Ukraine To Share Wartime Combat Data With Allies To Help Train AI (reuters.com) 73
An anonymous reader shares a report: Ukraine will establish a system allowing its allies to train their AI models on Kyiv's valuable combat data collected throughout the nearly four-year war with Russia, newly appointed Defence Minister Mykhailo Fedorov has said. Fedorov -- a former digitalisation minister who last week took up the post to drive reforms across Ukraine's vast defence ministry and armed forces -- has described Kyiv's wartime data trove as one of its "cards" in negotiations with other nations.
Since Russia's invasion in February 2022, Ukraine has gathered extensive battlefield information, including systematically logged combat statistics and millions of hours of drone footage captured from above. Such data is important for training AI models, which require large volumes of real-world information to identify patterns and predict how people or objects might act in various situations.
Since Russia's invasion in February 2022, Ukraine has gathered extensive battlefield information, including systematically logged combat statistics and millions of hours of drone footage captured from above. Such data is important for training AI models, which require large volumes of real-world information to identify patterns and predict how people or objects might act in various situations.
Good for those allies (Score:2)
I am sure they will take advantage of this new information for the future war in Greenland. [mediaite.com]
Jesus fuckin' Christ how stupid is everything. "Everybody is 12" theory going strong.
Re:Good for those allies (Score:4, Interesting)
This info will be for targeting Russian hardware. For targeting NATO hardware they'll have to ask the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans or anyone else that Putin has given the data to.
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Why would we want to target Russian hardware? They and Belarus are invited to the president's "Council on Peace". Why would someone on the Council of Peace ever be considered a threat? The president himself has apparently stopped 8 wars which I think nets out to like 3 once you include Greenland, Venezuela, and the now accelerating timeline of Taiwan as a result.
BTW its s fun read, these eight wars that were reported stopped. Lotsa head scratchers on this one. Meanwhile the two current greatest threats
Re:Good for those allies (Score:5, Interesting)
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I wouldn't exactly call the post-WWII system "less stupid" than what came before or after. Looking at the world we live in eighty years later I'd say Neoliberalism appears to be one of the stupidest systems ever invented.
"I know, let's send all our manufacturing jobs to another country and then build an economy around selling houses to each other at prices kids can't afford."
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That is literally what neoliberalism has done to the West. It's gutted our real economy and allowed them to loot all the assets with printed money.
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Even if that's true what's to replace it? Populism isn't an actual philosophy of anything. Whatever American Conservatism has become today certainly is worse in almost every aspect.
I do hope the conservatives realize that neoliberalism is actually what they'll have to end up supporting once the current Republican party implodes because the other viable alternative is social democracy.
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Yeah, it's between the earnings of the workers and the wealth of the owners.
Re:Good for those allies (Score:5, Insightful)
But this cost money for the US to bankroll all these systems
People unable to realize this is true and all we got for that money was becoming the wealthiest country in the history of history, global military supremacy and status as the global hegemon with outsized influence all trade and financial sectors. What a raw deal!
Re:Good for those allies (Score:4, Insightful)
And a hollowed-out economy, $38,000,000,000,000 in debt, unaffordable housing, etc, etc, etc.
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Everything I stated is true so if we have those problems it's not a lack of money, it's what we choose to do with our wealth.
So anyway, who did you vote for?
Re:Good for those allies (Score:4, Insightful)
The economy isn't hollowed out because of globalization and the country is not in debt because of it. Unsustainable debt and deregulation to the benefit of billionaires has been the platform of the Republican Party for decades, yet globalization is now THEIR bogeyman. Republicans caused this; they are not champions, they are villains.
Clinton left office with a trade surplus, Bush instantly destroyed it, then led the country into a catastrophic economic crisis which Obama took over and had to fight a Republican congress who publicly stated they would fight any attempts at recovery. The recovery occurred anyway, until Trump destroyed it.
If you think Trump or Republicans are the solution, you have a very long way to go.
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"The economy isn't hollowed out because of globalization"
What do you think happens when you ship all your manufacturing to China?
> Clinton left office with a trade surplus
Clinton gave China permanent MFN status, which allowed the oligarchs to ship all the manufacturing there.
> If you think Trump or Republicans are the solution, you have a very long way to go.
No-one thinks Republicans are the solution to anything. You appear to think Democrats are, which is quite bizarre. Until recently they both worke
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Clinton gave China permanent MFN status, which allowed the oligarchs to ship all the manufacturing there.
They were already doing that because it was still cheaper, so no, that is factually incorrect. It did make it even more profitable for them, but it was already profitable.
No-one thinks Republicans are the solution to anything.
I wish that were true.
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Until recently they both worked for the same oligarchs who have looted America; now they just work for two different factions of the oligarchs.
The only people who say and believe this are Republicans. Embarrassed Republicans to be specific. The gap between the two parties today is larger than it's ever been. Does that make Democrats super-effective politicians with good takes on all issues? Fuck no but at this point at least they believe in our institutions, at this point Republicans have ceded the entire idea of Article I to Democrats.
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Exactly. The problem with investing in a technology on the ground floor of explosive growth is that it costs money!
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That's our own fault for voting in tax cutting austerity conservatives back and forth for 50 years.
We made a shitload of wealth and decided instead of infrastructure we should just cut taxes and concentrate that moneyinto the few wealthy.
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And yet we also have the highest income inequality compared to all those nations and as you said housing is kindof out on control in many areas.
