Google Traffic Takes Down Web Site 414
bazonkers writes "Searchenginelowdown.com reports that it appears that the Google logo yesterday (honoring Gaston Julia) linked to the Google image search results for the words 'julia fractal'. The resulting traffic generated from clicking on that 'featured logo' incapacitated the servers of the top-listed images, hosted at an Australian university. This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead."
Yeah (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I love it (Score:5, Funny)
It could be argued that the only value left in slashdot is the ability to destroy entire webservers with a single post......
Re:I love it (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I love it (Score:5, Funny)
faster than a speeding popup...
more powerful than a Beowulf cluster of those...
able to destroy entire webservers with a single link..
Its Super Slashdot!
Sorry, Mr. Mxyzptlk made me do it. Cheers.
Simple... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I love it (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I love it (Score:4, Funny)
I got fucked (Someone who had a bad day at the courthhouse)
I got fucked (Someone who had a good day in the back seat of mom and dad's car)
We've been googled. (High School science olymipic team)
We've been googled. (www.state.ak.us web admins when Alaska turns 50 years old)
Slashdot Effect now (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Slashdot Effect now (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Slashdot Effect now (Score:5, Funny)
How fitting... This important work by Julia is all about recursion... :P
Re:Slashdot Effect now (Score:5, Funny)
What, like this? (Score:4, Informative)
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
(You're welcome.)
Slashdot Rubbernecking (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, the Irony.
First Google slashdots a site on recursive fractionated geometry, then the Slashdot editors invite the whole community to rubberneck.
Re:Slashdot Effect now (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Slashdot Effect now (Score:5, Funny)
Insult to Injury (Score:5, Funny)
Oh beautiful!
Let's add slashdot to our list of sites DDOSing us!
Wow, you Slashdot Editors like kicking people while they're down, huh?
And while we're at it, why not make the file redirect to www.sco.com? Oh wait... that's been done.
Damn (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Damn (Score:4, Funny)
Reading the article? You're new here, aren't you?
Re:Damn (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Interesting)
Much as I enjoy perusing information (and I do follow the links), this does raise a good question. Obviously, it's generally a good thing for a website to get traffic (usually, that's why the website's there), but are there moral implications for overloading a perfectly innocent site (fortunately, this site seems academic, so we aren't hurting business, per se)? Should we have a guilty conscience for bring down servers as wantonly as we do? I think not, as the Internet is open and free and who's going to stop us, but it's an interesting point they raise.
Reminds me of when I served at a restaurant and managers would complain when business was slow, but they'd get equally upset if a couple of buses pulled in and we were slammed with 100+ customers all at once. With so many customers, it was tough for us to give them good service, much less take good care of the customers we already had. I guess the exposure Google (and
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that somebody can stop you is not what makes something bad.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying bringing down servers is a horrible thing, I'm just saying your argument sucks.
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Insightful)
I think not, as the Internet is open and free and who's going to stop us, but it's an interesting point they raise.
Technically speaking, there are a lot of immoral things that nobody is going to stop you from doing. If a kid hits their ball in your yard, you can just keep the gate locked and throw the ball in the trash. Doesn't mean it's right (unless they're doing it just to irritate you or something).
Some netizens don't like to admit the fact, but there is a certain level of responsibility that you need to have to partake in the Internet. Everyone is expected to do their fair share to keep things running, but a lot of people shirk that and just run rampant over everyone else. From networks bogged down by bandwidth hogs stealing movies and music to spammers to Slashdot, some people insist on just wantonly snatching everything they can grab and running for the hills.
Is anyone going to stop you? No, of course not. However, after awhile, you'll be left with nothing else to grab because nobody will see any value in providing anything for anyone else. Make it a hassle for people to give you stuff for free, and they just won't give it to you anymore.
Pizza Overload (Score:5, Insightful)
Did they call in advance? Did they ask permission to swamp us? Did we redirect them out the door and decline their order? Of course not. Variability in demand is a part of business.
