BeOS Max Edition v3.0 Released 268
JigSaw writes "After Be went down, 2-3 "distros" of BeOS 5 PE (the free version of BeOS) were created and continued making releases by literally tweaking the internals, patching the kernel etc. in order to bring BeOS up to speed with new hardware. Additionally, these distros include lots of third party software. BeOS Max Edition is the most popular of the bunch, and version v3.0 came out today. The BFS ISO installs in its own BFS partition, however it requires a bit of attention in the way you have to burn it."
Could they update it otherwise? (Score:2, Funny)
Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, but you're posting on slashdot, it's not like you were probably going to be doing anything with your junk anytime soon anyway.
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:5, Funny)
Fortunately, a few years of clicking Slashdot links develops one's window closing reflexes to a superhuman level.
BTW, I like the "Informative" you got...
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
jeeeeeez..... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:jeeeeeez..... (Score:2)
angel'o'sphere
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
Oh, wait - this is Opera, I switched to User mode. Does wonders for your eyes.
Re:Aaah! My Eyes!! (Score:2)
BeOS (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:BeOS (Score:4, Informative)
It was sad.
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:4, Informative)
Read this http://www.nblug.org/pipermail/talk/2002-June/001
BeOS isn't FreeBSD?!?!?!? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:BeOS isn't FreeBSD?!?!?!? (Score:3, Informative)
Be INC. killed the BeOS.
Be is dead, so is the BeOS.
Which sucks because I have a fucking BeBox sitting in my closet.
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
So there
Re:BeOS and POSIX (Score:2, Informative)
That's the single biggest issue in porting POSIX applications to BeOS and also the hardest to fix.
Re:BeOS and POSIX (Score:3, Informative)
There are also countless other little things that irked me coming from a UNIX background and trying to use BeOS' shell. Their POSIX layer basically implements the bare minimum to get bash and the GNU sh-utils running, and very littl
Soo... (Score:3)
We havent heard much about it..
Re:Soo... (Score:3, Informative)
Anyway, to answer your question: it's still coming along, slowly but surely. They're releasing updated components (most recently new versions of the tracker and the audio mixer). There was a newsletter [sourceforge.net] a fortnight ago.
I don't know how usable OBOS is though. They don't seem to say on their site, and I really can't be bothered with installing it until it runs Photoshop.
Re:Soo... (Score:2)
Right now it is not usable at all, if you don't count using their released replacement code/apps inside for example, BeOS MAX v3.
As far as I can tell from reading the mailing list and newsletters, there is a lot that has been done, but there is also still a lot of more things to do, before we can download a bootable ISO of OpenBeOS r1.
Re:Soo... (Score:2)
Their primary goal is an OS that is binary and source compatible with BeOS 5 (there might have been some exceptions for network code), so it's going to be a while. But since that is their goal they can use actual BeOS modules in place of the unfinished parts.
Attention: There is a typo in the burning file (Score:2, Informative)
On the line where it refers to the iso image, it reads:
FILE "BeOS5PEMaxEditionV3b3.iso" BINARY
It should say:
FILE "BeOS5PEMaxEdiionV3.iso" BINARY
It's easy to change this in an editor, and so you don't have to wait for the re-release and download it all over again.
Re:Attention: There is a typo in the burning file (Score:2)
Is there a typo in your correction of the typo?
Jolyon
BeOS (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:BeOS (Score:4, Insightful)
Regarding your question why would anyone...? Hell 'cause they want to, 'cause they fell like doing it, 'cause they like the OS.
Don't dismiss people's efforts and projects because in your narrow mind you don't find a use for whatever they are doing?
Linux would not exist if everyone would think in such a near sighted terms.
Re:BeOS (Score:2, Interesting)
1. Microkernel architecture
2. < 20s boot time (compared to nearly 30s for XP on the same computer)
3. Nearly complete POSIX layer (save pthreads, *sob*)
4. Fantastic SMP
For pratctical use, Be is useful as a soft-realtime OS.
The POSIX layer, combined with a fairly clean user interface API, combined with the decent development tools, make it a nice platform to develop on.
Really, it's a great OS to play with. Try it. You'll be amazed at how little it takes to run a graphical OS that's excee
Re:BeOS (Score:2, Interesting)
And as for the best features of BeOS living on in Linux...I wouldn't hold my breath. It's apples and oranges. BeOS is NOT a UNIX an
Re:BeOS (Score:4, Interesting)
is there that much that can be done with the OS?
BeOS is incredibly well written for all manner of multimeda activities.
BeOS does shiny graphics and shiny sound, really, really well.
