Knowledge Overload or Internet Lazy? 154
Dareth writes "Are we being overloaded by knowledge? Is the number of sources growing faster than we can keep up with them? These questions are posed by this article in USA Todays's tech section The article seems to suggest we need 'better technology to cope with the problems better technology creates.'" From the article: "With a generation growing up expecting everything on the Internet, libraries, non-profit organizations and leading search companies like Yahoo and Microsoft are committing hundreds of millions of dollars collectively to scan books and other printed materials so they can be indexed and retrieved online. HarperCollins Publishers even announced plans in mid-December to digitize its vast catalog."
Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:5, Interesting)
I was blessed with a terribly short memory from a very young age, but along with it came the ability to assimilate and aggregate seemingly different items together, and do so quickly. My bad memory led to VERY low grades but very high aptitude testing -- quite a conundrum. I took to BBSes and other forms of "instant variable information" quickly at a very young age, and when the Internet hit (mostly gopher at that time, from what I recall), I absorbed it immediately.
I don't think knowledge overload is necessarily a bad thing -- it is how you use the knowledge that allows us to make the "morality" consideration. It is the old "did the gun or the shooter kill?" debate, and one that I think may be one-sided when it comes to slashdot: many of us make our livings either by manipulating information for others, or by helping others get to that information.
I can think of many reasons why this information overload is positive, but I can also see how it can become a crutch for some. I have Google everywhere I go (WAP, SMS, HTML) and it is definitely a huge help in so many ways, but it also allows my already bad short term memory to not get the exercise it needs. While I feel I am much smarter at what I was always good at, I have probably become way dumber in what I wasn't strong in. Even the wife acknowledges my memory is worse now than it was 10 years ago (short term that is, my long term memory is very solid).
Some days I wonder if my memory problems might have been FROM an early introduction to the PC. When I was 4 I touched my first keyboard and quickly adjusted to using a keyboard over using a pencil (around 6 years). This is about 25 years ago. Is what I have more like the ADD that today's youths seems to all have, and do they have ADD because of the early introduction to knowledge overload? Do short attention spans possibly come from our 60-75hz gods?
It will be interesting to see who from the next generation holds true to the old information forms: pencil, paper, book, memory lessons.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, before the internet, you would have to be familiar with librarys and card catalogs -- learning how to use those efficiently would have been of much greater value than memorizing a bunch of discrete facts. Today, the internet can provide a great deal of information in the same way, and learning how to navigate it through search tools is far more valuable than the individual bits of information a search turns up.
I think the whole "information overload" thing boils down to a lot of people who didn't learn "how to learn". If you learned how to discover new information in the most general sense, and on your own, the internet is not a source of frustration or overload -- it's a repository of all those things it doesn't make sense to store in your head. For people who need to be spoon fed every fact -- heck yeah, they'll be overloaded, but so what?
As to the parent poster -- don't chide yourself for being smart. It's smart to store only that information which you need immediately locally (and by locally I mean in your brain). Everything else belongs in an external but accessible database.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree, further this is a generational thing. Children typically don't suffer from information overload because they learn how to best utilize the tools at their disposal. Growing up they have a base of experience on how to prioritize and maximize information. This is most evident in the use of technology, as it changes so quickly. They demonstrate greater productivity because they aren't constrained by how things used to be.
For example while older people are used to just calling for all situations, children have learned to maximize the text message function. Instead of calling 5 people for a get together, they just send out a message to all 5. They even develop a text message language for faster communication, which would mystify those not familar with it.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2)
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2)
For example while older people are used to just calling for all situations, children have learned to maximize the text message function. Instead of calling 5 people for a get together, they just send out a message to all 5. They even develop a text message language for faster communication, which would mystify those not familar with it.
This is a joke, right?
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:1)
You overrate the importance of the internet. (Score:1)
No, the only major difference today is that card catalogs are becoming obsolete, because li
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2)
Now, before the internet, you would have to be familiar with librarys and card catalogs -- learning how to use those efficiently would have been of much greater value than memorizing a bunch of discrete facts.
But of course you have to trust the methods by which you get that info. E. g. Google is now in a position where they will sorely be tempted to bend their results toward commercial interests. Hopefully, they will not give in. However, even having said that, who is to say their results provide the mos
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:3, Interesting)
On the other hand, there are now so many more ways to access information that it is not surprising to hear that some people are feeling overloaded.
