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Ritz Disposable Digital Camera Hacked

Posted by simoniker on Wed Nov 12, 2003 08:14 PM
from the click-click-boom dept.
morgue-ann writes "The $10.99 Dakota reusable digital camera announced in July was usefully hacked on November 6. First attempts to extract picture data took 10 hours to read out 16MB, but new code for Linux and Mac and Windows lets you get pictures quickly over USB and view or print them without Ritz's help (and with fewer of your $$)."
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  • What... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Stile 65 (722451) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:15PM (#7460013)
    (http://www.chimairaworld.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday February 14 2007, @11:50AM)
    ...no secret Ritz crackers on the inside?

    I want my money back.
  • Beware the DMCA..... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) * on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:15PM (#7460014)
    (http://sanghahost.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday March 23 2005, @08:47AM)
    Ritz will probably use the DMCA to stop it. There's a good story [washingtonpost.com] in today's Washington Post regarding the DMCA and how businesses are being ensnared even under "fair use". In Lexmark's case (detailed in the Wash Post story), Lexmark claimed that their copyright was violated.

    As silly as the law is let's hope that it's repealed/reformed and soon.
    • Funny (Score:5, Interesting)

      by msgmonkey (599753) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:17PM (#7460037)
      That would truely be funny, using the DMCA to stop you from transfering pictures that you have taken and hence own the copyright to.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:19PM
      • Re:Beware the DMCA..... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:56PM (#7460355)
        Was it provided on a rent and return basis, though? If it was presented as a sale and the customer exchanged money for it rather than having to agree to any leasing T&Cs then it's hardly the customer's fault the company are idiots.
        [ Parent ]
      • MOD PARENT UP by Short Circuit (Score:3) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:02PM
        • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP (Score:4, Insightful)

          Well, go ahead and mod the parent up because it is a legit argument, but... if the business model falls apart because someone is "circumventing" an idiotic law that shouldn't exist to begin with, the business model is the problem, not the person who was savvy enough to figure out the work on their own.

          Any company who's business relies on a shaky, ambiguous, morally (and quite probably legally) reprehensible law that a bunch of big business suits bought with some extra cash they had lying around isn't going to make it and doesn't deserve to.

          [ Parent ]
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by JayBlalock (Score:3) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:59PM
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP (Score:4, Interesting)

            by groomed (202061) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:01PM (#7461144)
            The more often I hear this argument, the shallower it sounds.

            All business is based on some assumption of law. For example, you can't just beat up your competitors. Is it moral that the law protects the weak from the strong? I think so, but there is a case to be made for the opposite.

            In this case, we're the strong, and it's the artists, writers, programmers who are the weak. The DMCA is an effort to protect them. Is it therefore a shaky, ambiguous, and morally reprehensible law? Or just inconvenient to us?
            [ Parent ]
            • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP (Score:5, Interesting)

              by Pedersen (46721) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:56PM (#7461442)
              (http://www.icelus.org/)
              Maybe I shouldn't reply to this, but it sounds like a sincere statement, so...

              Here's some food for thought (and I admit that this may be a philosophically weak argument, but I've yet to find anybody to help debate this and make it better), and in particular, this is a basis for some sort of morality (yes, an attempt at a universal right and wrong, good and evil, etc).

              When a person is born into this world, that person has a fixed amount of time until death. That person is then able to trade their time (eventually) for stuff which is either desired or needed, such as food, shelter, entertainment, etc. In our society, we tend to use money to represent the value of said time (quite literally, time is money). Yes, there is much more to this, and I need to write it all down someday, but this summary will do for this discussion.

              Now, where does this idea tie in with the discussion? Well, anything which takes time from me without giving me back something that I value equally could be considered to be wrong or evil. For instance, if somebody steals $20 from me, then I have lost the time it took me to earn that $20, and it cannot be recovered. Hence, stealing is wrong in this system.

