

An FM Broadcast Transmitter For Your Home 417
Bruce Perens writes "I wanted to be able to listen to net audio and my ham station around the house and yard. Those iPod FM transmitters don't have enough range. So, I bought a digital controlled, 100 miliwatt transmitter that covered my whole block the first time I plugged it into what was, until then, a recieving antenna."
wow (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:wow (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a dedicated headless machine on my LAN running WWWinamp (http://www.nullsoft.com/free/wwwinamp/)playing from my MP3 server, and the output from the soundcard goes into my transmitter. I can queue up music from any web browser on my LAN, and hear it all over the house (unlike a tethered PC system).
Plus, everyone that comes to my LAN parties (~24 people) like the ability to have the "Electronic DJ" take requests
Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that Sells. (Score:4, Informative)
I am not plugging EITHER of those transmitters, because I'm not USING either of those transmitters.
I AM plugging the utility of having an FM transmitter in the home, because I'm doing it and it is truly useful... I rate it as highly as a fileserver or my wireless link.
Keep in mind, too, that not all transmitters have good quality sound. I'd be leery of the cheap ones.
Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that Sells. (Score:3, Informative)
It works with Linux [pdagadgets.co.uk]. Doesn't everything [desktoplinux.com], these days?
Re:wow (Score:3, Informative)
AFAIK these limits are per the FCC, not technical limits. You should be able to hit a data rate of 50% of the carrier frequency under perfect conditions. So, 100MHz would theortetically give you 50Mbps. But whether or not you could successfully demodulate that more than a few inches from the transmitter without pumping lots of
Re:wow (Score:5, Funny)
Rod: How did you get on the radio?
Bart: Whaddya mean, how did I get on the radio? I created the universe!
Stupid kid.
Todd+Rod: [fall to their knees and clasp their hands]
Todd: Forgive my brother. We believe you.
Bart: Talk is cheap. Perhaps I'll test a guy's faith. Walk through the wall! I will remove it for you.
Rod: [walks into the wall] [thud]
Bart: Ha ha ha.
Todd+Rod: [return to their knees in prayer]
Todd: What do you want from us?
Bart: I got a job for you. Bring forth all the cookies from your kitchen and leave them on the Simpsons' porch.
Rod: But those cookies belong to our parents.
Bart: Ugh! Look, do you want a happy God or a vengeful God?
Todd: [quickly] Happy God.
Bart: Then quit flapping your lip and make with the cookies!
Todd+Rod: Yes, sir!
Re:wow (Score:4, Funny)
Can you hear me now?
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Here, we cannot have a personal transmitter that works over the normal FM radio band, which is why we have special transmitter/reciever combos that work on the 2.4Ghz band instead (plays major havoc with Bluetooth and WiFi)
So we are safe... for now...
Re:wow (Score:2)
Re:wow (Score:2)
You with the sneakers! Out of the pool!
Off our meds today, are we?
I have my weekly therapy session tomorrow - I'll be all right.
Not sure about you, though.
Easy to get (Score:5, Informative)
They usually have an electret microphone, but it wouldn't be very hard to modify one to take a line-level source.
Re:Easy to get (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy to get (Score:2)
I've never built that one, although I managed to fuck up another one...however, it still has a use: jamming tv
Re:Easy to get (Score:4, Informative)
You might want to look at the specs before you buy one. Check the distortion and channel separation numbers. Is it even stereo? (Many of the cheaper kits are mono. A single electret mic is a clue, here.) Is it PLL controlled or will the output frequency drift all over the place?
I built the MPX96 [northcountryradio.com] and I've been happy with it for about two years.
The range is about 200 feet (1/2 mile with a longer antenna - oops!) and the sound quality is "good" - that's somewhere between "fair" and "great".
Re:Easy to get (Score:2)
Re:Easy to get (Score:2)
It's easy to do 1.5 turns. Imagine a piece of wire sticking up vertically. Wrap it around a thin rod like the chuck end of a drill bit exactly once - the wire is still sticking straight up. Bend it round some more so the wire is pointing down and both ends can be soldered to the board - 1.5 turns.
Correction to article.. (Score:2, Funny)
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Slashvertisement (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Slashvertisement (Score:5, Informative)
Bruce
Re:Slashvertisement (Score:3, Informative)
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt - and could just toss this off as a troll.
I have a weblog called Technocrat.net and write reviews of stuff that I've bought on that weblog. The review before this was a flashlight [technocrat.net]. I would like to get traffic on my weblog, but that's all I get out of this.
