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Mozilla 1.7 Released 448

kashif-khan writes "Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7. Updates include smaller size, increased speed and faster start up times. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of features and download it from mozilla.org."
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Mozilla 1.7 Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:37PM (#9458894)
    Simple, fire anyone in your organization that develops open source software as a hobby.

    This is quite logical.

    They prefer working on their projects instead of the work you give them, and quite often will work on their projects on work time even though they are not meant to. By firing them, you give them more time to work on their open source project which produces a better product. You then use their open source project for free. As it has improved, you do not need to buy commercial software and can save money.

    So you have saved in two ways. You fire someone who is not working hard enough and replace them with someone more productive. And if enough people fire their open source developers you can ditch your commercial software and get their products for free!

    Oh how I love this free software business model!
    • By your own logic you should ask your boss to be fired. If people just can't control themselves, can we conclude that you post inflamatory comments to discussion sites during work hours?
    • by Deusy ( 455433 ) <charlie@@@vexi...org> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:12PM (#9459146) Homepage
      I know the OP was trying to be funny about the momentum Mozilla has built up since Netscape fired everybody, but he's really far from the truth.

      When out of work, I was massively unproductive. Between looking for a job, being depressed, and day-time TV (which is hypnotically bad), it's difficult to get things going with your open source work.

      It wasn't until I was contracted to work on my preferred open source project that we made tangible progress.

      If you want to help Free Software (which is different open source) then hire the developers to work on Free Software projects. Then they'll be doubly productive motivated by both the project and the fact they can survive in todays dog-eat-dog money-makes-the-world-go-around pay-the-mortgage-or-live-on-the-street civilization of ours.

      I do believe some ex-Netscape guys are paid to work on Mozilla by the Mozilla Foundation, and various others are paid to work on Mozilla by the various Free Software oriented companies. I think it was more Mozilla being unshackled from Netscape than the Netscape employees being unshackled from Netscape that has unleashed the recent wave of Mozilla improvements.
    • by ky11x ( 668132 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:44PM (#9459325)

      Good lord. Mods, have you missed his joke or forgotten history?

      The parent post is making a reference to the history of Mozilla and Netscape. Netscape got bought by AOL, who fired a bunch of Netscape developers, and then the Moz got an injection of development effort as former Netscape developers helped out on Moz.

      It's not such a bad joke. I think it's funny and insightful -- he's pointing out the irony of what AOL did and is doing (now that AOL is using Moz code to help with Netscape).

      If you don't know the history and thus didn't get the joke, please don't assume that someone is "off topic" or "inflammatory." He may just be too subtle for you and you could learn something from him.

  • Right at the verge? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:42PM (#9458936)
    Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7.
    That should be this:
    Right on the heels of Firefox 0.9's and Thunderbird 0.7's releases comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7.
  • Awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 222 ( 551054 ) <stormseeker.gmail@com> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:42PM (#9458940) Homepage
    Does this release actually render slashdot correctly?
    Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column. :(
    • Re:Awesome! (Score:2, Informative)

      by Pyrion ( 525584 )
      I only had that problem when I applied the UI tweak that forces the browser to redraw more often than it's defaulted to.

      Forgot which one it is though since I lost all that to a reformat.
    • by setzman ( 541053 ) <stzman ... sandremoveit,org> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:47PM (#9458981) Journal
      Does this release actually render slashdot correctly? Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column. :(

      This is a real issue with Mozilla and FireFox (based on Mozilla obviously), thus the parent has a legitimate concern as opposed to being a troll.

    • Sadly I've got the same behavior here. The leftnav with "Sections", "Help", etc renders on top of the comment text.

      W2K, latest and greatest drivers and all updates Firefox .9

      Remind me to hit bugzilla later.

