Olympic Medalist was Spyware King 336
Remy writes "Seems that Australian gold medal mogulist Dale Begg-Smith is also a spyware entrepreneur. According to a report at Spam Kings, Begg-Smith has supported himself in style as president of a company responsible for generating 20,000,000 pop-ups per day, thanks to drive-by installs of spyware. I know the concept of Olympians being amateurs is outdated, but shouldn't they be barred from competition for this sort of thing?"
Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, on the subject of "amateurs", you can't be a "professional" in the sport you're competing in. There's nothing to say that someone can't be rich, or be a "professional" in some other field. He shouldn't be barred for "richly supporting himself" either, until installing spyware becomes an Olympic sport.
Hmm. Don't give them any ideas.
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Sport 1: Competitive spamming
Sport 2: Shooting. But we give the recievers the guns
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Nephilium
**Sniff sniff... is that burning karma I smell?**
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As an unrepresented citizen in the state where the Dishonorable Gentlemen from Massachusetts resides, I concur.
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Ummmmmmm....I do not think so. Pro-Basketball stars compete in the Basketball tournaments as do Pro-Ice Skaters (Michelle Quan?) Which is a bit sad since the Pros have already made it and it is the newbies that made the Olympics great. I understand that, as professionals, the people who compete have a chance to actually make some money while they are still young - but it used to be the atheletes competed to get the recognition. Now it's more like they compete to show off their backers. Almost like horses at a race track where the jockies have various brand names on their jackets (and I even saw a brand name on the blanket under the saddle once). Too much commercialism.
<On a side tangent>In the Bible Jesus threw the merchants out of the church saying churches were a place of worship and not for the selling of wares. Should the Olympic committee take a hint from him and throw the merchants out of the Olympics because it is a place for amateurs and not professionals? (By this I mean the merchants are basically buying their way in to the Olympics whereas before no blatant displays were allowed and now they are allowed.)</side tangent>
After all, what's the difference between watching the Indy 500, the WWW, or even a boxing match at Ceasar's Palace and the Olympics? None - if they keep going the way they are going.
Going back to the original topic though, being Spyware King has nothing to do with being a "professional" athelete. Nor would having gained a traffic ticket (so long as said ticket doesn't land you in jail). It is not yet against the law to create Spyware although a lot of people (myself included) do not like or want Spyware. So until that is changed - whether or not this person creates Spyware has nothing to do with whether or not they should or could compete in the Olympics.
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From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympics#Amateurism_a nd_professionalism [wikipedia.org]
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I understand the reason for the change, but I think it did take something out. Take for example the 1980 US hockey win against the Soviets. Why is that so famous? Because a team of college kids beat the most "professional" hockey team at that time. It was a big win because amateurs beat the professionals. (Yes, I know Team USA practiced for over a year before the Olympics but that was nothing compared to the years of practice for the Soviets).
Now, today in 2006, the US hockey team flew in the day before from all their NHL teams and then went on the ice the next day to play against Lativia. What is amazing in this 2006 game is that the "basically amateur" team from Lativia tied the NHL *super-stars*. Team Lativia went nuts after the game because they should have blown out. It made a big story because the professionals were almost beaten.
For the NHL professionals (or any other professional competing) this is not something they are dying to win. A lot of the time they are more worried about their National endorsements (think basketball star controversy) and/or they are worried about not going all out because they might get hurt and injure themselves and hurt their professional career. (Yes, not all think like this, but enough do which takes away some of the spirit of the games.)
Which would you rather see? A young amateur who goes all out and wins a gold after years of practice or a paid professional taking a week off from their competitive sport so they can try to pump up their professional career and get more shoe endorsements?
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This is just ignorant. The US hockey team lost because:
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This is completely wrong for team Canada and I'm sure for team
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The only two teams who are made up of 100% NHL players are Canada and Team USA. These two teams played for the gold 4 years ago in Nagano after handily beating all other strong hockey playing countries, which include Sweden, Finland, Russia and the Czech Republic. If you'll go back and look at the early rounds of each of the past several olympic games, the NHL-based clubs tend to do poorly early on and from time to time get beaten by teams made up of amateurs. Why is this?
