Comparing the PS3 and 360 119
Yahoo! Games is running a piece comparing the PS3 and 360. They look at the hardware, software, and HD offerings for Sony and Microsoft's next-gen consoles. From the article: "Unlike the last generation, where Sony clearly held a commanding lead, the next generation of gaming is going to be a much closer race between the behemoths of Microsoft and Sony. Though there were many skeptics last fall, the past eight months have shown the Xbox 360 to be a very capable system and more than powerful enough to challenge the PlayStation 3. Microsoft also believes it will have 10 million units in the global marketplace before Sony even leaves the gate. So the question becomes: Which system do you buy?"
Simple Answer (Score:2, Insightful)
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As of right now,
1) you can purchase and play a 360
2) you can not purchase or play a P3
-Rick
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A Wii
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Is a $500 '75 Chevy Caprice 'affordable'?
Yes- because most people base that term on the relative cost of other cars. The $500 car is considered 'affordable'.
Of course, not everyone has $500.
I don't think we are using the word 'affordable' as an absolute. Because to someone with absolutely no money will find that nothing with a cost is 'affordable'.
Affordable is relative.
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A $500 car is going to cost you a few grand a year in maintenence.
Car analogies dont work. Actually the Wii could be like buying a 4cylinder Honda/Accura - it does not have the raw grunt but if its light enough you'll get decent performance and as a bonus games (gas) will be cheaper.
See, they really dont work very well.
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A $500 car is going to cost you a few grand a year in maintenence.
Sorry, I hear that argument a lot and it isn't true. Unless you get a true lemon, it is NEVER MORE AFFORDABLE to buy a new car. Say a new car cost $300/month. That works out to $3600 a year. A few grand. If you spend a grand or two on maintenance for a used car, you are still ahead dollar wise. Your statement is only true if you put a not before "more affordable". I have a 96
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Personally, I didn't think microsoft had it in them to put out a decent piece of hardware. The first month my friend had his, the most impressive thing I found about it was the controller. It really felt nice. Aside from that, I was disinterested in the console as a whole. It was big. It crashed a bunch (until we put it on a better platform), and it didn't have any decent games.
Now, they've got an impressive lineup. Fight Night, Burnout, Table Tennis, and Geometry Wars (o, how I am e'er addicted to you, geometry wars) make the system worth it. Although, I still think my friend is an idiot for justifying the 500$ he spent to get the system when it was still sold out everywhere.
so, being that you already own a 360, are you implying that you wouldn't purchase a ps3, no matter how strong the offering of launch titles?
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Ia gree, but you need to add that the initial supply was miniscule for the first 3 months or so. The shortage wasn't so much that it was popular just that it was in short supply. durring all periods the 36
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You just described the PS2's launch.
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I never expected something so good out of microsoft, so anything's possible. the 360 has impressed me more than anything microsoft has ever done. Although, it still (even after the dashboard update) feels like a kludgy microsoft product in some ways. namely the strangely placed buttons, and weird behavior of controls
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But I'm quite disappointed with the 360. The Xbox really appealed to me and it just seems that the 360 represents another step in the loss of the charm of console gaming. If the PS3 gains significant popularity, that'll be another few steps but at least Nintendo knows what it's doing.
But yes, anything is possib
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Both of these came to my attention from MS and I think they were at least partially responsible for them.
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Aside from noting that the PS2's controller was unimpressive (since it was a recycled design, not necessarily knocking it), I pretty much noted that anything negative that could be said about the 360 launch goes double for the PS2's launch, and look where that landed Sony.
I even went so far as to note that the PS2 didn't have a notable library six months after launch while the 360 does and further stated surprise in expecting anything different for the
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No blu-ray (Score:1, Funny)
That makes the choice obvious to me.
Why buy a standalone blu-ray player for a thousand when I can get a PS3 that does the same plus more for 600?
25GB per layer... yummeh.
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Thanks, but I'll pass for this lifetime.