    • I've been using FF and Mozilla before it, since Mozilla milestone M14, and I can't recall the last time I saw Slashdot render incorrectly. And yet, I always see these posts... is there a bug filed somewhere regarding it, because its always worked for me.
    • NOT A TROLL!!! (Score:3, Informative)

      by vwjeff ( 709903 )
      I have had similar problems. Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind. My online banking doesn't render correctly in Mozilla 1.6 or Firefox. It is a shame. I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed, and they said, "Our online banking system is best supported by Internet Explorer."

      As far as Slashdot goes, I do sometimes have problems rendering the page, especially the user login.

      These small problems mean nothing in the big picture. I love Mozilla.

      The parent is not a troll
      • Re:NOT A TROLL!!! (Score:3, Interesting)

        I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed

        Why leave the bank unnamed? Go ahead and name it. Maybe it will shame them into supporting standard browsers.

        At the time my bank got eaten by Washington Mutual, their web site didn't support anything but IE. I complained. I don't know if anyone else did. But I do know that six months later, I can use Mozilla or Safari, or virtually any other browser I want at wamu.com.
      • Re:NOT A TROLL!!! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by FuzzyBad-Mofo ( 184327 ) <fuzzybad@gmail.c3.1415926om minus pi> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @11:21PM (#9459559)

        Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind.

        Most web designers couldn't write standards-compliant HTML if their life depended on it, and rely on WYSIWYG editors like Dreamweaver & Frontpage. That's why web designers should stick to design, and leave implementation up to web developers.

    • I keep seeing this like for 2-3 months now:

      1 reply beneath your current threshold.
      2 replies beneath your current threshold.
      3 replies beneath your current threshold.

      The more popular the article, the more lines i get about this.
      Is this a slashdot bug? I am on safari
    • Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)

      by hattig ( 47930 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:09PM (#9459123) Journal
      When Slashdot fucks up:

      1) Click Back Button
      2) Click Forward Button

      Always renders correctly after clicking the forward button.
    • Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)

      by obotics ( 592176 ) <remline@hotmail.com> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:10PM (#9459131) Homepage
      For those interested in tracking this bug, it is Bug 217527 [mozilla.org] in Bugzilla (copy link and paste into another window ^_^). I have seen this problem many times; usually one or two refreshes will fix the problem. Note that the status on the bug says "Fixed." However the fix was pulled back out due to a problem with the patch.
    • Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Informative)

      by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:14PM (#9459159) Homepage Journal
      Just do a CTRL-mousewheel (or whatever you have your font size change bound to).

      That will force a re-render and clean things up.

      The bugzilla number is 217527 (the Mozilla team do not want direct links from Slashdot to Bugzilla - if you cannot figure out how to get from here to there without a link you probably shouldn't be going there anyway.)
    • This is the combination of a bug in Gecko and Slashdot's horrible, invalid HTML output.

      To quote a previous post of mine:

      Fixing Slashcode's HTML has been discussed to death before but the Slashcode devels have not put any effort into fixing it yet.

      Take a look at these [slashdot.org] articles [alistapart.com] for more info on how this can be fixed. [slashdot.org]

      Note: That last link is about a Slashcode user who has already tackled some of the major issues with fixing Slash to output valid XHTML and CSS

    • Simple fix: (Score:5, Informative)

      by King_of_Prussia ( 741355 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @11:26PM (#9459597)
      put the following code in a bookmarklet on your bookmarks toolbar, when it messes up just click and it'll fix it right up. It also works on other sites where tables/columns don't render properly.

      "javascript:document.getElementsByTagName(%22body% 22)[0].style.display='none';document.getElementsBy TagName(%22body%22)[0].style.display='block';void( 0);"

      You'll also have to remove the spaces slashcode puts in there.

  • by JasonUCF ( 601670 ) <jason-slashdawt@NOSpAm.jnlpro.com> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:44PM (#9458948) Homepage
    I see no updates on Bugzilla for any of the trees -- for the life of pete, that "intermittent" copy paste bug is awful. Every now and then copy/paste funtionality will just disappear. You can't copy anything.

    I can stand misrendered pages, I can stand missing URL's, I can stand a memory leak that might force me to restart the system every now and then -- but yee gods, if you mysteriously take my copy/paste away from me at inopportune moments.. madness! URL's hand typed! Monkeys flying out you know what comes next!