1. The players are often travelling to the other side of the world 24-48 hours before they are supposed to step on the ice and play. That's hardly enough time to compensate for jet lag. (Obviously, this was not an excuse at Salt Lake in '02...)
2. NHL seasons are in full swing up to about 3 days before the first game at the olympics, meaning that the olympic teams made up of NHL players have little more than a single practice together in 4 months leading up to the games. That's not enough time to gel together as a cohesive team unit.
3. Teams that win Stanley cups aren't made up solely of a group of all-star players. On championship teams, each player has spent a good deal of time learning to fill a particular role on the squad so that the team plays better as a whole than would be expected based on the individual talent of each player alone. These NHL "dream team" squads often lack an appropriate mix of key role players.
4. Early games at the olympics are mostly meaningless. Given the circumstances (first competitive game together as a team) any professional coach will tell you it's more productive to spend time getting to understand each other's playing style rather than focusing on annihilating the competition as if it was the gold medal game.
5. "...on any given Sunday". Hockey, basketball and baseball are sports in which a few random lucky bounces can dramatically change the outcome of a single game. It's quite common (maybe 15-20% of the time?) that a team is outplayed, yet wins a game because a ref call goes one way or the other, or the ball/puck takes a lucky bounce. To compensate for this randomness, MLB, NBA and the NHL have instituted best-of-5 and best-of-7 series to reduce (but never quite eliminate) the chances that the weaker team will advance. The Olympics is single-game elimination in the semi-final rounds and beyond, meaning even a significantly weaker team has a decent chance of advancing past a strong competitor.
6. Hot goalies. More than any player on the ice, goalies have a huge impact on a team's overall results. A hot goalie can almost single-handedly win a game for a team that is otherwise badly outplayed. Witness the Czech Republic's beating of Canada at the 1998 Olympics for evidence of this. Stanley Cup champions almost without exception have very strong goaltending. It's not uncommon for a really hot goalie to turn aside 40-50 shots a game when his team fails him against a stronger opponent. These games can have surprisingly positive outcomes for otherwise badly outplayed teams if the goalie plays really well.
With that said, go Canada!
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You glossed over the reason why Olympic amateursism died: Communist block nations employing atheletes to train all day. From the same wikipedia article:
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Hard to say. The IOC is about as big a whore as this guy. We tend to overlook it because they put on such a pretty show, but the IOC signs lucrative, exclusive deals with Television Networks, designates
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Further (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, since when has it been a precondition of The Olympics for an athlete not to be some horrid scumbag? For the most part you only see these people perform, a smile or tears for the camera, stand around o
Um, olympic athletes *can* be professionals (Score:2)
Oh, except boxing... of course.
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Spam is illegal in Australia [dcita.gov.au]. The worst parts of spyware [dcita.gov.au] are illegal too (deception, fraud, etc). The problem is filtering and/or how to behave during an operation. What I mean is that they have some knowledge of what can be addicting. You can do together.
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The Winter Olympics Men's hockey tournament is essentially an NHL intra-squad match...
And for the Summer Olympics it's basicly the NBA vs. the World.
Remind me what the criteria is for "amateur" status?
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In true Aussie style: (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck you canada! You can have him back - and take this trashy medal with you on your way out.
Re:In true Aussie style: (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck you Aussies! You claimed him in the first place - you keep him! We're going to keep the steroid users from Jamaica.
- Zarq.
Re:In true Aussie style: (Score:3, Funny)
(Being on Slashdot) this could be interpreted as if we asked him to stop sending spam and because he refused he's now in Australia.
(Still being on Slashdot) I could go even further and imply that Australia actively supports spamming!
Re:In true Aussie style: (Score:3, Funny)
(Being on Slashdot) this could be interpreted as if we asked him to stop sending spam and because he refused he's now in Australia.
There's got to be a penal joke in there somewhere
Imposter (Score:5, Funny)
A real Canadian would apologise.
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I'm sorry. I shouldn't have let it happen in the first place.
You'll note I'll be vague over precisely what I'm apologizing for. *grin*
- Zarq
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Sorry, that's right.
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We're sorry you feel that way.
As a Canadian, (Score:3, Funny)
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Unfortunately, Celine Dion is simply inexcusable and unforgivable.