              Now, put it in terms of the DMCA and the limitations which are placed on those subject to its rule. I buy a DVD with the expectation that I will be able to enjoy the contents on that DVD. I have equipment which is sufficient to allow me to do so (to wit: A computer equipped with a DVD-ROM drive), and so this would seem to be a reasonable expectation. I bring it home, pop it in, and find out that, for no better reason than I choose to use Linux (instead of Windows), I am unable to play the contents of this media.

              Now, nobody will give me a refund on this opened DVD. The best I can do is exchange it for ... the same DVD. Which I can't use. However, fortunately for me, other people have found themselves in the same boat. And they have the smarts to be able to figure out how to make this work. Unfortunately, the DMCA makes it illegal for them to tell me this information.

              Under the DMCA, it is very possible for me to find myself out the money for a DVD which I might actually enjoy. Somebody has stolen some time from me, and I have no recourse. Now, before you tell me to use Windows, keep in mind that I must buy Windows, somehow, some way. Which means that I am out even more time. Or a stand-alone DVD player, which has the same issue.

              The DMCA steals from me the ability to help others make use of the items which they have rightfully purchased with their time.

              Now, for the counter-argument: The DMCA is meant to stop mass copyright infringement as has been enabled by the internet. I'll simply point out that mass infringers are already convictable under other laws. The DMCA gives no other benefits to help prevent actual infringment. None. It only allows producers of content to steal from me (and yes, they are stealing my time, by virtue of requiring potentially pricy extras that I may not already have to enjoy what they produce).

              Gah, it's getting late here, and my brain is shutting down as I type this (I think the first part is more coherent than the second part). Thoughts from you?
              [ Parent ]
            • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by pmz (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @10:23AM
            • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by pmz (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @10:27AM
            • The DMCA negates public domain by rbird76 (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:10PM
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by bluesnowmonkey (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:59AM
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by DavidBrown (Score:3) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:37AM
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by plover (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @02:31AM
          • Re:(DON'T) MOD PARENT UP by squaretorus (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @05:40AM
        • Re:MOD PARENT UP by Nogami_Saeko (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:10PM
        • Re:MOD PARENT UP by nolife (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:07AM
        • Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by stephanruby (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @05:21AM
        • Honest Business Model ?? by AftanGustur (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @07:42AM
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      • Hundreds of dollars to make? I don't think so! by Phronesis (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:45PM
      • Read the Wiki... by Ayanami Rei (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:29PM
      • Hundreds of Dollars? by tkrotchko (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:30PM
      • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by tinrobot (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:31PM
      • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by ksheff (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:51PM
      • Yes they do. by Gordonjcp (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @04:02AM
      • Hundreds of dollars? by pherris (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @05:14AM
      • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by salesgeek (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @08:04AM
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    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by spikev (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:22PM
    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:27PM
    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by swordboy (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:53PM
    • So Fucking Sue Me! by OmniGeek (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:53PM
    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by eyeball (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:17PM
    • But it's unhackable! by scoove (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:24PM
    • Re:Beware the DMCA..... by www.sorehands.com (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:58PM
    • RTFA - No Encryption, no DMCA by raehl (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:11PM
  • and now- by way2trivial (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:18PM
    • Re:and now- by gcaseye6677 (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:40PM
      • Re:and now- by Celt (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:30PM
      • Re:and now- by ceejayoz (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:07PM
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  • First Post! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:18PM
  • Cheap Digital Camera by pvt_medic (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:19PM
  • I don't understand... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by astrashe (7452) * on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:20PM (#7460068)
    (Last Journal: Friday March 26 2004, @04:22PM)
    I don't understand why this seems to happen every time.

    Why can't they use something like RSA to encrypt the photos so that only the Ritz people can read them?

    Do these people shy away from proven algorithms because they don't have the processor power, because they don't want to pay licensing fees, etc? Do they use proven algorithms and implement them badly? Or do they just figure that they can make up something on their own, and that it will stand up to attack?