    I love the 'zillas to death and I am typing this on Firefox now. I'm not saying the bug forces me to abandon it.. it's just.. so... painful! Help me obi-developers, you're my only hope!

    (can I get a witness? holla!)
  • by Space_Soldier ( 628825 ) <not4_u@hotmail.com> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:46PM (#9458960)
    Why are they still developing Mozilla instead of just developing Firefox, Thunderbird, and the core? Firefox, Thunderbird are still pet projects. That is why their development is so slow. Firefox has been in development for a lot of time.
  • by Rogue Leader ( 786192 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:50PM (#9458987)
    Firefox is prettier by default. Now pardon me, I have to grab my Hello Kitty lunchbox and skip out the door. Weeeeh!
  • Fedora Core 2 (Score:5, Informative)

    by hypermike ( 680396 ) <hypermike@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:50PM (#9458995)
    From the Article:

    Users of Fedora Core 2 may experience unusually long delays in resolving hostnames. This results from the fact that IPv6 is enabled by default in Fedora Core 2. If you do not need IPv6 support (which is most likely the case), then it is advised that you disable it in the kernel. To do this run the following command as root: echo "alias net-pf-10 off" >> /etc/modprobe.conf You will need to reboot to have this take effect (or simply unload the ipv6 kernel module).

    An FYI if anyone is having trouble on Fedora.

  • acroread bug? (Score:2, Informative)

    by slurpburp ( 747225 )
    Has the acroread bug been fixed, or is that just a Gentoo thing? Anyone know?
  • by bconway ( 63464 ) * on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:52PM (#9459009) Homepage
    I'm currently stuck in that I'm still finding FireFox too buggy for everday use (broken -remote, crashing with some plugins, etc.), however I often find myself using it because GTK2 and XFT in the default Linux build is outweighing the ugliness of GTK1 and the non-XFT fonts in the latest Mozilla build. Will there ever be an official build of Mozilla 1.7+ with GTK2 and XFT? I've searched Google, and there were a few people building it regularly, but they seem to have discontinued doing so.
    • Funny...Mozilla has a GTK1/no-XFT build, and you want a GTK2+XFT one. Firefox has a GTK2+XFT build, and I want a non-XFT one. Funny how our opinions are complete opposites here (well, not entirely opposite--I do like GTK2, but only because it works with the Qt-Engine and GTK1 doesn't).

      Anyway, why would you want XFT? It generates nauseating, headache-inducing fonts. Thankfully, the mozilla-firefox-bin in Portage seems to not use XFT, but the ebuild is a tad buggy.
      • Have to agree with you on XFT's bad karma. I use Mozilla and (once upon a time) Firefox 0.8 with the font.FreeType2.enable option, which yields muchmuchmuch nicer-looking fonts. As of Firefox 0.9, however, the direct-FreeType support seems to have been dropped in favor of XFT alone :-(

        I've been trying to compile Firefox from source with --enable-freetype and --disable-xft, but ye gods is it a pain to sort through the build problems that come up....
    • I've searched Google, and there were a few people building it regularly, but they seem to have discontinued doing so.


      I use the builds from this page [scottbolander.com]; it has XFT builds for Mozilla 1.4 trough 1.7 RC3, so I guess 1.7 final will be there soon.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:52PM (#9459014)
    Internet Explorer [microsoft.com] is a project currently under development by Microsoft. Its features include:
    • Cookie Management
    • Customizable Layout
    • Auto-Image-Resize

    I strongly reccomend it to all as an alternative to GNU/Open Source.
  • BitTorrent (Score:5, Informative)

    by typhoonius ( 611834 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:53PM (#9459022) Homepage

    Fairly neat: it seems that Mozilla has setup an official torrent tracker [mozilla.org] for this release.

