Toxic Toads Taking Over Australia 564
An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo News is reporting that toxic toads imported from Hawaii to help control the beetle population that was ravaging Australia's sugar cane crops have instead become pests themselves. From the article: 'The toads can grow as large as dinner plates and weigh up to 4.5 pounds. Their heads and backsides are studded with rows of warts that secrete a milky white toxin called bufotoxin. Because Australia has no native toads, many native predators such as snakes, lizards and mammals are very sensitive to the toxin. So when the toads spread, they immediately kill off many of the region's top predators.'"
Terrible Summary (Score:5, Insightful)
From TFA: Cane toads have been a problem in Australia for a very long time now....this is hardly news.
So why is this a news story? From the TITLE of TFA: And from TFA: This is the actual 'news', not the summary's title. Given the FIRST sentence from TFA:
It's a shame that such an interesting story is derailed like this before it even gets started...the editors really do need to start reading submissions.
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Still, it's a story that's got legs on it.
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Evolution? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Evolution? (Score:5, Interesting)
The toads to first colonise an area will of course be the fittest, fastest toads; these are individuals that have eaten the most, grown the best, and able to move longer distances more quickly in search of new feeding areas. The motivation to move comes from competition in existing areas, and an abundance of "resources" (ie. food, space) in uncolonised areas. Less fit competitors take longer to move into new feeding areas because they are less able to do so. As far as the toads in the "older" established populations in Queensland go, they reached carrying capacity in the environment decades ago so there are no new areas to colonise, no abudant resources to lead to monsterous toads, and generally a much smaller average size given their short generation time.
I have not read Ben's paper yet so I'm not sure whether the claims of evolution are simply media spin, but I know enough about toad population dynamics (I research toad impacts on native species) to question the assumptions made in TFA. Without knowing more about the research, the conclusions seem to be explainable through standard population models.
Re:Evolution? (Score:3, Insightful)
What you guys need is a roaming army of toad killing robots. My solution for the dead toads would be to use them as a fuel for the robots.
You'd have a mother type robot that would contain a miniture Thermal depolymerization plant that would eat toads and then burn the resulting oil to power itself. It would probably need to suppliment it's power usage with solar pane
Re:Evolution? (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, this brings up a good point. THere are basically two underlying, not necessarily exlusive evolutionary explanations:
1. The first toads had some variation in leg length. Now only the ones with long legs are found at the vanguard.
2.Some time since they were introduced, mutation(s) have occured given longer legs. These traits have then been strongly selected for.
Clearly 1. is part of the expl
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version 2.0?
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I'd like to take the opposite stance. Have you ever seen a Kane Toad? Anything that butte ugly couldn't have been Intellegently Designed so in fact proves the nonexistence of God! Wait a minute, God must be taken on faith. So if something so incredibly ugly exists then it must prove the nonexistence of God because to assume it must have been designed to rely on faith to prove God's existence then it proves God does not in fact exist. I was worried there for a moment. If anyone has any questions I'll be standing next to the Zebra Crossing sign.
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Every animal has a great potential for rapid adaptation to a new environment. It doesn't take many generations of highly selective breeding to alter an animal in ways that on the surface look very significant. Longer legs, beaks, different combinations of pigments, ... But in terms of DNA changes are really very minor, only selecting a different combination of attributes from an
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If you don't accept "macro-evolution" then you must believe there is something that prevents these thousands of small changes causing significant change over geological timescale. What on earth do you think th
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Nearly no intelligent designer writes off evolution. They write off evolution being able to produce entirely new species altogether.
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Exactly. We believe that tiny changes occur every once in a while, and that those changes could influence the survivability of an animal and increase the likeliness that the trait would survive in its offspring, and that over a couple million years, that would happen many, many, many, many, many, many times, we just don't believe any of those changes could possibly produce sex
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I was also wondering about this. I remember reading about the problem in a magazine about 20 years ago. Thanks for the clarification, and now that you just gave us the gist of the article, I won't have to spend energy reading it (although probably spent more writing this)... but whatever. Marcos
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No, it's not -- this is Slashdot, remember?
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You must be new here.
Re:Terrible Summary (Score:4, Funny)
Next week's lead article "Australia goes to battle against EVIL Nazis!", then in a few years time we'll post the article "Dingo eats baby in outback Australia."
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Good Sir, know that you speak of TripMasterMonkey, whose karma whoring has passed into legend, even on these most whore filled of boards.
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Re:Terrible Summary (Score:2, Insightful)
Not if they were imported in 1935...
