Google's New Calendar CL2 250
pvt_medic writes "Google is apparently working on its own calendar (CL2) program to integrate with Gmail. The closed beta is ongoing with about 200 participants - people involved are not allowed to invite outsiders to see the calendar and are under strict rules not to share any details with outsiders. Here are some leaked photos of the CL2."
Wild Guess (Score:5, Insightful)
The original host appears to be down (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Too much stuff (Score:5, Insightful)
What web site do you use for search, by the way?
Re:Too much stuff (Score:2, Informative)
Google isn't the only game in town and isn't necessarily the best. I've been using Yahoo mostly and Google when I need to search newsgroups. I use A9 a couple of times a day (yes, I know the results come from Google) to get the Amazon discount.
Recently, though, I've been using Windows Live [live.com]...the UI is outstanding (no more pages...just one continuous scroll through all the results - I expect to see Google adopt it) and the results are very good. I close a
Re:Too much stuff (Score:5, Interesting)
Some of this stuff requires fairly complicated techniques from the realm of research.
Need an example. Get the calendar to sufficiently put a short summary of everything that's going on in its cells by extracting that data from your email.
Re:Too much stuff (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Too much stuff (Score:3, Insightful)
When I first went to non-technical friends about Google Talk they all said they wouldn't switch to it, they already had AOL.
I use it in Gaim, and when friends log on to get thier mail in Gmail, I can talk to them. It's proven very helpful.
Instead of taking the other IM companies on head on, they're going for a smarter approach.
Re:Too much stuff (Score:5, Informative)
Google Talk is a full Jabber app, but with voice added as well. XMPP alone should increase its rankings as a good app.
The interface is clean, simple, uncluttered and very straight forward and easy to use. The integration with Gmail is far and away the best Web conversion I have ever seen of any IM client. MSN Webmessenger and the web version of Yahoo! Messenger are no where near close to being as good as the Gmail Chat version of Google Talk.
Then consider that any Jabber network can chat with people using Google Talk. If you are connected via jabber.org (or any other Jabber network) you can chat with gtalk users just by adding them to your list. Don't need to use any extra protocols or plugins.
Then consider the future proofing of using XMPP over creating yet another IM protocol. XMPP is exceptionally modular and the clients talk to the servers in exactly the same language that the servers talk to each other in. So adding new services/features on the server side won't always require a client upgrade. Not to mention that XMPP is unburdened by patent issues and the license is pretty damn good by most people's opinion.
Also consider connecting with the other networks. Google will be able to easily implement the shared connection with AOL simply because all thats required is a plugin on the server side. The client wouldn't need to be upgraded. If in future MSN and Yahoo! decide to stop trying to hedge their share of the IM pie, communication with their networks would also be exceptionally easy.
Jabber has a huge following in the corporate environment. Businesses like it because they can control it to meet their own policies. This is also especially true of financial organisations. Now those organisations can extend their network to chat with Google Talk connected clients/partners/associates without having to give up that control internally.
Google Talk is a fantastic step in the right direction and the fact that Google even donated libjingle to the Jabber community as a whole means that everyone has gotten something beneficial out of it. I don't doubt Google will offer more in the future too.
And none of this mentions the fact that even though Google is very much an advertising company, there is no advertising at all in the Google Talk client. Not even Microsoft, AOL or Yahoo! can make that claim. They're not even primarily advertising companies in the way Google is.
Google Talk is more than just a simple or bland client. I gave up using all others when it was released simply because of how clean the interface is. I don't need graphical smilies or useless animations in my chats. They don't convey anything I cant achieve with old school text emoticons in the first place.
I logged in to MSN Messenger the other day for the first time in a long while. I wanted to send a message to my cousin in a different city who doesn't use Gmail. I was absolutely taken back by how cluttered the interface is. So many features of no value at all. Many of which can't even be turned off. Not to mention how bulky the interface just 'felt'. It was like going from a sports car back to a family sedan.
No thanks. I'll take Google Talk over any other vendor client on the market today. I even prefer it over the old favourites like GAIM and its like.
