

Microsoft in 2008 365
r.jimenezz writes "Over at Wired there's an entertaining article written by Gary Wolf. It purports to be a memo written by a 2008-Microsoft-employed Linus Torvalds to Bill, arguing against Steve Ballmer's desire to go back to the untenable OS monopoly proposition instead of the 'new order': Windows is now some sort of desktop environment on top of an open OS!"
I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:3, Funny)
Also surely this isn't a first post?
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:5, Interesting)
First, there's the free drinks. Every building has at least one Kitchen. In my building, on my floor alone, there are 2. On floors 2 and 3 there are 2 more kitchens each, for a total of 6 in the building. In each kitchen is the type of floor-standing refrigerator you'd see at the grocery store or a 7-11, the kind they keep soft drinks in. Well, much like the grocery store or 7-11, just about every soft drink you could want is in there. Every "Coke" and "Pepsi" variant, Root Beer, Nestea, Dr. Pepper, different juices (cranberry, grapefruit, grape, apple, orange, V8), skim/2%/whole/chocolate milk, a variety of Talking Rain, and so forth. Not to mention the 12 flavors of Tea and a similarly diverse variety of coffee. Are you powered by mountain dew? Your batteries will never run low at Microsoft.
Second, there's the hours. Want to come in at 10am? ok, come in at 10. Want to work the weekend? no prob, you've got 24 hour building access thanks to your security badge. When you get sick of sitting at your desk, you can walk down the hall to a fooseball or ping-pong table and take a breather. Or, if you're in a building with an atrium (like mine) you can go sit there and read for a while. They don't micro-manage you, they like assigning people tasks and then letting those people handle those tasks independently.
So I'm a perl wizard (I have a beard and a hat too!) and I can do things with perl that is beyond the comprehension of most of the people I work with. Which is absolutely fine, really, because it takes me about an hour to accomplish something that would take 4 hours for them to do by hand. I tell them it'll take two hours and I've still got an extra hour to read slashdot.
I've never once had somebody look over my shoulder, and I work in a cube farm. There's 40 cubes in this room, and they aren't even cubes so much as the partitioned desks you see in a call center. Nobody is walking up behind me to check in on me. I produce my deliverables and they show me their gratitude.
Now, the downsides... Nothing works, and that's OK. Or rather, when something doesn't work the way it SHOULD work, people just shrug it off and accept it. The internal network can at some times be as slow as a 56k modem, and that's OK. (I'm not making this up, I speed-tested it) When the tools crash persistently day after day? That's OK. There's a standard of established mediocrity within the company's internal tools that probably serves to reinforce their release of crappy products. This is pretty much the only downside really, and I could see Linus doing his fair share to alleviate this problem at least in the division in which he would be working.
A minor downside is the "independent work" thing I mentioned above. Sometimes tasks get subdivided to the point where you've got 4 people working on a one-man job and the only way to accomplish anything is to have all 4 of those people in the same room at the same time, which can be a daunting task to accomplish. But this is really quite trivial compared to the acceptance of mediocrity that seems to pervade the campus.
Mediocrity (Score:5, Insightful)
What makes you think that Linus would solve this problem? In all seriousness, look at the "stable" 2.6 kernel branch, and the attitude demonstrated by comments like "some kernels will be good, others will be bad... we'll find out which kernels are broken soon enough".
I'm not saying that Linus himself believes in such mediocrity; but it's a bit unreasonable to expect that he would improve things at Microsoft when Linux, under his "benevolent dictatoriship" is plagued by exactly the same problems.
Re:Mediocrity (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not sure I see that as accepting mediocrity. I see it as more a "relaxed" approach.
Microsoft has programmers to pay, shareholders to satisfy, and all sorts of other expenses that come with being a business and, despite being a near mono
Re:Mediocrity (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:2)
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, your capabilities are directly related to the way that you're dressed at that moment. If they wore business suits they would code so much better. Have you ever seen Superman do anything special when he's dressed like Clark Kent? Me neither. It's that suit that gives him all the power.
So good post.
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:3, Insightful)
With me, it's not so much what I wear or where I am but rather that I sort of mentally designate the place as somewhere to do work instead of play games or read slashdot.