I agree that it is now very much important to teach how to learn, rather than just rote learning. By that I don't mean how to learn the latest software packages.
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Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2, Interesting)
To me, it is not surprising that memory/recall (a low-grade intellectual function) is early to be automated by machine. Does that not give some insight into what rank we should give memory?
To quote Nietzsche: "Many a man fails to become a thi
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:4, Interesting)
Some days I wonder if my memory problems might have been FROM an early introduction to the PC. When I was 4 I touched my first keyboard and quickly adjusted to using a keyboard over using a pencil (around 6 years). This is about 25 years ago. Is what I have more like the ADD that today's youths seems to all have, and do they have ADD because of the early introduction to knowledge overload? Do short attention spans possibly come from our 60-75hz gods?
I find that the younger generation can't ADD (with the + sign) unless they have a computer or calculator handy. Ask them to add two wierd numbers (127 and 67, for example) and see how long it takes to get an answer without letting them use a calculator or their computer (hint, you'll be waiting until the devil skates to work).
I got my first computer at about 3 or 4 as well; a C64. I went through school at the time when using a computer in school was considered a treat. In primary school it was less than an hour a week at school (except for the special class I did once a week which was an hour of extra-curricular programming activities that was organised by the school for a few of us with exceptional computing skills).
In high school it was only a couple of hours a week in school that we were allowed to use the computers. Basic typing and computer skills were all that were taught (boooooorrrrring to someone who had advanced C knowledge by the time they were 13). There was also diversity in the platform, with some DOS PCs, some Windows PCs and some BBC micros (my fav game ever was on the BBC but i can't remember the damned name of it), Microbees, Commodore 64s, etc. These days it's all Windows PCs everywhere so the students aren't even learning how to think about what they're doing; they're just learning "click here, drag there".
I think that in the current generation memory problems and total lack of basic skills like handwriting and mathematics are lacking. It's all to do with the gotta-be-online nature of the world these days.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2)
What with the newfangled teaching methods where everything has to be "fun", and the focus on "learning through computers", we've raised an amazingly ignorant generation.
I've noticed that computer-based education doesn't focus on learning skills; it focuses on getting the computer to do the work for you. So kids learn how to input numbers into Cal
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:2)
How does that foot taste?
Bitter, given it was the result of an edit before posting that I got slightly cocked up. I would go back and change my post if I could. Give me peace - it's the hangover season!
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Some days I wonder if my memory problems might have been FROM an early introduction to the PC. When I was 4 I touched my first keyboard and quickly adjusted to using a keyboard over using a pencil (around 6 years). This is about 25 years ago. Is what I have more like the ADD that today's youths seems to all have, and do they have ADD because of the early introduction to knowledge overload? Do short attention spans possibly come from our 60-75hz gods?
If so, I wonder how much of a disadvantage it would be. It
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:4, Funny)
Even the wife acknowledges my memory is worse now than it was 10 years ago
I'm going to assume by that that you mean *your* wife. If this is the case, don't bother to go looking for other reasons for your loss of short-term memory. Dishonestly responding, "no" to the question, "Do I look fat in this?" 20,000 times not only undermines one's credibility (due to forced living in a fantasy world), it also leads to early senility (due to your brain overloading the truth/error correction circuit).
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:1)
Considering my karma went from Excellent to Good today, I'm not karma whoring
Actually, the wifey is taking way too long getting dressed, my mail e-mail server is down all weekend for maintenance, and its snowing.
How about you?
Happy New Year, btw.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:1)
What's worse than posting on Slashdot on New Year's Eve?
Mail server maintenance.
Re:Information overload a diagnosed problem? (Score:1)
LDAP server maintenance
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Re:Guns? (Score:1)
Re:Guns? (Score:2)
From recent personal experience, there are two major ways we absorb data - intellectual and intuitive.
The intellectual approach allows you to carefully weigh the data on relevance, sources, and cross-references, allowing you to absorb information, and improve your knowledge. It's the approach everyone claims to aspire to, as you might then be able to put it into practice, and gain wisdom. But it's time-consuming, and without discipline can lead to a never-ending pyramid of learning (oh, the shame).
