Microsoft to Sue Cybersquatters 221
An anonymous reader writes "The Financial Times writes that Microsoft will
launch a series of lawsuits against cybersquatters, and will urge other companies to help tackle what it says is a growing problem on the internet. Microsoft says it hopes its example will encourage other trademark owners to bring similar lawsuits: "Cybersquatting is a growing problem for brands around the world and we hope to educate other brand holders and encourage them to take action," said Aaron Kornblum, senior attorney on Microsoft's internet safety enforcement team."
Go Microsoft! (Score:5, Interesting)
I think I shall blow some karma by cheering Microsoft on. Cybersquatting has long tickled my free-rider detector, so it would be nice to see a few of them get pwned.
And never mind the malevolence of many of the squatters' typotrap websites.
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P is bad
P is a subset of Q
Therefore, Q is Bad
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When, ever, has Microsoft done something that doesn't specifically enhance their bottom line?
Maybe they are going after a walled garden DNS system for Microsoft OS licensees? Nice hooks into their Sharepoint/Exchange crack pipe?
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Microsoft Bob and his boyfriend Clippy?
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(And yes, this person squating my domains is doing so maliciously as they are a former user who continually harassed other users. Then there is also the
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Believe it or not there are alternatives to litigation, even in today's sue-happy climate.
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If they could be interpreted as Cybersquatting, yes. If you host your parody site at http://user.aol.com/~Coward/MSSucks.html [aol.com]; no. http://www.microshaft.com/ [microshaft.com] might have an issue (clearly parody, but only a 2 letter delta). http://www.microsoftsucks.com/ [microsoftsucks.com] might get a letter, but clearly has a legitimate defense.
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For those interested in the lawyers threat and my response (with annotations to US code) it can be found here: http://farmersreallysucks.com/editorialtakedown1.s html [farmersreallysucks.com]
-nB
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I once had the unpleasant experience of being targeted by the attack lawers of a big company. I had a domain name registered which contained part of their company name, and it was a generic word was relevant to my website. As an individual when you start getting letters and threatening (in the legal way...) phone calls from a big legal company,
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Free Market (Score:2, Insightful)
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I fully agree.
I can't believe people is here believing that the fact people are profiting from "www.microsofft.com" or "www.googlee.com" is something bad. It will be my brain hardwired to exact string checking, but the string "microsofft" IS NOT the string "microsoft". For what damn reason can the owner of the string "microsoft" go and sue the owner of the string "microsofft"? On one side, people should learn to type properly -if they don't, their fault. On another, how far goes it? Cover all 1-letter delt
Re:Free Market (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder how you assessed the harm (or lack thereof) caused by typosquatting. From down there in your basement, perhaps you hadn't noticed that typosquat websites are loaded with pr0n, viruses, bogus search engines, and occasionally even attempts to pass themselves off as the real thing. These ills create the impression that it is perilous to seek out microsoft.com on the web. The harm from that impression is probably what prompted Microsoft to release the hounds.
Not to mention the harm to the customer (which Microsoft's lawyers are more or less acting as proxy for). Registering 'micorsoft.com' can only be an attempt to fraudulently subvert a customer's intention to pursue a relationship with microsoft. And that is real harm, no matter what value or dysvalue the cybersquatter website offers.
If a person wishes to bash Microsoft, then let them register 'microsoftsucks.com'. Or just do like everyone else: create a slashdot account. :)
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perhaps you hadn't noticed that typosquat websites are loaded with pr0n, viruses, bogus search engines, and occasionally even attempts to pass themselves off as the real thing.
Well, every site loaded with viruses, bogus search engines and misleading informations should be closed, not just typosquatters, and not because they are typosquatting.
Registering 'micorsoft.com' can only be an attempt to fraudulently subvert a customer's intention to pursue a relationship with microsoft. And that is real harm
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We don't protect them from competition, no, because everyone fares best with competition. But we do protect their identity from subversion. Bill Gates invested a massive amount of resources in develo
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Real reason for Microsofts tactics (Score:4, Insightful)
If Microsoft can get rid of thousands of cybersquatters, they get more redirects going to http://sea.search.sympatico.msn.ca/dnserror.aspx?