  • Damn, damn, damn, damn! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Speare (84249) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:21PM (#7460074)
    (http://www.halley.cc/ed/)
    Damn, damn, damn, damn! Damn, damn, damn, damn! Damn, DAMN, damn, damn!

    I was just at Walgreens last night to try to find one of these suckers (who offer a different packaging, but same concept and circuitry). They didn't have them. I was going to go to a couple area Ritz to see if they had them. But noooooo. Slashdot broke the story and now Ritz will yank them off the shelves or others will grab them first.

    Damn, damn, damn, damn! Damn, damn, damn, damn! Damn, damn, damn, damn!

  • Somebodie's getting Slashdotted. by jmkaza (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:21PM
  • Business Model? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ThisIsFred (705426) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:21PM (#7460085)
    (Last Journal: Monday May 31 2004, @03:41PM)
    Does their business model (the manufacturer, not the hacker) depend on remanufacturing these things? I don't know about DMACA (digital millenium anti-competition act) violations, but I'd think a simple deposit on sale system what fix any issues with consumers keeping the cameras. It works for car batteries, it can work for these cameras.
  • How... predictable (Score:5, Insightful)

    by downix (84795) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:27PM (#7460129)
    Ritz did the same mistake that most companies do, they opt for the obscurity is security model. A smarter model is to instead follow the open source model that uses equipment that is prohibitive for the average user to purchase.

    Example, rather than use, say, USB cabling, use some proprietory GPIO system that only Ritz controls. Heck, patent the heck out of it. Only needs a $5 CPLD to impliment a controller, but most casual hackers don't care to get into hardware-hacking on this scale. Sure, someone will break it, but then those capable will be a limited subset of the market, and damage is minimized.

    Shoot, I should apply to be a corporate consultant!
    • Re:How... predictable by alienw (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:50PM
    • Re:How... predictable (Score:5, Interesting)

      Example, rather than use, say, USB cabling, use some proprietory GPIO system that only Ritz controls

      Too much effort and cost. This problem can be handled in software; much cheaper.

      How? I haven't seen these cameras, so I don't know for sure, but for $11 I really doubt they have an LCD display, which means that the camera has no need to be able to read the images it has taken.

      Since that's the case, Ritz could just add a little bit of code to their camera and encrypt each image as it's written to flash. Simplest case, just give each camera a DES key, stored in ROM or NVRAM, and have it encrypt each while writing. DES is fast enough that it can be implemented in software on itty bitty microprocessors with no problem. AES is even faster, but DES is simpler (and there are a zillion PD implementations in whatever language you like). Users can feel free to find ways to download the images, but they'll get nothing useful.

      Of course, if you could hack your camera to dig out the encryption key, you could get your pictures out without paying for "developing", but that's way too much effort.

      If that's not secure enough, Ritz should just have the camera generate a random 3DES key for each image, encrypt with it, encrypt the 3DES key with a Ritz RSA public key and store the key with the photo. To break that one, someone would have to either break RSA or find a way to monitor the internals of the camera and extract the 3DES key while it's still in cleartext. Doable, but you'd pretty much have to have your camera hooked up to a bunch of equipment while taking the photos. So you could get "free" pictures of your basement... Might actually be easier just to hook inside and read the image out before it gets encrypted.

      All of the code for either solution (on-camera code, manufacturing code for injecting keys, download and decrypt code for the printing) can easily be written, tested and debugged in two weeks by a competent programmer familiar with such things.

      Shoot, I should apply to be a corporate consultant!

      Me too!

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:How... predictable by pair-a-noyd (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:26PM
    • Re:How... predictable by The Clockwork Troll (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @02:35AM
    • Re:How... predictable by Scarblac (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @08:10AM
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  • Quick! by Aero Leviathan (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:28PM
  • Who didn't see this coming? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Trillian_1138 (221423) <slashdot@fr i d a ythang.com> on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:30PM (#7460163)
    Serriously. Could you please raise your hand?