The same goes for the half-dozen toys that Time Magazine says are the hot Christmas items, which suddenly disappear from the shelves. Should shoppers be restricted from buying them in order to maintain a few on the shelves?
Suddenly popular websites have the same consequence to the consumer - unavailability of supply. People find alternatives, come back later, etc.
So am I missing something dramatically new here?
Re:Pizza Overload (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, actually - the Internet doesn't fit into the typical capitalist mold. The web fits fairly well now that marketroids have utterly mangled it, but the Internet as a whole doesn't, and certainly nice resources that are offering free information don't.
It would be more analgous to someone pinning up a "free food" flyer all over town for a soup kitchen and all sorts of people flooding the place whether they need to or not. On top of that, there are a lot of Slashdot readers here, myself soon to be included, who could easily mirror content to help divert some of the load. It wouldn't take that much extra effort to have people sign up to post mirrors of sites or to post a Google cache, etc. instead of just crushing some poor guy's webserver who just wanted to share a spiffy project he did with the world. Slashdotting some poor guy who did something neat just because nobody could be bothered to ask someone to set up a mirror is just plain rotten - ESPECIALLY when THEY'RE footing the bill and getting no return.
Re:Pizza Overload (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Insightful)
Good point, and I agree with your post, but I think it goes deeper than that. Here we have two big internet engines (Google and Slashdot) piling hits on small research servers that can't take them. You can make the case that this is the net equivalent of a major corporation dumping toxic waste -- or some similar "big guy dumps on little guy" analogy. In your example, throwing out the ball is likely to get your house egged. But what leverage do you have to force Slashdot to be a good net citizen? Arguably very little.
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, boo hoo. Any webmaster worthy of that title would have anticipated this possibility, and done something to handle it. Options range from using mod_bandwidth [cohprog.com] (or similar tools at the firewall level) to finely control how many people can access the server at once, to using a script to block any specific referrer once they send you 10000+ hits in one day (or redirect them to everyone's favorite site). Better yet, set up a Google adwords account beforehand and become a millionaire off the Google-dotting.
This won't stop the server from getting hammered with requests, but it will help significantly, as each request will be limited to however many bytes it takes to drop a TCP connection.
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:5, Insightful)
The Kipper and the Corpse: (Score:5, Funny)
Miss Gatsby: You're very cheerful this morning, Mr Fawlty.
Basil: (cheerfully) Yes, well one of the guests has just died.
(Polly slaps Miss Tibbs, who folds up and falls to the floor)
Basil: (to Polly) Oh, spiffing! Absolutely spiffing. Well done! Two dead, twenty five to go.
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Insult to Injury (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry, but as someone who's experienced several slashdottings, I can attest to the fact that a Slashdotting can be a pain to manage on it's own. It's always fun, but it sometimes takes a lot of work to keep things going. Considering that these folks had just gotten buried by Google searchers, it seems like kind of a dic
Obligatory... (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder how you abbreviate that (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I wonder how you abbreviate that (Score:3, Informative)
Oh mighty Google... (Score:5, Informative)
Google should have written their own article explaining why they decided that Gaston Julia was worthy of being honored. Instead, they simply supplied a suggested search query and passed the curious users to sites who weren't expecting the rush... if Google had asked, I'm sure they would have been able to get an academic to write a decent page to satisfy the curious users, but Google seems to have underestimated the power they have...
Just look at Wikipedia (Score:3, Informative)
Hey Rock! (Score:5, Funny)
[Servers exploding in Australia]
Oops! Looks like I don't know m'own strenth!
Re:Hey Rock! (Score:3, Funny)
Bullwinkle says the above intro phrase followed by raching deep into his hat and pulls out a 3D rendering of one of the Julias. Along with it is an ethernet cable with a small server dangling from it stamped with the URL. Dangling from the server is... the power cord. And of course the server is smoking and has sparks flying from it. Then Bullwinkle makes the punchline.
Re:Oh mighty Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
FYI, whenever they run a commemorative logo, it only points to a search on that subject (because they're a search engine..., get it?)