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:2)
These were used by and far by the phone sales people, but since I consider myself a decent programmer (college job), I was always appalled that someone would write something like that and except credit for it.
Blake
Not Representative of MSFT (Score:4, Interesting)
The parent post is a superficial and completely unrepresentative perspective of Microsoft. The author seemed to be pandering to Slashdot preconceptions more than anything. In reality, Microsoft is an amazing company full of ridiculously intelligent CS folks i.e. top students from top CS programs. Whereas at many companies I've been exposed to, there are a couple smart people here and there and everyone else is just sleepwalking, Microsoft is almost entirely composed of smartest-guy-in-the-room types.
Some notes:
* This guy is a contractor. Contractors are generally not very well-respected at Microsoft. The quality people are full-time almost without exception.
* Almost no one at Microsoft works in a cubicle. Full-time employees have real offices with real doors that close so that you can concentrate.
* There is no "acceptance of mediocrity" at Microsoft. In fact, it is entirely the opposite. There is a culture of self-criticism and self-castigation throughout the company, especially in divisions like Office.
* The only times I observed the internal network to be "slow" was when the company was dogfooding an early release. If the network were really as slow as the author describes, people would not be able to get their work done.
* What internal tools are you referring to? RAID (the bug-tracking system) is pretty great overall and all of the business process management stuff was the best I've seen at any company.
I'll leave it at that.
Re:Not Representative of MSFT (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:2)
Oh, I dunno. I mean, personally, if billg were to offer me $1,000,000 per year (real money, not options
Of course, I'd watch my back, and be ready to jump ship on short notice. I'd be assuming that it was a PR ruse, to be scuttled at some time in the future. I'd be in it for the money, and on the off chance that I could pull
Re:I read this and found it to be terribly funny (Score:3, Insightful)
Windows has done drag-n-drop to writeable cds for years.
The $100 add-on might give you a few more options on formats etc., but to just stick some files on a cd, all you need is windows.
Winux or is it GNU/Winux ? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Long horn (Score:2, Informative)
to summarize (Score:2, Funny)
Bill Gates: "'Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!' I'm fucking sick and tired of it so i had to fire him and you were the best replacement i could find"
Linus needs to watch who he associates with. (Score:5, Funny)
This IS entertaining (Score:5, Insightful)
You never made me alter my goal, which was world domination for Linux. I'll never forget your line: "Come on, Linus, infect the mothership." I still believe that was the best recruiting pitch ever uttered. We both took a lot of criticism from our partisans, but look what we've accomplished.
Inflect the mothership? Just writing this makes me chuckle. Seems kind of creepy, and dare I say, 'borgish'. Oh well, I suppose getting co-opted by Mothership Microsoft had somehow warped the psuedo-Torvald's mind.
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:5, Funny)
Infect the mothership?
The article lost all credibility with me with the infect the mothership line. Everybody knows you need to use a Mac to infect the mothership [imdb.com].
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:2)
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:2)
Waaay out of context in fact. (Score:5, Interesting)
That's poking fun at the movie "Independence Day". The PowerBook that manages to establish an authenticated PPP session, get an IP address, transfer a virus to the alien host (pun intended), then REMOTELY EXECUTE IT.
Okay, yes, I'm a unix admin, mac user, network engineer, and the mere concept has my dying on the floor laughing as I watch the Classic environment do that.
Anyway, point is....I'm betting the author has watched that movie recently.
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:2)
Bumsex is a bad enough topic without Bill Gates or Linus Torvalds in the mix.
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:2)
Re:This IS entertaining (Score:3, Funny)
Another one from the "Duh!" file (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, so in the future they'll keep copying Apple. That's big news.
~Philly
Re:Another one from the "Duh!" file (Score:2)
Re:Another one from the "Duh!" file (Score:3, Insightful)
In contrast, the Windows NT kernel is of a high standard, althou
And also, (Score:3, Funny)
In that same memo, it describes how Microsoft will create a sticker that attaches to the outside of your case that uses nanotechnology to intensa-mobilize the electron particles in your motherchips to make your computer run 10-15% faster after several reboots.
