Moon Mining Gets a Closer Look 485
happylucky writes "There are many obstacles to creating a space colony on the moon, primarily food, water, and oxygen. Since it is so expensive to bring supplies from the earth, some scientists have suggested that we mine the moon. In an article in the Toronto Star, Dale Boucher suggests the best way to do this would be to develop a mining colony. To that end, the Sudbury-based Northern Center for Advanced Technology has linked Canada's mining industry with some of the top minds on space.Mining the moon was considered earlier this month at the Planetary and Terrestrial Mining Sciences Symposium which attracted some 100 delegates, including experts from the Canadian Space Agency, NASA and the European Space Agency. There are other hurdles of course that need to be figured out. The moon's gravity is one sixth that on Earth. New research, however, may lead to a solution to this problem as well. It may be possible to develop a sticky compound that can be adjusted by UV light to help adhere boots and objects to the floor."
I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Insightful)
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SB
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Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Insightful)
You miss the point. Anything which one can make a profit doing, will eventually be done without "us" (whoever that may be) needing to focus on it.
If it's not getting done without government funding, it probably can't be done at a profit (yet).
That's what governments are for; doing that which is worth the expense of doing, but does not directly yield a profit.
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Insightful)
With that attitude, governments become nothing more than a teat for the social program du jour. The role of government is to insure the secure the people against the tyranny of those who do not subscribe to the concept of liberty. The people are free to then do what they want - whether it be profitable or not.
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Funny)
Bah, merely sucking at the governmental teat! The private sector can do domestic security far more efficiently! Damn pinko commies...
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Insightful)
Balderdash. The Romans thought the purpose of government was to bring glory to the people. The medieval christians thought the purpose of government was to spread the gospel. The chineese thought the purpose of government was to maintain the celestial order.
Our own founding fathers may have had their own ideas about what they were forming our government for, but today that same structure is seen both as a way to make a profit, a way to protect unintelligent things, an avenue for power, and a thing to be avoided -- depending on who you talk to.
The purpose of a government is to do whatever those that give the government power want it to do. Anything more is just philisophical "should"-ing, and should always be dismissed until the points so made are affirmitvely proven.
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:5, Interesting)
I will agree that there is evidence that organizations known as governments today do much more than simply arbitrate disputes, so perhaps the definition has grown to encompass those features. However, I think those 'expansions' are not unique to governments; there are many organizations that are not governments which provide social and economic programs, for instance.
I also think it is very dangerous to say that a government is "supposed to do whatever those that give the government power want it to do". While that is a very attractive philosophy in our modern society, I believe that simply causes governments to lose their ability to effectively arbitrate disputes: being fickle tends to reduce credibility.
Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion, and it is at times like this I wish this forum was a little more condusive to this type of discourse. I actually do not mind the challenge to my assertions, because if those assertions are found to be weak I want to change them to whatever is really true.
Now I wonder...is there a way to transfer this little thread over to the Politics section?
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:3, Insightful)
You're right, of course. Bad choice of words on my part.
It's like back during the Clinton years, when he kept talking about "building a bridge to the 21st century," as if our failure to do so would mean we'd stay stuck on December 31, 2000 (yes, I said "2000." Do we have to go over that again?)
I guess I should say "let's stop throwing taxpayer money at this, and get out of the way o
Rocket renaissance (Score:5, Interesting)
Rocket renaissance
May 11th 2006 | LOS ANGELES
From The Economist print edition
The era of private spaceflight is about to dawn
IMAGE (Mary Evans) [economist.com]
TWO years ago next month space travel underwent its Wright-brothers moment with the first flight of SpaceShipOne. The roles of Orville and Wilbur were played by Burt Rutan, who designed the craft, and Mike Melvill, who flew it—although they were ably assisted by Paul Allen, one of the founders of Microsoft, who paid for it. Of course, history never repeats itself exactly. Unlike the brothers Wright, who were heirs to a series of heroic failures when it came to powered heavier-than-air flight, Messrs Rutan and Melvill knew that manned spaceflight was possible. What they showed was that it is not just a game for governments. Private individuals can play, too.