Re:No blu-ray (Score:5, Insightful)
1. You can afford $600
2. You have an HD tv
3. You are in the market for a game console
4. There is a catalog of available movies for BR
5. You are in the market for a HD video player
I think a very small segment of the population fits these criteria. Personally I would only buy a PS3 to use as a video player if I knew for a fact that BR would be the winner. BR could bomb and you would have to go buy a standalone HD-DVD video player anyway.
Re:No blu-ray (Score:3, Informative)
$600 just gets you a flash reader, Wi-Fi, HDMI and a silver logo.
None of which (not even HDMI) are necessary for HD on the PS3.
Re:No blu-ray (Score:1)
Because integrated devices generally suck. Go back to the PS2 in 2000. Why would you buy a $500 stand-alone DVD player when you can buy a PS2 for $300 that does the same plus more? Because the PS2 was a horrible DVD player. Do you really expect the PS3 to be a great Blu-Ray player?
Of course, that's assuming you buy into Blu-Ray at all, or that you must be an early adopter of the format. Per
Re:No blu-ray (Score:5, Interesting)
Because Blu-Ray will go the way Betamax went and you'll end up with a useless Blu-Ray player that you'll have to replace every 6 months cause it'll be as reliable as the PS2's DVD player?
(and 25GB per layer? Who cares when the access times and transfer speed don't even reach DVD's. )
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This is pointless! (Score:4, Funny)
One word... (Score:5, Insightful)
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No! (Score:1)
*BOOM*
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Multiple Choice (Score:2, Insightful)
I think it's interesting that the Wii isn't included, especially because the current best guess is that it will be launching before the PS3. I wonder if it's because the writer recognizes that it's truly something unique and different, or if he's just discounting it because of Nintendo's image problems in the previous generation.
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if the article was "next gen console war" then NOT including Wii in there would be insulting.
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Which One? Simple (Score:5, Funny)
From the article (Score:5, Funny)
So they'll have them at retail cost?
Paying more (Score:2)
If you thought $500 was "insane", try more like $800 - or $1k. Not an insignificant number of 360 consoles were going for that much.
I can answer that (Score:2, Insightful)
That's easy. You buy the one that isnt ridiculously over priced.
Ah, that would be the PS3 then? (Score:3, Insightful)
A 100.000 dollar mercedes is more expensive then a 20.000 dollar lada but it is still the lada that is overpriced.
Off course this has nothing to do with gameplay but for now it seems that if you want gameplay you are in luck, the cheapest console will be the one with the better gameplay. Offcourse that is not saying the Wii is not overpriced. Nintendo has t
Re:Ah, that would be the PS3 then? (Score:1)
Furthermore, from what I've seen, the big justification for the PS3 having a substantially higher price to the 360 is the Blu-ray player on the PS3 (of course the PS3 has a few other edges over the 360 but they do not amount to anything too substancial). I would suggest that the few extra hundred dollars for this media player is not worth it fo
Re:Ah, that would be the PS3 then? (Score:1)
Care to clarify this statement?
Re:Ah, that would be the PS3 then? (Score:1)
Nintendo has the most overpriced consoles of all, the proof? MS and Sony subsidise the early consoles, Nintendo does not and makes a profit on them, if that isn't overpricing them I don't know what is.
Allow me to disagree! You buy a product to fulfill a certain need. If a product fulfills the expectations and has a low cost, it's not overpriced, almost by definition. You make a product and sell it, the natural expectation is that you make a profit from that sale. If another company is irresponsible and/
The one (Score:5, Funny)
Unless they release it for the Wii with nunchuck controller support for the baseball bat. Then all bets are off.
But I'm not holding my breath - because - well, I like oxygen...
Chainsaws and 1080p. Mmmmmmmalllllarghhhhdrool.
Re:The one (Score:3, Funny)
So you're saying that EB was lying to me when I paid $20 to reserve Grand Theft Auto: Animal Crossing?
Re:The one (Score:2)
Grand Theft Auto: Animal Crossing
*vroom* *squick*
My solution is the best (Score:2)
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From which part of "buy them all" did you get "choose"?