Microsoft is no better than the cybersquatters, the only difference is they have the money and lawyers to bully them into submission.
The entire .com TLD is a wasteland (Score:4, Interesting)
The long and the short of it is that if you want a
Perhaps it's time for... (Score:4, Funny)
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Well, I exaggerate, but you get the idea.
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Well, what's your solution to this? It's free market, face it.
Note that I don't like that, but I can't see how can I think to step on the basic right to anyone to buy a domain for any purpose and do what they like with that domain.
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Assume that I am a registrar. Now, explain to me exactly what this problem is that I should be solving, and why it is in my interests to solve it.
Can't do it? That's because there *is* no problem, not for the registrars. "But it'll improve surfing experience for end users!" is true (I hate typo-squatters as much as the next rabidly
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Just be careful where you run your whois search. There are certain registrars (ahem...GoDaddy...ahem) who have been known to log searches and preemptively purchase likely candidates so that you will be forced to buy the domain from them at an inflated price, sort of like bid sniping on e-bay but in reverse (hehe...in Soviet Russia the bid snipes YOU...yeah).
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Should have done this earlier (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I would have sued the Cybersquatters first, and left innocent kids called Mike Rowe alone.
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And I should hope so, since the name of the company in question is McDonalds.
Check out the history [wikipedia.org] of litigation between Anheuser-Busch (owners of the Budweiser trademark in the U.S.) and Budvar (who make a beer named "Budweiser," ostensibly named for the town of
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You are quite right and I'm doubly embarrased as that particular purveyor of burgers is about two minutes from the door to this office.
As for your comment about US Bud vs Czech Bud, yes that is an interesting one. Especially given the fortune that Anheuser-Busch spends on advertising (they certainly don't spend anything on brewing beer). Budweiser Budvar, OTOH does produce something quite drinkable but they clearly are not on the scale of AB. The interesting thing is that since the accession of the Czech r
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Bonus points for obscure film ref: Coming to America
hmm, (Score:2)
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Fixed.
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If you wanted it that much, you should have registered it when you had the chance.
You obviously aren't aware of the scam involving domain name registration, then. The act of searching a whois database indicates your interest. Someone involved with one of those companies then snaps it up or passes on the information to another company.
I know, this has happened to me; a domain I had my eye on for years *just happened* to get snapped up earlier on the same day that my hosting company tried to buy it; I was suspicious at the time, and right to be- I found out what had happened later on.
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Or did you mean command line whois?
Cheaper Solution (Score:4, Insightful)
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Sure it does, if you mean free market capitalism. If there is any kind of property, it is quite within the bounds of capitalism for the owner to choose to relinquish control only when someone pays a price they set. Sure, it may be annoying that the system structure allows anyone to get squatter's rights on domain property, but as long as the system allows it, "holding intellectual property ransom" is pure capitalism.
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If there is any kind of property, it is quite within the bounds of capitalism for the owner to choose to relinquish control only when someone pays a price they set.
The so-called "intellectual property" is 100% immaterial -as such, it is not real property in the sense of the property of a car or a land acre. It is called and treated as such in the last centuries, but this doesn't mean we aren't dealing with fundamentally different things, so categories like "capitalism" or "communism" don't apply well he
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On the contrary; it has everything to with capitalism. Microsoft's entire existence is based on creating intellectual property and then only releasing it when paid their asking price. As I see it, registering the "micorsoft.com" domain name in hopes that someone will accidentally land there is no different than creating yet another new OS in hopes that you can force people to upgrade to it.
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Even if Microsoft isn't the most ethical company, it doesn't change the fact that this can be a Good Thing.