    . . .

    . . .

    Anyone?

    . . .

    . . .

    Wait, do I see one in the back? Yes? Care to explain yourself?

    . . .

    . . .

    Ahh. Well, we have one guy in the back who was in a coma. Anyone else not see this coming?

    . . .

    . . .

    As I thought.

    -Trillian

  • by mackman (19286) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:30PM (#7460164)
    of failed business plans, right next to my collection of mint condition CueCats.
  • Bad PR for the Computer Community by prozac79 (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:34PM
  • Woo hoo! (Score:4, Funny)

    by AussieBastard (587090) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:35PM (#7460206)
    Now you won't have to get all embarrassed taking your home-made digital pr0n pictures back to the store for processing!
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  • Wise idea to have it publically editable? by MrBlue VT (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:37PM
  • But by Dagrush (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:40PM
    • Re:But by finkployd (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:49PM
      • Re:But by Dagrush (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:19AM
        • Re:But by finkployd (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:03AM
          • Re:But by Dagrush (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:17AM
            • Re:But by finkployd (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:31AM
  • how long till they envoke the DMCA? by halo8 (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:44PM
  • Dumb Joke (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anne_Nonymous (313852) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:45PM (#7460289)
    (http://192.168.3.14159265/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 29 2002, @11:21AM)
    That's not a Ritz hacker, that's a Ritz Cracker!
  • no brainer. by Beer_Smurf (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:47PM
    • Re:no brainer. by ChrisMaple (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:30PM
    • Re:no brainer. by lune tns (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:46PM
  • by Bendebecker (633126) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:47PM (#7460299)
    (Last Journal: Thursday October 02 2003, @03:54PM)
    Starting when someone sucessfully extracted the cheese from the middle of two ritz crackers. It was the first time in history that crackers sucessfully cracked other crackers, though I hear a few tried too hard and went 'crackers'.
  • Complete Loss? by BrianKHud (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:48PM
  • Some more technical info.. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Pivot (4465) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:55PM (#7460344)
    is available here [prohosting.com].
  • by telstar (236404) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:03PM (#7460404)
    It's interesting to see so many people respond that this is a bad thing. How is this any different than people that hack their XBOXs to run Linux? You're essentially using a device differently than its intended use, and depriving the manufacturer of an expected revenue stream. What's the difference? I'm not saying that people shouldn't have the right to do whatever they want with something they buy ... I do ... but there seems to be a big difference in how the slashdot community interprets two very similar situations.
  • Film disposables couldn't be reused.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by acomj (20611) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:04PM (#7460408)
    (http://www.plocp.com/)

    Those film disposables are actually reuseable.. The film is in a normal 35mm cartridge.. The trick is the winding mechanism rolls the film into the camera when a shot is taken (most cameras do it the other way around). so reloading the camera is practically imposible and not worth it (you'd have to do it complete darkness)

    I'm surprised they didn't do something similar to the digital cameras. Don't make it imposible, just not worth the effort. I gues they didn't try hard enough.

  • Deja vu (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Blue Master (675893) <wiesener@samfund ... minus herbivore> on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:06PM (#7460421)
    Hmm, anyone else remember the I-Opener [iopener.net]?

    A $99 computer with a proprietary (QNX-based) OS on a flash disk, that was sold at a loss because the company figured they'd make money from their dialup service... Until someone found the IDE connector on the motherboard and installed something else.

    Well, after a short war between the hackers and the company (including state of the art protection mechanisms as epoxy glue on the bios, torx screws, clipped IDE pins etc) the company finally had to raise the price of the unit, resulting in the sales plumeting, and in the end bankrupcy.

    Now, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to hack devices like this, heck I've got an iopener (running jailbait [sf.net] linux) standing next to my main computer. But there is a good chance that soon nobody will use the $11 developing deal, resulting in the cameras getting pulled from the stores.