Re:Oh mighty Google... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Oh mighty Google... (Score:4, Informative)
Somehow, this is also what makes Google so great. They do not abuse their power. They just make things as simple as possible. Google is actualy no one and everyone all at once. Their "editorial" is what the world thinks of the fractal -- not what Google thinks of it.
Personnaly, their omnipresence everywhere combined to their absence in what they provide is the reason why I use and preach Google.
Of course... (Score:4, Funny)
Smooth.
Should Google try to convert its traffic to money? (Score:5, Interesting)
Google's clearly taking the high road by making their home page an ad-page zone. I wonder how long that's going to last after the IPO and by definition, profit-hungry interests (such as your 401k plan) get control of the company.
Re:Should Google try to convert its traffic to mon (Score:5, Insightful)
Because that would be the first step down the slipperly slope into a full blown portal with weather, news, horoscopes, blah, blah, blah.
Keep it clean and simple, or they will no longer be the number one
Re:Should Google try to convert its traffic to mon (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Should Google try to convert its traffic to mon (Score:5, Insightful)
But then, would it still be Google?
Re:Should Google try to convert its traffic to mon (Score:3, Insightful)
Full text (Score:5, Informative)
Using Google?
Looking for images of quaternion fractals?
On the 3rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed. The reason was traced to Google introducing a fractal looking logo (see below), which when clicked, performed an image search for "julia" and "fractal". The two most interesting resulting images on the top row of the list were on this page (or rather the page that was here).
[Image used without permission from Google]
In order to get this server functional again, the pages that were here have been moved somewhere else. It shouldn't be too hard to find them if you really want to, do a Google search for "Quaternion fractal" or if you would like to create your own Quaternion fractals try POVRay.
Please note that this is not a criticism of Google but rather an interesting dimension to the power they wield. They have hundreds (thousands?) of servers worldwide that distribute their traffic load. If even a small percentage of that traffic is directed to a single server.....what chance does it have?
Questions: Should Google ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server? Should they regulate traffic to individual sites/pages by changing the order of the search results?
Happy searching!
Google giveth
and Google taketh away
Blessed is Google?
[Roger Bagula]
Using my time machine .... (Score:5, Funny)
Browsing Slashdot?
Looking for the page complaining about Google?
On the 4rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed. The reason was traced to Slashdot(see image below) posting an article about a webpage about Google posting an image about fractals, which when clicked accessed our web page. The link went directly to a page about google (or rather the page that was here).
[Image used without permission from Slashdot]
In order to get this server functional again, the page that was here has been moved somewhere else. It shouldn't be too hard to find it if you really want to, do a Google search for "Using google fractal" or if you would like to complain more about google try googlewatch [googlewatch.com].
Please note that this is not a criticism of Slashdot or nerd but rather an interesting dimension to the power they wield. They have hundreds (thousands?) of members worldwide that distribute their traffic load. If even a small percentage of that traffic is directed to a single server.....what chance does it have?
Questions: Should Slashdot ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server? Should they regulate traffic to individual sites/pages by allowing accesses by karma? Why do so few of them have girlfriends?
Happy slashdotting!
Slashdot nerdeth
and Google geeketh away
Blessed is the dork?
Re:Using my time machine .... (Score:3, Interesting)
Using Google? (Reading Slashdot? The followup story)
Looking for images of quaternion fractals?
On the 3rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed. The reason was traced to Google introducing a fractal looking logo (see below), which when clicked, performed an image search for "julia" and "fractal". The two most interesting resulting images on the top row of the list were on this page (or ra
Re:Full text (Score:3, Interesting)
Why does the author ask those questions?
There's no facility on that page to respond, so it implies these questions are rhetorical -- leading to answers that are more favorable to the ill-prepared website.
My response to these questions follow, if anyone's interested.
No. If you don't want google to index your site, set up facilities to prevent it. Google shouldn't be held accounta
International bandwidth crunch? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:International bandwidth crunch? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:International bandwidth crunch? (Score:4, Funny)
I'm a little small *down there*. But I'm not that small.....