For a living, I do consulting for $300/hour, which beats the heck out of anything I could make by hawking flashlights on slashdot.
Bruce
My local electronics store... (Score:5, Interesting)
interesting way of sharing music - your own mini radio station
Re:My local electronics store... (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, anyone who is looking for FM transmitters, they have a few models, one of whch has up to 2km range (apparently...I haven't built one). You will have to modify it to take line level input though, they use an electret microphone.
And also: they have very cheap peltiers.
I don't know how good they are though, can anyone who has bought one give me an idea of the quality?
Re:My local electronics store... (Score:2)
Sounds like a pretty cool thing to have around campus, though I suppose there'd be times a queue would build up and you'd have to wait an age for your choice..
this sounds nice, but what happens (Score:5, Interesting)
Is there some sort of auto free-carrier slot detection? because if there isn't, it will be nigh-on impossible to listen to the radio without interference.
The fm-band is pretty full already
I'd be pretty miffed if i could not receive my favorite radio stations anymore because some people near me like to listen to deutche schlager zangers or techno.
Re:this sounds nice, but what happens (Score:2)
I'm in absolute agreement over Deutsche Shlaeger Zangers though.
Re:this sounds nice, but what happens (Score:3, Informative)
Re:this sounds nice, but what happens (Score:2)
Come on people (Score:4, Funny)
Or... (Score:3, Funny)
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Station Content (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Station Content (Score:2, Informative)
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Receiver? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Pirate radio (Score:4, Insightful)
In short, you will be very lucky if you get away with this for long.
Re:Pirate radio (Score:5, Informative)
Program restrictions are not relevant for my purposes, which are not broadcasting. Those who want to open a broadcast station for their own neighborhood can potentially run into them.
Bruce
That's absurd. Who are you trying to fool? (Score:4, Interesting)
If you wish to assert that FCC sends the hostage recovery team to prosecute teenagers for out-of-spec transmitters that interfere with private microwave links and sends their moms to jail for 5 years, you will have to show:
Bruce
OK, I'm out of date (Score:2)
Re:OK, I'm out of date (Score:2)
It would be great if we all did it, wouldn't it? How much of the VHF broadcast band do you think you'd be able to receive then? All you'd get driving down a populated street would be one "home radio" after the next. I don't know about you, b
Re:OK, I'm out of date (Score:4, Informative)
Bruce
Re:OK, I'm out of date (Score:3, Insightful)
Point taken on the bandwidth, the power being spread between the components of the sidebands. You also make a good point on
Re:OK, I'm out of date (Score:3, Informative)
Bruce
Harmonics and aviation bands (Score:5, Interesting)
Here in Israel there are a number of pirate radio stations. This is not itself a problem but they are using poor equipment and blasting harmonics onto aviation frequencies. That is bad. It has gotten to the point where the ATC folks have threatened to strike if something is not done about it because it can threaten aircraft communications.
Re:Harmonics and aviation bands (Score:2)
Re:Harmonics and aviation bands (Score:2)
It didn't help that one of the Members of our Parlament from a party that runs many of these stations was sugesting that they should broadcast from the Knesset offices so that they won't be shut down.
100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:5, Informative)
For most of the unlicensed stuff that translates to roughly 10 to 20 mw. This is governed by part 15 of the FCC code and you can read even more about it at http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lowpwr.html#PART [fcc.gov].
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:2)
I got all excited there for a second with visions of covering downtown with some good, commercial free music. 100mw and a short feed to a good antenna on the roof of my building would have done the trick for many blocks around me.
I looked into a 'real' low power FM setup and it seems you have to be a 501C3 religious or educational organization, can't use directional antennas, can't look funny at people on the street, can't name your cat Morris, have to blow the FCC OO, and that was just the rules for t
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:2)
You can own up to six part fifteen transmitters by fcc rules. What some people are doing is using multiple transmitters fed with the same audio signal.
I'm surprised that slashdotters aren't very aware of the issues of micropower broadcasting as i
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:2)
Hey Dad, is that you?
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:4, Informative)
Bruce
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:100mw is NOT what's allowed by law. (Score:2)
Now, frankly, I don't think the fcc is going to get TOO uptight if you are using it in a responsible fashion and are reasonably close to the legal limit.
However, the larger point here is that people buying transmitters from ebay OUGHT to be doing some research before putting them on the
I'd like the 2 watt version (Score:5, Funny)
While driving the tractor about 60 hours a week throughout the summer, I had my choice of precisely two stations. One was country and western and the other covered things like little league baseball games and the farm reports.