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Don't bother with TFA... (Score:5, Informative)
There is a much better article at Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] that goes into a little more detail about the visual differences from the point of a game developer. Visually, what does a game designer say the difference is going to be between a 360 and the PS3? None. Hardware wise, the 360 and PS3 are actually pretty evently matched, and considering that there are still going to be a lot of cross platform games even if one machine had a decided advantage over the other game studios aren't going to push that advantage given the time and cost involved in just getting a game out the door in the first place.
According to game developers, side by side you aren't going to be able to see a difference between the two systems playing the same game. Pretty much what I expected.
Re:Don't bother with TFA... Not to mention.. (Score:1)
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Marketing.
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Right... anyone who can't tell the difference between a PS1 and PS2 game should be slapped upside the face... t
All of the above (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm guessing for anyone not obsessed about japanese RPGs that the 360 and PS3 will be very similar with their scope of games, so for most people it will be a Wii plus either the 360 or PS3.
While I can afford it, $500-600 is still a large chunk of change, so Sony better be putting something up OTHER than blu-ray to get my money. Perhaps something similar to live arcade, but with much more content.
Most people likely won't care about blu-ray. Most people I've talked to stated that they would buy 1, maybe 2 movies in blu-ray format if they had a player. Plus, I can't be the only one waiting for $50-$100 combo HD-DVD/blu-ray players (after seeing sony's implementation of DVD on the ps2, I think I'll pass on having the ps3 as my sole player).
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I'm waiting with you.
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Under the hood? (Score:2, Interesting)
360 vs nothing (Score:1)
tell me... what are you more afraid of?
1- the terrorist threatening you with a gun on your head?
2- the "terrorist" threatening you by saying he has a gun?
i think i'm more scared of real objects that can kill you instead of words that can be a load of BS.... so i would put money on the win of the Xbox 360 because it is presently a machine that EXISTS!
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It's pretty straightforward (Score:1)
PS3 will be on first gen games when it launches in November and at present no one really knows how the thing will work, seeing as no-one (not even developers) has seen the final production model yet.
So if you want a new games console now, get the 360. If you can wait 9 months for the dust to settle ask this question again then.
Now just wait a minute (Score:3, Interesting)
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>Do not pass go, do not collect $10,000, the games will decide.
Okay...
>Love 'em or hate 'em Sony is right in their assumption that no matter what the
>price the first 5 million are going to sell just because it's a playstation. [...]
>Myself and most everybody else will plop down their 500-600 and get the playstation.
>Let's be honest guys, the only reason people are complaining the price is because
>they know they
Re:Now just wait a minute (Score:1)
>Quote:
So are they buyin it because they like the games (which, oh yeah, like the system, don't even exist yet) or because they're one of Sony's fanboys?
They are buying based on past history. The PS2 was and is a great system. Many people are going to buy based on their experience with the PS2, and with their domination of the last generation a lot of consoles sold at launch will be sold on that and that alone.
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If MS follows through with their predictio
Re:Now just wait a minute (Score:2)
north america is their biggest sales region, but sales are only ~1.7 million here. [these were MS' own numbers from e3] the x360 "shortage" is over, but the consoles still arent flying off the shelves. it is still being outsold by a "weak" six year old console. x360 sales are far below sales of the original xbox. to put things in perspective; in its first couple of weeks, the ps2
Wii and PS3 (Score:1)
As for the PS3, it's mainly to feed my JRPG cravings. If the PS3 bombs and rpg developers move to Wii, then that'll be 1 less system to buy. If the rpg developers move to the 360 (shudders), I'll be forced to buy a 360. I'm hoping MistWalker pulls a Capcom (RE4)
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Ummm... (Score:2)
The PS2 looks like it's going to be the dominant console of 2006 [yes, I said 2] and the 360 is increasingly looking like yet another Dreamcast.
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Does it matter? (Score:1)
Note: I am not counting Nintendo in this, as the Wii control scheme probably makes porting games to other systems counter-productive.