Now, lots of people want to join in, and most of them have just met up at the International Space Development Conference in Los Angeles, to engage in that mixture of camaraderie and competition that characterises the beginnings of a new technology. And, as might be expected, they are brimming with two of the necessary ingredients of success: ideas and money.
First, the money. So far, more than $1 billion is known to have been committed to building private spaceships and the infrastructure to support them. For example, Mr Rutan’s follow-up vehicle, SpaceShipTwo, is expected to cost its backers, Virgin Galactic, $240m for a fleet of five. The spaceport in New Mexico from which these are intended to fly will account for another $225m, although New Mexico’s government is planning to raise this money itself.
These are not small sums, of course. On the other hand, Virgin Galactic has already banked $14m of deposits towards the $200,000 fare from people who want to travel on SpaceShipTwo, even though it has yet to be built, let alone flown.
All this suggests that spaceflight, if not exactly entering the age of the common man, is at least entering the age of the moderately prosperous enthusiast. For entrepreneurs, it is no longer necessary to have billions of dollars to get into space; millions will now do. And for those who merely wish to travel there, and have a few hundred thousand in the bank, reality beckons—provided that at least one of the ideas actually works.
Chocks away
As with aircraft a century ago, a plethora of designs are competing with each other, and there is no certainty about which will prevail. The initial goal is to build a “suborbital” vehicle. This will not have to develop the tremendous speed needed to go into orbit around the Earth. Instead, it will travel briefly into space, offering a short thrilling ride out of the atmosphere, a few minutes of weightlessness, and a spectacular view of the planet from about 100km. Four important criteria are how you take off, what fuel you use, what your craft is made of, and how you come back.
Most people’s vision of a rocket launch is straight up from the ground. But, of the five vehicles most likely to be developed (see table), two will actually be launched from the air. SpaceShipTwo will be carried to high altitude by a purpose-built aircraft known as Eve before its rocket motor is ignited. And Explorer, a vehicle being designed by Space Adventures, will be launched from the top of a high-altitude Russian research plane called the M-55X, according to Eric Anderson, the firm’s president and chief executive.
As Dennis Jenkins, a consultant engineer at NASA, America’s space agency, points out, this is similar to using a two-stage rocket to get into space, with the aircraft acting as the first stage. However, a plane offers several advantages over a throw-away boos
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:4, Informative)
I agree to an extent, but it's interesting how much the average person overestimates the amount the federal government gives to NASA. From a recent article in the Space Review on the government and business case for space activities:
http://thespacereview.com/article/644/1 [thespacereview.com]
One question asked people to estimate what percentage of the overall federal budget went to NASA. At the Capitol Hill event Unland showed several video clips where, to few people's surprise, focus group participants overestimated--often grossly--NASA's sub-one-percent share of the budget: answers ranged from five to fifteen percent, with one person saying "somewhere in the thirties". Those anecdotes confirmed previous surveys where people also overestimated NASA's budget.
Re:I've thought this for a long time (Score:3, Informative)
Which is why it's such a shame that we don't give more - the people expect it! ;)
In a more serious light, this whole capitalism thing is bullshit. Yes, it's one way to get where we're going, but I find it hard to believe that this far down the page, I'm the first to reference the race to the moon. That wasn't funded by capitalism... rather it was funded by a government actually interested in seeing man progress (and yes, the American man be
Canada? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Canada Arm (Score:3, Informative)
What about the ISS Canada Arm [wikipedia.org]?
The Right tools for the Right job! (Score:3, Funny)
Since they built the CanadaArm and CanadaArm2, can we look foward to the CanadaShovel and CanadaShovel2.
MINER 2049'er (Score:4, Insightful)
Wait a second... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Wait a second... (Score:5, Insightful)
If all they're looking to do is increase traction, there are much saner ways than pouring glue on their boots, (which would also cost you extra effort with every footstep.) Non-skid surfaces, for a start. I suppose they could bring a pot of glue with them and spread locally-mined crystalline silica if they wanted to save ferrying a pound or two of sand from earth.