Re:In true Aussie style: (Score:2, Funny)
Shut the fuck up assholes, or we'll bomb and liberate both your countries!
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Wouldn't it be easier to feed him to the dingos?
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Missing Link (Score:2)
Always check your links!
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In any case, lots of elite athletes are not particularly nice people. Doesn't alter the fact the guy is a damn good mogul skiier.
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No (Score:2, Funny)
No. I don't think I want the Olympics in charge of non-sports morality. They should have their asses beat by people that meet them, though.
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Or they could do an interesting drug test - "We heard you are a spammer and need to find out if you have been using drugs. Drop your pants and stand next to this ruler."
They should've made him ski while his CPU... (Score:4, Funny)
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those that excell (Score:4, Funny)
interesting (Score:5, Informative)
Amateurs (Score:2)
Amateur atheletes... they don't have to be jobless (even if that job is spamming).
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I feel they should be barred from this planet...
Skiing over the moguls... (Score:4, Funny)
Even if you win, you're still a scumbag.
Congrats [epsilonminus.com].
I hope you're joking (Score:3, Insightful)
What relevance at all does spamming have to do with the Olympics? Why not just fire and ban spammers from all walks of life, jobs, restaurants, movies, etc, oh wait, it's a little something called freedom. As much as all us hate spam, child porno, junk mail, ads, laywers, etc, we must live them. It's something most people call "society".
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HOW DARE YOU sully child pornographers by placing them in the same category as spammers and junk mailers???!?!?!?!11111
Seriously, though, I think you're making a big mistake here. Kiddie porn must never be acceptable in any society under any circumstances. Lumping that in with necessary (or unnecessary) evils that we tolerate is just plain wrong.
For example, nobody lik
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I'm not sure what "society" you live in, but the one I live in calls child porno "illegal" and definitely not a freedom. The other stuff, sure.
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I think one of those might be illegal, actually...not sure.
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And it is why they need to be thrown in jail for "drive by downloading." In fact, I think it is already a felony in some states.
Felons should not be allowed to compete in the olympics. Just like they don't allow "dopers."
It gives the olympics a bad name.
Re:I hope you're joking (Score:2)
Spam is still (in itself) legal, so are ads and lawyers. Child porno is *not* legal (at least in most countries) and certainly not something you must learn to live with.
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Sounds good to me.
There's a little system that pretty much all societies have invented. See, when someone does something really outrageously wrong, something that harms society as a whole, society takes their freedom away from them. It's called "justice". Spamming is something that harms every computer user in the world. Justice is overdue.
Re:I hope you're joking (Score:4, Informative)
'The Olympic Code of Ethics says participants "must not act in a manner likely to bring the reputation of the Olympic Movement into disrepute."'
Now given that spamming is illegal in many countries within the olympics, and because it is all over the internet it can gain vast public interest. Id say this breaks the code entirely and by allowing someone whod be considered a felon in many countries to compete, the Olympics are very much being brought in to disrepute.
He has the freedom to spam. They have the freedom to kick him out of the Olympics. It's a little something called, freedom is a double edged sword. Welcome to society.
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Spammers surreptitiously install malicious software on people's computers against the computer owner's will or knowledge. It is illegal in the U.S.A, the U.K., and probably in Australia. I think criminal activity is enough to bar one from competition in the Olympics.
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It is that mentalit
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The olympics are judging competitors on thier sporting abilities, not thier business ethics. If Dale has broken some law then fair enough, chase him down with lawyers. Disqualifying him from the olympics would be on par with banning anyone who fails a doping test from running thier own business - they are completely unrelated.
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ps: this is only a joke if rated funny and a serious warning all should heed if rated anything else.
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(Please don't misinterpret this as saying that Jesse Owens was somehow wrong.)
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And if they refuse, the OC should move the games.
Likewise, they should ban criminals from competing, and bar countries that allow criminals to compete.
The Olympics should have a sense of law unto itself.
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20,000,000? (Score:5, Funny)
That's it?
Pfft. That's like 100,000 infected machines, tops.
Please don't tell me (Score:5, Funny)
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Are, um, male appendage enhancement pills banned by the Olympic authorities?
