Screenshot Accounts 'Delisted' on Flickr 210
An anonymous reader writes "Flickr and Second Life fans seem to have collided head-on over a little known policy on Flickr that 'delists' an account from public areas, including search, when more than half of your content is non-photographic in nature. Flickr stated that most people searching the site are looking for photographic content so the restriction is in place merely to keep the site focused on its original intent. From the article: 'As a result, many screenshots on Flickr are AWOL — at least as far as the general public is concerned. That's angering and confusing some of the people who carefully stage scenes in the popular virtual world and religiously post the results online.'"
Makes Sense (Score:4, Insightful)
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deviantart is one of the slowest sites i've ever used.
flickr should definitely change their policy for things like this.
Re:Makes Sense (Score:2, Interesting)
Why?
It is not as if free blogs [livejournal.com]& image hosting [imageshack.us] are in short surply.
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"Well, our anal warts cream isn't coming along very well. It only cures both cancer and aids. Better scrap the batch and start over!"
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Its creators wanted a site to share photographs. Why should they have to accomodate anyone who doesn't want to use the site as intended? There are countless other options for sharing images other than photographs.
If I go into your house and start using your bedroom as a toilet should you be forced to accommodate me? Of course not. I'm in your house, I should abide by your rules. It's essentially the same situation here
Re:Makes Sense (Score:2)
You always have the option of going to rackforce and setting up a hosted server. I think the base configuration has 5G of space and unmetered bandwidth.
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anyway, that still doesn't fix the problem of the painful jpeg compression and the 600k image limit.
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What if I'm taking a picture of my monitor with a camera?
Re:Makes Sense (Score:2)
Then its a photograph and you have succesfully loopholed the system;-) So what's the difference then between that and merely taking a "screenshot?" Well that's the rub, ain't it?
I used to play with Scenery Animator all the time on my Amiga. Creating a random landscape and finding the perfect shot to place the virtual camera is very analogous to carting a SLR out into nature. They both take time and require more of an "eye" to be successful tha
Re:Makes Sense (Score:3, Interesting)
The free WWW account provided by your own ISP (or others) for instance?
Not very Web 2.0, but cheap as free and reliable.
simple solutions (Score:5, Funny)
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It brings up a good point though, since cameras are moving away from film to memory cards and pixels: just what constitutes an image? If you go the route of thinking that it's something that has to be taken by a camera, that severely limits what we could call an image. If you believe an image is made up of a collection of pixels in some organized fashion, then the range of things we can call images is staggering (PDF files, fonts, screenshots, etc.).
Flickr's probably just trying to keep from being overwhe
Re:simple solutions (Score:2)
If you take a photo of your monitor in place of taking a screenshot, then it's not the photograph people will be looking for, it's the image in the photograph.
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/Mikael
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Well in this case it's pretty clear-cut - it's whatever the flickr creators want to have on their website. I guess that could result in some "unfair" "censorship" but meh: their site, their rules.
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For me, I think the difference is that there needs to be a physical process extern
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Would it be acceptible then??
(appologies to dailywtf [thedailywtf.com] for copying an idea)
Re:simple solutions (Score:2)
(It would be a lot of work.)
Virtual != Real (yet) (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe Flickr should start thinking about having 2 sections :
Real photography
Virtual photography
Re:Virtual != Real (yet) (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, this is not news; it was in the click-through agreement from way back, and people who actually draw their own pictures in photoshop or whatever have already hit the problem, had an argument with Flickr and lost once already.
If nerd X isn't allowed to post homemade hentai, I see no reason why they would let nerd Y post a 3rd-rate imitation of same in Second Life.
Re:Virtual != Real (yet) (Score:3)
Photographs on Flickr do not need to be art, and art on DA doesn't have to be photographs.
Re:Virtual != Real (yet) (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not arguing that purely digital representations aren't art, just that they're not photographs, in the same way that a painting or a sculpture isn't.
Mr. Literal-Minded has the obvious answer. (Score:4, Insightful)
Heck, you could probably take a single photo like that and use an image editor to paste the screenshot into the genuine screen image. If television ads can get away with "picture simulated," why not Flickr users?