What would be better is to find ways to use the advantage of the reduced gravity without worrying about the traction. Depending on the problem, solutions like "cable cars" or "conveyor belts" don't have to rely on motor-to-ground friction at all.
Finally, look back to the U.S. moon landings in the 1970s. Dust got everywhere. It was a huge problem. Do you honestly think "sticky" surfaces would last more than an hour before being rendered useless by the layer of dust?
Sticky is a non-starter.
Re:Wait a second... (Score:5, Informative)
You loonies have no clue what gravity does to a human body on earth and what's going on if this becomes less!
There is permanent challenge to the tonic muscle system to stay balanced and not fall over. If that challenge gets less, muscle- and bone structure atrophies i. e. disappears.
The changes happen very fast. If you lay horizontally in bed for one week, you loose muscles and noticeably weaker. It builds up right away on earth, but not so if the gravity is missing or less.
Astronauts in the space station have to excercise hard every day for 2 1/2 hours and still loose significant muscle- and bone mass in calves and lower back.
Guess why they are carried around in stretchers once they come back? It's not the stress of the return flight. They lost too much substance to be able to sustain their structure in gravity.
That's a major issue in space and obstacle for humans but never a popular topic.
Sticky floor - pffff!
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Re:Wait a second... (Score:4, Interesting)
Nice f'ing ad hominem attack there. Did I say anywhere it was the humans having to put the energy into this work equation? Did you actually read the very next line where I mentioned idler wheels? (FYI, statistically very few people that are born with idler wheels are accepted into the astronaut program.)
The only thing I wrote that said anything about human effort was the difficulty it would add to walking. Otherwise, I was referring mostly to machinery and energy, which, coincidentally enough, is the topic of TFA about mining. The "sticky" looks like it was simply a bad idea pasted on by the submitter of the article.
Yes, the ISS denizens are denied the health benefits of gravity. Yes, the residents will have to work hard to maintain some semblance of muscle mass, and even then they're almost certain to be wheelchair bound upon their return to earth several years later. (A mars trip would end in a year-long zero-G voyage, just what they wouldn't need after their extended 1/3 G stay on the surface.) They may even end up in something like an iron lung for a while, if the air pressure isn't kept high enough to keep their diaphragm working against earth-weight air pressure. But frankly, I don't care all that much -- it's a known hazard, and anyone accepting these missions knows full well what they've got to look forward to upon their return. It's part of the sacrifice that every single one of them is volunteering to make. Sure, it'd be nice if they weren't severely weakened by the environment, but it's their choice. Not mine, and not yours.
P.S. Maybe next time you'd get a less snotty reply if you didn't open your post with an accusation. A little politeness goes a long way.
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Cheese... (Score:2, Funny)
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Jewels? (Score:3, Funny)
How to ensure the success (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone been watching the news recently? Congress is
on the verge of outlawing mining just to avoid the
bad press when a few minors endure the result of bad
or under funded engineering.
The solution? Put the bosses in the mines.
Re:How to ensure the success (Score:3, Funny)
Best way to mine? (Score:5, Funny)
the best way to do this would be to develop a mining colony
It's nice to know the scientists put their degrees to good use.
Oh. My. Gods. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yep, another one for the omelette.
I destroy life forms daily, both plant and animal, in order to stay alive. My only remaining question is whether your attitude is Emo (life sucks, I want to die) or Goth (life sucks, I want you to die). Are you living on pure sunshine?
Life is pain, Princess. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:2)
The same industrious Victorians responsible for the sulferous coal burning that caused the Yellow Fogs that decimated the lungs of Londoners? Look, I don't want you to think I'm not a believer in ecological balance, I am. I also believe in thrift, and responsibility, and a future for my two teenaged
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:2)
I would be impressed with us if we could do that at this stage. Even if we fired all of our nukes, we could not destroy the planet. We may wipe out much if not all of the upper life forms, but there will be plenty of life to replace us. Keep in mind that since life started on this plane, nothing has wiped it out completely. Comet hits have done quite a number on life, but never wiped it out entirely.
BTW, we may find lots of interesting ideas to take c
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh give me a fucking break.