Re:Too much stuff (Score:3, Insightful)
I mean the satellite option is neat and all, but the speed pretty much sucks if you use that option, the interface is lousy (typing everything in one entry field may appeal to some, not to me), and the direction finding algorithm can sometimes give plenty crap results (like routing a drive from Albuquerque to Cleveland through Denver and Omaha rather than the much shorter straight shot through Oklahoma and Missouri.
About the only thing that they do better than, say
Re:Too much stuff (Score:2)
Wow. You do realize that you're obsessed and not making any sense, right?
"comes into contact with"?! What the heck does that mean? Do you seriously think that there is some sort of "Google contagion" that's going to infect your software?
Deep breath. It's going to be OK.
Security? We've heard of it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Security? We've heard of it... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hope you don't work at google, solomanj
Re:Security? We've heard of it... (Score:2)
Maybe it's an anagram? There are several names hidden in there - like "Joan Loms"
Re:Security? We've heard of it... (Score:4, Funny)
You should be banned.
Re:can't find it! (Score:2)
Tinfoil Hat On-Check (Score:5, Insightful)
You're assuming that someone from google didn't leak it.
It's been said that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Making something 'secret' only adds to the interest.
Did Earth Detox Cause Mass Extinctions 65 Million Years Ago? [suvalleynews.com]
How long? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:How long? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:How long? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:How long? (Score:5, Funny)
[x]Meth Lab [ ]Prostitutes
[ ]Jaywalking [x]Gunplay
[x]Laundering [x]Bribery
Snake? Snake Plisken? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Snake? Snake Plisken? (Score:2)
Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
In a perfect (or even reasonably sane) world, all platforms and programs would freely exchange XML calendar records. But who am I kidding? That would be too easy. In my world, a PocketPC can't even reliably synchronize calendar information with Outlook.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Finally there is (at least in theory) an answer: CalDAV [webdav.org]. It's big and complex, but there seems to be some real progress in implementing it, just take a look at the interoperability testing events/reports.
Then again, you mentioned Outlook... Just forget everything I said.
Re:Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
And you can always "upgrade" your pda to Linux
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why XML? vCal is already a standardized calendar format that works with Outlook, Mozilla Sunfire, and many others. It's not a buzzword like XML, but other than that, it usually works well.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)
Synchronization the wrong direction (Score:3, Interesting)
What we ought to have now is a server based approach, where all devices access the same version of the data. For now, this implies a browser solution, though a DAV solution or dedicated protocol would be better. Nothing I have looked at is exactly right, but Yahoo Calendar (full version when on a computer, wap version o
Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)
Select your classes from a schedule and have each period from now until the end of the year added for you. If the Prof gets sick, your calendar is updated automatically. Subscribe to your local concert club's schedule and see who's coming. Mark a show you're interested on and get automated notice when it's postponed.
Add some classification and filtering (which GMail is already well known for) and now you can just click the "Entertainment" tab and see all the movies, concerts, shows, book signings, lectures, plays, etc going on in the upcoming week.
This could be really cool.
Re:Why? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Why? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why? (Score:4, Funny)
The same with a calender. I don't use
I do use my phone's calander, but more as a viewer than, data entry (if god had meant us to use a phone for data entry he would have given us 9 thumbs). If I do have to create an entry whilst I'm out, being able to use a web interface to polish it makes a lot of sense.
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Yahoo and MSN provide calendaring services, I have never used them, where and when I am, I Have always considered far to private for anywhere but local storage, anybody wants to co-ordinate can contact me first amd I will decide whether I am available o
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Share with others
Data safety, better backup
Equipment/Platform free
Location free, ah..., only if you have internet access
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Since g-mail the only non-browser based activity I do regularly on my
various machines is updateing calenders. When google releases this
nearly everything I do outside actual development will be browser based.
So what, well I move around a lot and I need never lug 3 three kilos
of Dell hardware again.
Re:Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why I love the internet. (Score:5, Funny)
"people involved are not allowed to invite outsiders to see the calendar and are under strict rules not to share any details with outsiders. Here are some leaked photos of the CL2."
I love the internet.