The i
Re:Guns? (Score:2)
The other kind of overload (Score:2)
I would call what you're referring to intelligence overload :)
Information overload, to me, is simple having too much information to study in a given time. In other words, even if you can understand all of the information, there is simply too much to keep track of.
The problem here is that information on websites is infinite, not that the information is particularly complex. For example, I have RSS feeds from about 40 websites, along with personal emails and mailing list emails to keep track of. I just
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Or.. (Score:5, Funny)
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The Amish people can speak for themselves here at slashdot, thank you very much.
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The Amish may have the right idea (Score:5, Insightful)
The reality is more complicated. Basically, that they simply have different values than most urban Americans.
They refuse to allow technology to intrude into the parts of their life which they value the most: Eg: personal relationships.
Many Amish sects actually allow the use of telephones, but not in the home. Several homes will sometimes share a telephone housed outside in a small kiosk the same way that several houses may have a common location for their mail boxes.
The tendency, when faced with new technologies, is for the Amish to wait a good long time to see the effects of the technology on the larger society, and then make a decision as to whether to allow it into their towns.
That may be viewed as being very conservative, but its certainly not crazy or stupid.
Re:Or.. (Score:3)
Those going through the "wild phase" when they are 16? Are even allowed to have a car. After that age the kid has to decide for himself whether to adopt the lifestyle of his parents or go out into the world and fend
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from the article (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, that logic is all screwed up. We obviously need to engineer and release silicon eating rats to control the ever dispersing technology, and rat eating cats, then cat eating dogs, and finally, open a lot of vietnamese restraunts everywhere technology was over-taking everyday human existance.
Re:from the article (Score:2)
1000 results for your query? (Score:1, Interesting)
A good quote from TFA : "The library is daunting because I have to go there and everything is organized by academic area," Quaranta said. "I don't even know where to begin."
Re:1000 results for your query? (Score:1, Offtopic)
It's called the Associated Press. Welcome to the 20th century.
Re:1000 results for your query? (Score:2)
On the contrary (Score:5, Interesting)
When computers are fast enough and new algorithms are developed to really harness this power (I give it 10 years, give or take, for this to begin), computers will finally be able to at least have the semblance of understanding the body of knowledge rather than just syntactically sifting through it. This will give us another order of magnitude change comparable to the introduction of search technologies in the first place. Imagine being able to ask google "in one paragraph, summarize the most influential inventions of 2015". Not the most interesting or illuminating example, but you get the idea.
Re:On the contrary (Score:1)
google: my AI.
Re:On the contrary (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course. In the meantime, software will become more powerful but the human element will still be required. In the same way you work for the boss but the boss still decides what you have to do... It's an organizational problem where the most useful allocation of ressources is to have the guy (or the thingy) with the overall "vision of what to do" to have the power to control the process of whatever is to accomplished.
Now, most of the time it is humans that are in this position. Still, things are starting to change however. Look at Google's ad program where their system regulates and optimizes the bidding process. Another example, circulation lights control the flow of traffic. The tendancy is to ever improving ressource allocations. Systems already control our behavior, be them mechanistic, legal or whatever. You would be a bit late to start complaining about that. Or maybe you're an anarchist at heart but never realized it. But make no mistake, modern society is a big organizational construct and unless you're not part of it, you're controlled in some way. What I'm saying is that, by design, (for most of us anyway) someone or something always has the upper hand on us. We're never completely free. This won't change, the level of control probably won't change much even. What's enforcing some of the actual organizational forces may change to be more automatized, but the net effect on your quality of life will be no worst than nil.
Now, suppose that true AI is developed, what will it change for us? Unless the AI is sentient and aspires to higher things (Equality, Justice, Happiness even) it is no more than a part of the organizational construct. This means several things. First that its current position in the societal scheme of things evolved to the current situation and that things are at a relatively stable equilibrium. Second, that the AI has a purpose, is accepted by the rest of the construct and has proven reliable. This might be utopic on my parts, but anything without a minimum usefulness is quickly discarded. On the other hand, things and processes that exist today have evolved over time, over many generations, with improvement being made along the way. The integration of those things and processes is a kind of co-evolution where acceptance redefines and precises the needs we have toward that thing or process. I can't see how AI or Magic or God is going to change this anytime soon, or ever.
