Search By.... Email? 138
cjjjer writes "The Register has a article on Yelp, the newest local search engine based on your local friends and businesses. Robert X. Cringely over at I, Cringely has another take on this new type of service as well. Seems to me a service like this will only generate a lot of useless emails that will go un-answered. Wait a minute, that sounds a lot like spam."
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Will you annoy your friends by doing this? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Will you annoy your friends by doing this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds kinda nifty (Score:5, Informative)
"Suppose you want to find where you can drink the most romantic Mint Julep in town, or where to find the cheapest key cutter. You enter your request into Yelp, then nominate some friends who you know can be trusted not to jerk you around, or who really know a good tip. This much you might have already done, for sure, without Yelp! but like Evite, Yelp! takes care of the rest of the business. If your friends can't come up with the answer, it will then tentatively try friends of friends. Yelp! takes care of mis-spellings, and plugs into a directory at the back end, giving you an address and a map. And, overtime, becomes an authoritative information source."
It will probably become quite effective once the useage gets high. Sign me up.
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:5, Insightful)
That usage factor is going to be very interesting, because in order for their system to works there needs to be an answer to every question asked, and to work well many answers per question.
But where exactly are the answers going to come from since there's no direction reward for answering? There needs to be some sort of rule or incentive protecting the question-to-answer ratio, otherwise this system could colapse with piles of unanswered questions.
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:2)
I could see a situation where a whole shit load of people could just put all kinds of erroronous information into the database just to screw with people.
i.e. "How do I get to the Bostom Museum of Science from Alewife". and they get back an answer something like "Take the Blue line to Fenway, then take the Red line to government center". Granted, you'd think people would just use the mbta's website or
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:2)
But i think the point isn't just here to there (which is easy to find online, though you're right, people don't tend to look if they aren't used to the medium) but 'where should i go while i'm in Boston to get some culture?' and then the answers will come back, obviously, heavily favouring a.) museums, b.) bars, and c.) the MIT biology labs.
Maybe there will be a usefulness ranking system, so that your responses can g
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:2)
For those of you outside of Boston... those dirrections are clearly incorrect to anybody local because Alewife is the western terminal station for the Red Line, you can't get on the Blue Line there.
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:2)
As a side note I had a friend that worked at a convenience store and would knowingly give false directions to people because he got tired of doing it all day.
Re:Sounds kinda nifty (Score:1)
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
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But if they have 0 STD's you divide by zero and it blows up in your face. Then again, maybe that is the desired result...
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following precedence rules of math, this equation means that the more STDs a prostitute has, the more preferable she (he) is!!!
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Re:Formula correction... CORRECTION (Score:2)
Simple (Score:2)
And random fwds aren't bad enough? (Score:1, Insightful)
Screw this. (Score:5, Insightful)
And their page uses really sucky JavaScript; have they ever heard of using plain old hyperlinks rather than using javascript to open a popup window? It would make their site much more friendly to---irony coming---search engines. Real search engines.
Re:Screw this. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Screw this. (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, this site looks like it was concieved and implemented by people who learned all their skills reading "HTML and Perl for Dummies" back in 1999. It won't last unless I've overestimated the intelligence of the average internet user.
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Frank wants to know about Volvo repair. (Score:3, Insightful)
Bob wants to know about fishing sites.
Charlie wants to know about CD's.
Dave wants to know about guitars.
Ethel wants to know about concerts.
Frank wants to know about Volvo repairs.
Gary wants to know about Vegas.
Heidi wants to know about gyms.
Zak wants to know about legos.
And that's just on Monday.
Re:Frank wants to know about Volvo repair. (Score:3, Funny)
- Kevin
Re:Frank wants to know about Volvo repair. (Score:2, Interesting)
Alice wants to know about "Total Newbie"
Bob wants to know about "Yelp is shit"
Charlie wants to know about "I have a question..."
Dave wants to know about "Problem here"
At least most Support Forums with people too stupid to google their answers themselves look like this.
Re:Screw this. (Score:5, Insightful)
I, too, am happy to help a friend out when they ask for recommendations on a restaurant or whatever. But if they ask for the recommendation and end their email with "btw, I gave your email address to a few spammers before I sent this to you" then I will be very angry.
Re:Screw this. (Score:4, Funny)
I don't see any reason to change POPFile's thinking on the subject
John.
Re:Screw this. (Score:2)
s/email me/ask.slashdot.org/g
s/email from you/posts to ask.slashdot.org/g
Hmm. Do you have ask.slashdot.org blocked from your homepage? (Not that the filters work or anything *cough*).
Actually, this sounds pretty cool to me. I can filter mail quite well, and would not be bothered by such a thing.
Re:Screw this. (Score:1)
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"I left my WALLET in the BATHROOM!!"
"I just bought FLATBUSH from MICKEY MANTLE!"
"I love FRUIT PICKERS!!"
"Yow!! 'Janitor trapped in sewer uses ESP to find decayed burger'!!"
Fad (Score:5, Interesting)
The great thing about google local is that it's all automated and immediate. This Yelp is going to be lagged which could be a real pain in the ass.
The other thing is, why would you need Yelp! to ask your friends to recommend a restaurant or tailor or whatever. If they are your friends, why not just ask them to their face?
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This sounds like a really dumb idea. I don't mind answering the occasional question for someone I actually know and like, but this thing sounds like asking me to play tech support (or google) for a bunch of people my friends know, but I may not know, or even worse may know but not like.