Re:Why I love the internet. (Score:2)
In all honesty, gmail is pretty good, as are other Google services. They have to live up in some respect, but, in another, the hype means that they themselves don't have to do much advertising.
They also get a lot of the best people.
Love (Score:2)
Internet, will you marry me ?
Re:Love (Score:2)
She said yes !! Look I got an email !!
Subject: ILOVEYOU
Re:Love (Score:2)
Subject: ILOVEYOU
Well, technically, that is not a yes.
You should look for another email: "improve your stamina" for the reason...
Re:Why I love the internet. (Score:3, Interesting)
At least,
The great mysteries of Google. (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, what I really find amazing is Google's ability to find and promote those technologies that we would never have heard of. For example, Picasa and Google Earth. I played with Google' Earths previous self (KH) but I didn't want to pay $30 or whatever they were charging... and I would have passed Picasa off as yet another cheap knock-off.
I'm not saying that these are great programs in anyway, but they sure are great for free stuff... and that really amazes me -- Google really does have an aptitude for providing quality "free" software.
Matt Wong
http://www.themindofmatthew.com [themindofmatthew.com]
Re:The great mysteries of Google. (Score:2)
Except for the fact that Picasa beats the living daylights out of iPhoto. (Granted, iPhoto 6 is much improved over iPhoto 5, but it still can't touch Picasa IMHO). Maybe they'll make a OS X port of that some day...
Not BY Apple , per se (Score:3, Interesting)
SubEthaEdit [codingmonkeys.de] is an awesome collaborative editor.
Re:The great mysteries of Google. (Score:3, Informative)
Let's see:
No, thought not.
Could be handy (Score:5, Interesting)
Execute Only? (Score:5, Interesting)
No. (Score:2)
Doesn't have to be that way. (Score:3, Insightful)
Do you think businesses are going to want their employees scheduling confidential meetings on a c
Re:Execute Only? (Score:3, Informative)
It should 'just work' [google.com]
Re:Execute Only? (Score:2)
You want to use Google's products, you're going to do it on their terms. Don't like their terms? Use a different solution.
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
Groupware BAD, Calendars USEFUL (Score:5, Informative)
With their talents and GMail's strengths, it looks like they're ready to come out with just what JMZ is proposing. Which may make Hula [hula-project.org] dead in the water, but we'll just have to wait and see...
Re:Groupware BAD, Calendars USEFUL (Score:2)
Anyway if JWZ is talking I think I have to go and pluck my nose hairs or something equally more interesting then listening to his drivel.
Whoops, yes, JWZ not JMZ. (Score:2)
Re:Groupware BAD, Calendars USEFUL (Score:2)
In the case of Slashdotters, this software already exists in the form of a bash script
#!/bin/bash
#name : getlaid
#usage : getlaid
#decription: Optimises all users' routing tables to point towards reproductive goals. May result in some data loss.
echo "Reconfiguring priorities"
nohup cd
echo "Priorities reconfigured"
Re:Groupware BAD, Calendars USEFUL (Score:2)
Personal Security (Score:5, Insightful)
Whatever happened to the popular Slashdot meme: Don't access [Online Service that requires a password] from public places?
About the only places I would consider 'secure' are home, work, or a friend's house. And I wouldn't be so sure about the friend's house, because some of my friends are sneaky bastards like that.
Taking the Calendar away from a fixed computer, or appt. book or laptop/pda seems like it'll encourage people to check their schedule everywhere. Because, if the point is not to check it anywhere, then why not keep your schedule with you? Home ---> work doesn't seem very troublesome to me.
Re:Personal Security (Score:3, Insightful)
A
Re:Personal Security (Score:2)
The point also is to share with others and in that case you need a central place to store the calendars.
Re:Personal Security (Score:4, Interesting)
Google, are you listening?
BlackBerry (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyone else here think that Google should throw some cash at RIM to get CL2 and GMail doing full wireless sync with BlackBerries? I would gladly pay money for that feature.
Offtopic (but not...) (Score:4, Informative)
Why a new calendar? (Score:5, Funny)
Ironically, we wouldn't have had to deal with all of these end time religious types (who decided to ignore the difference between the two) today, since their end of the world prophecies would have been scheduled for at least a few hundred years from now, rather than based on the year 2000.
