ICANN Plans to Charge Fees to .net Domain Owners 388
museumpeace writes "ICANN, though it was soundly rebuffed for trying this in the past, is
reported by CNET to be planning a $.75/ year fee to holders of .net domains and will look at fees for other TLD's next year. Is this taxation without representation? And where would this trend stop?"
It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Insightful)
It wouldn't stop. Not until ICANN became less of an independant organization and more of an elected body.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Funny)
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How many
And being that the
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Content in signature (Score:3, Informative)
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Build an internet incorruptible by corps and goverments.
Metanet [wikipedia.org]
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Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Interesting)
To start such a revolution you'd need to get most popular websites to sign-on to the alternate root. Everything from Google to MSN would have to have an alt root address. I'd suggest working out a system by which companies could have their own tld - that might be enough to get many of them interested. If search.google and mail.google could be valid names it might be of interest. If it was a democratic system where domain owners could vote on the admitance of new tld's and various other issues it might solve some of this ICANN abuse. It'd be nice to have a governing body that'd actually do something about domain squatting. Some non-profit free tld's would be nice too.
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So, it could work, but the new root would have to have a policy of not accepting new tld's of the ICANN root if they clashed with an existing alt root and eventually would want to replace the current ICANN tld's or possibly, if the ICANN became willing, let the ICANN join the new root and then vote
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Interesting)
You mean kind of like the United States government? Yeah, those folks did a great job at representing the interests of its constituents. And in "Internet Time" it would only take a few weeks before the Internet was owned, operated, and taxed by corporate lobbyists.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Insightful)
The danger of making them an elected body is with that mandate comes power. Right now the Internet is basically unregulated. There are certain conventions followed, and certain preferred root nameservers which the vast majority use, but there are basically no rules governing the use of the Internet. This has been a good thing. How many other technologies have transformed the world as rapidly as the Internet has?
If we start building a political structure into the Internet, we will start to have laws and bureaucrats and innovation will suffer. Just look at just about any other areas where government has gotten involved. Soon we'll need licenses just to use the Internet.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Insightful)
Firearms?
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Interesting)
The electric light
The telephone
The jetliner
The internal combustion engine
I'd say any of those had had a MUCH more profound impact on most peoples lives then the internet has.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Funny)
Aside from Indoor plumbing, The electric light, The telephone, The jetliner, and The internal combustion engine, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Funny)
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I agree that the internet has changed society more than any other developemnt has in such a short period of time. However, I think these other things have far more of an effect on your lives than you realize.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:4, Insightful)
The indirect direct consequences of flight are FAR more significant, though. If ship a lot of packages, you can see how commercial flight has seriously affected your life. Perhaps people you know were only able to visit you because of commercial airlines. Diseases you may have caught, were probably spread much quicker, due to airlines... The changing face of war was affected dramatically by flight. There are many many more examples.
If we're going by that metric, clearly, the DMV was the most important invention EVER.
But there is much more to indoor plumbing than your toilet. Just think about how much your life would be affected when you needed to take a bath in the middle of winter...
You might think so, but when there are no more trucks to deliver your food, your mail, medical supplies, etc., your life will be significantly impacted.
On the contrary. It would be entirely possible for computers to have developed displays without back-lighting. Black and White LCDs are exactly that... Your digital watch would be useful without a light in it, wouldn't it?
Also, if the light wasn't invented, lanterns would have improved significantly over the years. The camping lantern I own, produces extremely bright white light, better than any electric bulb I've seen. Figure piezo-electric starters, easily replaced wicks that can be used for months at a time. Sealed tight enough that fuel wouldn't spill when they fall-over, etc. It wouldn't be very bad.
Of course, this is a bit of a ridiculous game, as it's practically impossible for technology to increase to the point of being able to make a computer, without having discovered many methods of lighting beforehand. Your LCD/CRT monitor isn't using a vaccum-tube with bamboo filament, so, in reality, the invention of the lightbulb isn't so significant.
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:5, Insightful)
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*sigh*
The internet was a government project for a LONG, LONG time, until it finally was decided to open it up to commercial enterprises.
And let's not forget the interstate highway system, or the national power grid, or any of the other hundred items where the government's intervention no only is non-ornerous, but necessary for the whole thing to work at all.
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And when you come down to it, there's just no way to avoid a bureaurcarcy, whether public or private. What's the alternative? A one man dictator or a small body of all-powerful engineers who make all decisions about how the Internet should be run?
