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Yahoo! Opens up Their Instant Messenger 127

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the all-this-cooperation-is-making-me-nervous dept.
prostoalex writes "Reuters is reporting on the new release of Yahoo! Messenger, which will allow third-party applications and plugins to run within the Messenger environment. From the article: 'Initial partners include 30 Boxes, a calendar-sharing site that competes with Google Calendar, commodities trading site Hedgestreet.com and Pando.com, which offers a service for sharing videos or other files via BitTorrent technology. More than 100 mini-programs will be available initially.' The application is currently available in beta. Relatedly, Microsoft is removing the beta warning label from Windows Live Messenger and promises better voice communications, landline calls and future integration with Yahoo! Messenger."
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Yahoo! Opens up Their Instant Messenger

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  • One thing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by PunkOfLinux (870955)
    I'm wondering... Will they make it so that ANY of this runs on Linux? If not, why should I care?
    • Just use GAIM [sourceforge.net] or Trillian [ceruleanstudios.com].

      signature goes here

      • Re:One thing (Score:3, Informative)

        by reset_button (903303)
        Trillian
        System Requirements
        Microsoft Windows 98, 2000, ME or XP Home Edition or XP Professional Edition
        I missed where it says "or Linux"...
        • Re:One thing (Score:1, Insightful)

          My bad, for some reason I was convinced that Trillian had a Linux client. Actually, I'm really surprised that they don't.

          • Re:One thing (Score:2, Informative)

            by molarmass192 (608071)
            To your defence, GAIM does rock the house. I tried Kopete for a while but came right back to GAIM specifically because they aren't so Trillian-esque.
            • Re:One thing (Score:3, Informative)

              by baadger (764884)
              The GAIM 2.0 beta has alot of improvements aswell. Worth checking out.
            • I like that aMSN has video that works from Windows to Linux. Once google Talk has voice in Linux, I think I'll have no excuses to run Windows.
              • If you're happy enough to use something marked experimental, psi [psi-im.org] now has support for libjingle [psi-im.org] (Google Talk voice) in cvs (uhh, darcs). It's disabled by default, but it was simple enough to compile... A little sensitive with versions of stuff, but it seems to do the trick...

                Also, Tapioca VoIP [sourceforge.net] apparently has some support for Gtalk and libjingle...
      • GAIM doesn't support VoIP with Yahoo Messenger does it? I think the Windows version of Yahoo Messenger is the only one that supports it.
    • Re:One thing (Score:5, Informative)

      by Ilgaz (86384) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:46AM (#15567929) Homepage
      They don't even care for OS X version.

      That piece of shame isn't updated so it has some OS problems. A caring end user posted a patch to versiontracker and everyone installed it. I mean the people who need it.

      Patch: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 29522 [versiontracker.com]

      Yahoo Messenger (the scandal, check comments there!) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 14474 [versiontracker.com]
      • ICQ only has a classic.
        Of course all good OS X users use Adium or Fire as their cross IM network chat client.
        • No, apologies. I reject to use any companies product if they don't give a sh*t to my platform of choice. That means I won't use a third party client to access their precious services too. I use the Yahoo web (java,another story!) if I am in desperate need.

          ICQ 3.4 is both classic and os x version in single application package based on which OS you doubleclick it. It does send and resume files which Yahoo can't over 1 mb. In fact using Yahoo Mac messenger (!) to use any critical data is a huge risk since it
          • gaim does the trick of interconnecting Yahoo/ICQ/MSN for any platform

            the problem as i see it, that for open source project without financing it is almost impossible to get any attention. PR campaigns cost money. that links at top of the page cost gold.

            i struggle with one of my pet projects, which allows to send large e-mail attachments (among other things) - for example, this is a static URL to one of the "public" files picasso.11 [gomyplace.com]. This is Open Source (GPL), zero financing. and you can help me and many

            • The thing is, GAIM is always a third party (open source). These companies never open their latest API fully. For example nobody can do latest MSN transport which "official MSN" does.