Missing Mars due to a glitch in converting imperial to metric is one thing, destroying the Earth to speed up various religious prophecies due to a glitch in calendar systems is another.
Re:Why a new calendar? (Score:2)
cool (Score:5, Insightful)
URL (Score:5, Informative)
"Sign in to Google CL2 with your Google Account"
Re:URL (Score:5, Funny)
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:4kukc10YIpwJ:
Re:URL (Score:3, Informative)
Nice try though.
Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
Remember the quote, "We're moving to a Google that knows more about you" ? You'd better.
Re:Awesome! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Awesome! (Score:2)
We are working on that too. It's in Alpha stage right now. Expect the Beta to be out by April.
- Larry Page
Re:Awesome! (Score:2, Funny)
Sweet (Score:3, Informative)
Wow, too late, seems that they are offering ICAL format :-))
manage myself? (Score:2, Funny)
Hmm... (Score:2, Insightful)
What AJAX library does Google use? (Score:3, Informative)
I'm starting to use the Dojo toolkit (http://dojotoolkit.org/ [dojotoolkit.org]) which might become the top free AJAX library. See my first easy samples "tree?.html" at (http://wyoguide.sf.net/test/ [sf.net].
O. Wyss
Re:What AJAX library does Google use? (Score:2)
Now that "Web 2.0" is more mature, it's possible they will start using things like dojo, protoype.js, script.aculo.us... but I suspect they will just keep doing things their own way.
Re:What AJAX library does Google use? (Score:5, Informative)
On the up (Score:5, Funny)
A Dream: an interactive public calendar (Score:3, Interesting)
- show my schedule to the public
- allow me to choose which calendar events I have posted are (in)visible, and with or without description (since I don't - necessarily want everyone to know _what I'm doing then. just that i'm busy.)
- allow people to select a time range from the calendar and "apply" for that range of my time
- have me emailed/IMd/otherwise contacted when such an application occurs so I can confirm/reject it
- then have them notified of the acceptance/rejection.
I have a pretty busy and variable schedule. It would be nice for me to have my calendar available to me at all times. And to let people figure out what time suits both of us without having to trust that neither of us are forgetting anything.
Does such a calendar exist?
*Note: feel free to steal this idea. i know i'm not going to develop it...
Re:A Dream: an interactive public calendar (Score:2, Interesting)
It's about time (Score:4, Insightful)
And now it turns out they're working on it.
And just a few months ago, I was hoping that Google would make an Israel version of Google News - and that came out on Tuesday, and looks great.
How often does it happen that a company consistently puts out programs and services that you'd wanted to use before they made them?
SyncML please!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
List of devices: https://www.mobical.net/mobical/phonesetup/ [mobical.net]
What use is an online calendar if it doesn't support online synchronisation?
I know that Gmail has ignored the wonderful imap standard, so I'm not entirely cnvinced they won't ignore this one.
So: Please Google, don't be evil, and use the open SyncML standard
X.
Discussion (Score:2, Interesting)
Google + Federal Gubbermint (Score:3, Interesting)
Does this mean that now, when Google is forced to bend to the pressure of the Current Administration through some laws that will no-doubt be passed to ensure compliance, that the Gubbermint will now be able to see where every person is at any given time, as well as what email they're sending, to whom, and what web searches they're using?
Oh wait, don't use Google, use Yahoo! to search, or AOL, or MSN... Riiiight, the .gov will just aggregate those search results (that they've already secured access to) through a real-time query and figure out exactly WHERE you sent that email or did that search from, then cross-reference that with your calendar, and figure out exactly what you were doing at the time.
As long as there are ridiculous draconian laws that allow .gov to demand logs and other details from providers, there can be no anonymity. At least so far, my provider is Pro-Privacy, and "Gets It(tm)". It pays to go with one of the little guys sometimes.
Re:Screenshots? (Score:2)
And yet (Score:4, Informative)
Dollar for Dollar, I would expect good things from their calendar.
Re:mmm sleepy about google (Score:2, Funny)