If we die out, well, we deserve it.
Tell you what - you stay here and die out, since you believe that you deserve it. The rest of us will go figure out how to reach for the stars.
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:4, Insightful)
What can we possibly do to the Moon to make it worse than it already is?
Worst case scenario is "it doesn't look the same". Thinking that changing the appearance of things is some kind of crime is just arrogance, though; well obscured and wrapped in feel-good holiness, but it just boils down to I don't want it to change, so it shouldn't change.
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:4, Insightful)
What, it should be protected because it's there?
Earth at least has some stuff worth preserving. Which we would probably find a bit easier if it weren't the only source of resources and living space we have available to us.
I'm a green kid, and you even lost me.
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:5, Insightful)
Conservation is not a virtue for conservation's sake. It's a virtue when you are *saving something*. I don't put much of a value on rock. Frankly I think we can put the materials in asteroids and the moon to better use than they do currently.
And actually, animals do ravage their own ecosystems regularly.. they don't understand convservation or carrying capacities any better than we do. The deer populations up here in maine breed themselves into starvation on a regular basis, even in massively undeveloped woodlands. It takes a growth in predator populations to take them back down, or simple overpopulation.
We have lessons to learn. Doesn't mean we should just sit around either. Obviously you agree, sitting there on your mass fabricated computer filled with toxic substances, using your fossil fuel power and buying at least a few products that support the rape of our planet. So how about dropping the high horse routine?
I suggest looking into practical sustainability instead of radical ideology.
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:You've missed the point. (Score:3, Insightful)
Should we carry that through and never do anything anywhere because someone might want to look at it someday?
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:2, Funny)
Give me a break.
How about this instead: Rather than you traveling out and destroying other rooms/streets/cities, how about you first learning, as an individual, to preserve the room you're already in.
The problems will NEVER run out (Score:3, Insightful)
Problem solving is really just a question of setting priorities. If someone solved global hunger and thirst, poverty, the fossil fuel dilemma, overpopulation, glob
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:2)
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. It's kind of like saying that people shouldn't leave their hometown until everybody in the town is living in peace and harmony with nature. Of course, now that I think about it, I have known people who would argue precisely that...
Re:Oh. My. Gods. (Score:5, Interesting)
- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovsky
The purpose of life is to spread.
If you think we should stay on this rock until a meteor wipes us out, you are complicit in a crime worse than genocide: the extermination of life as we know it in the universe.
As the only life forms with the ability to travel to other planets, it is our responsibility to bring life to other planets! This is far more important than trying to maintain some "balance" of nature. There never has been and never will be such a balance, anyway.
Space travel is the most important persuit in the history of Earth. Without it, there will eventually be no life.
Oh for God's sake. (Score:3, Insightful)
A) There is no biosphere on the Moon to disturb, silly.
B) Suppose that to learn how to take care of the Earth properly, we first need to explore and understand how processes on other planets work? Suppose that a source of virtually unlimited offplanet resources (like the Moon and asteroid belt) would give us the "buffer" we need to learn how to exist in a state of environmental peace with this planet?
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Gravity? (Score:2)
Re:Gravity? (Score:2)
Of course heavier metals are not going to be found. It's not part of the moon's crust. The big thing would be if we could find nice ice supplies, as we need it for bio and it's an easy fuel and easy to mine. You get a few hundred
Before we even think about going back... (Score:5, Interesting)
In some ways it'd be a good test to have a biosphere at the bottom of the ocean. You'd have the same combination of a harsh external environment and pressure differential (albeit reversed) as you would in space. You could be entirely reliant on a local source of power such as a deep sea thermal vent but emergency assistance would be much easier
Re:Before we even think about going back... (Score:5, Interesting)
I thought i was understood. The O2 went into the concrete which continues to set for a very long period of time.
Re:Before we even think about going back... (Score:3, Informative)
I guess thats close to what you said...
Re:Before we even think about going back... (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, when you start to talk about permanent and more distant settlement colonies (ie Mars) then you really want to close the cycle further. Besides, regardless of space exploration, we should continue to try to understand ecosystems by constructing artificial ones. What better way to learn about complex interactions (which we're affecting in poorly understood ways) then with simplified models? So Biosphere++ in any case....