Re:And also, (Score:2)
Sony-Disney-MS (Score:3, Funny)
Danger Will Robinson, Danger!!! That's a scary idea, what would you call a company that is MS, Sony, and Disney? Disonysoft? Microney? AOL Time Warner?
Re:Sony-Disney-MS (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sony-Disney-MS (Score:3, Funny)
That's "ApPixBayGoo" if you want to take on "SonDisSoft".
Re:Sony-Disney-MS (Score:2)
This is starting to sound like a kick-ass Science Fiction story... keep it up...
Re:Sony-Disney-MS (Score:2, Funny)
Money
Re:Sony-Disney-MS (Score:2)
If you don't get it, go play Escape Velocity [ambrosiasw.com].
The REAL Microsoft in 2008 (Score:5, Funny)
Trust me.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The REAL Microsoft in 2008 (Score:2)
I've been watching too many movies (Score:5, Funny)
You told me that if I ever hit a wall with Steve or his people, I should let you know.
Somehow, the image of Linus Torvalds grabbing Steve Ballmer and swinging him like a bat at a brick wall, Neo-vs.-Smith style.... It's a good thing I didn't have any soda in my mouth when I read that.
I was assimulated by Microsoft.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I was assimulated by Microsoft.. (Score:5, Funny)
Not completely, it seems. They forgot to install the spellchecker.
True. But the ass-emulator seems to be working fine!
Make a point (Score:3, Insightful)
[...]But Firefox taught people that you could replace pieces of the Windows desktop with open source software. That was a crack in the seamless facade.
Dear Bill (Score:2, Funny)
But what about Debian/NT? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:2)
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:2)
waste of time and effort. It would (at best) remain a niche-product. More likely the project would face legal threats from Microsoft.
And... by the way: SFU does not qualify as an OS.
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:2)
Check out debian-win32. It hasn't seem much action in years, but the concept isn't that new.
Unfortunately, win32 differs so much from posix that emulating the needed parts, although possible (mostly), makes programs work at an unacceptable speed. Win32 doesn't even have fork().
Re:But what about Debian/NT? (Score:4, Interesting)
The NT kernel was designed from the beginning to support different environments, including POSIX and Win32. Each environment subsystem consists of a server process that maintains common state specific to the environment, and a set of client libraries that translate the environment's API to the native API and calls to the server. Win32 is an environment subsystem and so is SFU.
For some reason, cygwin (which debian-win32 uses) insists on using only Win32, so they have to resort to kludges to make certain things like fork() work.
Now that SFU is free, I don't see why debian-win32 couldn't use that instead of cygwin.
As it stands, Interop Systems [interopsystems.com] has the best collection of packages for SFU. Most of the essential stuff is there, but it's still a far cry from Debian's library.
Microsoft 2000-whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
it's not exactly in line with this article ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, with their cash, they could probably also quickly be the world's largest X company for nearly any X
Microsoft has adopted to market changes before, and they will in the future. (And then, of course, one day they won't exist any more
timothy
Re:it's not exactly in line with this article ... (Score:2)
In my hypothetical future, Microsoft becomes a leading manufacturer of locomotives and aircraft engines, and is a major player in the finance industry. (kind of like GE)
Believable (Score:5, Insightful)
Alternatively, now that Oracle has bought Peoplesoft, Oracle is vulnerable. It hasn't the money left to resist an attack from Microsoft. With Microsoft wanting more of the server market, taking over companies dealing in high-end server software would be not only logical but consistant with Microsoft's tactics in the past.
A third possibility would be for Microsoft to buy part of the Internet backbone, or one of the suppliers of it. Juniper is growing in popularity but isn't so big as to be able to resist a buyout. Cisco's not been doing too great, recently, and may be vulnerable. Lucent would be easy pickings and may even welcome such a move.
Finally, Microsoft may opt for a "strategic partnership" with Boeing. Boeing is in the middle of a massive struggle with Airbus, and it's unlikely both can survive. If Boeing wants to win, it needs more money. Microsoft doubled its profits last quarter, even after allowing for the shareholder payout AND the record EU fine. Aircraft may soon have WIFI. If Microsoft can become the only vendor who can work with such WIFI points, they'd have absolute control of the business market.