This is a solution without a problem. Finding most information on the net can be done much faster, more accurately, and with no chance of pissing off some random friend of a friend of a friend, with an ordinary search engine.
Re:Fad (Score:1, Funny)
Yeah, but after 6 iterations, you'll have Kevin Bacon asking you stupid questions.
Re:Fad (Score:2)
Without knowing the implementation details, I can see potential benefits: Results can be cached and aggrigated within your group, and you can get friend-of-friend recomendations, potentially with an estimate of the liklihood that their ratings will agree with yours.
Is "Tell a Friend" spamming the friend? (Score:5, Interesting)
When a site invites its user to "tell a friend" by sending a pre-scripted e-mail, the friend ends up getting an e-mail that looks a lot like a spam message, but it's not really a mass-distributed e-mail because it only goes to those whose e-mail addresses were turned in by other friends.
So, the sending friend might think they're doing their friend a favor, while the friend getting the message would be within their rights to declare that they were spammed...
Re:Is "Tell a Friend" spamming the friend? (Score:1, Insightful)
Unsolicited ? check
Commercial ? check
Email ? check
so yes as the recipient didnt request it it would be correctly identified as UCE aka Spam
Re:Is "Tell a Friend" spamming the friend? (Score:2)
Re:Is "Tell a Friend" spamming the friend? (Score:2, Funny)
More often though, with less reputable companies, you will get 5 or 10 variations over the course of a few days/weeks/months because one person gave your address.
"Jane signed you up for xyz"
"Hey, Jane signed you up"
"Cooooooey, Jane wants a word"
"Jane is getting lonely"
"Jane is leaving town"
"Last chance, Jane is going"
"You'll never see Jane again"
"..."
"Janes Back!!!"
"Welcome back party for Jane"
Ads from my friends? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Ads from my friends? (Score:2)
I have to deal with this daily already :( (Score:5, Insightful)
Or the best dry cleaner?
Or whatever...
There's always going to be someone who uses Yelp! 10 times a day and annoys you to no end.
It happens already: go take a look in any live journal [livejournal.com] community.
Re:I have to deal with this daily already :( (Score:3, Informative)
They already have this service :
Craigs List [craigslist.org]Great way to waste time. If you really want to be afraid, look in the psych forums.
Wait for them to start asking about Vi@gra! (Score:2)
If there's ANY regularity to the message formats, look for the spammers to adopt it.
Also, can you think of a better way to collect real email address than by sending out crap and collecting the "on vacation" bounces?
Re:I have to deal with this daily already :( (Score:2)
In any case, it's not like someone is forced to be a member of a particular community. If they think a particular community
Re:I have to deal with this daily already :( (Score:2)
Spammers collection point? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Spammers collection point? (Score:2)
But it says "Yelp! will not share email addresses with third parties." You don't think they'd do that do you? After they said they wouldn't? That's just... immoral.
"Yacking" (Score:3, Funny)
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-Jiveman #1, Airplane
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Maybe I'm mising something... (Score:5, Insightful)
Perfect Name (Score:2)
question (Score:4, Funny)
Answer: your friends don't know, so the question is forwarded to everyone on Earth.
My friends are far away (Score:5, Insightful)
Emailing my circle of friends in the UK, Japan, Germany, etc. isn't going to get me a good recommendation on a New York dry cleaners.
John.
I need a fork (Score:1)
Spam blacklists... (Score:5, Funny)
U nsolicited? Check!
C ommericial? Check!
E mail? Check!
That spells "spam" in my book. I think I'll just add an entry to my SMTP access list now, and get it over with:
yelp.com ERROR:"554 Use Google, you dumb fsck!"
That should do it. :)
Re:Spam blacklists... (Score:5, Funny)
Or you can be polite and point them here [fuckinggoogleit.com]
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spam filters will take care of this quickly.. (Score:2)
I am not at all worried about this.. mark it as spam in yahoo and gmail, mark it as spam in my filters..
then it will just be another junk mailer with a few people who might use it.
not to mention that yahoo and gmail also happen to be major search engines I doubt I will ever seen one land in an inbox of those web-based accounts.
next...
http://www.capescience.com/google/index.shtml (Score:1)
Very effective if there is no browser handy.
CraigsList (Score:1)
What a great weapon... (Score:1)
Send a few to your ex (or your spouse), asking where the best place is to get laid...
Re:What a great weapon... (Score:2)
But hey, to each their own.
mini meme (Score:1)
me: Hey Yelp, how do I cut down on stupid Yelp email traffic?
Yelp: I don't know, sorry.
We can't stop them! They meme business, err, I mean "mean".
If you think this is annoying... (Score:2, Insightful)
opt in spamming? (Score:1)
Artists out there...? (Score:5, Funny)
And the CORRECT answer is: (Score:1)
In fact, they were at the bus station waiting for a train.
All they really needed to do was to index each and every Slashdot entry ever made
Professor Irwin Cory (the self-professed world's foremost expert on everything)
Some Help for Yelp (Score:2)
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My friends read mail from me (Score:2, Informative)
When... (Score:2, Interesting)
Unintelligible (Score:3, Insightful)
tell a friend, spam a friend (Score:1, Insightful)
But they will give their email address to their mom, and their mom WILL type it into that form.
Yelp meets my spam test (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh great (Score:4, Informative)
So... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:X? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Did he pronounce it "ex" or "ten"?
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1. Xanthus
2. Xavier
3. Xerxes
I was also curious...and these are just the boys names.
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