Delisted, not removed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Big freaking deal.
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check-box when searching? (Score:2)
Would that be so hard? Oh wait, we're talking about a site where character over-run in comments creates long lines which makes for horizontal scrolling on otherwise normal web pages. Maybe it would be that hard.
Re:check-box when searching? (Score:2)
How about a check-box that lets people include non-photography and or screenshots in their search.
Why? They don't want to host them at all.
My Rights Online?!! (Score:5, Insightful)
If you dont like Flickrs actions, dont use them anymore. This isnt a holy violation of your rights or anything else.
Re:My Rights Online?!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:My Rights Online?!! (Score:5, Funny)
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First they came for the virtual people, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't virtual... oh nevermind.
Re:My Rights Online?!! (Score:2)
- Kanye West
Re:My Rights Online?!! (Score:2)
"Flickr member Eric Rice, who regularly podcasts from Second Life and covered the virtual Vloggercon, suggested Flickr's actions could have a detrimental effect on legitimate reporting. As of Monday, Flickr showed more than 1,600 photos associated with Vloggercon, but only seven screenshots from the virtual version of the event."
See, it's clearly a violation of freedom of the press. The world must hear of the important events that transpired at virtual Vlobstercon!
Stop whining (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're really that obsessed with having people look at your uninteresting life, why not go and get one. Then take pictures of it. Sheesh.
They're screwing themselves ... (Score:2, Insightful)
However, Ito's images do show up in the Flickr group pools for his guild, We Know, and for World of Warcraft, because more than half of the images in his account are traditional photographs. In Ito's Flickr account, images he has taken of Helsinki, Finland, and Vancouver, British Columbia, show up beside an image of guild members setting out for a hike in World of Warcraft.
Just upload a crap load of pictures, yours or ones you f
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No big deal. (Score:4, Interesting)
Their own domain? (Score:2)
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What is Flickr's business model? (Score:2)
If they are positioning themselves as some kind of photography site, then fair enough. But it seems Flickr's focus is on the sharing aspect rather than the photography aspect. I suspect that the original intention of this limitation was to stop people from turning Flickr into the average viral cartoon/funny photoshop picture dump, and that overzealous employees took it a bit too literally.
After all, is there any significant difference between capturing a scene from the real world and capturing a scene
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Yes, yes there are significant differences. You see, most pictures taken of virtual worlds are boring, have little artistic merit, and are of no interest to anyone outside the immediate circle of the person taking them, whereas most real life pictures are... Oh, wait...
No, no difference.
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Then we get into the tricky situation of defining a "virtual world" vs. a "desktop application." Any MMOG client is an application, and a certain popular spreadsheet has a flight simulator easter egg.
To take it to further levels of headache-induction, many mapped textures in 3D games and other CGI are based on a real photo of the textu
Re:What is Flickr's business model? (Score:2)
"But it seems Flickr's focus is on the sharing aspect rather than the photography aspect."
I don't get that impression at all. I still quite clearly remember being told, upon signing up, that my photos would not show up on the home page until my account had been manually reviewed to confirm that I was uploading photos, and not screen shots or random art. That made it quite clear that flickr is about photos.
"I expect the policy will be clarified to allow things like screenshots from virtual worlds, b
Re:What is Flickr's business model? (Score:2)
But they do say stuff like "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time".
Anyhow, I would guess their business model was to be aquired by someone else.
In this case it worked! Yahoo bought them, and users will be subject to the Yahoo TOS, which among other things includes the phrase "which may be updated by us from time to time without notice to you"...
So, all-in-all, just another you get wha
Re:What is Flickr's business model? (Score:2)
Taking a real photograph involves depressing the shutter release button. Sure, a lot more goes into taking an artistic photograph, but does Flickr really have that many artists sharing their photos with the world? I'd be willing to bet its more people sharing pictures of friends.
Re:What is Flickr's business model? (Score:2)
Correction: creating a real photograph can be a lot more complex. In most cases it isn't, most people just point and shoot. And they are permitted to be hosted on Flickr aren't they? Even though the complexity of what they have done is the same as the people taking screenshots?