Finally, Microsoft could buy a hard drive vendor. If the OS came pre-installed on the hard drive to OEMs, then fewer OEMs would be willing to install rival Operating Systems....
Memo to Wired (Score:2, Troll)
Isaac Asimov was the king of Science Fiction. Your attempt at the genre is pretty much just frightening and strange despite being somewhat comical.
Please go back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Regards,
Slashdot Community.
Re:Memo to Wired (Score:4, Funny)
Sounds like a pretty good idea to me... (Score:3, Insightful)
There are presently efforts to dump X11 in favor of a more hardware direct interface for graphics and such in order to provide more speed and flexibility. I don't know where those projects are now, but without a big backer of the idea, getting rid of X will never happen. As far as I can see, asside from some Microsoft-blessed system services, that's what I imagine WinX would be anyway. And to run proprietary code on top of a Linux kernel? I don't see any violations, legal or moral.
with as much work and progress that has been made over the years with KDE and GNOME projects, it would be far kinder to the users if there were a strong and unified user interface from which to run their applications. It freaks people out to change and learn new things. KDE and GNOME folks have done a lot of work to get their projects into the lime light but frankly, a large player like Microsoft could easily swoop in and make it all irrelevant. This may not be the case in a year or two but it feels like it is the case right now.
For the record, I'm very anti-microsoft. But it would be a mistake to fail to embrace them if they were to attempt something like WinX. (If they did, it'd probably be a BSD kernel though... worked for Apple didn't it?)
Re:Sounds like a pretty good idea to me... (Score:2, Insightful)
http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/desk
Re:Sounds like a pretty good idea to me... (Score:3, Interesting)
1 - Having an independant window manager, so that the application's frame is NOT under its own control. This wins you several things, including being able to move or iconify an App that is unresponsive.
2 - Remotability that is not an added afterthought. Remotability that is always there, and always usable.
3 - Picking and choosing your inte
Clearly a fraud (Score:2)
As long as we're playing fantasy land (Score:3, Funny)
From the office of: Jesus Christ
Date: 10.31.2008
To: Allah
From: Big J
Re: Will Mohammed kill Islam++?
In 2008 (Score:5, Funny)
In other news, RMS announces the imminent release of HURD. "I can feel it, any day now, " says RMS.
When asked about the new Winux, RMS suddenly issued blue smoke and sparks, muttering "Freedom, freedom, where is the freedom," before crashing to the floor.
Happy Halloween! (Score:5, Insightful)
THE REAL MEMO!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Well, we did the best we could. Everyone thought we were crazy when we decided to join forces. For awhile there, we thought that we might actually have a chance at coming out on top by teaming up.
We should have known that copying Apple again ( this time by turning to a 'nix based OS) wouldn't work. They had such a huge headstart on us and you can only copy your competitors so many times before consumers catch on to what you are doing.
I've got to hand it to Steve Jobs and the guys at Apple. In the end, quality did beat out price.
Linus
Sounds familiar... (Score:4, Interesting)
As sad as I am to say it, Cringley already fielded this one sometime in 2002 or 2003 I believe. He had a slightly insane theory that a proprietary Windows interface on top of a Linux kernel would be the best of both worlds.
I doubt it would ever happen but it would be definately interesting. Just think if Windows made the shift, there would no longer be ANY operating systems in active development that weren't based on UNIX in some way.
Is that a far-fetch dream or a reality slowly taking shape?
Re:Sounds familiar... (Score:3, Informative)
I mod thee (-1 Lame) Wired Magazine (Score:4, Funny)
Reality check - Steve vs. Linus (Score:2, Funny)
Back then, my revenge was to sneak up on Steve's Longtime friends and whisper in my best accent, "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." They hated that.
For some reason I think that conflict between Steve and Linus would go down like this:
Linus: "Steve, I just don't like your idea, honestly I think it -"
Steve: "You... don't like... my idea? *closing in on Linus*"
Linus: "Oh, come on... We are the Borg,
Doubt it! (Score:2)
I highly doubt there would be many developpers that would want to "work for Microsoft" or have their code used in their products. Hell, they'd probably even create and release code under a license that specifically forbade MS - and only MS - from using any of the code in MS products
Re:Doubt it! (Score:2)
Bob Resurrected (Score:3, Funny)
He took Enzyte, which gave him the courage to show his face on store shelves again.