Wow, end of year rant
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Re:On the contrary (Score:2)
Imagine being able to ask google "in one paragraph, summarize the most influential inventions of 2015"
And get back a list of subjective results. This is the problem. All of the results to this, and the gazillions of queries like it, are subjective. Who should decided what the most influential inventions of 2015 are?
When the day comes that we're relying on a machine to tell us what the most influential invention or whatnot is I am definitely moving to my cave!!!
Humans are already experiencing a har
Re:On the contrary (Score:2)
new search technologies make it 1000 times faster to find what you want (approximately, of course)
Screw that, this is the digital age! I want *exact* approximations!
Re:On the contrary (Score:2)
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/04/just-facts
Knowledge extraction from the Web. Incredibly hard, but if anyone has the data and computational power to do it, Google does.
If Google can't find it... (Score:1, Interesting)
Like it or not, that statement is fast becoming reality. Adapt or die.
Re:If Google can't find it... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If Google can't find it... (Score:1)
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Re:If Google can't find it... (Score:1, Funny)
I am googleable and therefore i am
History (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:History (Score:2)
questions - a) the survivability of the record of knowledge and b) the ability to
recreate it. It seems now people are either extremely specialized (ie nano engrs.)
or so general as not to matter (think service economy workers/facilitators). Could
we really rebuild from a major calamity, or would much technology be lost? Luckily
there is a lot of redundancy in the system but I've always wondered if the
government doesn't
Re:History (Score:1)
What a stupid question (Score:2)
There has been more information known to humans collectively than a single human can grok for literally thousands of years. The web hasn't changed that in any significant way, except to make things easier since you can find the knowledge you want much easier now than before search engines and web ubiquity.
Overload? (Score:5, Funny)
Information overload? (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like a call for... (Score:2)
I, for one, have long coveted my own personal librarian.
Ever been to a library? (Score:3, Insightful)
And then there are other more complex/obscure fields of knowledge: medicine, physics, engineering, the occult, computers, magnets, plastics, metals, law, government, the list goes on. Overload or Lazy?
Required Reading (Score:4, Informative)
The vast number of factors necessary to fathomable answers to the questions..."Are we being overloaded by knowledge? Is the number of sources growing faster than we can keep up with them?", are such that they point out the flaws inherent in the questions asked.
Other issues with information overload (Score:4, Interesting)
I just started theorizing a short while back on the idea that American social/political conflicts stem partially from too much information being available; there are so many differing opinions available, and so little available criticism of each, that we find it difficult to analyze it properly. When you compound this with the inherit laziness of Americans in certain populaces (backwater hick towns, for example), a huge problem begins to rear it's head, and begets conflict.
It is great to have it so readily available to us, and that we are free to share our own, but breaking down the information in order to determine it's validity becomes an incredible chore due to the sheer amount of conflicting opinions.
Re:Other issues with information overload (Score:2)
I'm not excluding any social subculture :P People of all types fall victim to the same problem - However, in my area, I am surrounded by racist hicks with no ambition for life. Hence why I cited what I did - plus, it the most easily identifiable stereotype.
Yet another issue in the age of information - the chance of offending a reader, therefore negating any validity to your words in the reader's mind. Of course, this issue isn't exactly unique to modern times, now is it? :)
Knowledge overload/sensory overload (Score:5, Interesting)
I live in Tokyo these days, and one of the more striking differences between the cityscape here and the one in my home city in Australia is the sheer number of advertising signs, shills, lights, boards, posters, flags and projections. Oh, and ten times as many are illuminated as I'm used to.
Now while the point of all this advertising is supposed to be that it catches your eye, in this case it's having the opposite effect -- I just tune out. Not just the advertising either -- I mean literally what's going on around me.
When I first arrived in Tokyo I played well the part of the wide-eyed tourist. Little escaped my attention. But these days I'm more likely to just pop in the headphones of my MD player and scuttle along to work while trying hard to see as little as possible.
I'm not the only one. One of my co-workers, a lady from the U.S., and I were discussing this recently. She mentioned that these days, she notices much less of what she used to. "I stopped on the footpath yesterday and just looked around, and was surpised to see all this stuff that I've just been walking past everyday!"