OMG - Corporation Loses a bit of Revenue!? (Score:2, Insightful)
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There are usually very few individuals squatting on names. If you have a name, it is often linked to something you are or what you do. It is the big guys who can buy names wholesale and really cheap who managed to pollute the namespace. The thing is they don't even want to do anything with the name just squat and maybe advertise/launch some pop-ups.
I actually hold a couple of names as a community service. There was no overall constant governing body so the names had been lost before I we had been quoted ab
Mod Parent Up! (Score:2)
I'm tempted to bookmark and "steal" it next time i see someone spewing antipopulist vitriol about the "free market"
Way to gloss over the real problem (Score:2)
This is directly analogous to the issue of network neutrality. Why should a small grou
Bah, it's more annoying than anything. (Score:5, Interesting)
Whomever bought libtomcrypt.org had to shell out the $10 or whatever it cost to steal it from me. Will they make money from it? I don't know. I'm not going to buy it back though (their website claims no offer under $1000 will be looked at). So unless they make ad revenue it cost them money to steal it from me. And that brings me to the other point. Just because you were tricked to going there and saw the ads, doesn't mean they do [or should] make any money off that. If advertisers smartened up and only paid per lead actually generated, it would pretty much kill these sites overnight.
That is provided that people aren't stupid enough to use squatter domains to search/buy things.
Tom
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I don't get the whole "omg I gotta pay off some lo-life for a domain" bidnez. If you have a trademark and someone takes the domain, that's one thing. But if someone has a clever name and you want it, just think of another, or a variation on it [provided they're not trademarked].
For me I went from libtomcrypt.org [stolen] to libtomcrypt.com [too long and retired] to libtom.org [nice and simple]. I also bought it for 10 years. So provided my registar doesn't mess w
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one way is advertising, some people will presumablly generate at least clicks and possiblly leads on the adverts.
another is selling the domains back to thier rightfull owners (you said you wouldn't buy but i bet many do)
the final way is drive-by installations of scumware (for users who use browsers with suitable security holes)
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whatever it cost to steal it from me. ... I'm not going to buy it back
Can you elaborate on how libtomcrypt.org was "stolen"?
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In this case, a troll from sci.crypt bought it, put porn on the site and left it for a year. Then proceeded to post in usenet with my email address (joe-job) posting links to the porn he was hosting. T
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From Aladrin, right below your post in this thread. I'm sorry you ran afoul of this kind of jerk on UseNet. Unfortunately, you did exactly what he wanted. In his e
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That's untrue for the same reason that spam still exists: People DO click the links, and they DO buy! It's amazing, and horrifying, and several other adjectives, but it's also true.
When I was younger, I thought that griefers (people who exists merely to make trouble for others) were just video game lowlifes. Now, of course, I understand that it's me
Still makes me nervous (Score:3, Insightful)
Patent Troll sues Trademark Trolls. (Score:2)
Cybersquatters sound exactly like patent trolls, such as a certain company that patented double-clicking [newscientist.com] and IsNot [eweek.com], just with a different type of IP.
Cybersquatting != free market (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, Microsoft has a legitimate interest is removing cybersquatters, as do we all, because quite a few of these (appart from other issues) are phishing or pushing crapware (or just advertizing, but that is acceptable in my book). Also, holding domains captive results in crappier names for everyone, which is a bad thing.
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All short or word-like domains were registered before they cost anything at all. Remember, please, the Internet was not created for businesses. It was created for information sharing. People who want to make money using the Internet should play by OUR rules; they shouldn't be imposing their rules on us.
Cheers,
acvh
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I don't think there is anything really new or interesting about cybersquatting vs any other form of trademark infringement and/or deceptive advertising that has been going on for as long as there have been trademarks. It will work itself out in the courts as so many similar things have in years past.
But in the end, I t
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You're right, it's not simply the result of the free market. It is, however, partly the result of a f
Cybersquatters - Trademarks (Score:2)
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Be creative. Find another name relevant to you and containing your acronym inside and use it. If you company is ACME, use "acme-company", for example. If you do, let's say, players, register "acmeplayers" or something similar.