    • Why the )*&^((** does Torrent files always stop at 99%? I can restart until the cows comes home and it's still 99%.
  • by MagicM ( 85041 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @09:55PM (#9459036)
    Can someone please explain to me the direct relationship between Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla? Does Mozilla have anything that the stand-alone apps don't have? Vice versa?

    (I know I'm losing "Slashdot cool points" by asking this, but damn it all, I want to know.)
    • by Pedersen ( 46721 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:03PM (#9459091) Homepage
      • Firefox = Browser
      • Thunderbird = E-Mail & News
      • Mozilla = Browser, Email, News, Calendar, Composer, Palm Sync, Address Book, and even the kitchen sink

      Personally, I go with Mozilla, but then again, I like having all that extra functionality in one place.

    • by trisweb ( 690296 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:14PM (#9459163) Journal
      I don't have any Slashdot Cool Points, so I'll take some of yours and try to help you out. ;-)

      In a nutshell, Mozilla started off as the open-sourced version of Netscape 6, which turned into the Mozilla suite, and included the browser, and an e-mail client and some other things and even more things. Mozilla was big, slow, and clunky by many people's views, but it had a great rendering engine called "Gecko," and some other cool stuff. So some people decided to take the rendering engine and other cool stuff, and make a browser that was smaller, lighter, faster, and was really good at one task -- web browsing. They called it Pheonix, then Firebird, then Firefox (legal issues...). At the same time (well, a little later, after people saw how cool it was) some people decided to make an e-mail client on the same idea -- they called it Thunderbird (No legal issues).

      So, Firefox and Thunderbird are very similar on the inside, but with obvious differences. Mozilla is pretty different, as it's a direct derivative (albeit with a full rewrite) of the Netscape application. The Mozilla suite is also significantly slower (but hopefully better with this release) than Firefox and Thunderbird, and has a bigger memory footprint.

      Read this [mozilla.org] for a more thourough explanation of Firefox's goals, and also check out the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org].
    • by Lshmael ( 603746 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:46PM (#9459340) Homepage
      from http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q1.3 [texturizer.net]:
      What's the difference between Firefox and Mozilla?

      Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use. Note, though, that Firefox is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars.
      Similarly, Thunderbird is a standalone mail client. For most people, Firefox and Thunderbird will fit just as well as (if not better than!) Mozilla; if you want a IRC client [mozilla.org] and a HTML editor [mozilla.org], then I would suggest you use Mozilla.
  • Mozilla 1.7 RC-3 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by miknight ( 642270 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:00PM (#9459074) Journal
    Does anyone know if there was any change from RC-3 to the final version?
  • WOW (Score:2, Informative)

    by shao ( 70467 )
    7% faster at startup, is 8% faster to open a window, has 9% faster page loading, and is 5% smaller
  • Only 1.7? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Reorax ( 629666 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:07PM (#9459111)
    Why should I use this? Internet Explorer is already at version 6. I've used both, but I must say that IE is really 4.3 better.
  • by shao ( 70467 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:15PM (#9459167)
    I have the last two more problems with mozilla/firefox before I can call it a perfect browser.

    1. when click a link that opens a new window on a slow site that takes forever to load, mozilla thinks it is a popup becoz it is still loading, and it blocks the new window!!!

    2. when I enter a banking SSL site that pops up a window for login, the security icon overwrites the popup blocking icon, there is no way for me to unblock the site unless I do it manually.

    Any known solutions to fix these?
  • by Ars-Fartsica ( 166957 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:21PM (#9459197)
    To hell with the "bloat" arguments - Mozilla is the single most important project for the open source invasion of the desktop. Want a "slim" browser?? Run lynx...have fun! Meanwhile I am loading up Moz with a dozen or so web development extensions that have become indispensible (fave: livehttpheaders).

    Mozilla Mail - I haven't forgotten you. An excellent client that integrates nicely with the browser.

    Kudos to the Mozilla team. Don't worry, marketshare will follow.