              There is completely open standards based "presence" protocol, Jabber and it will be standard for Internet II messaging (already selected) and people don't use it. It is not exactly the end users lack of knowledge, making that jabber.org which everyone suggests a naturally unstable CVS version server is just one of the reasons. A
          • I reject to use any companies product if they don't give a sh*t to my platform of choice.

            I prefer that the company's product doesn't give a sh*t about what platform I'm using. Just give me complete interface documentation (or better, use a standard protocol -- in this case, XMPP) and I'll be on my way, thank you.

      • Re:One thing (Score:4, Interesting)

        by neoform (551705) <djneoform@gmail.com> on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @07:30AM (#15568116) Homepage
        They don't even care for OS X version.

        Yup, and they don't even care about windows.

        Yahoo messenger is extremely bloated (uses 30-50megs of ram), it crashes ALL the time on me (on multiple computers), and last of all, the protocol itself (YMSG) is horribly designed, no logic used whatsoever when they created it.
      • Yup, their messenger sucks on all supported platforms, but who needs it on a Mac when there's iChat?
      • Yep. They've put out 5 versions of the Windows client since their last OS X release. You'd think they'd at least fix the OS X client so that file transfers worked against their OWN clients...If you try to transfer a file to a user running versions 7, 7.5, or 8 of Yahoo! IM, it's broken - transfers against earlier versions work fine, however.
      • The Mac version sucked hard from Day 1. I installed it once and created an account, and then never opened it up again.

        Frankly, they ought to just take that abomination out back and put it out of its misery, and take the salaries of whatever developers were working on it (probably none, but you never know) and send it as a donation to the Adium project, since I expect most people using Yahoo Messenger on the Mac are doing it through that. (Or if they're not, they should be.)

        OT: Shouldn't the title of this ar
        • Google is completely open; you can connect with any jabber client and you can also connect any jabber server to their network (e.g. you can talk to people on google talk from your own jabber server and have a name like firstname@lastname.com).
    • Wny should they care if you care?
    • Re:One thing (Score:2, Informative)

      by larytet (859336)
      btw "Pando is free software that lets you send and receive files and folders of any size* with your existing email account" Windows and MAC

      goMyPlace will do the same on any platform and this is open source (GPL) and "No adware, no spyware ... no, really" you can check the source code, which arrives in the installation package

      • Actually, its quite different. Pando allows files(or collections of files) up to 1gb, you can send to whoever you want even when they are offline, and while it isn't opensource, it is ad/mal/spyware free. Never had it, never will. The offline feature is pretty key, Pando basically provides the initial seed once its uploaded, so if you want to send somnething to lots of friends instead of just one-to-one, it works even better. Also, while the yahoo plugin is windows only, Pando works on Windows and OS X, and
        • you can send files why your PC is offline assuming they were uplaoded once. goMyPlace proxy server supports smart data hash based caching

          the link i posted is actually link to the cached file

        • ...i mean there is an HTTP server behind this, but i could turn it OFF and the link would work, besides check the speed and file size. this is proxy server upstream, not my pitty ADSL picasso.11 [208.109.20.145]
        • ...sorry for multiple responses, but it is very seldom when i get feedback. goMyPlace is much more than just data distribution system. It is remote access system, which allows many things, including access to the remote host command shell via regular internet browser (no Java plugin is required). The hash based cache on reversed proxy is absolutely unique as far as i know. Public reversed proxys protecting sensitive HTTP servers is another relatively fresh idea.

          check this article http://p2pnet.net/story/9 [p2pnet.net]

    • example of gomyplace link picasso.11 [208.109.20.145]

      ...again - open source (GPL), both server side and client side in full source code

    • If they'd wanted to have an open IM system, they'd have jumped on board with Jabber ages ago. This isn't anything to do with "openness", in the sense that most of us understand it; it just means that they have a plugin API now. That makes it "extensible by third parties", not "open."
  • Yay! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Vo0k (760020) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:24AM (#15567855) Journal
    Another 5000 zombies for my botnet! Where's the API? Starting to write my "3rd party app" right now!
    • Re:Yay! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kjart (941720) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:44AM (#15567926)

      Not that I don't find that comment funny, but I'm curious why AOL adopting a 3rd party addon model is seen as a security hazard (I'd wager a decent chunk of /. feels that way - could be wrong) whereas Firefox is considered a secure browser.