Enforced (Score:2, Funny)
Or else we'll pay you a call, like those weenies at the Dyslexic Domains Company*
*knock knock*
"Who dat?"
"Internet Safety Enforcement, hit the dirt motherfuckers!"
"AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
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* Ream name.. see TFA!
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Why... (Score:2)
pot, meet kettle (Score:2)
just an extreme thought...
Is it just me or ... (Score:2)
It's True! (Score:2)
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Oh ferget it... (Score:2)
Right. Because it was made for corporations (Score:2)
More and more, I find myself longing for the bang!path days of old...
Are they going to sue themselves? (Score:2, Informative)
Not *exactly* cybersquatting, but just as bad if not worse.
More power to them. (Score:2)
The question becomes, if they nail the current squatters to the wall what is to prevent another round of squatters from snatching up the domains? If they really want to be heroes in this field they should destroy the squatters, then take the domains and establish a non-profit org which would take applicatio
Tyopgraphical Erorrs? (Score:2)
patent squatting (Score:2)
(not to mention, a problem to general human progress).
maybe microsoft and 'others' should take a long look in the mirror
before accusing others of squatting for financial self-interest.
I'd also like about an acre in midtown Manhattan (Score:2)
But a few people got there before I did.
I hate the fact that every time I want a domain name its taken, as I hate the fact that most
of the great real estate in the world is taken. But why on Earth should it be different?
Why shouldn't capitalism work freely? If Microsoft wants a domain that's taken, they should
have registered it sooner. They can hardly claim a lack of foresight when it comes to
technology. If they still want it now, they should pay for it. Plain and simple.
Domain names are expensive and
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Sing it with me now.. "Microsoft.. FSCK yeah!!"
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As long as the sign's not misleading (saying it's Microsoft and/or not disclosing the toll), the issue is even less here, since unlike on roads citizens can indeed advertise on the intratubes.
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The above points are all well taken -- I guess I was just concerned about corporations throwing their weight around and rushing to litigate in the knowledge that most people will not or cannot afford to fight them. I was working at Palm when Palm sued the owner [com.com] of www.mypalm.com, in a move that was internally regarded as completely unjustified by everyone who didn't wear a suit to work. Palm eventually dropped the suit and settled with the guy when the developers revolted against corporate on this issue (
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Interesting story.
It's a tricky issue. Having a trademark means you're responsible for actively defending that trademark. If you don't, you can lose it. And that would be a nasty thing indeed for any big business.
That said it would be perfectly valid to just request that the owner of mypalm.com posted a 'palm is a trademark of' notice... and probably much cheaper.
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His expenses paid,
The cost of switching to a new site,
Training on certification of Microsoft products,
Subscription to Microsoft's developer program website,
An Xbox games console with games,
An invitation for himself and his parents to Microsoft's HQ in Washington for an annual technology fair.
So basically, he got an XB
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As opposed to the cybersquatters, who are holding the websites just to display their opinion? The opinion that "This website is available for lease or for sale. Please contact " etc, etc.
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Microsoft is the ultimate cybersquatter; they have SiteFinder after all.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/221524 6 [slashdot.org]
I love how everyone pitched a fit over Verisign or Earthlink redirecting typos, then rolled over when Microsoft started the same thing.
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The issue is one of infringing on intellectual property rights.
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It looks like it goes to some aimoo message board that no longer exists. Domain registered to some guy in Bolivia.
You seem to be suggesting it is owned by Microsoft or something?
The White Trash of the Internet (Score:2)
"Cybersquatters" sounds much more polite.
(but I also have a poor opinion of the "flippers" who, with the help of a mortgage industry gone wild, have thoroughly screwed up a good deal of the American housing market)
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Domain registrations are supposed to be public so offending copyright violations can be referred to the domain owner. Not possible today because registrars aren't following the rules.
Somewhere I'm sure there is a rule against utterly stupid phishing domains. A few simple questions need to be asked when someone tries to register paypal-inc.com, but it isn't happening.
Most of the registration system is broken, mostly by out-of-co