All of these things can be true at once, my point still stands, we have squandered much of our huge wealth on things that don't really matter, like we still dont even have a real healthcare system yet. Does our high consumer spending include the extra thousands everyone spends on that per year?
Re: Good for those allies (Score:4, Interesting)
Americans who got tired of being in charge of the world and of always having the upper game economically, you mean? What we got for our expenditures was unparalleled power and we're giving that up willfully right now because Putin paid Trump to trick us into it. How fucking spectacularly idiotic.
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and the fact is that the voters in the US are increasingly disillusioned with this system
This was never a thing until you started drinking Fox Kool Aid. The voters you speak of are the same smooth brains who stood up and cheered when cheeto told them China would pay for all these tariffs.
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And Mexico would pay for the Wall.
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"... the fact is that the voters in the US are increasingly disillusioned with this system ..."
No they aren't, MAGA voters cannot even begin to understand this. In fact, this is just a Putin talking point. Funny how American farmers aren't very pleased with the Trump "solution" to trade, are those voters increasingly disillusioned with being able to sell their crops?
"But this cost money for the US to bankroll all these systems..."
It costs money for the US to generate electricity too, doesn't mean the US d
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Maneuver warfare? Have you not been paying attention the last four years? Every time Ukraine has tried to follow NATO's instructions to use maneuver warfare the drones slaughtered them. Maneuver warfare is predicated on air superiority, if you don't have air superiority then your APCs become big metal coffins. On the modern battlefield infiltration tactics by small highly mobile squads coupled with defender suppression by fleets of drones seems to be the primary viable offensive tactic, nothing else see
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Trenches would be a good solution in that case, except that Ukraine doesn't have sufficient troops to man them adequately.
No one has enough troops to man the trenches adequately. That is why the mobile army army will win: they attack where the enemy isn't. The mobile army will crash through the trenches like a blitzkreig through the Maginot Line.
Cheap drone defenses are here [youtube.com]. If you don't have them [youtube.com], you will lose [youtube.com] as quickly as Venezuela. Ultimately they're
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I assumed by 'maneuver warfare' you were using the NATO definition, which is columns of heavy armor with armored mobile artillery backed by large amounts of troops in armored personnel carriers, protected by air superiority and directed by unjammable communication based on up-to-the-second satellite and drone observations. The theory was that these ponderous collections of steel and depleted uranium would fight similar formations on the Russian side, and because they were (mostly) faster than similar vehic
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Right now, neither side has sufficient drones defense. Over the next year or so, Ukraine will build up their own drone/missile defenses (I haven't heard of Russia working on this, but eventually they will). In the mean time, Ukraine is sharply focused on building air superiority. In two or three years when they achieve that, the war will end.
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Currently there IS no adequate defensive measure against drones to build up. The offensive aspect is morphing so fast that defensive measures can barely be deployed before they're obsolete. Even the net tunnels are being defeated now, specialized payloads make a hole in the net when no one is around to see and then other drones land and sit in concealment until they detect motion and operators are alerted to drive them to the target. Fiber optic and AI directed drones can operate in the densest EMF field
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Cheap drone defense is here.
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Sorry, I tend to ignore links to YouTube videos, I much prefer reading. I'll check them out now.
OK, a Swedish promotional video with CGI footage (it even says it's CGI) which has never been tested in the field. The claim of $500 each, even if it's each shot and not each unit, is just plain not believable.
Anduril's system, which has been tested in the field and fails. The drones (different product) that Anduril gave to Ukraine for free remain mostly unused because the troops found them to be obsolete, unr
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Relax, that war won't happen. Denmark is simply going to rename it to Epstein Island, and then Trump won't ever mention his plans for it again. It'll turn into the Greenland Greenland Greenland hoax overnight.
Ukraine is number one! (Score:5, Interesting)
It looks like Ukraine has become the world leader in AI/Robotic/Drone warfare technology.
They didn't ask for this role and would surely have like to have avoided it but since they're in this mess, they seem to be making the best of it.
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That's why they are winning on the battlefield and taking everything back up until Georgia! ... Ow wait ...
Someone is nullifying all those efforts with even better technology. Guess who..
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Actually Turkey led the way, even before the SMO they were already selling drones to Libya which could autonomously select and attack targets. Russia introduced AI to their battlefield about a year and a half ago to hunt Ukrainian armored vehicles in areas where EMF blocking made remote control impossible. The Ukrainian version came later, and is capable of more generalized targeting but needs more specific instructions. Both sides claim their version is superior, but really only the people on the front
already doing it in many select cases (Score:1)
This is already happening today and as many things are done in Ukraine today, much of what is done is done without some order from a high up office. I know that there are AI models trained on real combat data.
Hasta la vista, baby. (Score:1)
Training AIs on combat data? Yeah, that always ends well.
Do you want Skynet? Because this is how you get Skynet!
Sharing with the USA (Score:2, Troll)
Ukraine isn't sharing intel with the USA anymore because it kept getting leaked to Russia. https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
Wonder who was doing that? You know the guy who always calls Putin before he meets Zelensky.
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*whispers*That we know of.
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The only people still mentioning it are trolls, idiots, and russian agents.
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The UK intel agencies have always been the leakiest in the world, in part because of the assumption that 'public school' (which in England means 'private school' for some bizarre reason) alumni would always automatically be loyal to king and country when historically they've always been the biggest whores on the planet. The US intel agencies have been close behind, again because of the belief that the Ivy Leaguers they recruit would be more loyal to the organization than we peons. Then there is the Mossad