    Just as there were lots of people happily using iopeners as they were intended, I'm sure there are lots of people happy with the service that Ritz is providing, and if so it's a shame if we, the hacker community, proceed to destroy yet another service for other consumers.
    • Great site by freeweed (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:47PM
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    • Re:Deja vu by finkployd (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:33PM
      • Re:Deja vu (Score:5, Insightful)

        by groomed (202061) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:18PM (#7461236)
        And another stupid idea dies a well deserved death. You would think someday companies would learn not to sell things for less than it cost to make them. We are talking econ 101 here people.

        Yeah, and it shows. Try econ 201 some time.
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        • Re:Deja vu by finkployd (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:00AM
    • Re:Deja vu by BillX (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:04PM
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  • and the battery....? by cr0y (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:08PM
  • How Reusable Is It? by billstewart (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:09PM
  • Slashdot crowd not the swiftest (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iamatlas (597477) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:14PM (#7460471)
    (http://www.promethean-fire.com/)
    Now, of course I'm included in this, but for this article and accompanying comments, I can see the wheels not turning too quickly.

    How many people in society use disposable cameras? many hands raise How many of you know or care about taking a few hours to go to the lengths needed to get this hack done? few hands raised. To sum up for everyone crying doom for this business model:

    Hacking value for fun: 8 out of 10 points.

    Hacking value for ...um.... actual value: 1 out of 10 points.

    In short, RTFA if you think Joe and Jane six-pack will care about this. If you still think this matters to the business plan after readinging TFA, keep refreshing untill you slashdot it again and get the I'm stupid page.

  • OK - but the pictures are crap so hoo cares? by jpellino (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:23PM
  • the resolution sucks. by beckett (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:25PM
  • use in model rocketry by Jafafa Hots (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:36PM
  • Why bother? by jettoblack (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:54PM
  • Those pics are nasty by RiffRafff (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:59PM
  • Let's get a few things straight... by TheTranceFan (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:06PM
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  • Kids kids kids by Trolling 4 dollas (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:07PM
  • Oh hooray by cubicledrone (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:20PM
  • Available in Canada by PsychoKiller (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:42PM
  • Has the DMCA won yet? by James Lewis (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:48PM
  • Epson Ink Cartridges by Mutok (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:03PM
  • Well, well by moltar77 (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:12PM
  • autopsy / dissection of the camera (Score:4, Informative)

    by irving47 (73147) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:29PM (#7461298)
    (http://www.keypad.org/)
    Found this on a messageboard... Camera autopsy / dissection [terrainhost.com]
  • For people who don't read articles (Score:5, Informative)

    by BillX (307153) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:38PM (#7461351)
    (http://goat.cexx.org/)
    Actually, some of these points are not in the articles, and (not surprisingly) seem to be causing some confusion based on some of the comments I have seen above.

    1) The cameras are purchased, just like any ordinary (non-digital) disposable camera. There is no rental agreement, nothing to sign, no deposit, etc. Some previous comments have asked about this. Also, the camera IS cheap; the hardware itself costs probably no more than $25-50 to manufacture, and likely pay for themselves in 1 or 2 processings. The big draw is that you can use them in potentially hazardous environments, and if it gets destroyed or stolen, this only sets you back $11 + a few minutes to solder a new connector into a new camera.

    2) The batteries are changeable by the user - they are ordinary AA alkalines. They will last much longer than 1 25-picture cycle (I haven't yet managed to exhaust a set), but when they do run down, just open the battery cover and pop in fresh ones.

    3) The sensor is actually 1.3 megapixels, not 2MP as claimed on the package.