      Then again, it is AOL.

      • Re:Yay! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by chromatic (9471) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @02:06PM (#15571398) Homepage

        It's difficult to imagine a web browser plugin that could harass millions of other web browser users as easily as an instant messenger client plugin could harass millions of other instant messenger users.

  • I will get people complaining that because I use GAIM I can't install their fancy new plugins.

    Then they will vanish from the internet. Forever.

  • AOL Triton?? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by gelfling (6534)
    Dear lord why are they making shit programs like this. Do you actually know someone who wants to use their computer to videochat at the same time they're talking to someone and IMing a third while downloading something? These IM clients have morphed into horribly bloated slow, cranky fragile pieces of junk. Just what we need - an MS lab project that they magically took the 'beta' tag off even though its the same junk as last week - to compete in the same space as all the other junk.

    And of course it will be
    • Re:AOL Triton?? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kjart (941720) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:40AM (#15567906)
      Do you actually know someone who wants to use their computer to videochat at the same time they're talking to someone and IMing a third while downloading something?

      Yes, I do - young people. Based on your ID, I'd guess you don't fit into that demographic (but I could be wrong).

    • Re:AOL Triton?? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Davus (905996)
      These IM clients have morphed into horribly bloated slow, cranky fragile pieces of junk. Just what we need - an MS lab project that they magically took the 'beta' tag off even though its the same junk as last week - to compete in the same space as all the other junk.
      I think it's mostly attributed to the lack of computer literate individuals that these applications are targetted to; They want to bring something old but too complicated to use to them, and pass it off as something fresh.
    • I like the idea of my servers being able to IM me if a situation arise.

      This is in addition to, not instead of, existing methods.
    • Re:AOL Triton?? (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I can see an analogy here. Mobile phones and IM-applications (both primarily communications tools) are turning into multi-purpose things. Perhaps there really is a demand.
    • Re:AOL Triton?? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by cgenman (325138)
      Do you actually know someone who wants to use their computer to videochat at the same time they're talking to someone and IMing a third while downloading something?

      I've actually video chatted with one person while IMing a second and downloading something. And I'm not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

      It's an easy usage pattern to fall into. You have a camera plugged in, someone wants to chat from a 'net cafe overseas (which frequently have IM cameras). You have a friend who is making fliers for an event,
      • Does anyone have a link to that Mac video where they had an application (beta, IIRC) that lets you use iChat to do whiteboard stuff, but the app used translucency to show, say a diagram, and your chatmates (still visible even with that backdrop) can scribble on the image or point or highlight it?
    • It's just Zarwinski's Law of Software Envelopment [catb.org] in action:

      "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."

      The PHB's in charge of the various companies' IM divisions don't just want to be an IM service, deep down they'd really like to figure out some way to accomplish everything you want to do on your computer with regards to communications. Really, I think they see themselves not as a special-purpose tool, but as a portal; th

    • Do you actually know someone who wants to use their computer to videochat at the same time they're talking to someone and IMing a third while downloading something?

      I'll take the last bit. IM file transfers are notoriously unreliable and on Y!IM, IIRC, they're limited to 10 MB. The Pando plugin let's you send files (or folders of files) up to 1GB, takes advantage of bittorrent, and is better at getting around firewalls than traditional p2p IM file transfers.