(Is it 'performance enhancing' if one has to lug a minor python around in one's trousers? I do hope for his sake he wasn't partaking in what he was most likely advertising...)
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That doesn't mean the Australian Olympic Committee can't ban him.
What gives? Everyone's standing up for the rights of the spammer? I'll happily admit there are even worse crimes in the world, but those have penalties too.
Let me remind folks that it was just this month that the Australian PM wanted to ban a New Zealand athlete from the Commonwealth Games because he had committed manslaughter, and had finished served his sentence nearly ten years ago. He's not a shining example, and manslaughter is more serious than spamming, sure. But where's the dividing line between crimes that are serious enough to warrant bans and crimes that aren'? What about robbery? embezzlement? white-collar crime? Now we're in grey areas. I'd say spammers are fairly high up the list of serious criminals who should be kicked out of an event which ostensibly (though not in actuality) is there to celebrate human dignity.
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Mogul Mogul (Score:2)
(and now for something
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You must be new here....
Seriously, I cannot remember an Olympics where the "human interest" stories were not the bulk of the coverage. I doubt NBC has cornered this market.
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When you watch the Olympics and see commercials for baby stuff and feminine hygenie products as well as the soap opera type "human interest" stories you are made acutely aware that this coverage is not for the hard-core sports fiend. (ie men). Would NBC garner higher ratings if they went the hardcore sports route? Doubtful, men are not really the demographic of prime time tv in an
You haven't looked very hard, have you? (Score:2)
You're just getting the highly produced, packaged version.
It's a little high on artificial drama and sappy anecdotes, but I think they do a pretty good job of production considering they have less than a day to put together every night's show. Consider the Tour de France, where, until OLN was broadcasting it daily (thanks Lance) you had to watch the distilled summary every sunday. They had no problem getting the viewer up to speed and making it dramati
Foster's. Australian for beer. (Score:5, Funny)
*WAS* is the important word right (Score:5, Funny)
Well at least the olympics are good for reducing spam right ?
Professionals in the Olympics (Score:2, Informative)
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Really, 'amateur' sport isn't any more noble or better than professional sport, it was originally conceived as an elitist ideal at the dawn of the modern Olympic games because only the rich could compete since they were the only ones that could fund their lifestyle and afford the time and money to be any good at 'amateur' sport.
It's a restriction that should have been discarded a long time ago... because someone is 'professional' just means t
his real sponsors.... (Score:5, Funny)
I bet it has 'sponsored by C1Alis! and Vi4gra! By online too satsfy you're lady"
Modified medal (Score:5, Funny)
he is an amteur (Score:4, Insightful)
"I know the concept of Olympians being amateurs is outdated, but shouldn't they be barred from competition for this sort of thing?"
Well, it is correct that the Olympics no longer require that the contestants be amateurs, but even if they did the Australian in question would still be an amateur. I.e., olympic athletes were always allowed to be professionals in some field but untill few years ago they were not allowed to be pros in the field they are competing in. So the quoted sentence does not make much sence.
A think a much bigger issue is what this guy did may have been a crime in many of the countries he was doing it in. So should a criminal be allowed in the Olympics? I don't know
spyware & the olympics have a connection? (Score:2)
Take away his medal and... (Score:5, Funny)
The Olympics and 'morality' (Score:2)
who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
So he was making crapware? BFD. With the possible exceptions of the EFFers and some folks at NASA, how many slashdotters haven't ever written code that doesn't pollute the world with wasted CPU cycles? Christ, I ju
He Should Compete! (Score:2)
Official NBC/Olympics bio (Score:4, Informative)
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The spammer was taken to a hospital with
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He's already shot a lawyer, if he can bag a spammer and an RIAA executive, Cheney will be a shoo-in for the 2008 presidential election.
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"Jesus loves you, but everyone else thinks you're an asshole"
It's pretty popular [google.com]
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I see him getting his just deserts when he's pressed on his past and gets irritated.
(not an actual interview, but how I'd love to see one go)
"Congratulations on making $40,000,000 on spy-ware and unethical business practices, Dale."
"Hey, I just won a gold medal, can we talk about that?"
"They give out gold medals now for hijacking browsers to porn sites?"
"No, it was for moguls!"
"Ah, yes, we see you