Non Fan-boy opinion (Score:1)
First off, I don't think the Wii should be in the same discussion as the PS3 or XBox 360. I may happen to buy one if there are games I want to play on the console. However, the cold hard facts are that graphics sell games. A game that looks good will be talked about, and purchased. If Nintendo is smart, they will use style over polygons with the Wii so that their titles will look good. But at the
Re:Non Fan-boy opinion (Score:2, Insightful)
Are you serious? The Wii's controller is going to revolutionize gaming. It is going to open new markets and change the way we think about video games. In my opinion, the Wii is, in a way, the only console that should be considered "next-gen". Polygon counts and massive storage do not make games any more fun. The thing that makes a game consol
Re:Non Fan-boy opinion (Score:2)
Virtual Boy.
Super Scope Six.
R.O.B.
PowerPad.
PowerGlove.
I can go on.
I've enjoyed many a Nintendo game over the years, though my N64 and GameCube largely gathered dust over the years. I love the concept of force feedback and an analog control. Both were very poorly executed by Nintendo with the N64.
I have a special flight-stick I bought 10 years ago at a computer show. It has floating ball bearings that can sense how you move it through the air. You move the flight stick to the left in air, and your
Re:Non Fan-boy opinion (Score:1)
I believe it's actually just a single sensor bar, long and flat, which you lay on top of your TV, or somewhere near there. It contains the two sensors in the ends of the bar so they always stay in the proper relation to each other. A picture can be seen here (bottom picture): http://wii.nintendo.com/hardware.html [nintendo.com]
Which One will I Buy? (Score:2)
On the one hand, we have a console from a corporation whose products I would never purchase (new). On the other hand, we have a console from another corporation whose products I would never purchase (new).
So, if I were to ever get around to buying a new console (even though I still have so much on older consoles to catch up on...Saturn, Dreamcast, etc), I would have to go with Nintendo, despite the idiotic name they gave their new console.
Or, I'll pick up a used PS2 and/or XBox once
Re:Which One will I Buy? (Score:1)
Are the people at Nintendo really better? Remember the price fixing? [bbc.co.uk]
Corporations will always be corporations, that doesn't mean the developers at sony computer entertainment or microsoft games are asses..
Easy answer (Score:5, Insightful)
If you like western style games (very easy FPS, racing, movie tie-ins) get an XBOX 360. If you like Japanese style games (difficult RPGs, 2D/3D fighting games, anime tie-ins) get a PS3.
Re:Easy answer (Score:1)
For me, the 360 is an easy choice because:
a.) It's out now.
b.) It has lots of nice sports games, and I like sports games.
c.) I don't have to pay $200 extra for a BluRay drive that I won't use.
d.) I like Halo. Everyone I know likes Halo. There's only one console that has Halo.
If I was in a different situation - namely, a much more affluent situation - I'd go PS3. I don't really see how one is "superior" to the other, they'r
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SACD and Blu-Ray (Score:1)
over priced rubbish :D (Score:1)
Plus I haven't got an extra few hundred to spend for an xbox/ps3.
Here in Ireland it is all about the second hand games market. The GC did poorly here and the lack of second hand games showed.
This time around I think the Wii will capture 50%+ of the market and that means loads of second hand games.
I might get a ps3 in a few years, but only if they have some really really good games and their controller is d
like comparing SUVs... (Score:1)
It's all about bang-for-buck (Score:1)
There's more to a good game than good graphics. Look
Re:Doubt it... (Score:1)
Well, the 360 has a modern ATI GPU and the PS3 has a modern Nvidia GPU. Exactly how much difference do you expect there to be?
Do you think that the PS3 GPU is going to produce massively better graphics because it has the mighty Cell driving it? Why? How? Explain yourself, boy.
Re:Doubt it... (Score:1)
Also PS3 will have a built in PSU.
but im not talking specs...
XBOX360 graphics, in my opinion, have been laughable so far. I wouldnt call it a next-gen console, its
Ive read some of the things Microsoft has in its graphics R+D, its 10 years ahead of its 360. The
Re:Doubt it... (Score:1)
If all I had to judge with was the reality of the 360 game lineup versus the fantasy of prerendered "ps3 footage", I'm sure I'd come to the same conclusion, but I'm a rational individual.
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