without having to partner with a government-approved Chinese company.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      That's only true in a limited number of sectors that are considered important to national security, and "tech" isn't one of them.

      The law changed in 2019, opening up many more areas where joint ventures are no longer needed. Even before then, tech wasn't one of those areas. For example, Apple was able to have a wholly owned and operated subsidiary in China long ago.

      It's similar to how Western countries require some things to be done domestically for "security" reasons (in reality it's often competition reaso

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        -1 unfortunate truth I guess.

      • Every company I have personally interacted with who have operations in China have had this restriction placed on them. This includes a niche manufacturing software company, a few steel companies, a car company, a consumer electronics company, and a medical device company. None were allowed to open their own facilities in China, all had to partner with a government approved company. In one case the government created a company just so the US company had to partner with them.

        These are all companies who want t

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by jonadab ( 583620 )
      No, you don't understand what cooperation is. Cooperation in this context is win-win mutual cooperation, which means you give the Chinese government whatever it wants (win), and then you are invested (sunk cost fallacy) and feel like you have to continue to invest in China (win) in hopes of somehow getting something of value out of the relationship. See how that works? The CCP wins, and then it wins again. That's win-win.

  • The billionaire class is *NOT* 'the people', people.

    • Oh come on, thay are just like us, but better, smarter, more important and very much removed from almost every concern of the average person.

  • I'm pretty sure it's not "alleged"

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by HiThere ( 15173 )

      O, it is alleged. There's also other evidence, but that doesn't keep if from also being alleged.

  • Global types around the world KNOW the CCP is where the money is and will bend over backwards and drop their pants, for a chance to rake in the money from the CCP.
  • Why is Bill Gates, a private citizen, meeting with the head of China?

    I know the answer. It's a Rhetorical question. It's especially funny to watch "communist" China so obviously being a run of the mill corrupt late stage capitalist nation.
  • The two biggest data thieves in the world want to cooperate in tech
  • Shame on you, fool me twice...
  • Ideas can't be stolen. That used to be a fundamental agreement among Slashdot patrons. But, I'm old and war is cool now.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by HiThere ( 15173 )

      Ideas can't be stolen, except in a figurative sense. That's literally true. But lots of things associated with them can. Patent rigths, for example. (Though it's a bit strange to talk about a country stealing patent rights, when patents only exist due to a country's laws. Similar thoughts come up when considering things like "market share".) Perhaps "property is theft" is correct after all.

    • No but they sure as hell can be counterfeited. Poorly and Unsafely.

    • Re: China is not your enemy (Score:5, Informative)

      by Albinoman ( 584294 ) on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:06PM (#63608214)
      China teaches their kids to hate Americans and Japanese and the CCP approves of it. It's not hard to find footage of Chinese children saying they want to kill us when they grow up.
      • I lived in China many years as an expat before Xi Jinping came in. The reception to Americans was universally positive and likewise American perception of China was generally positive. A mutual decline in perception is a result of the new cold war, which is more America's fault than China's. Hear it straight from a former Pentagon lawyer and US Senator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] You are right about the Japanese however, they never forgave them for WWII and this grudge is has been passed down from

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I'm sure you can find some video of that, just a shame you forgot to link to it. I can tell you from personal experience that children in my family have not been told to hate Americans or want to kill them.

        I'm not American but I get mistaken for one sometimes, and nobody openly hates me or tries to kill me when I go to China.

        Japan, sure, there is a lot of animosity. They teach modern Chinese history in school, after all. Japanese people are often the villains in historical dramas. Americans are generally p

  • What is the value add for anyone other than for China?

    They've tried this previously and it turned into theft of intellectual property, no copyright enforcement, discrimatory court rulings favoring domestic firms. Companies thought it would open the Chinese market to them and the billion potential customers- only to be hampered and domestic copies to actually take that market and then offer competition in markets these companies once dominated in.

    How many times do companies need to invest billions in resear

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  • "I've always said that the foundation of China-US ties lies among the people," the Chinese leader added.

    then why is xi meeting with gates?

    as they say in hollywood, have your people call my people.

  • Yes, it is kind of appeasement to talk to someone like this. The question is, does appeasement truly have no value?

    If the original version of appeasement hadn't happened, I don't believe for a second that the events afterward would have been as morally clear as they were. It was the courage (yes, courage) of Neville Chamberlain in pretending that a complete madman might be capable of something better that made all the difference.

    And let's be clear: Sometimes bad is not as bad as it seems. The histo

    • Show him what? That he should put up a naval blockade of Taiwan tomorrow?

      That's what cowtowing to his sensibilities does.

  • Gates should be prosecuted for conducting US foreign policy without a portfolio from the government.

  • Muh Real Politiks, muh purity spirals ... fuck off. There are limits to how far you can go with wheeling and dealing with dictators before all your credibility is gone, this is now where Gates is. Regardless of how admirable Gates aims are, this shows how far would he go to justify means.

    Gates will justify any and all means to contain disease, it seems. No other value can survive in the face of a virus to Gates, it seems. Unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and says Taiwan should be recognized as an ind

  • I for one, would love to have been a fly on the wall to hear what those two would have actually been discussing. I'm sure it would be very enlightening to find out. We'll just have to use our imaginations.

  • Two of the world's most fucked up people held a meeting. Expect more fuckery to ensue.

  • "I've always said that the foundation of China-US ties lies among the people,"

    So why, then, are these two robots talking. Gates and Xi have more in common with a refrigerator than an actual live human.

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