Same thing applies to information on the internet or wherever it's located. Eventually you have to start filtering out the chaff. Problem is that often a lot of wheat goes with it.
Vote parent up, good story (Score:2)
Maybe the shops could sue for loss of customers because the billboards overload the people passing by so that they don't see the shops
Re:Knowledge overload/sensory overload (Score:2)
I live in Tokyo these days, and one of the more striking differences between the cityscape here and the one in my home city in Australia is the sheer number of advertising signs, shills, lights, boards, posters, flags and projections
That's pretty common for most big cities, you learn to tune it all out (of course, the marketing PhD's will try to convince you that you are actually being subtly persuaded by all this in order to justify their salaries).
There's never too much varied information (Score:2)
oh, please (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no such thing as information overload. All you have to do is narrow your search, or re-evaluate what you thought you were looking for. Because the tools are more powerful, they require more thought to use effectively. Not an astounding surprise there.
This affected concern over "information overload" is ridiculous. Accessibility is a good thing. Being able to sit in your home late at night, hours from a decent library, and search Jstor or similar online resources is an amazing advance over where we were 20 years ago. True, we didn't know there was so much information out there, and we have to learn to use more specific search terms. Big flipping deal. This is like saying electric lights have created new problems because now people are staying up later. I'm usually ambivalent about just about everything, but information accessibility is like Schindler's list - it's an absolute good.
Now, if you want to discuss government and business collecting/abusing personal information, then we can talk. I'm referring to literature, financial data, legislation, etc, not forbidden political views.
Summarizing debates (Score:1)
There is no such thing as information overload. All you have to do is narrow your search, or re-evaluate what you thought you were looking for. Because the tools are more powerful, they require more thought to use effectively. Not an astounding surprise there.
Suppose you're not looking for something narrow, but instead what a summary of the state of a debate on an issue, at a particular level of detail. The problem is that the strong points of each side of a debate are either (1), diffusely spread (ove
Re:Summarizing debates (Score:1)
What seems like weak and irrelevant points to one side will be considered cogent and insightful by the other. The discussion pages on Wikipedia are fascinating, because the way a
Re:Summarizing debates (Score:1)
True, but the truth and relevenency of a point is best tested when the point is isolated, and a rebutal printed directly alongside.
Re:oh, please (Score:2)
I've been responsible for troubleshooting Apple computers. One issue I encountered is ejecting a CD from a Mac Mini. It seems simple enough, but:
- The keyboard is not compatible with the MacMini (it's a Microsoft wireless keyboard.) Even if it was
Re:oh, please (Score:2)
But before the "information age", their addiction was self-limiting, because the newspaper only has NN pages and the TV news is only on NN hours a day (not counting r
Information overload (Score:1, Interesting)
Though the term "information overload" was coined, I believe, by Jan Noyes in her book, User Centred Design, this problem has been recognised for many years, most relevantly by Vannevar Bush [ibiblio.org] in his essay 'As We May Think [theatlantic.com]'.
A couple of posters have already mentioned that they use the Internet as an aid to long term memory (btw - short term memory is different to what many people think - it only last a few seconds. Problems recalling information (or not remembering something you dealt with in great detail a
Just remember.... (Score:3, Funny)
Schools (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at the number of chain letter emails in your spam folder that are filled with misinformation easily checked at Snopes [snopes.com]. Otherwise intelligent people pass on this crap without realizing they're polluting the information stream with fiction passed off as facts.
In the United States we need an education system that is actually oriented around giving children the ability to analyze information and make rational decisions. If you know how to swim, an ocean of information isn't very scary.
I find it very disturbing that people far younger than I, who have grown up in the Internet Age, often have no idea that the information they are absorbing is not all equally reliable. One of the first things I learned in school was that you can't believe everything you read. Perhaps we've forgotten how to teach that lesson, even though it is more important now than ever before.
The push is on to privatize schools and abandon the government's role in education. Market forces being what they are, I wouldn't be surprised if education conglomerates began to take over K-12 education. While privatization of education might not be a bad thing in other respects, something tells me large for-profit entities wouldn't be interested in pushing a curriculum that fosters healthy scepticism of marketing, mainstream media, and corporations.