      (Full disclosure: I work for Pando Networks but n

    • Stop crying, Live Messenger is by far the best video chat I have ever used, has had few technical issues since version 7 and has more useful features than any other IM. I know you are obligated to knock all things MS, but they have actually been doing this project correctly and taken lots of feedback from the BETA community.
  • Too bad... (Score:5, Informative)

    by tacarat (696339) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:33AM (#15567883) Journal
    Here's the link to the story that they forgot [reuters.com]. A pity, though. They're only opening up the IM for extra, user made, modules. I was hoping they published code for the Yahoo messenger for the community. Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just update the linux version or at least make the current versions more WINE friendly. I'd like my voice chat and video, please.
    • Hmm, but you can already use it from within Gaim, Miranda or even bitlbee, can you? So what's new then? This is a real question, I always wondered how come these programs can use the code if it's not really open. Trillian seems to pay some of the IM providers for using their interface, but the other ones clearly can't (and shouldn't!!!) I'm glad with it, in any case, bitlbee saves my IM'ing life!
    • There is a Yahoo IM client with video and voice support, gyachi [sourceforge.net]. I have been using version 1.0.3 for the last few months. It is clearly a work in progress, with lots of rough edges; this version, for example, locks up if you try to talk, but will work fine as a listen only client. This works for me since I frequent a room where others play music (yean, not exactly high quality, but...whatever).

      There is a version 1.0.4 that is current, but I found it had some degraded functionality so I've regressed back
  • by demongeek (977698) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @06:46AM (#15567930)
    Viral infections and data mining tools that work from WITHIN the messenger itself. No more need to open up those nasty attachments, have a plugin that automagically executes files of all times and dials home without you ever needing to think about it....
    • i do not see reasons to use close source

      for example, this pando thing for delivering large e-mail attachments. goMyPlace does this simpler, for example this link picasso.11 [208.109.20.145]

      and goMyPlace is GPLed both server (reversed proxy server) and client side

  • I would not be surprised to see Yahoo! instant messenger to integrate with Yahoo! Maps. That's a trend that MS, Google and Yahoo are definitely focussing on. You can already map your Jabber contacts on Google Maps or Google Earth [slashgeo.org]. Yahoo! Maps licensing restrictions were also alleviated considerably [slashgeo.org] during last week's Where 2.0 conference.

    • I would not be surprised to see Yahoo! instant messenger to integrate with Yahoo! Maps.

      Just what the world needs - a tool that makes it even easier for perverts to stalk 14-year old girls! :o) Just think - when your prey IMs you, you can tell at a glance if you need to violate the "within 100 yards of a school" provision of your plea bargain! :o)
  • WildTangent anybody? (Score:2, Informative)

    by plebeian (910665)
    O boy they are following the AOL-Wildtangent model..... Free with one IM program you get a bonus of Spyware!!!(oops I mean an enhanced browsing experience). Just what the world needs.
  • ...how Slashdot has become a backdoor for cheap marketers. There is no link to TFA and on Yahoo! Messenger plugins there is no plugin for 30boxes a "a calendar-sharing site that competes with Google Calendar". Naughty naughty
    • Can't speak for the others, but......

      http://www.pando.com [pando.com]

      dimes
      • Ye...saw that one and using it. I found meanwhile the Reuters article [msn.com] and is exactly as quoted here. Wonder how 30boxes got there though. No mention in their official blog and neither no trace in Yahoo IM Plugins... The Yahoo Calendar plugin is pretty sleak though
      • ...and my Open Source project which allows to do the same - send large e-mail attachments (and much more) will apparently never cross even 10 uesrs mark, but you can help by particpating in proxy server testing - download a file from proxy picasso.11 [gomyplace.com]

        ...and sending feedback to me. any comments/remarks are appreciated

  • I'd trade all this crap for an older version of YIM that didn't crash constantly.
    (The current version has a buggy network library that crashes when you switch back and forth between networks, something I do frequently as I switch between my client's VPNs)