Re:International bandwidth crunch? (Score:4, Informative)
There's not alot of connections to Australia but they're reasonably fast. The Southern Cross cable, for example, has three pairs each capable of 160Gbps.
The Uni might have had 1Gbps
Re:International bandwidth crunch? (Score:3, Informative)
The Uni might have had 1Gbps
I think we have even more than that. It wasn't the link that was the trouble. The poor server is a lowly alpha 500AU (IIRC, my ssh session is tailing the logs, but it seems I can't get bash swapped back in to run a uname -a). Our connections are fine from the department to the outside world and vice-versa.
The trouble is, this
Surprising (Score:5, Interesting)
Can we set up a competition? Can it be measured? (Score:5, Insightful)
What's more dangerous to your bandwidth - top link on a google doodle or a slashdotting?
Re:Can we set up a competition? Can it be measured (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot vs. Google [googlefight.com] - Winner: Google
Slashdotted vs. Googled [googlefight.com] - Winner: Googled
Clearly, Google is superior and far more dangerous.
New service: Google CachePlus? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:New service: Google CachePlus? (Score:3, Informative)
News flash (Score:5, Funny)
Could google slashdot slashdot? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Could google slashdot slashdot? (Score:3, Interesting)
Changing the picture (Score:3, Interesting)
If not, there are a various protections you can use to prevent the image being shown on another server (using the referrer is one, not particularly robust/compatible method) Many free websites use this method.
If google doesn't store the thumbnail, then it is not the google servers hammering them (as the site claims) but all the users doing the search. Thus it is irrelevant of how many servers google has.
pretty cool response they had (Score:5, Insightful)
Some people understand that the purpose of a university (or any educator really) is to provoke thought and to impart knowledge and information. But also to let the end user (usually a student) draw their own conclusions.
The way the page is phrased makes me think that the person behind it - even supposing I didn't know he works with fractals - is one cool guy and probably a really awesome professor.
This was partially my fault. (Score:5, Insightful)
I wondered why they didn't just return random results from the first 20-30 pages of links. That would have seemed more respectful to the poor bastards running sites off freebie dial-up and university hosting accounts.
Because that's not Google's job (Score:3, Interesting)
Part of posting content on a totally public, accessible forum like the Internet is teh knowledge that the big boys may take intrest in you at some point. You need to accept and deal with that. I've had servers I own or maintained hit by a lot of people before
Farked too (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Farked too (Score:5, Funny)
Cough up some money fast or... (Score:3, Funny)
Looks like google doesn't need an IPO, after all
This proves it. (Score:5, Funny)
C'mon you geeks! Take off those pocket protectors and put on the gloves! Google's callin' you out!
Just the leftovers caused me trouble (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been slashdotted four times or so before, so I know what it's like. The server handled it just fine, it was the connection that was the trouble.
I'm glad that the initial onslaught is over, but I'm still seeing elevated traffic levels, and probably will for a few days. This is normal for any kind of slashdotting.
Boob search (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Boob search (Score:3, Funny)
Google's logo back to default (Score:3, Interesting)
IMO Google should institute a policy for links such as these; they should link to their own google cached versions, perhaps caching any other content such as images as well, instead of linking to the "featured" site.
The least they should do is warn the site of potential megatraffic. Anything less could be seen as slightly irresponsible on the part of google. However, it could also be they don't really realize how much power they really wield. Are there any google employees who read slashdot that can comment?
Re:Google's logo back to default (Score:4, Informative)
My site was "Cthuugled", too (Score:5, Interesting)
At 8:00 a.m. EST, my Mom IM'd me at school to tell me that the Internet as slow at home. At 9:00, my friend who uses my wiki told me that he had been letting it load for about an hour and it wasn't loading. The Xbox-Linux project's wiki [unmodded.mine.nu] also is hosted on my server, and it was inaccessible.
All these web sites are hosted on my little Linux box in my basement, on my parents' cable-modem with 40 KB/s up to the Internet. What happened to me was that the Google logo, linking to the image search for "julia fractals", had my friend Jonathan's site as the top hit. (The exact hit was this page [mathjmendl.org].)