Re: Seems obvious (Score:2, Funny)
OMFG! (Score:2)
Honestly, is this actually news to anyone?
You can learn pretty much everything you would ever want to know about the relationship between Cane Toads and the people of Australia in this delightful little movie:
http://www.cane-toad.com/ [cane-toad.com]
G.
Cane Toad documentary (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Cane Toad documentary (Score:2, Informative)
Some other wonderfully bizarre scenes include the girl playing with a toad that she has dressed in a tutu, and my personal favorite: the guy in the VW microvan swerving down the road trying to hit every toad in his path. You know you've gotten one when you hear a good pop.
Real story is the Ravens (Score:5, Interesting)
Nothing that is except a small population of Ravens that learned that if you flip the toads over, the bellys have no poison. As soon as one figured this out, others started to copy the behavior. Now ravens are disembowling these toads all over the place.
Now that is cool.
Re:Real story is the Ravens (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, several native species are beginning to target the Cane Toad.
Ric Nattrass [drivingyouwild.com.au], in his Wildlife Talkback radio segment (search on abc.net.au [abc.net.au] for more), often recieves reports about various birds and other animals beginning to eat toads.
Personally, we have native White-Tailed Rats that catch toads in our pond, and eat their insides, leaving a neatly-cleaned skin and skeletal parts behind.
So, although all is not lost, it takes some time, and many species are wiped out before they work out either how to eat them or to leave them alone. When they reach Kakadoo [unesco.org], it is going to be a disaster, but no one has any way to prevent it.
Re:Real story is the Ravens (Score:5, Funny)
Four words:
"National Toad Wacking Month"
Re:Real story is the Ravens (Score:5, Informative)
I've seen one hit with a golf club, fly a fair distance and smack into a tree only to crawl off. They have been run over by cars and survived.
A whacking day won't kill them. A *chopping* day might.
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Simpsons quote (Score:5, Funny)
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas! Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
Re:Simpsons quote (Score:2, Funny)
"Bufo marinus? I would'a called them Chazwazzes"
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Homer: Hey, look! Those frogs are eating all their crops.
from Bart vs. Australia [snpp.com]
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Owner: [sweeping a bunch of toads out] Get out, get out! Shoo, shoo.
Get out of here, yuck! These bloody things are everywhere.
They're in the lift, in the lorry, in the bond wizard, and all
over the malonga gilderchuck.
Clerk: They're like kangaroos, but they're reptiles, they is.
Marge: We have them in America. They're called bullfrogs.
Clerk: What? That's an odd name. I'd have called them "chazzwazzers".
Futurama quote (Score:2, Funny)
Welcome (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Welcome (Score:2)
You misspelt old.
This plot seems familiar... (Score:2)
This is news? (Score:4, Interesting)
The big news is that they are {evolving|being noodly appendaged} to be able to travel further (they're spreading at a rate of up to 60 km/year as opposed to 10 km/yr when they were introduced) and they are adapting to colder climates.
Apart from their utility in practicing my golf swing, this is quite scary stuff for those of us here in the south.
Re:This is news? (Score:4, Funny)
Death of a Cane Toad [google.com]
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First, an introduction.
Cane Toads (Bufos Marinas?) are an obnoxious, brown, warty type of frog (OK, toad) that inhabit vast areas of Australia. Their introduction and proliferation in Australia is a classic example of ecology gone wrong. In the beginning, there were no cane toads in Australia. Sugar cane was introduced to its fair shores, along with the sugar cane came the cane beetle, a nasty, brown insect about 3/4 inch long.
"How do we stop the cane beetle," ask the scientists, "the little fuckers are eating all our sugar cane."
"Ahhh," says someone clever, "Why not look around the world to see what eats cane beetles, then introduce them into Australia and the problemo is solved!"
Wrong.
They found a natural predator in the cane toad, which came from Hawaii of all places. In 1935, 55 pairs (as in 110) cane toads were released in the small North Queensland town of Gordonvale. Unfortunately, Australia did not have any predators that liked to eat the toads, probably due to the poison glands on the back of their neck. Similarly, the cane toads found that there was much more interesting and tasty stuff to eat than boring old cane beetles.
The result was a plague of biblical proportions.
As a consequence, every man, woman and child living north of Sydney has grown up knowing the extreme pleasure of killing cane toads. Motorists swerve to hit them, cricketers hoist them for a six (equivalent of home run for you 'Merkins) over the boundary, weekend gardeners chase them down with a lawn mower.