There still would have been a problem -- I didn't have anything at home that would have been worth broadcasting. After all, attaching a microphone and listening to the dogs barking occasionally would have gotten old real quick.
Re:I'd like the 2 watt version (Score:2)
Re:I'd like the 2 watt version (Score:2)
Convoy! (Score:3, Funny)
A few questions for those knowledgable about radio (Score:2)
1. What kind of range could I expect from this combination? I have 15 acres and would love to have my entire MP3 playlist running rather than just my favorite 512MB from my flash-based player while I mow the lawn.
2. With it cranked up to maximum power, would I be likely to recieve a visit from the FCC? I'm about 25 miles from the nearest city and there are very few radio stations that come in out here, so I'm not likely to step on someone else's freque
Re:A few questions for those knowledgable about ra (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A few questions for those knowledgable about ra (Score:2)
Using two watts might just net your a visit.
Re:A few questions for those knowledgable about ra (Score:4, Informative)
2. Yes, particularly if the antenna is high up and your signal gets into the city, or if your transmission annoys anybody for any reason.
3. $10,000 a day fines and your equipment (and possibly other nasty things I don't know about!)
Re:A few questions for those knowledgable about ra (Score:2)
Which kind of ties in to point (2). "If you build it, they will come." The point isn't that no-one else happens to be using the frequencies, the point is that you're using a regulated resource (EM bandwidth) and if one person gets away with it then everyone will have a go.
Pricey (Score:3, Informative)
There's plenty of circuit designs at ePanorama [epanorama.net] that are relatively simple and powerful. DIY; save your money and your honor.
Cheaper, legal alternative at CCrance (Score:2, Informative)
It works great and covers the entire house. It's cheaper than the original post and includes a case and power supply (problems that the original poster had with the ebay one).
Beware of cheap FM transmitters (Score:5, Informative)
Ultra cheap FM transmitters use a tuned tank circuit to control frequency (ie - a variable capacitor). These are very difficult to get to the exact center of the frequency you choose, the result will more than likely be poor audio response.
Furthermore, your receiver is probably digitally controlled to an exact FM frequency and the variable cap system will change frequency slightly with temperature and humidity, so that the transmitter will slowly go in and out of channel. The receiver is phase locked to the correct channel, and the result is that the system will gain and lose quality over time. Digitally controlled frequency is a must for this application.
Kit systems are usually poor at doing audio; making a noise-free circuit is somewhat of a black art and it takes a lot of research and tinkering to get it right. For example, Ramsey Electronics makes an FM transmitter kit with digital frequency control and all that. The problem is that the board layout introduces an unacceptablt amount of hiss into the audio signal. No amount of adjustment will fix this, and the average hobbyist is unprepared to even figure out what the problem is.
Finally, Be very careful of high end ($300) transmitters used for gyms. Some of them are mono only (!) but do not specify this on the advert.
Your best bet is to look on the net for reviews of any transmitter you're thinking of buying. When people have good things to say and don't point out the obvious flaws, then the product might be OK.
I purchased several poor FM transmitters before I got one that worked well, and I use it for transmitting FM throughout the house.
That would be the C.Crane FM transmitter. You can get it for about $80, and Froogle lists several vendors.
Re:Beware of cheap FM transmitters (Score:3, Interesting)
That is, F is a consonant, but if one were to spell the letter it as it sounds it would be something like eff which begins with a vowel. Hence, the more natural sounding "An FM transm....."
Yes, no, maybe?
anyone?
Somebody didn't read the FCC regs (Score:4, Informative)
source:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lowpwr.html [fcc.gov]
see also:
http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology
Bottom line:
The transmitter described is not even close to complying with FCC regs. FCC compliance depends not only on transmitter power, but also on antenna gain and several other factors. You cannot simply say "X milliwatts is safe". Not only that, but 100mW into almost any antenna is going to be a violation. Something in the range of 1mW into an omni antenna would be more like it.
This seems to be asking for trouble (Score:4, Insightful)
From what I can tell anyone can setup a Carrier Current station(check for yourself), you can find some pretty cheap kits [northcountryradio.com].
This guy doesn't seem to be all there, he says he has a HAM licence, but is stupidly violating FCC laws. He also says the thing has a BNC type connector but the picture looks like a type RG6 connector.