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"throw more money at the problem" (Score:1)
Some people are visual learners, some people need extra one-on-one assistance, but the idea that each head full of mush acquires knowledge the same way is
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RSS Helps me (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe the article writer just needs to catch up to technology and get himself a good RSS reader.
Book Learnin' vs. Intraweb (Score:3, Interesting)
It occurred to me that my reading patterns have changed drastically in the last few years. I used to be a chain book reader. As soon as I was done with one, another would be on my night stand. Lately, I have been just reading magazines as I head for the pillow. I wondered why, and I realized that the way that I access information and put together knowledge has changed. While I still enjoy a good long book when I can find the time, a lot of what makes up my worldview is now assembled piecemeal, by patching together snippets of knowledge gleaned via message boards, articles, search engines, what have you - online. It may sound flaky, but I do believe that this method of learning does have some merit. Previously, I was entirely dependent on authors to guide my learning and point of view unchallenged through the form of the book. Now, when I am researching something - say, evolution - I can read in-depth articles in one tab of my browser, while in another, I keep an alternate point of view ready, and in a third, I keep search results for words that I need to look up.
It is a great boon to me to be so in charge of my education. However, the drawback is that I sometimes miss out on deep understanding that can only come from the long process of an extended narrative.
Back to good ol' Chuck!
Personally, I'm tired of information. (Score:3, Insightful)
I suppose my attitude is a huge part of it. I could be more positive about the information that I'm seeing on a regular basis, but since so little of it is positive news, it sure is tough to keep that attitude up.
Food Overload or Farming Lazy? (Score:4, Insightful)
How do you define information overload (Score:2)
Just a thought... (Score:2)
There less useful information, more laziness (Score:3, Insightful)
With a generation growing up expecting everything on the Internet
The Internet has ruined the world. Sure, it has the potential to bring GREAT things, and some great things have arisen from the use of the Internet (Google, Slashdot, cheap phone calls, rapid sharing of files and other information,etc).
The problem is that everyone has come to expect that it is some fundamental human right and requirement to be connected to the Internet. This means every man and his dog is out there putting their views on webpages, spouting off their views in forums (hey, i'm guilty of it... I'm here), giving incorrect advice on message boards, etc.
This information never goes away. It's not like a phone conversation or a book, where it will likely be destroyed. Search engines archive it, the wayback machine archives it, people archive it. There is not too much information, there is too much hot air on the Internet. It's getting hard to find things through all the advertising, the porn, the wank from people without a clue and the general junk.
I've been with the Interdoodle since the early 90s. That was really a good time. The Spam problem wasn't so much an issue - it was really just winding up. Search engines rapidly found what you wanted (as long as the search couldn't remotely be linked to porn) and there were generally less idiots on there because the Internet was mostly only available to university staff and large companies back then. The idea of personal Internet was still largely unheard of.
Now, with the widespread adoption of the Internet in schools, coffee shops, shopping malls, universities, businesses, etc, people are accustomed to always being connected. This means they can always "google it". I find that a lot of the problem is that kids are learning the search engine in school, and not the library. They are learning the word processor instead of the pen. They are learning the instant messenger instead of the postal service. They have come to expect to be able to find it online and they have come to trust any page that says what they want it to say without any verification at all.
This really is a case of Internet laziness rather than good old-fashioned people getting smarter. The Internet is probably stifling productivity and innovation becase people are spending too long looking to it for answers to even simple questions.
The solution lies in taking the Internet out of schools and encouraging students to go to the library and use resources like... $DIETY help us... books, teachers, peers, used car salesmen, etc. There are a lot of places people could look instead of the Internet.
Re:There less useful information, more laziness (Score:2)
thegrassyknowl, if you're trying for +5, Funny, you need to be less subtle ...
If I were trying for +5 funny I would have actually been funny. I am serious. Why do people insist on using the Internet to make large purchasses of things they know nothing about? If you want a used car, go to a car yard and talk to the salesman and drive it. Don't just expect to find it on carsales.com.au or ebay.
If you're buying a washing machine, or other appliance how can the Internet help you decide which is right f
Re:There less useful information, more laziness (Score:2)
God forbid technology should progress and old tools fall by the wayside as better ones become available.
The problem is that BETTER tools aren't available. The word processor is bloated and inefficient and requires access to computing facilities. How many of the current high school generation are capable of making legible notes in a book these days?