    4) The picture quality is mediocre - but not nearly as bad as these [terrainhost.com] samples would have you believe (I don't know what happened to that guy's cam). Try the samples here [cexx.org] and here [maushammer.com] (middle of page) for other samples. The biggest problem seems to be motion blurs from not holding the camera steady enough (the "shutter speed" is pretty slow). The other problem is that the lens is adjusted to be in-focus at some specific point probably between 4-12 feet from the camera. In practice, your subject will usually not be exactly at the in-focus distance. While you've got the camera open to solder in a little USB socket (or whatever), you can rotate the lens to adjust it for other distances [cexx.org], up to within [cexx.org] an inch of the lens.

    5) Concerns that this hack will be singlehandedly responsible for driving the cameras off the market, driving Ritz out of business, etc., seem largely unfounded. They will probably go off the market anyway - last time I was in Wolf Camera, the sales associates were actually warning people away from these cameras, saying that they would get slightly better image quality from the film disposables (for less $$, and 27 vs. 25 pictures - it's a no-brainer, come to think of it...)
  • Probably redundant but.. by Aliencow (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:42PM
  • Two things... by BrynM (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:44PM
  • /. never listens - now we don't get the cool one by teamhasnoi (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:58PM
  • Thank you from Radio Shack by dcecchi (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:08AM
  • true hack=repurpose by mabu (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:19AM
  • I'm having Cue Cat deja-vu all over again.... by B747SP (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:30AM
  • illegal by minus_273 (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:42AM
  • Theft of the camera? by LostCluster (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:06AM
  • If this really becomes a problem, they'll just by WoTG (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @04:10AM
  • make people aware of the DMCA by t_allardyce (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @06:24AM
  • Fuzzy edges by AchmedHabib (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @06:53AM
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  • Slashdot: news for lawyers, litigation that matter by jacken (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @09:10AM
  • This camera isn't for geeks. by Photo_Nut (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @09:47AM
  • And the point of this hack is.... by oh2 (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:46PM
  • in Googlis non est ergo non est by Rupert (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:58PM
  • Not a bad business model, just bad implementation by dspyder (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @01:02PM
  • Let me get this straight... by 3rdParty (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @03:58PM
  • Simple Question : WHERE CAN I GET SOME by PIBM (Score:1) Thursday November 13 2003, @06:15PM
  • Re:Mirror! by PeekabooCaribou (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:22PM
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  • Re:Ritz Digital Camera by cgranade (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:30PM
  • Re:Not impressed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mmmrky (607987) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:31PM (#7460167)
    Yeah! And Lexmark put together a business that relies on revenues of printer cartridge sales. Congratulations to those hackers/crackers who have likely now put those individuals out of work.

    Wait...why is it my job to ensure that someone's business model succeeds? I bought the thing--let me tinker with it.
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  • Even less impressive (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sulli (195030) * on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:32PM (#7460180)
    (Last Journal: Monday October 22, @04:01PM)
    Check out the picture quality. [terrainhost.com] Would you spend $1 per shot on this? Pathetic.

    This business-model deserves to die a painful, CueCat-style death.

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  • Re:Not impressed by Kris_J (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:36PM
  • Re:Not impressed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Trillian_1138 (221423) <slashdot@fr i d a ythang.com> on Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:38PM (#7460234)
    I really have never sympathized with that line of reasoning. It's not as bad as the "but these new horseless buggys will put God-fearing men out of work" anti-technology advocates, but it's in the same ballpark.

    As others have noticed, Ritz put together a business that relies on security through obscurity rather than through, y'know, actual security features. Some of the ideas posted elsewhere on this topic included a cheap, pattented Ritz-controlled cable, limiting the hacking to extreme hardware hackers, or using an open or closed-source encryption method rather than a standard picture file type. Whether or not the hacking is "morally" clean (although it's almost certainly violating the DMCA, which on /. these days means to seem it automatically becomes morally clean...), everyone saw this hack coming.

    Ritz didn't think far enough ahead to prevent something that that was (apparently) relatively simple.