Microsoft seem to be an admirable job of making minor tweaks to their
OS user interface, and convincing everyone that its some completely new thing.
Why can't OpenBeOS do that too?
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
It's their choice. They could be out flying ultralights or customizing cars instead (and in some ways your question is like "Why refurbish that 56 Chevy?"), but they choose to make an Open Source BeOS clone instead, or whatever. (Some folks I know are working on getting TCP/IP going on the Tandy CoCo 3. Why not? If nothing else, I can then ftp my CoCo's
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
As for TCP/IP support, commodore even made a tcp stack for it, called AS2525 or something... hardly anyone used it, opting instead for third party stacks, but it was there...
Re:BeOS (Score:2)
Burning it... (Score:5, Funny)
What? You can only burn it in the night of February 29/March 1 when it's a full moon, the CD is plated with mithril, the burner in sanctified with the blood of a virgin and Duke Nukem Forever is released? When you burn it, might it cause a rip in time or a quantum instability?
Man, BeOS is some scary stuff. I can imagine reading about it in the newspaper already... "Kid installs BeOS, blows up universe. God sues for damages."
Re:Burning it... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, at least the virgin blood should be easy to come by here on Slashdot.
Re:Burning it... (Score:4, Funny)
Sorry, I can't help anymore. Shoulda asked me before I turned 33.
Re:Burning it... (Score:2)
Yeah, but the sheer amount of cholesterol and fat floating about in the blood would mean you'd need to spread it with a pie server.
Re:Burning it... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Burning it... (Score:2)
Just curious, but (Score:2, Interesting)
Why should you have to jump through hoops to burn anything for the PC these days?
Re:Just curious, but (Score:4, Informative)
Many of you have asked us to create ISO images for BeOS Installations. This article comes to clear out some misconceptions about BeOS Installations.
BeOS images are ISO images. But not ISO Images in the sense Windows sees them. Those ISO contain FAT32 or FAT16 compliant filesystems. ISO9660 compliant is a FAT32 system. BeOS uses BeFS which is a 64bit journaling filesystem that stores a lot of the file info in different places such as Attributes. If we where to create an installation of BeOS using a classic ISO image (one that can be read by IsoBuster) it wouldn't Install !!!! If you copied files out of it to BeOS, some of them would be useless.
Installation of BeOS requires BeFS Images. THAT'S IT.
And we won't fix it. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
NOTE: YOU CAN ASK THE COMPANIES THAT CREATE ISOBUSTER AND WINIMAGE TO SUPPORT BeFS.
-joe
Re:Just curious, but (Score:3, Informative)
Their explanation is that system files lose meta-data when their install image is converted to an ISO9660 compliant filesystem.
Seems simple enough.
Support for modern hardware yet? (Score:5, Interesting)
Is BeOS still stuck in the gcc 2.95 world due to c++ libraries?
At one time, I cared. BeOS could have beaten OSX to the punch. It could have been a kick-a$$ multimedia box.
Now, though, aside from the coolness factor of it being yet another OS that runs on Intel hardware, what exactly does BeOS have that makes it a desirable platform for users? Or put more succintly, Is there anything in BeOS that is not available in Linux?
Re:Support for modern hardware yet? (Score:4, Insightful)
A decent user interface?
Yes, yes, troll -1 I know. I'm normally a Mac OS X user and developer. I know about GNOME and I know about KDE and I use both of them (GNOME 2.4, even) on my Linux box. They still cannot hold a candle to Mac OS X or BeOS for consistency and overall polish. Also, BeOS is much easier to code for. (Nothing is as good as Cocoa -- and GNUstep isn't quite there yet.)
I do expect this to change over time. GNOME is almost there; it needs a few more really solid releases and a decent set of supporting tools, and probably a few more major architectural revisions. Right now, however, the prospect of running BeOS instead of Linux on my PC is one that excites me: an environment I actually might enjoy living in on my PC? Bring it on!
Re:Support for modern hardware yet? (Score:2)
Untrue. Be refused to be bought for less than $150 million, which Apple thought was too high. Instead, they bought Next for $450 million. And rest is crappy lickable history.
Re:Support for modern hardware yet? (Score:2)
Great for the old boxes. (Score:3, Informative)
YellowTAB [yellowtab.com] is creating the next incarnation of BeOS code named Zeta, which essentially R6. It should upgrade driver support for the newest hardware releases. Unfortunately a free edition looks doubtful.