Coincidence? You decide! Try Enzyte today!
Like OSX is really just Aqua on top of BSD? (Score:3, Funny)
But the words "snowballs chance in hell" come to mind.
That didn't sound like Linus (Score:2)
Scenarios (Score:2)
The name of the OS is GNU/Linux. OK, so MS could put Linux, the kernel, under the MS Windows interface and Win32 API -- but what would this buy them? Besides the huge headache of making it work (Win32 is hugely more complex than Carbon, né the Macintosh Toolbox, ever was), they would either compromise Linux or slow MS Windows, as they would loose all types of dirty tricks that get them performance at the cost of stability.
But this wouldn't be the worse. The
Linus never would have written this memo. (Score:3, Insightful)
Second, it isn't nearly as witty as Linus is; it doesn't have any of the insults-that-make-you-feel-like-thanking-Linus-fo
Third and most vital, Linus doesn't give a damn about any of the crap the author's writing about. He doesn't care about taking over the world or marketing. He is only interested in technology.
ps. (Score:4, Funny)
Post Scriptum
Bill, please, remember to feed Richard and let him out at least once a week! Last time I visited him in your dungeon, he had hardly enough strength to curse me for my betrayal. I know having him dead and all would make things much easier, you not getting bitten, me not being spit at, but for God's sake, RMS is the real father of the OS. I understand it's better like this, but it's sad to see him there. He IS a human being and deserves at least some respect, even if he doesn't behave like one. Keep your side of the contract and I'll keep bullshitting the EFF thugs that he keeps mailing me from central Australia on regular basis.
Re:ps. (Score:3, Insightful)
Linux aggregated around the kernel, it wasn't integrated into an existing system. The FSF tools were not the only options, nor in some cases were they even the best... though in the process of building Linux led to big improvements in many.
But... people had been writing the userland components for over a decade at that time, starting in the late '70s with the Software Tools Virtual OS. There were two
Microsoft Linux (Score:3, Funny)
Microsoft Linux 2008
Compatible with open source, stolen and borrowed code. We own it, and invented the Internet and Linux. Buy a copy now and Open MS-Office (closed source with virus hooks and back doors built in) available now for a full featued desktop.
Even the EULA has improved, it is now twice as long, more complex and has been made into a 2 hour video.
Can now be backed up with the included MS-cpio. For corparate customers, secure file copy and encrypted interactive terminal sessions do not cost extra and are included with the MS-SSH package. You can also distribute these files around the clock using the reliable MS-RSync package.
For you personal protection there is MS-IPF firewall that protect not only what tries to get in, but also watches what goes out.
Corporations can easily prevent users from loading spyware, P2P, virus and other malware.
Comes with IE-Firefox, a new nify browser with less chance of being bothered by rude sites popups and viruses. We have customized it with new and improved annoyances.
Comes with a new reliable job scheduler called MS-cron. Never have to worry about setting the time as it uses MS-ntp for reliable and ultra accurate time settings.
For developers, MS-perl, MS-java, MS-C/C++, tcl, wish, php, MS-apache, MSksh, SHsh, MSawk, MSmysql MSprogress and MSsccs/rcs all await your pleasure and are included with the OS at no extra charge. Will save your company thousands
You can run your own servers with the optional included package of MS-imap, MS-sendmail, MS-DNS, MS-apache, MS-php and others, all Writen to Micosoft standards. Our developers have made sure buffer overflows and back doors exist for the NSA for legal compliance. Source is not provided so it is maintenace free.
The system can natively run open source. Although it is advised not to do so as it voids your warenty. See EULA line item 104786.
Comes with a real VM so when the boss comes by you can swap desktops quickly and reliably.
Get you MS-Linux for an introductory price of $999 *Which is less than Windows 2003 or 2005!
You are no longer bound to expensive Intel P5 chips. Runs on the Dragon 2008, systems usually start at $180 for a 3GHz quad processor.