  • Palm sync support (Score:3, Interesting)

    by aussie_a ( 778472 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:23PM (#9459205) Journal
    Does anyone know if it has e-mail palm sync support or just address book palm sync support?
  • by Jon Abbott ( 723 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @10:54PM (#9459385) Homepage
    Article subtitle:
    from the bigger-badder-lizards dept.

    Article text: Updates include smaller size...

    OK. Is it bigger or smaller? Inquiring minds need to know! :^)
  • by Trejkaz ( 615352 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @11:23PM (#9459580) Homepage

    "A new option to prevent sites from using JavaScript to block the browser's context menu."

    Hallelujah! Maybe eventually idiots will stop using this trick once they realise it isn't stopping anything. It would make my life so much easier.

  • Perhaps it'll distract enough people so I can finish rsyncing to the slackware server...

    (So far, no such luck... *sigh*)

    What is it with Slashdot? They can' stop dupe stories, they can't spell in the age of spell checkers, why did they suddenly decide to start reporting software releases in a (way too) timely manner?
  • Wow (Score:3, Interesting)

    by coyote4til7 ( 189857 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @11:29PM (#9459610) Homepage
    A lot of people on bit torrent. It took maybe 8 seconds to download.

    Under 1.7, for the first time ever slashdot.org _just appeared_. No waiting for everything to decide how big it is and where it wants to be. Nothing. Site just appeared. I tried a batch of them and almost everything rendered instantly with a second or two from return to in my face. Very cool. Since this is the OS X build, I'm dieing to see how fast the linux build is.

    Muhahaha! Take that creaky IE!
  • by invisik ( 227250 ) * on Friday June 18, 2004 @12:25AM (#9459899) Homepage
    Hey all,

    Been using 1.6 for a long time on Windows and I must say 1.7 is quite a bit faster in rendering pages. Have dual booted into SUSE 9.1 and installed 1.7 yet, but I'm hoping for the best. Kudos to the Mozilla team, and kudos again!

    -m
  • by swordgeek ( 112599 ) on Friday June 18, 2004 @12:27AM (#9459912) Journal
    I wanted an answer to a simple question, that I figured should be a FAQ. However, the FAQ link from the main page goes to the FAQs for...Mozilla 1.5!

    Does anyone EVER update this documentation? It's been Mozilla's biggest (and aside from the naming problems, only) problem.
  • by rsax ( 603351 ) on Friday June 18, 2004 @01:07AM (#9460181)
    Can someone point this out to me - perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. In Mozilla you can enable URL autocomplete so that while you type the url in the location bar it completes it as you go along. In Firefox it appears to work like IE - you type but it drops down a list of similar URLs and from there you have to hit TAB to choose the right one. Is there a way to make Firefox autocomplete like Mozilla does?
  • by MROD ( 101561 ) on Friday June 18, 2004 @05:29AM (#9461190) Homepage
    Why do the Mozilla team have a love of using Xprint as their printing engine?

    OK, in theory it's a nice idea but all the implementations I've come across are really dire.

    The Xprt servers are generally single threaded with performance which sucks rocks through straws, they often crash and in the end produce output which is hardly readable.

    Trying to use Xprt in a distributed, multi-user environment is, to put it mildly, challenging. Because of the single threaded nature of the X Consortium's implementation of the Xprt server it will only allow one client to connect and print at any one time, so whenever anyone prints they act as a denial of service attack for everyone else. Not only this, but even with the 3rd party package installed which makes the Solaris Xprt server actually work the output to printers is not exactly good, with letters running into each other and in random colours.

    Why can't Mozilla use one of the other, well debugged and functional print engines rather than the half-hearted and poorly implemented Xprint which has never worked properly since it was first implemented in X11R6?

    Sometimes it feels like the Mozilla developers are so focused on the idea that the only users of their product will be single-user, single desktop machines. Oh, yes, I forgot, that's what most of them are developing on.
  • CSS opacity!! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CosmicDreams ( 23020 ) on Friday June 18, 2004 @10:43AM (#9462919) Journal
    It appears that mozilla.org also supports [mozilla.org] opacity

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