The following, is some of the many varied ways I have dispatched these nasty little buggers while I lived in Queensland. Perhaps some other Aussies can add to the list, what about you Hawaiians out there?
THE THONG SLAP (TS)
The Thong Slap (TS) is not fatal to a cane toad, but is an important component of many of the other means of disposal. To perform a TS, one quickly removes their thong (rubber, sandal-like footwear) and slaps a toad hard on the head. This stuns the toad and stops it from hopping all over the place.
DEATH BY CLUBBING
#1) Take golf clubs out into the back yard, usually only a 2-wood, 6-iron and 9-iron. Find a toad and dispatch with club of your choice. If the toad is sitting upright, use the driver. Extra points are
awarded for lofted shots over the house and on to the street. Hitting a "slice" tends to result in separate pieces of toad.
#2) Take a field hockey stick and dispatch as above. Remember not to raise the head of the stick above shoulder height, otherwise a penalty may ensue.
#3) Using a cricket stump, first smash the toad with the blunt end, then reverse the stump and impale it with the pointed end. Shake the toad off the pointed end and repeat if necessary.
DEATH BY GARDEN TOOL
A special class devoted to common garden tools. Favorite tools are the shovel (hit with flat side, then chop up with blade), the mattock (chopping only), the pitch fork (see how many you can collect) and the
axe (slice and dice).
DEATH BY SPORTING EQUIPMENT
Another special class, covering those instruments not involved with clubbing. Some nice effects can be gained with tennis rackets (small toads only - great for perfecting that two-handed backhand), darts
(nothing like a moving bullseye) and football boots.
DEATH BY SLICING AND CHOPPING
#1) Take you mother's best carving knife outside and see if you *really* can throw it like a Bowie knife.
#2) After performing a TS, flip the toad over and use an Xacto knife to practice your vivisection techniques. See how much you can remove and still get the toad to hop away.
#3) Perform TS, throw toad into the air and try to hit with a machete. More points are awarded if the pieces are equal in size.
DEATH BY SQUASHING
#1) One of my all-time faves: Perform a TS, then throw the toad out onto a bust street. Bet with friends how many cars will miss it before it goes POP.
#2) Go to the local cricket field late
A classic example (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what they come up with as a solution to the new non-indigenous toad problem. Will it be another mistake of the same type or will they attempt an artificial means to exterminate the toads? And wht of these toxins? Are they actually useful for anything? My guess is that they might be useful for making drugs... is this the same toxic toad that kids lick to get a trip on?
They just need to get a collection of "Crocodile-Dundee" types together and have themselves a toad-hunt and then a Bah-bee.
Re:A classic example (Score:3, Informative)
When I first saw this on /. I was thinking "have we learned nothing..." Then I RTFCs and saw that this mistake was made in 1935. That puts it in the great run of eco-mistakes like mongooses to Hawaii, rose bushes to West Virginia, and Kudzu all over the south.
Sure, there will be a new harmonious balance of nature eventually. We generally don't like it. And we pretty much never like the intervening
5-MeO-DMT (Score:2, Interesting)
The high from the 5-methoxy version of DMT is not nearly as visual, but it's an incredible mindfuck. Check out Erowid [erowid.org] for details.
This may cause hell for the enviro
Re:5-MeO-DMT (Score:2, Informative)
I don't think this is correct. It is Bufo alvarius which does have this hallucinogenic venom [slashdot.org].
Problem Solved (Score:2, Funny)
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Nothing for you to see here... (Score:2)
any ozzies, here's a question for you: (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:any ozzies, here's a question for you: (Score:3, Informative)
However, Australians have been known to take this species of frog, kill it, dry the skin, and smoke it. This will get you high. See previous anonymous poster's link to erowid.
Best,
Paul
D'oh... I meant toad. (Score:2)
s/frog/toad
Best,
Paul
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I'm sure it's not just you I'd be doing a favor for by doing so.
thanks anon ;-) (Score:2)
Toads Staying alive! Staying alive.... (Score:3, Funny)
Old story...good documentary (Score:2)
An exellent and extremely entertaining documentary about the cane toad invasion is known simply as "Cane Toads"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130529/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZn x0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9Y2FuZSB0b2FkfGZ0PTF8 bXg9MjB8bG09NTAwfGNvPTF8aHRtbD0xfG5tPTE_;fc=2;ft=2 2;fm=1 [imdb.com]
The article has a little bit of new info regarding leg length. However, the documentary makes paints these as creatures completely absurd. You have to be to reproduce that quickly.