    The good news is that this will finally make it possible for someone to write a decent tightly integrated encryption module.
    Boggles my mind that all of the major IM clients are still sending plaintext across the network. I'd love to be able to use IM at cl
  • And NOW Ads! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Blahbooboo3 (874492) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @07:31AM (#15568125)
    Yes, and don't forget the best part of the new beta. An advertisment at the bottom that you can't get rid of! Wonderful. I am downloading the current non-beta version and saving that one for future use forever.
  • Anybody else notice this? On the download page for the Y!M Beta, there are three icons besides the msgr8us.exe one: Internet Exploder, Mozilla Firefox, and ymsgr7.exe.
    http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/msg/7/scr/d ownload_ns_step2_2.gif [yimg.com] Here is the picture with the Firefox icon.
  • by kckman (885561)
    I applaud Yahoo for opening Messenger to 3rd Party modules. For those people who use the service, myself among them, Yahoo must update Messenger for OSX, Linux. It is blatent disregard for the market that they are lax in updating non-Windows Messenger. This "tool" is the only Windows application I use, and the only one keeping me from leaving dual-boot Windows/Linux behind forever in favor of Linux.
  • Damn! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jessta (666101)
    Damn, When I read that heading I thought maybe yahoo was going to open up their messager protocal.
    This doesn't even deserve to involve the word 'open'. But it can use the word 'API'
  • by jj00 (599158)
    Now how about opening the calendar and address book?
  • Two things... (Score:2, Informative)

    by WWWWolf (2428)

    First, where's the alleged link to the Reuters article referenced in the post? Never mind, 15 seconds of Google News helped.

    Anyway, the article is a bit short on details, but the promises don't sound too, er, promising. What's it, really? Now people can write Javascriptlets and new plugins for messenger?

    Yawwwwn.

    Call me back when they open-source the client, release specs for the protocol, and accept input from the larger developer community. Until then, I'll be sticking with the people [jabber.org] who have been d

  • Try this little experiment. Keep your mouse hovered above the top visibility drop-down. (the one that says: - Available to everyone).
    After a second of holding your mouse still, a little yellow square will appear that says:

    You appear as
    Online to 1000 Contacts
    Offline to 0 Contacts


    Microsoft LCS Status: Online to everyone

    Could this be the first sign that the client at hand already has the MSN Protocol connection modules integrated? Wonder why they're not activated at all yet, as this is the only

  • Reuters is reporting on the new release of Yahoo! Messenger, which will allow third-party applications and plugins to run within the Messenger environment.

    Use Trillian. http://trillian.cc/ [trillian.cc] =)

    Really, I'm surprised Y! Messenger's not dead already. I think I have maybe one contact that uses Yahoo's messenger. Just about everyone I know uses MSN. Even ICQ's less ubiquitous than it was six years ago.

    • Really, I'm surprised Y! Messenger's not dead already. I think I have maybe one contact that uses Yahoo's messenger. Just about everyone I know uses MSN. Even ICQ's less ubiquitous than it was six years ago.

      Yahoo still has about 20% of the market. ICQ is less ubiquitous because it is now owned by AOL, who integrated it with AIM. The problem with IM, in general, is everyone is looking for the big win and wants their little walled garden to take over so they can make money as the gatekeeper of all IM commu

  • If the topic was "Yahoo! Opens up Their Instant Messenger Protocol/Network"...

    Where is the interoperability...?
  • Until I read the summary I thought that meant they were going to stop their practice of deliberately changing the YIM protocol every other week to break 3rd-party clients.
  • Does this mean that we can now expect the authors of the YIM transport for Jabber will be able to better support it?

    I mean, I'd love to see Yahoo put up their own Jabber gateway, but I'm more realistic than that.
    • Does this mean that we can now expect the authors of the YIM transport for Jabber will be able to better support it?

      Why aren't you working to eliminate Yahoo contacts by helping them migrate to Jabber? I've been free of the obsolete 4 networks for over a year now. It is possible.

      • You sound like RMS.