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I think there was a story here a few years ago. Turns out that somebody already thought of that. The idea was to reduce the impact of viruses, spam, and other malware by making sure that only knowledgeable users can access the Internet.
Of course, you and I know that whatever body provides those licenses will be run by bureaucrats and other idiots who will license lusers and keep licenses away from those "evil hackers" (like the ones who made up that Linux t
Re:It wouldn't stop... (Score:3, Insightful)
Could be a sign of aging....
But it seems like there was a good old time when the porn people didn't splatter across every single usenet group. If there was some funding to _control_, repeat CONTROL, not censor, I would be for it: DOTsex, DOTviagra, DOTpenisextension, DOTNigerianIncomeOpportunity, etc.
Look at amateur radio. You have to pass an exam. Decent equipment isn't cheap. There are intellectual, economic and regulatory hurdles to admission. And the crazies are relatively few and far between.
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They JUST added a .25 fee! (Score:2, Interesting)
Man, that's... (Score:2, Funny)
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Great!! (Score:5, Funny)
From the FA... (Score:3, Insightful)
So how exactly does this cause anyone real grief?
Re:From the FA... (Score:2, Offtopic)
Well, they JUST added in 25-cents per year for most domains, and now they'll be adding in 75-cents for
Notice the trend?
ICANN
Re:From the FA... (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, renewing my domain name is going to be like looking at my phone bill. Tons of strange charges that make absolutely no sense.
Re:From the FA... (Score:2)
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
1. Get self on ICANN board.
2. Increase fees gradually so nobody notices. (formerly ???)
3. Profit!
you said it. (Score:2)
I'll just add to that that I DONT WANT A SILLY NET DOMAIN, but some dirtbag [google.com] with really bad ideas [domaincontender.com] stole and squatted on my org name.
isn't there a fee already (Score:2)
Re:isn't there a fee already (Score:3, Insightful)
Get a deal? (Score:2, Interesting)
DNS should die... (Score:2)
Re:DNS should die... (Score:2)
http://distributeddns.sourceforge.net/
Re:DNS should die... (Score:5, Insightful)
I register FooCompany.com. Some guy on his server publishes FooCompany.com to his IP. Which server has the correct IP? You need a way to verify authenticity. Maybe SSL certs? Oops, those are centralized under a small handful of companies... Maybe GPG keys? We can see how all the other web-of-trust security systems have just taken the 'net by storm...
No, ICANN's purpose is to provide management of the namespace and make sure that someone can't just use FooCompany without having gone through a central source to do it. You can't have two FooCompany's in existance. (Aside from server hacking. Which, btw, becomes so, so much easier in a P2P resolution system.) The DNS system itself is already highly distributed in technical terms - a hierarchy where each level is distributed between several (or more) servers.
You can't turn something like ICANN into a global shared responsibility. You need some real management. If you pull that management out of DNS, you just push it somewhere else - making all 'net traffic require SSL certs or GPG keys or somethign else, which is still going to require a central authority. (Sorry guys, even GPG will have central authority's, since 95% of users would much rather pay $100 to a company to sign their keys than have to track down, call, and meet in person with a handful of 'net uber-geeks to get keys signed, and have to do that over and over everytime they get a new key.)
Why is .net more expensive than .com? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why is .net more expensive than .com? (Score:2)
It clearly states that Verisign's contract to run
Re:Why is .net more expensive than .com? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Why is .net more expensive than .com? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Why is .net more expensive than .com? (Score:4, Funny)
Boy, if that's the case, those dot ORG guys must be complete neanderthals.
What's the difference between TLDs? (Score:4, Insightful)
LS
RTFA. (Score:3, Informative)
They're introducing this because VeriSign's contract to administer .net runs out next year; they can take advantage of the bidding process for that contract to insert the fee. And they may do the same when the .com contract runs out in 2007.
don't give them any ideas. (Score:2)
Shhh! that's just the kind of bad idea you don't want the marketroids to get. Don't you know they would love their own little exclusive namespace that they could market as something "only responsible companies" can own and spam you from. Surely, most would cut a deal with vermin of their own kind so that they would pay "low prices" for such things and have everyone else subsidize it. Let's just ridicule such an idea as ".m
if everyone would send me a penny.... (Score:3, Insightful)
6 + billion people would result in a few dollars in my pocket, but that's not really the point.
The point is taxation without representation..
internet tea party anyone?
Exactly, that's a lot of gum (Score:2)
It's like stamps: a 2c fee in a billion stamps still equals a whole lotta money - but frankly you're getting a lot more from the stamps and postal agencies than you are from icann.