Re:This seems to be asking for trouble (Score:4, Informative)
Low power broadcasting is legal under FCC part 15 as long as you stay under radiated power limits that they set.
Bruce
FCC Approval (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:FCC Approval (Score:2)
The issue ISN'T the fcc approval. The issue is the misundertanding of the part 15 emmisision requirements for the FM broadcast band. 300mw is not allowed, neither (in most cases) is 100mw.
The issue of fcc approval is ONLY an issue if you intend to obtain an fcc low power broadcast license which is not available to
In Europe these would be illegal. (Score:4, Informative)
Shamefull, really... (Score:2)
In other news, frequencies for radio-transmitters in the FM-range where auctioned last year for a few billion euro's. In the end, it's all a money thing.
User-controlled audio stations (Score:4, Interesting)
The only problem I could see is keeping each broadcast node in sync, especially if you're all broadcasting on the same frequency.
Thats people power for you.
Questionable quality (Score:2)
Amazing prices (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder why (1) they are no longer for sale at all in the Netherlands (Velleman kit), and (2) why the alternatives cost over ten times that much, and provide less than a fraction of the output.
Bruce, meet the jackbooted thugs. Thugs, Bruce. (Score:2, Informative)
To comply with the unlicensed rules, you need to turn that thing down by a couple orders of magnitude. The lower limit isn't actually in watts, it's actually something like 85uv @ 3 meters. I don't recall exactly, but it's not my ass on the line here... go read the rules before yous gets busted. :-)
To comply with the licensed rules (you said you don't wanna lose your ham license), you need to start broadcasting your call sign peri
Re:Bruce, meet the jackbooted thugs. Thugs, Bruce. (Score:2)
1) As I have ALREADY stated, it's 250uv/meter at three meters.
2) Licensed hams, like everybody else, can use part 15 rules to transmit if desired. Further, since there is no such thing as part 97 (ham radio) transmission in the FM broadcast band there is NO need to transmit one's license or restrict themselves from playing music.
getting busted and pirate radio (Score:2, Interesting)
Great for parties! (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Switch on machine with mp3 store
2. Create vast randomised playlist
3. Switch on the transmitter
4. Switch on every radio in the house
5. Open case of beer / chosen drink
6. Party party party!
And voila, synchronised music in every room that wants it.
One issue though is that we have to drop the output power of the transmitter to avoid interfering with anyone else's radio - here in the UK they don't take too kindly to that.
It amazes me... (Score:3, Interesting)
But when the topic is FM transmitter, suddenly everyone comes out of the wood work and posts about the illegality of the situation.
Let's set the record straight. The FCC will shut down your station, if and only if, a broadcaster complains. And because anyone smart enough to set up their own FM transmitter is smart enough to choose a frequency not already occupied by a local station, the FCC will never shut them down. Never.
I know a group of people who run a pirate station which transmits over 20 miles and have run it since the early 90s. At one time the FCC got a complaint from a local station, the FCC investigated, found it didn't really interfere, and so it did nothing.
Cool (Score:4, Insightful)
So, since the thing was so useless I was out thirty five bucks anyway, I took it apart. The antenna turned out to be a length of wire about two inches long stuffed into the same cable used for the audio jack. Obviously, this was nearly worthless. I drilled a small hole in the case and soldered in a piece of wire the right length for a half wavelength antenna -- a little less than 63 inches for the low end of the FM band. As a result, I can now broadcast all over my house.
Now, since I was using it in a car, a five foot piece of wire was a bit unweildy, so I wound it around a pencil to make a loopstick antenna. I don't know anything about designing loopsticks, but it still worked OK for broadcasting around the house. Basically, I'd guess just about any length of wire a few feet long would work way better than the tiny length of wire they were using.
The only remaining issue is that the volume is very low; you have to jack up the volume on your receiver nearly all the way to get acceptable listening levels. If you're planning on driving around town with your windows down so your car's subwoofers won't blow them out, this is not for you. Also, the sound is a bit muddy. I suspect that in order to avoid any FCC issues, they took a number of steps: using a low transmit power, using a worthless antenna, filtering out the high end audio frequencies, and undermodulating the signal. I could probably desolder and replace some resistors and capactitors or something if I were motivated enough to analyze the circuit. Plus, as an old fogie I'd have to learn to deal with surface mounting (I learned to solder on bakelite terminal strips for chrissakes). Altogether this is too much trouble.