Its so funny and bizzare that I didn't believe it was
Cane toads? (Score:2)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Obviously a y2k problem... (Score:2)
Maybe when they get to 1982 they can slip Jobs a word about giving the Lisa a miss?
PS: that's "Bolshevik".
Re:Obviously a y2k problem... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In other news... (Score:3, Insightful)
RTFA (Score:2, Informative)
amazing alliteration (Score:2)
I was going to read the article but I was blindsided by the topic. Sorry if I let you guys down.
Sorry, not the psychoactive kind (Score:2)
Toad King! (Score:2)
I, for one, welcome our new toxic toad overlords!
Toad:
ribbet, ribbet ribbt, ribbbit riibbite ribbit!
That's the price we pay... (Score:2)
That is the price we pay for being "clever" human beings. I wonder why on one hand, countries like Australia advocate for leaving nature to take its toll while on the other hand, t
Solution.... (Score:2)
Oh, and, so that we don't have this problem again, don't forget to import whatever their predators are (and so on). And, once we've had all of Hawaii's fauna displace the native ones, have Hawaii annex Australia... and rename it something like "Ulawakai'i".
- Joe
Here's a documentary on Australia's Cane Toad Hist (Score:2)
Humane Killing (Score:5, Interesting)
The current huge argument is over whether it is human to beat them to death with Golf clubs.
Seriously, a NT minister suggested that golf clubs worked great, and lots of animal liberationists lost it, and suggested the only humane way was to put something on their back (can't remember what, put them in a plastic bag and then freeze them to death.
Hello people, this Toad is destroying our Native wildlife and you are worried about cruelty ????
Re:Humane Killing (Score:2)
Reminds me of an episode of The Goodies. (Score:2)
As a canetoad myself... (Score:4, Informative)
Obligatory... (Score:2)
Australian Cane Toad Sports (Score:2, Informative)
Disco Overlords (Score:2)
If they're going to take over, lets not give them any ideas.
Genetic self-destruct button (Score:4, Interesting)
I am not sure about the exact implementation of this, but perhaps reducing resistability to some otherwise harmless disease, or increasing sensitivity to a type of poison...
Any biology experts to comment on the idea?
We tried that already... (Score:3, Funny)
Cane toad evolution (Score:2, Informative)
Longer Legs? Disco Clubs? (Score:3, Funny)
Toxic toads bound across the northern tropics of Australia faster than ever, thanks to the evolution of longer legs in the few short decades since humans introduced them to their own little paradise...Last year, researchers announced they had successfully lured and trapped the toads using ultraviolet lights like those used in disco clubs.
I guess those long legs are being put to good use. I'll bet that hallucinogenic stuff they secrete is a hit with the ladies on the dance floor.
Those little guys are Nasty (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why always Australia? (Score:4, Funny)
Because Tokyo finally learned to cover these things up
G.
Re:Why always Australia? (Score:5, Interesting)
Probably because the local flora and fauna that has been seperated from the rest of the world for so long that it can't compete with every critter/plant that some moron brings in from somewhere else. Though there are certainly plenty of other critters [wikipedia.org] introduced elsewhere that cause problems like this.
Re:Why always Australia? (Score:5, Interesting)
Like Australia, Hawaii is geographically isolated. Species thrive without competition, but when a more competitive species arrives, it has an easy time taking over.
On the other hand, Australia has been isolated for a lot longer than Hawaii has existed, so while Hawaii is populated by successive waves of immigrating species going back thousands of years, Australia's got millions of years' worth of native species that haven't had to deal much with foreigners until a few hundred years ago.
Re:Why always Australia? (Score:4, Informative)
Jedidiah.
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Re:Us aussies have been playing cricket with them (Score:3, Funny)
so that's how they've tricked you all into helping them to spread at 60km/year instead of the expected 10km/year.
Re:Us aussies have been playing cricket with them (Score:2)
Moog: Yeah, but what are all those little things all over it?
Ort: I dunno, I think they call themselves 'people'.
Moog: I wonder how far they would fly if I hit them with my whacking stick?
I bet they once worshipped us for bringing them to the toad equivalent of the Garden of Eden, but now the hordes of cane toads hate us with all their fury!
Re:Oblig.: I'd have called them "chazzwazzers" (Score:2)
(Old Australian joke - if you were Australian you'd be from Wagga Wagga...)
Exactly Where: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Exactly Where: (Score:2, Informative)
No, it isn't. Tasmania is an island south of Australia. Tazmania describes a bipolar cartoon character when he's not depressed.
Re:Not News, This is a Decades-Old Problem (Score:4, Informative)