In any case, you've missed my point, despite quoting it. The process for creating the images may differ, but what
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There's a simple solution (Score:2)
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Does this "ban" (or what ever you want to call it) cover "photos" of my computer with the thing I really want to show on the screen? After all, my computer is the most important object in my life, or so my wife goes on about ...
Who's rights, where? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, some website actually implemented their policy, and some self-important people with a misguided sense of propriety got pissed about it. News for Nerds? Absolutely! Your rights online? Not a chance.
Market Forces (Score:4, Informative)
My personal favorite DeviantArt [deviantart.com]?
There's not much of a story here except that if you commit to one hosting service, you run the risk of them being complete jerks with your content choice.
Need my morning coffee (Score:3, Funny)
I was about to add Flickr to my bookmarks
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Your Rights Online? (Score:5, Insightful)
1. You have no right, natural, God-given or otherwise, to have your content hosted on Flickr.
2. The accounts have not been deleted, they have just been delisted. That means that they won't show up in a search.
3. As I understand it, you can still provide people with direct links to the screenshots.
Please, help me out here - in what way is this a YRO issue?
This is a YRO issue!! (Score:2)
In their hollow little self centered American heads of course.
People who want everything free, and don't take any responsiblity for their own actions instead blame others, society, genetics, anything but their own behaviour and choices.
In their twisted little heads not letting them do whatever they want is wrong and a violation of their rights.
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My So Called Virtual Life (Score:2)
Is it so hard to follow a site's rules? (Score:2)
Go find a different host if you can't accept Flickr's rules.
Re:Is it so hard to follow a site's rules? (Score:2)
That said, it may be that the screenshot galleries are drawing a lot of views. If flickr can generate revenue from pure traffic then they may want to support public browsing of screenshot images, otherwise someone else (snapzilla?) will be able to fill that niche an
Re:Is it so hard to follow a site's rules? (Score:2)
Maybe not today, but what about "tommorow"?
In other words, it would be nice to be able to offer low-cost prints of "screenshots" of computer graphic artwork and such. Also, what happens when "virtual worlds" (like SL, WoW, and others) become so realistic (graphically) that a screenshot can't be distinguished from a "real life" photograph (outside of pictorial cues that could never occur in real life, perhaps)?
These are j
Re:Is it so hard to follow a site's rules? (Score:2)
You make a good point that screenshots are moving toward photorealism. To extend the idle debate (doesn't that describe the vast majority of
As long as I can get to my poneys... (Score:2)
Downside of Web 2.0 (Score:2)
Sounds like there's a market (Score:2)
This is why. . . (Score:2)
Screenshots sites (Score:3, Informative)
http://multitap.net/ [multitap.net]
It's fairly popular, easy to use, has an API so you could hack it straight into WoW. Maybe some of you upset by flickr would like this?
Pornography? (Score:2)
Easy solution (Score:2)
Now, that wasn't too hard, was it?
You've all missed the point! (Score:2)
Well done. Carry on!
I guess I'm confused a (Score:2, Insightful)
You can still link to them from other sites, use them in [img] tags on websites, etc.
You just can't use flickr's search box to find them.
So... what's the big deal? Does anyone really search flickr for screenshots?
non-pornographic in nature? (Score:2)
Bad Move By Flickr (Score:2)
Flickr has to learn something about offering services on the web, the hard way. If you
Re:Bad Move By Flickr (Score:2)
Methinks that the number of Second Life users that run away will do anything but "burn the user base". And I really don't think that "they will die because of stu
Snapzilla (Score:2)
I have a paid-for flickr "Pro" account, I wonder if this affects them too? Doesn't really matter though, as I rarely use it anyway.
I ran into this problem with Flickr before... (Score:2)
Well duh. (Score:2)
Use manditory tags... (Score:2)
Being Flexible (Score:2)
This is another case of a company not being responsive to its customers' needs. Sure, their original vision was the sharing of photos. Bu
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Scott
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