Re:Great for the old boxes. (Score:2)
i just had to waste my 50d uptime on it to install another gfx card and some more memory. it's main usage is a mp3 player box + irc(with occasional web browsing, my mouse on that computer sucks though so i don't browse too much with it), so it gets used pretty constantly when i'm at home anyways.
and fyi it's not r6, since they acquired the rights(or some rights, i don't know the catches) to r5 codebase(not the codebase that was su
BeOS -- the undead OS (Score:2, Funny)
The trouble with the BeOS was always hardware support. It was a thing of beauty (fast and pretty) when you got everything going, and it could do really cool stuff. Without the kind of heavy duty developer support that other operating systems have it couldn't run on all the latest and greatest hardware though.
That didn't stop me from using it in a dual boot system until after the company went out of business though. Damn shame.
Re:BeOS -- the undead OS (Score:2, Flamebait)
BeOS logo (Score:4, Funny)
It looks to me like a guy with a headache or a cartoon 'swirl of confusion' above his head.
It makes me think that using Be would be a frustrating experience.
For those that missed the story few weeks ago... (Score:3, Interesting)
Slashdot didn't pick up the story [macworld.co.uk] when it happened a couple of weeks ago, but Be, Inc. has settled its antitrust suit against Microsoft for $23 million. [beincorporated.com] Microsoft, as usual, admitted no wrongdoing in the settlement.
Readers may recall that Be brought their suit against the Microsoft back in February 2002. [slashdot.org] At the time this suit was brought, it was becoming obvious that the US government's antitrust suit against Microsoft was not going to result in any significant punishment for the convicted monopolist, and in fact time has borne this out -- Microsoft is arguably more powerful today than ever before.
Some observers felt Be's claims that Microsoft's vendor contracts excluded competitors from the market was a stronger case than the browser bundling aspect that the US department of justice pursued, but in the end it seems that Be no longer had the resources to complete the trial.
With the Be lawsuit abandoned, the best hopes for a remedy to the Microsoft monopoly now seem to be in the European courts, or with a possible regime change in the USA in 2005.
Microsoft may have gotten away with murder, but at least we've got people nursing the corpse along, as stories like the current one illustrate. *sigh*
Re:For those that missed the story few weeks ago.. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:For those that missed the story few weeks ago.. (Score:2)
Wheeeee (Score:2)
This page has been accessed 35611 times since July 26th, 2003
90% in the last hour probably
Wait
Sorry BeOS Max guys
I'll get my coat.
Goodness Gracious!!! (Score:2)
Could the BeosMax website [beosmax.org] be any harder on the eyes?
Remember when BeOS was for Macs, whose users tend to be artistic? Guess that's not the case now that it's an Intel OS, eh?
Remember when...? (Score:2)
Actually, I remember farther back, when Be made its own hardware, the BeBox (which Be, Inc. president Jean Louis Gassee called the "Amiga for the 90's"). It was a dual processor PowerPC machine which was designed to accept PCI and ISA cards originally made for the x86 PC world. This was back when Be's original slogan was "One processor per person is not enough!"
I started working for
BeOS: The dev machine! (Score:2)
BeOS AbiWord Port (Score:5, Informative)
Re:BeOS AbiWord Port (Score:3, Informative)
Re:BeOS AbiWord Port (Score:2)
This is almost the 3rd or 4th time we tell we are about to ditch BeOS support. And we have gone thru BeOS "authorized" information source to announce it. The problem with BeOS is that there is almost no developer, and the few that still do some BeOS development don't have a clue about the real interest of Open Source.
Mini FAQ on BeOS (Score:5, Insightful)
(1) You'd be surprised how much hardware is supported by BeOS, Athlon XP CPUS, P4s, firewire cards, SCSIs, Magneto Optical, scanners, etc. If it's not natively seen, www.bebits.com (as well as bedrivers.com) is the place to go.
(2) BeOS is a refreshing change of pace from the "Big Brother" of Windows, the "Here's a million bits, put them together yourself" of Linux or the "Our way, the only way" of Apple. BeOS relies on the "less is more" viewpoint. Software packages range in the hundereds of k, as opposed to the hundereds of megs in size, yet still do what they need to do.
(3) I have yet to see a GUI is clean, useful and *consistant* as BeOS.
(4) It just works.
(5) The user base is friendly, enthusiastic and you won't get any of the typical *nix attitudes of "lamer" or "rtfm" in the BeOS user forums.
Re:Mini FAQ on BeOS (Score:2)
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed BeOS and got pretty enthused about it but I found that it didn't network worth beans and the list of good cards supported was wanting. I'd like to think that it's come along since then. Has it?