I guess the big question is, who is going to stop them
Re:if everyone would send me a penny.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why pick on us .nets? (Score:3, Insightful)
So why are they going to pick on us first? What's that about?
Re:Why pick on us .nets? (Score:5, Informative)
It clearly states that Verisign's contract to run
Re:Why pick on us .nets? (Score:2)
Just like the FCC Line Fee (Score:5, Insightful)
So... I guess once this fee is applied and nobody's bottom gets removed from the high and mighty chair over this, there will be a fee increase, then another fee (for the regulation and patent disputes, for example), and another one (to help public schools pay for their domain names) etc.
All of those fees will be removed from the registrar's ads, so you'll see ".NET Domains for Only $5.95* " with fine print stating "Please note, additional fees and surcharges may apply" and final price will crawl up to $9 or more.
Look at cell phones and regular land-line phones... That's where it's heading.
Re:Just like the FCC Line Fee (Score:2)
I may hate ICANN and think they all need shot, but they're hell of a lot better then letting the ITU run things.
Re:Just like the FCC Line Fee (Score:4, Interesting)
My telephone land line costs $23.00 a month.
the bill I pay is $47.00 a month.
that is $24.00 a month in FEES and TAXES. more than the price of the fricking phone line.
Granted, this is because the phone company is being a gigantic ASSHAT and simply passing their costs of doing business on to the customer directly. It's equlivant of a place like BestBuy charging you the item's shipping cost at the register along with taxes and a stocking fee.
do you think that people would shop at a store that when you bought that $99.00 memory stick they tack on $3.95 Stocking fee, $7.95 shipping fee, and another $5.95 Destination and Delivery fee?
that is why when I buy a car I do not pay their "fees" they try to charge. I will bust a deal right there if they do not.
any place that will lose a $17,000-$23,000 sale over $250 in "fees" is a place I do not want to buy my car at. (Yes, I pull this on them at the very end so they can not try and bullcrap like roll the "fees" into the price.
If more consumers would put up a fight about it everywhere instead of rolling over like a good consumer doing what they are told things would be drastically different.
but that is asking way too much of the american consumer.
Re:Just like the FCC Line Fee (Score:3, Informative)
Holy crap, you have no idea how business works, do you? This is *exactly* what they do! They just do tell you. Hell, if they *didn't* pass those costs onto the consumer, they would lose money on every item sold! See, first, you have to realize that they didn't buy that memory stick for $99.00. They bought it
Support Open RCS (Score:5, Interesting)
The Internet needs to stay unregulated and as free as possible from the corporate mindset if it's going to stay in it's current shape. You can already see problems arising with corporations controlling so much of the public's interest in the Internet such as VeriSign's abusing their power by implementing programs like SiteFinder.
It's reasons like these and ICANN's increasing little fees they charge that something needs to be done at some point and the sooner the better. I suppose the very nature of the Internet is a saving grace - if the current custodians fail the public then the network can always be restructured, if very slowly. There is more than one way millions of computers can be inter-connected.
Re:Support Open RCS (Score:3, Interesting)
I think Open Root Server Confederation will actually gain some ground from this.
The only thing that can strangle ISP's is really the IP thing because ICANN probably hits the backbones pretty hard. This i
What about foreign domains? (Score:3, Interesting)
Also of interest, everyone here complains about how closely aligned ICANN is with the US gov't. Now, from what I can see, they want to charge you 75 cents a year (1/3 the price of a cup of coffee) so they can privately fund themselves. This leads to getting the gov't OUT of the DNS game and truly internaitonalizes it!
You know, they're doing this... (Score:5, Funny)
Beh. Who cares? (Score:3, Interesting)
If you have a website (that makes money, or not), then even a few hundreds of dollars won't make a difference---and $0.75 cents is certainly nothing to complain about. Just look at how much taxes you're paying on your cell phone per month.
On the other hand, if you're in the business of hogging hundreds of domains in a hope of selling them... then I understand how a few bucks per domain can make a huge difference in that business model. But then I don't think those people should be in business in the first place.
Re:Beh. Who cares? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Beh. Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe you ask why I bothered. I mean, $35 was something, but $7? $3? That's hardly even enough money to go out and entertain myself for an evening. I do it on principle. I do it because I know the company expects me to blow it off and just pay it. I know that if they feel they can get away with that, then they will try on a regular basis. What happens when there's "just" another $3 charge on your phone bill a month? What happens when $3/month more doesn't satisfy them anymore? It goes up.