    And to stem off responses, this is not an argument about how hacking is good because it shows your "vulnurabilities." The majority of Slashdot has _seemed_ to agree that this argument is bullshit, as it would be if you said you broke down someone's door to prove its weakness. But Ritz didn't even put up a door in the first place. They seemingly made no effort to prevent such hacking and, as I've repeatedly said, seeing how it was so predictable that, as I said at the start of my post, I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for them.

    -Trillian
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  • Re:Not impressed by angryelephant (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:45PM
  • Re:Not impressed by kiolbasa (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:45PM
  • Re:Mirror! by technix4beos (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:49PM
    • Re:Mirror! by technix4beos (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @12:16AM
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  • Re:Mirror! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:50PM
  • Re:Not impressed by Pig Hogger (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:53PM
  • Re:slashdotted already... by Josh Booth (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @08:56PM
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  • Re:Not impressed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by FFFish (7567) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:18PM (#7460499)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Hey, I know! Ritz can get the government to put a hidden levy on Palm m100/m105 hotsync cables! Because, you know, everyone who purchases hotsync cables must be intent on using them, at least some of the time, for ripping Ritz pictures.

    Kinda like what they do with CDR for RIAA. It's such a good idea.

    After they're done with that one, I think they'd better put in a levy on Craftsman tools, because home mechanics are cheating Midas Muffler out of revenue, and a levy on Tupperware containers, because we're all cheating Safeway out of grocery sales when we keep our leftovers.
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  • Re:Ritz Digital Camera by roninmagus (Score:1) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:18PM
  • Re:Not impressed by dissy (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:43PM
  • Re:um, that's stealing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by EllF (205050) <ellF AT ellF DOT net> on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:51PM (#7460705)
    (http://ellf.net/)
    No, it isn't stealing. Neither is selling hardware cheaply and assuming that people will earn you a profit by buying your software. Both are merely flawed business models; stealing would mean that you took the camera without paying anything for it.

    Moreover, if you "rent" something and don't stipulate a return-by date or charge a fee for extended possession, it most likely would fail to meet any legal condition for "rental". The idiocy of a company can rarely be mitigated by the idiocy of law.

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  • Re:um, that's stealing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ewhac (5844) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @09:59PM (#7460744)
    (http://ewhac.best.vwh.net/ | Last Journal: Saturday August 18 2001, @10:28PM)

    The fee you pay for the camera is intended to be a rental fee.

    Do you sign a rental agreement? Is there any paperwork in evidence to suggest that the transaction is anything other than a normal retail sale?

    No? Then it's not stealing. It using your lawfully purchased property in the manner you see fit.

    Schwab

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  • Re:Not impressed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by finkployd (12902) on Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:40PM (#7461003)
    (http://homestarrunner.com/)
    Ritz put together a business that relies on revenues that it will no longer have. Congratulations to those hackers/crackers who have likely now put those individuals out of work.

    And shame on those who put together the business model. Honestly the stupidest business plan in the world has to be to sell hardware for less than it costs to make it. Do you honestly think people are going to feel bad at trying to maximize their utility from products they purchased? I use things as they were not intended by the manufacturer all the time. Do they have a legitimate complaint? No, they happily sold it to me and I have no obligation to help them succeed at what is undeniably a poorly thought out business model.

    Do you feel bad every time you don't purchase something you see on TV? A lot of people worked hard to put together that business. That is why it is called "risk" Sometimes you do something stupid and lose. The customers are looking out for number 1, they are not on the company's side (as companies are not on the customer's side) and if one slips up, the other takes advantage. Every time.

    Finkployd
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  • Nope, it is called a "bad business plan" by finkployd (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @10:47PM
  • Exactly - why hack a crappy $20 camera? by rblancarte (Score:2) Wednesday November 12 2003, @11:35PM
  • Re:um, that's stealing by LWATCDR (Score:2) Thursday November 13 2003, @02:41PM
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