The computer tools are less efficient than the classical ones for many things. Preparing and typesetting a document is one thing you can use a computer for
Knowledge (Score:2)
Indexing indexing indexing (Score:3)
A good index allows one to narrow down one's search while also allowing serendipity. It allows one to state the same thing in multiple ways, while also informing the user of proper taxonomy. It is up to date and complete.
The only people who think there's too much information are the people who can't figure out how to access it efficiently, and get overwhelmed - people who fret over new tools, rather than embrace them.
Re:Indexing indexing indexing (Score:2)
"Future Schlock" (Score:2)
Not quite knowledge overload, but something less (Score:3, Interesting)
For example: the application/result of a mathmatical algorythim is valid only if it applies to a non-bull shit objective of the point of doing the calculation.
You can memorize all the calculations results but if you know/understand the core knowledge of mathmatics and the mathmatical elements relative to the subject of the calculation, you can calculate it if and when you need to know it. That's alot less knowledge to need to know.
Another example: Autocad (and this applies to other programs as well) provides many many user functions, but for a beginner to start being productive with it, there is the core set of functions (might be called short cuts or tips and tricks) the user can apply and get productive rather quickly.
Example can be given for many other areas of knowledge, including politics, religion, (things though verifiably mostly bull shit), etc..
Core knowledge, what it is, is the knowldge that allows calculating out valid information when you need to consider it. And it is always relative to life, specifically your life and the environment you live in.
Core knowledge is much tighter, integrated and to some degree self verifiable. Not to be confused with fabricated knowledge requiring self supported dependancies --- the logic of an addict for example.
The Bush administration lacks core knowledge and in all of its fabrication of justifying its faulty actions the complexity of knowledge has grown to be more than it or the NSA can keep straight.
So if the NSA can process such massive amounts of information, for terrorist threats, from internet communications to phone taps, etc...Then the article is not real, but bull shit itself, but if the NSA is looking for "how to do it" then the article is an "RFC"
And according to an ACLU mailout there is the "Faith in god" bush direction to try and get people to ignore the mess.
So what light does all this put the article this thread is about, in?
There is not a knowledge overload, there is a bullshit overload.
When was the last time you did a search on something thru the internet and found mostly links to unrelated stuff?
Core knowledge vs. bullshit overload.
WHAT IF: all that you may believe about the war on terrorism, Bush, Bin Laden (who has forgoten about him?), dot com boom and bust, Enron, Worldcom, world economic problems,etc..... What if this knowledge overload has a much simpler core knowledge.
A core knowledge that would have allowed you to accurately predict (no majic involved, just logic and simple mathmatics) all of it? Or even now enlighten you, reduce your knowledge overload on all of this?
Well there is!
Do a search on "Trillion Dollar bet" and read the transcript. Follow the money.
When you understand why Ted Turner said the attack on the WTC, Pentagon, White House was an act of despration, then you will know there really is not a war on terrorism, least not how you probably think. But rather a resistant against those who do others wrong.
When you understand this, then you too will see the solution and who is really guilty of terrorism (a fraction of a percent of the 6 billion population on this planet)...
To remove terrorism, stop doing others wrong and start doing others right...
http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/theme_a/mod0
CORE KNOWLEDGE --- its alot simpler and far from overload.
Access Remains the problem (Score:2)
In a true overload system they key is to make information easy to scan and discard when junk. Witness WebRSS [oreillynet.com]... a presentation style in the form of an rss reader. You have instant access to everything (in topic), it's quickly scannable & discardable, and you're left with
When cybernetics ramps up.. (Score:1)
At the moment, we all depend on our computers to search for data on the web, hence the question. But as we master quantum storage, I believe we will all have the ability to have all the info on the web surgically connected to our brains - thus we will 'know' all the info on the web. No more searching (well unless you count searching our own brains).
Me too... bad memory (Score:2)
I have a very high IQ but didn't always use to haev memory problems. It sort of started in the high school era.
At the age of 7 I was given a Commodore 64/128 as well and have grown up with computers all my life. I was on Prodigy and then the BBSs back in the day (early 90's), and one of the first people I know of my age to get on the Net. I am 23 now.
I hated high school mostly because my natural