        I prefer to interoperate rather than proselytize.
        • If people would rather interoperate than proselytize when it came to email, we would still have to have different clients to email people on Compuserve, AOL, MSN, FidoNet, and a myriad of local BBSs. Do you really, honestly believe that exact situation the best answer for IM?
  • Do companies make money from their proprietary instant messengers? Is it just ad revenue? Every person I know either uses Gaim or Trillian or doesn't click on ads that show up in AOL IM. Perhaps it is just branding name attached. I am sure the competition is good somehow. Maybe it encourages innovation as each tries to outdo the other in features.

    However, when will it be that instant messenging gets a standard protocol (or regains it, i.e. IRC)? When I want to email someone, I know their address and I can e
    • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @11:47AM (#15570269)

      Do companies make money from their proprietary instant messengers? Is it just ad revenue?

      Both. Some companies sell "pro" IM clients and a number get ad revenue from the download page or from ads embedded in the client. The real money, of course, is in dominating the entire space so you can begin charging for access or tying to other features. No one has managed that and hopefully Google will get them to give up on it.

      However, when will it be that instant messenging gets a standard protocol (or regains it, i.e. IRC)? When I want to email someone, I know their address and I can email them, I don't have to think about which program they are using to read/write their email. When I want to call someone on the phone, I dial their phone number to reach them anywhere in the world.

      Additionally a standard protocols allows an individual or company to run their own server for security and stability reasons. Luckily, such a protocol exists. It is called Jabber and is an approved, open standard. Google has implemented it for their GTalk IM system and Apple has implemented it in their iChat program. I think GAIM supports it as does Trillian (pro only?). The difficulty is, since the existing protocols and social networks are closed, people can't easily migrate away without the ability to interchange. Hopefully, Google will take over enough of the market that other companies will see the value in being able to intercommunicate and we will all get that standard protocol and a defacto standard as well. You can already send messages via the Jabber protocol to anyone who has a Gmail account and the IM client is built into the Webmail interface to it. It works the same as e-mail for addressing, (username@gmail.com or username@somedomain.foo).

      Maybe google will have one.

      They already do. Also, Jabber is widely deployed in enterprise businesses for secure, internal messaging.

    • Do companies make money from their proprietary instant messengers? Is it just ad revenue? Every person I know either uses Gaim or Trillian or doesn't click on ads that show up in AOL IM.

      You don't know a statistically relevant sample, I promise :-) The vast majority of users use the proprietary clients. A tiny minority of those (less than 1%) click on the ads that are placed around the client. However, a 1.1% CTR is pretty much the industry average for any type of online ad, and the volumes of ads shown are
  • It would serve no practical purpose, but it would be funny to do.
  • So, is this the death of web 2.0? Are IM programs going to take over the desktop? Are we going to be running word processors as an IM plugin? If Yahoo IM suppose AJAX, anything is possible...

  • Heh... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by zptao (979069)
    Yahoo! is so far behind in the IM market that they shouldn't even bother. Not to mention their client sucks, of course.
    • I was discussing something like this with a friend not long ago. Yahoo was already one of the less popular clients last year and lately, with Google having entered the XMPP network, there are probably more users using XMPP than using Yahoo (Google haven't opened figures as far as I know, but when they introduced the avatar features into their client, they mentioned on the blog that a million users had already set their avatars, so we know it's a great deal bigger than that.)

      In other words, at this point i

  • Let's see . . . my personal list of IM systems now include:
    • GAIM
    • Google Talk
    • Skype
    • ICQ
    • MSN Messenger
    • *sigh*
    I don't think I need another.
  • Now the question is: when are they going to move to Jabber ?
  • by Baloo Ursidae (29355) <dead@address.com> on Tuesday June 20, 2006 @05:49PM (#15572879) Journal
    And yet, the world moves on and Jabber [jabber.org] continues to gain users.
  • they should improve the reliability of ym services. i get disconnected most of the time.

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