Obligatory Star Trek reference (Score:2)
Weak gravity is not a problem (Score:3, Funny)
NASA-funded Telerobotic Construction Challenge (Score:4, Informative)
The non-profit Spaceward Foundation has released [msn.com] a rules draft for a telerobotic construction competition. Competitors will have 24 hours to use their robots to construct a water-tight pipeline at least 25m long through Mars-like terrain, with a control latency of 20 minutes. The foundation is seeking feedback on the rules draft [spaceward.org] until July 15, as well as ideas for contest names and logos. NASA will provide $250K in prize money to competition winners, as part of their Centennial Challenges [wikipedia.org] program for space technology competitions.
Bright Side of the Moon (Score:2)
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And we want a colony... why? (Score:2)
Re:And we want a colony... why? (Score:3, Informative)
2. Helium-3, fusion catalyst that's only found on earth as a by product of nuclear reactions and is about 50,000 a pound. That alone makes it worth it moneywise.
3. Possible water ice in craters, let alone if caves of some sort exist with regolith protecting ice in other locations.
4. Abundant Solar that doesn't have the atmosphere blocki
Re:And we want a colony... why? (Score:5, Informative)
In his book "Moonrush," [amazon.com] Dennis Wingo argues that besides Helium-3, platinum-group metals would also be a critical resource. From a review [thespacereview.com]:
In the first part of Moonrush, Wingo makes the case for how lunar resources are critical for meeting the increasing energy demands of terrestrial civilization. Most people are aware of the fact that the quantity of fossil fuels, notably petroleum, is finite, and will run out sooner or later. Wingo discusses this in detail in the book, noting that even the most optimistic assessments of petroleum reserves--ones that make assumptions unlikely to be borne out in practice--would be insufficient to get the world through the 21st century. One alternative to gasoline-burning engines currently under active development is the hydrogen-powered fuel cell. Even these, though, have a resources problem that Wingo describes in the book: they rely on expensive, scarce platinum-group metals (PGMs). If the world tries to make the transition from gasoline engines to fuel cells, it could exhaust the supply of PGM elements on the Earth.
Of course, there is no shortage of such metals in space, particularly in asteroids. The Moon, on the other hand, would seem to be an unlikely place to find PGMs: the collisional process that formed from the Moon left it mostly devoid of heavy metals. However, Wingo makes an ingenious case for finding PGMs on or near the lunar surface, in the form of debris from asteroid impacts. While conventional wisdom has argued that impacts of large asteroids would vaporize most of the impactor, modern computer modeling has shown that a significant fraction of an asteroid impacting the Earth would survive in some form. In fact, some major sources of PGMs on Earth, such as Sudbury in Canada and sites in South Africa, have been linked to asteroid impacts. The Moon's lower gravity would mean slower impacts, making it more likely that significant portions of asteroids could survive. PGMs mined from those impacts could meet the fuel-cell needs of the Earth for centuries; the mining process would, in turn, also generate other metals like iron and nickel that could be used for settlements on the Moon and beyond.
Re:And we want a colony... why? (Score:3, Funny)
Dreadhesive (Score:2)
Moon gravity is approx 1/6 earth gravity (Score:4, Insightful)
Your weight on the moon is approximately 1/6th of your weight on earth.
So a 200 lb man weighs roughly 33 lbs on the moon.
So while it may seem necessary to use a sticky material to adhere one's boots
to the floor -- its probably easier to carry 1000 lbs (Earthweight) of weights
which would add an additional 166 lbs of Moonweight, making a 200lb earth person
weigh 200 lbs on the moon.
The sticky stuff isn't requred. Just some evenly distributed body weights would
do the trick. Although... no defense contractor gets rich with the simple
solution.
Re:Moon gravity is approx 1/6 earth gravity (Score:3, Insightful)
But yeah, it's probably the defense contractors.