Oh and for my money I'll take the "Our way, the only way" Apple approach. I have
Re:Mini FAQ on BeOS (Score:2)
No really I want to know, I tried beos 4 (maybe 5) and liked the UI, but it just didn't have hardware support and Be the company does not exist. 6) What about openbeos? Where do they fit into the BeOS picture??
Re:Mini FAQ on BeOS (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, don't expect to see Palm-Be For Desktops thou. Palm bought Be for the excellent engineers the code was a by product. Bits might make it into PalmX.
> 2) Was BeOS closed source or was it open sourced?
BeOS is closed source. However a few other versions have no appeared tring to remake BeOS.
At lest two closed source (Max, and YellowTAB [yellowtab.com])
At lest two open source, OpenBeOS [openbeos.org], based on a brand spanky new kernal, and redeveloped from scrach. And BlueEyedOS [blueeyedos.com], based on Linux.
>
Re:Mini FAQ on BeOS (Score:3, Funny)
You'd be surprised how much hardware is supported by BeOS, Athlon XP CPUS, P4s, ...
Wow! An x86-oriented operating system supports x86-compatible CPUs? This is revolutionary!
BeOS MAXXX Edition. (Score:2)
Re:BeOS MAXXX Edition. (Score:2)
Wow. Spooky. (Score:3, Funny)
Now I must publicly proclaim that there is a God, he loves me, and furthermore, doesn't want me to run Windows - as we all suspected! Praise the Lord! It's a sign!
Now if only I'd listened to Him when he told me to sell Nortel in early 2000...
why are all the new "distros" diffs against PE? (Score:2)
Is there a way around this?
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:4, Interesting)
Which may sound like a troll, but actually I'd love that. BeOS is everything I used to love about AmigaOS, and loads more besides. Seriously, if anyone out there hasn't tried it, I really do urge you to give it a whirl. It's (IMO) what MacOS X should have been.
(No apps, of course. Ho hum.)
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:2)
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:2)
NeXT was really great, but was not quite as user friendly as the consumer would have liked, but Apple was able to take an already well developed architechture, and without too much blood and sweat, create a truly beautiful (in my opinion) interface. I truly think
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:3, Insightful)
Popularity is not the same as quality.
A few minutes ago, I knew nothing about BeOS except that it was an OS. But the fundemantals of the BeOS sounds very nice indeed.
So, why dont you care about BeOS?
Lack of apps? hm?!
I suppose you are the kind of person that didnt care about Linux 3 years ago.
"FreeBSD is dying, BeOS is dead, MacOS is dying" - please shut up! it only applys if you think the single CPU-arch + single OS model is a great thing. Free Software is not
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:2)
Lack of apps? hm?!
I suppose you are the kind of person that didnt care about Linux 3 years ago.
With all my sympathy towards your general stance, I can't help but pointing out that BeOS actually started its history a year _before_ Linux (for BeOS it's 1990, for Linux it's 1991). Look what progress Linux has made from the historical first post (damn, the very presence of this character string guarantees me a mod down!) made by Linus in 1991 to comp.os.minix (you know, the
Re:Nobody cares about BeOS (Score:2)
Lack of apps? hm?!
Bingo. I know that the official slashdot view is that the _only_ reason to have an OS is to brag about uptime. (Big deal. My old Windows 98 can stay up for months too, if I don't run anything on it.)
But for the rest of us, you see, it's the apps that matter. The _only_ reason to have a computer, and an OS on it, is to run the software I need or just want.
I suppose you are the kind of person that didnt care about Linux 3 years ago.
Yes, in fact, I'm
Re:CDRTools Windows (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:CDRTools Windows (Score:3, Informative)
Re:CDRTools Windows (Score:2)
Was also trying to be helpful as the crashing problem is a bad/no aspi layer in his version of windows.
Re:CDRTools Windows (Score:2)
You didn't warn us that it's ADDICTIVE!!!
whoa. just kidding.
Re:IT'S TIME FOR THE MICROSOFT SKULL FUCK!!!!! (Score:2)
Re:Advantages (Score:2)
It's chief disadvantage?
It has a complete lack of history and cruft.
People want evolution, not revolution, no matter what they say.
KFG
Re:Argh! (Score:2)
Re:Argh! (Score:3, Informative)
Heard of the Roland UA100, IZT Radar 24 & th S (Score:2)
There maybe Mac drivers for the Edirol/Roland UA100 but I doubt the Radar 24 & the SX-1 are Mac compatible, seeing these intigrated autio editors were built from the ground up to use BeOS as their OS. Getting Mac OSX to work on either of them would be nearly as hard as porting some hospital machine that uses QNX to MacOSX