Includes MS-OpenVPN to connect to work or your companys MS-Linux gateway. No extra charge. But will not work with Cisco.
Includes a threaded news reader to coordinate the threads of messages in the shared folders. No more will you need to search for related messages from 3 months ago.
But hurry, these prices will not last!
Re:far away ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:OK (Microsoft/Linus pr0n??) (Score:5, Funny)
Can it get any more horny than this?
I've heard of some sick fetishes (I do have access to the Internet, after all), but you take the cake, my friend!
Re:OK (Microsoft/Linus pr0n??) (Score:2)
Re:OK (Microsoft/Linus pr0n??) (Score:2)
For the record, though, Linus/Bill doesn't have the same snark quality.
Re:Old News for Nerds (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Go back to coding! (Score:3, Funny)
It's called "free time". Envious?
Re:Go back to coding! (Score:4, Insightful)
Creative writing is interesting and the thoughts behind the piece were definitly thought provoking.
Re:BULL!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
two choices: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:two choices: (Score:2)
Re:BULL!!! (Score:2)
P: I do care what OS is beneath the surface. There are many good and bad ways to implement different things. The OS has to deal with this more than a user. A user can somewhat tell if the implementation has an issue with speed. Not only are security and reliability and issue, but much more.
Yeah, but in general users don't care about the internals of an OS, as long as it works. One of the nice things (I think) about unixy OS's right no
Re:Wha...? (Score:3, Funny)
2.) William Gates III in ascii code sums up to 666.
3.) M$ commercials of "where do you want to go today" actually plays some song in the background where certain tones match satanic worshipping.
Seriously if M$ became opensource, it wouldn't be any more crazy than any of the above.
Re:Wha...? (Score:3, Insightful)
Closed desktop on top of open OS may not be as far fetched as you'd think. Apple has done exactly that with OSX and not like MS never stole ideas from Apple (which is not specific to MS either)....
-Em
Re:Wha...? (Score:3, Insightful)
The problem with Windows isn't the OS (i.e. the kernel-mode modules), it's the Win32 API, which was designed in a rush in the early 1990s, when Microsoft fell out with IBM and dumped the OS/2 API (which was pretty bad too). In addition to having been designed in a rush, Win32 was made similar to Win1
Interesting thing is... (Score:2)
Re:Interesting thing is... (Score:5, Insightful)
As an old OS2 user, I find Windows in every incarnation to just be a stunted imitation of the WPS, which was a truly awesome GUI still light years ahead of XP. I don't see anything particularly innovative or easy about the Windows XP interface. I deal with a lot of plain users, and half of them panic a little when you ask them "Now please press the Start button".
Most of the time their more-knowledgeable son/daughter/brother/friend/neighbor puts icons to Internet Exploder and Outlook Distress, along with the photo software and Solitaire on the desktop and people never look one bit further.
The only place where Windows has something of an edge is in software installation, and the problem there is that there's a number of different systems depending on distro. I mainly use Slackware, but when I played with Mandrake, it's package GUI installation system was every bit as easy as Windows XP.
So I can't really understand what people mean when they say "Windows is easier to use". I mean, what parts of Windows does the average user plug into on anything approaching a regular basis that's more involved than double-clicking on the program.
I'll place a bet that if you put a Linux box running KDE with Firefox and Thunderbird on the desktop as Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, many users will probably be just fine. It's the product recognition thing that gets most users.
Re:Interesting thing is... (Score:3, Interesting)
I used to use slackware, and was all for compiling software by hand, then i installed gentoo and its package management system is amazing (far, far better than windows) - it even has a gui (porthole) which my gf uses to install/upgrade stuff.
I loved slackware, but i could never use it again on my desktop.
Re:Interesting thing is... (Score:3, Insightful)
> little tool maker (let's say a shareware tool that
> helps them oraganize a shopping list), they can
> click once to download the tool and another click
> to install it and they're done. It isn't like that
> with Linux (no matter what distro) and it never
> will be until it achieves a critical mass on the
> desktop which won't be anytime soon.
Except that this has been part of the problem with Windows. It's just simply too easy to insta
Re:Wired Stories (Score:2)
Re:I named my orange cat Linus... (Score:2)