Re:Moon gravity is approx 1/6 earth gravity (Score:4, Interesting)
to the floor -- its probably easier to carry 1000 lbs (Earthweight) of weights
which would add an additional 166 lbs of Moonweight, making a 200lb earth person
weigh 200 lbs on the moon.
Alternatively, residents of the moon could just get used to it and learn to use their bodies effectively in light gravity without requiring a constant supply of sticky boots.
Sticky compound for boots? (Score:4, Funny)
Why don't they use the stuff movie theatres have?
I think the United States should claim the moon. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I think the United States should claim the moon (Score:3, Insightful)
Moon Colonization (Score:3, Informative)
You can read the full United Nations General Assembly Resolution at United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) [unoosa.org]
you can't mine what ain't there (Score:4, Interesting)
I once read a quote from a nasa engineer, saying something about a pile of dog droppings found on the moon would be the richest source of carbon for miles around. Us being carbon-based life, require carbon in pretty much all our food. There is very little hydrogen on the moon, and that nicely rules out the production of water.
For now I think the astronauts had better pack a lunch.
Re:If they mined the moon... (Score:3, Interesting)
Diamonds (Score:2)
Want diamonds? Let's do a controlled meteor impact with the earth... the resulting crater should yield billions in diamonds that we can harvest!
Re:Diamonds (Score:2)
Re:Um, why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nobody wanted to come to the Americas... (Score:2)
Parent is absolutely correct (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Parent is absolutely correct (Score:3, Interesting)
Calculating the cost of mining the moon using the cost of launching a shuttle to earth orbit makes no sense. The shuttle is not the cheapest or most efficient way to get mass into orbit, and it sure as hell isn't the easiest way to get it back down (gravity
Let's take this one piece at a time (Score:3, Interesting)
The space shuttle is only an EXAMPLE. Obviously it's not capable of performing the mission discussed here, but you can use it to get an idea of what it would cost to transport stuff to and from space. To do mining, you'd have to design an entirely new space transport system. You think that'd be cheap?
Re:Um, why? (Score:4, Insightful)
In case you hadn't noticed NASA's manned spaced program stopped being about space a long time ago. Whenever Congress debates NASA funding the #1 issue is what the impact will be on jobs in the districts and states of various politicians. When CRV and the return to the Moon ramp up the only priority for Congress is to insure all the current ISS and Shuttle jobs are preserved. The new NASA administrator would actually like a much cheaper, leaner and meaner manned space program than Shuttle and ISS. But if he cuts any of the pork Congress will slap him silly so he wont. Therefor return to the Moon will be staggeringly expensive, take forever, and fall way short of its goals just like 2 projects we know and love.
Re:Um, why? (Score:3, Insightful)
What is the point of having a permenant manned colony on the moon? We'll never terraform it. It will never be self-sufficient. The cost will never justify the science we could get out of it.
Seen the future have you? It's hard to say what would happen if Moon bases were built. I'm sure no one fore saw the "New World" becoming what it is today.
The lunar dust is as dangerous as the worst lung hazardous mining dust on Earth, and apparently it gets everywhere. There will never be an atmosphere to shield f
Re:Um, why? (Score:2)
Such an undertaking is likely to occur after we have solved the get stuff off the earth cheaply problem, which o
Re:bad idea (Score:5, Funny)
One could only imagine the damage done to the Moon's ecosystem.
Re:bad idea (Score:2)
Re:bad idea (Score:2)
SB
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:2, Insightful)
(By the way, what is a 'deep ecologist'? Do you mean 'serious environmentalist', 'Underwater ecology scientist', or what?)
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_ecology [wikipedia.org]
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:5, Insightful)
Meteoritic influx (Score:3, Insightful)
So I doubt it would change anything.
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:3, Informative)
I hope you're kidding. Otherwise leave /. forever (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Environmental Issue (Score:2, Funny)
*sigh* No. (Some math inside!) (Score:5, Informative)
There is no reason to mine the moon, and there are plenty of good reasons not to, but "Oh no the tides will be thrown out of whack" is not one of them.
* Incidentally: try Googling "mass of the moon". Freaky, isn't it.
Re:The Moon is a Myth!!! (Score:2)