I'd recommend that if you bought one of these consumer MP3 transmitters and found it totally worthless, then you should replace the antenna with any old piece of wire and it will gain enough range to be some use to you. If you haven't bought one yet, don't. Getting a device like this guy is using would be a bit more expensive but probably a lot more satisfactory.
Re:FCC finding out? (Score:2)
Re:FCC finding out? (Score:5, Interesting)
I was currious too so I did a rough google search [google.com], but not interested enough to refine it.
I did however, run across an entertaining article by a pirate radio guy [urb.com]. As a bit of CYA, I whole-heartedly do not recommend breaking the law nor would I suggest taking the article as "truth". It's just fun to read - on to the excerpts:
... Having been visited twice before by the FCC, veteran broadcaster Monk briefed us on what the risks were and how we should handle a visit (see below). We were prepared.
Nonetheless, the FCC visit I experienced was bizarre. I woke up to find two strange men in suits and a uniformed cop in my front yard.
Re:I bought an iPod (Score:2)
Didn't think so.
Re:I bought an iPod (Score:3, Insightful)
Its one of those BS arguments you hear all the time about morse code.... Its like saying that they are less technically savvy since they don't even have to be able to speak spanish anymore.
I do agree with you on the technical exam however, I think it is e.g. a good thing to require a HAM to be able to explain WHY morse code is a good mode.
Jeroen
Re:I bought an iPod (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't think it does, but removing the morse requirement would tend to make HAM similar to CB radio in some people's eyes.
Incidentally, I had to fight the temptation to try and answer in morse...
"I think it is e.g. a good thing to require a HAM to be able to explain WHY morse code is a good mode."
And not actually know morse?
Re:Don't Let Howard or Janet come over. (Score:5, Informative)
what he is doing is already in violation of the FCC rules. 100 miliwatts is the maximum allowed into the antenna provided in the kit. hooking it up to a gain antenna is illegal as he now went past the 100mw ERP.
all it will take is one phone call by a pseron that does not like him to get the FCC and a 10,000.00US fine on his arse.
Unlicensed operation on the AM and FM radio broadcast bands is permitted for some extremely low powered devices covered under Part 15 of the FCC's rules. On FM frequencies, these devices are limited to an effective service range of approximately 200 feet (61 meters). See 47 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Section 15.239, and the July 24, 1991 Public Notice. On the AM broadcast band, these devices are limited to an effective service range of approximately 200 feet (61 meters). See 47 CFR Sections 15.207, 15.209, 15.219, and 15.221. These devices must accept any interference caused by any other operation, which may further limit the effective service range. For more information on Part 15 devices, please see OET Bulletin No. 63 ("Understanding the FCC Regulations for Low-Power, Non-Licensed Transmitters"). Questions not answered by this Bulletin can be directed to the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology, Customer Service Branch, at the Columbia, Maryland office, phone (301) - 362 - 3000, e-mail LabHelp@fcc.gov.
PENALTIES FOR OPERATION WITHOUT A PERMIT OR LICENSE
The Commission considers unauthorized broadcast operation to be a serious matter. Presently, the maximum penalty for operating an unlicensed or "pirate" broadcast station (one which is not permitted under Part 15 or is not a Carrier Current Station) is set at $10,000 for a single violation or a single day of operation, up to a total maximum amount of $75,000. Adjustments may be made upwards or downwards depending on the circumstances involved. Equipment used for an unauthorized operation may also be confiscated. There are also criminal penalties (fine and/or imprisonment) for "willfully and knowingly" operating a radio station without a license. DON'T DO IT!
He also far exceeds the distance limit set by the FCC.
Nice way to publically admit you are violating FCC rules.
Re:Don't Let Howard or Janet come over. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Don't Let Howard or Janet come over. (Score:3, Informative)
Roy Neset's Tioga, N.D., farm isn't quite in the middle of nowhere, but it's close. Neset wanted to listen to talk radio while cultivating his fields on his tractor. But the only radio station in the area plays country music and refused to change its programming.
So Neset bought a low-power radio transmitter, got written permission from a Colorado station to carry its signal and began transmitting that station via satellite. Neset's station extends only about five miles in each directi
Re:Don't Let Howard or Janet come over. (Score:3, Insightful)
A ham radio license gives you no special rights outside of the ham bands. (And yes, I have one too.) Last I checked, the FM broadcast band (88-108 mHz) is outside the ham bands.
even if he were using the ham bands, it's illegal to broadcast music over them, unless it happens to be incidental music from a rebroadcast from the Space Shuttle (yes, the regulat