I'm not in the game of getting cheated. I look over my bills and confirm that nothing stupid was added on. I won't let these companies get the feeling that they can just do whatever they want without checks for me. Yes, it may only be $.75, but it adds up, and it sets a bad precedent.
What would it matter if you wound up spending $1000 more than you needed to in a year, all because there were some 1200 $.75 charges tacked on that shouldn't have? To me, that's where it matters most.
I kind of miss the old days.. (Score:5, Insightful)
See, a company I recently worked for had no qualms about registering 100 domains every other day for no other purpose than to use them for SPAM.
If the domains were $100 each, I am pretty sure that they wouldn't be burning through domains like that.
Is this taxation without representation? (Score:2)
Oh wait, your just an editor.
Alternative Naming Regime? (Score:2)
If not, surely this will come to pass if ICANN gets to problematic with their own limitations.
Who gives ICANN their power? (Score:2, Interesting)
Clarification (Score:2, Insightful)
As the first Thursday drunk to respond... (Score:5, Funny)
As a result, I will be charging ICANN a monthly 7.50 'Blow Me' fee. Bitches.
Fees and surcharges are the first sign that you should get your gun and start thinning the herd from the top down, because someone has decided you're easy pickin' and an easy money bitch. ICANN does not DO anything, except charge poor fucks like me and you for having a shitty website.
Now mod me offtopic, you ICANN sniffing mod-whores. HAHAHA! Profanity is always uncalled for, and used by ruffians, and ner' do-wells, so eat it.
Re:As the first Thursday drunk to respond... (Score:2)
Get the money from spammers (Score:2)
Monopoly (Score:2)
Perhaps people shouldn't have dismissed alternatives like PacificROOT in the past -- at least there'd be some competition to prevent these sorts of things.
Looks like I'll be paring back my domains next year.
Two Good Questions. (Score:4, Funny)
It will never stop. Observing trends, taxation is increasing for long as past 4000 years. Next phase is Slashdot charging all Cowards $.03/year for keeping them Anonymous...
Re:Fee's (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Fee's (Score:2)
Correction (Score:2)
Correction, that would be a $5.00 fee.
Re:Fee's (Score:2)
Re:75 cents? (Score:3, Insightful)
At least until they rationalize that they need to raise more money.
Re:75 cents? (Score:2)
Re:75 cents? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not that expensive (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you see where this is going? They can charge as much as they want, be it the measly 75 cents or $15.
(It's like the income tax. The gov't said it would be temporary--and small. But it wasn't temporary, and it's grown quite a bit.)
Re:Not that expensive (Score:2)
Re:Not that expensive (Score:3, Insightful)
From article: the group recently imposed a 25-cent annual charge on
and what's to prevent them from adding another fee next year, or in two years. Two years from now you might not remember they're charging a $1 for
Register net.net! (Score:2)
2. Re-sell everyone their same domain names as mysite.net.net, but charge them HALF what ICANN + registrars do.
3. ??? (wait till ICANN goes broke?)
4. PROFIT!!!
Mal-2
Re:Not that expensive (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So why are people upset? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Only question is... (Score:2)
Re:Oh please... (Score:2)
Re:Heh heh. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Completely Retarded... (Score:2)
Re:Not a bad idea... (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, the problem you described sucks, but irrelevant to this topic.
Re:question.... (Score:5, Informative)
please forgive my ignorance, but what does icann do?
You're forgiven. :)
Okay, here's how it works. You know how the tech community likes to tell newbies that nobody controls the Internet? Well, that's not entirely true. At the time the Internet was founded, peer-to-peer was nowhere near as sophisticated as it is today, so you needed somebody to keep all the important information about computers on the Internet, to prevent it from melting into anarchy.
Various organizations (and in particular, Jon Postel [wikipedia.org]) had different sets of these responsibilities until 1998, when ICANN was founded. ICANN is a non-profit corporation with a U.S. government contract. They are responsible for assigning IP addresses (so there's no duplication), running the DNS system (so mere mortals can get to Slashdot without having to memorize IP addresses) and other more mundane tasks specified in various RFCs, such as tracking well-known port numbers and MIME types.
So, ICANN and its subsidiaries basically represent a government-sanctioned monopoly, like the phone company used to be. Other companies and non-profit organizations occasionally try to create alternative DNS services, such as OpenNIC [unrated.net], but they don't usually get very far because ICANN, in its official capacity, squishes them like bugs.
I may be hazy on the details, but I think this is accurate enough to get you started on your own research.