The page was all-but inaccessible, as was my server. I eventually SSH'd in, copied the files to my JHU web hosting space, and set up an Apache redirect to serve the files from there [jhu.edu]. JHU (my university) has a pretty big pipe, I've learned over the years I've been here. :-).
I mentioned this in a blog entry [jhu.edu] I made on the topic. It seems that now the search finds some other first hit, the .edu.au site mentioned in the story. Perhaps that's because my server was "Cthuugled" (eaten alive by Google, that is), and no one could reach the first link for so many hours.
Linkage (Score:4, Funny)
*clicks on the link*
*waits*
*for awhile*
Oh, the irony...
A matter of perspective (Score:4, Insightful)
On the other hand, you could say that it benefited the owners of the site. After all, people were interested enough in fractals and/or Julia (or just the picture they saw), to follow up and seek out more information. Isn't the purposes of those sites to provide information to people interested in fractals?
Chances are, people who found the sites down will follow up the same links today or tomorrow to read more about fractals. Ultimately, it will increase traffic (and interest) to those sites. Thats's a good thing.
Deathmatch (Score:5, Funny)
patent (Score:3, Funny)
who needs the slashdot effect? (Score:3, Funny)
Gurgle (Score:3, Interesting)
Looks like Google sent a server Gaga and it went down the Gurgler..
Now if they were TRUELY smart, they'd have used those hits, IP addresses and timestamps as random seed for some internet fractal art! Oops, shouldnt have suggested that - somebody will probably get rich off it.. *shrug*
-- Jim (If it sounds crazy, it probably is!)
Google stresses our server weekly (Score:5, Interesting)
We're on a wireless Internet connection due to severe lack of affordable Internet out here in the country, and they want to limit us to 30GB per month. I hate to complain to Google because we do get a lot of new customers from Google searches.
So instead of Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
High Traffic-banner ads? (Score:3, Interesting)
I found the above statement from his web site interesting.
Here is an idea. How about developing some code that only kicks in banner ads when hits go above a certain rate. This could help mitigate the costs of above average traffic, while keeping your site banner free for normal situations.
All customized Google logos... (Score:5, Informative)
I especially like the logo for Einstein's birthday (see March 14, 2003).
- shadowmatter
suggestion to google (Score:4, Insightful)
Mega Proxies (Score:3, Interesting)
Is your ISP forcing you to use a cache????
So what is this called? (Score:3, Funny)
i know the feeling... (Score:3, Interesting)
Suddenly it's not that great anymore if you have a high ranking on google and other search engines...
ohwell... since sunday we've probably become a "adult oriented" site anyway (the way americans see it). I'm even starting to get personal mails from people offering me free adult hosting
Ricardo.
Re:Where's Google Cache? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What's wrong with that guys nose? (Score:3, Informative)
In one operation on a stormy, cold night he had suffered a severe injury and thus lost his nose. After many unsuccessful operations to remedy the situation, he was forced to wear a leather strap around the area where his nose was for the rest of his life.
Re:*sigh* (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:*sigh* (Score:5, Informative)
Google is opt-in. If you don't want to be indexed, don't be.
Ew... that's spammer talk. Google complies with robots.txt, but that's an opt-out signal. Those with no robots.txt are presumed to want to be listed. A true opt-in system would require an affirmative robots.txt before Google spiders a site... which isn't the reality.
Re:Wrong? no! (Score:5, Insightful)
People put things on their sites, so people can see, but most folks don't want everyone to see.
I have pictures of my newborn boy on the web. I want certain people to see these pics but would prefer no one else.
What options do I have? Password protect them? Not realistic.
Rather, I figure no one is interested in these pics so no one will bother.
But many times slashdot posts a article knowing it will kill the site. Not very nice in my book.
Re:Terminology (Score:5, Informative)
He called it 'googleblatted'.
In honor of Douglas Adams (and his infamous Bugblatter Beast of Traal), I propose this become the official term for being blatted by google