HP to Heavily Support and Invest in .Net 218
Dr.Stress writes: "CNet is reporting 'Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft plan to invest $50 million in a joint effort to sell corporate customers on the software giant's .Net Web services efforts....HP plans to devote 3,000 consultants from its HP Services unit to the effort and also train 5,000 people in its sales and support staff.' Microsoft will provide additional installation support, and the companies will jointly market .Net services. This was announced previously, but this article contains a few more details. Frankly, as an HP employee, I am alarmed at all this closeness with Microsoft lately (this, plus the media center PCs....what's next??)."
split infinitives (Score:2, Funny)
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Splitting of infinitives isn't necessarily incorrect.
From _The Elements of Style_, the classic handbook of English literary style by Strunk and White (fourth edition):
"There is precedent from the fourteenth century down for interposing an adverb between to and the infinitive it governs, but the construction should be avoided unless the writer wishes to place unusual stress on the adverb." -- pg. 58
"The split infinitive is another trick of rhetoric in which the ear must be quicker than the handbook. Some infinitives seem to improve on being split, just as a stick of round stovewood does. 'I cannot bring myself to really like the fellow.' The sentence is relaxed, the meaning is clear, the violation is harmless and scarcely perceptible. Put the other way, the sentence becomes stiff, needlessly formal. A matter of ear." -- pg. 78
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Re:No split infinitives here (Score:2)
Sure, you can break the rules and still be understood. That's a bit rude, though. The rules aren't there to constrain your freedom. They are there to ensure our mutual understanding.
When you break a rule artfully and with intent, you are doing something of real value to the language. When you break a rule out of ignorance or laziness, you are asking the rest of us to do your work for you. That is rude.
Please understand that I recognize slashdot and other such forums (fora?) are an informal and ad hoc place for language. I think it was perfectly okay to leave out the comma where you did. I don't take people to task for spelling, punctuation, and grammar here or on usenet or any such place. I was using your sentence merely as an example. You would have to be writing pure gibberish for me to complain.
The "rules" of usage are an "open standard." They are like any other protocol. They define the way messages are encoded and decoded. When you fail to comply with the rules through ignorance, you are like a poorly designed IP stack, spitting out bad packets and expecting the rest of us to deal with it. When you fail to comply through concious defiance, you are like a certain monopolistic company, trying to "embrace and extend" the language. In either case, it is not a good thing.
There is, of course, a third case. When you fail to comply with the rules because you are trying to enhance the protocol, you are not doing harm per se, but you are trying to create. In English, this tends to happen in fiction and poetry, which are the test networks of the language.
I won't say we will never see poetry on slashdot, but few posts I see rise to the standard.
More information (Score:1, Informative)
What's next? (Score:4, Funny)
Well if memory serves, MS will use HP for as long as it takes to get its own team together, then screw them over. Of course, MS may really value the partnership, and have absolutely no ulterior motiv...... sorry, I'm laughing too hard to finish!!
Re:What's next? (Score:4, Insightful)
The old partners (IBM, DELL, BRISTOL, MAINSOFT, etc) just do not get it, like Microsoft does. But as the saying goes what comes around goes around. And right now one of the first companies that MS screwed over (IBM), looks pretty menancing for MS.
Re:What's next? (Score:2)
Re:What's next? (Score:2)
Corporate chess in action.
Acquisitions sometimes turn out the other way arou (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Acquisitions sometimes turn out the other way a (Score:3, Insightful)
ah such potential...wasted!
Re:Acquisitions sometimes turn out the other way a (Score:2)
Bruce Perens (Score:2, Interesting)
What do you mean, "lately"?! (Score:5, Interesting)
HP's downward slide didn't start with Carly, nor did it start with the merger--it started a LONG time ago, when the upper eschelons were taken over by MBA-types who thought that, instead of HP innovating, it would be MUCH easier to cozy up to the dominant monopoly.
Re:What do you mean, "lately"?! (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's see, we write software and we buy software from Microsoft... let's outsource our development staff to Microsoft for a cut in the pricing on the stuff we buy from them! We lose those expensive employees and get a break on our product costs! We're financial geniuses!!
So as they pollute and destroy whatever uniqueness HP products have, somebody else brings out a similar but better product for a lot less, and a third company brings out a significantly different, but more expensive product for a premium price. HP withers while the competition thrives.
Financial geniuses do not create world-beating products.
Re:Never attribute to malice if stupidity explains (Score:3, Interesting)
Doesn't really suprise me that after the Compaq merger, they are even more in bed with MS. After all wasn't it Compaq that basically killed the Alpha?
Re:Never attribute to malice if stupidity explains (Score:2)
Have you been GNUed today?
Re:What do you mean, "lately"?! (Score:2)
Not that HP has much choice in the matter at this point. After all, it's not like HP has an application server of their own that they could sell you. It seems somewhat ironic to me that HP has not one but two UNIXes, VMS, and who knows what else, and no development strategy going forward other than to spend money advertising for Microsoft (and Dell). Sometimes I wonder if HP wouldn't be better off to simply stick with printers.
If there is one thing that HP should have learned by now is that the only way to win in the PC race is to let someone else do all of the front-runner testing and advertising. When it comes to actually purchasing .NET systems most folks are going to do so primarily on price, and Dell is going to win handily there (especially since they let HP spend the money on advertising).
no kidding men!! (Score:2)
The true reason (Score:3, Informative)
Okay, now that I did the unbelievable by posting the second message which not only was not a troll, but also pinpointed the cause of this change in HP policy, there is a related story on ZDNET on this
Okay, now that I did the unbelievable by posting the second message which not only was not a troll, but also pinpointed the cause of this change in HP policy, there is a related story [com.com] on ZDNET. To quote from the article:
"Our relationship has significantly improved," Microsoft group vice president Jim Allchin told CNET News.com earlier this month.
Asked if the Compaq influence was the leading factor, Allchin said, "I suspect that's a large part of it."
So now you know why this happened.
IBM (Score:3, Interesting)
As for scaryness, yes it is a threat to the freedom online. We have to hope that Liberty Alliance will succeed and that average Joe will become aware of the lack of integrity this type of solutions can result in.
It's not that surprising... (Score:1)
Re:It's not that surprising... (Score:1)
I hate Compaq, never saw them producing decent hardware. If HP becomes "the new compaq", I guess, I'll have to buy Lexmark printers now.
HP's always been in bed w/MS (Score:4, Insightful)
Then do something about it.
You remind me of the people who whine about the government, but never get out to the polls on voting day. What have you done about it? If you're alarmed by the closeness with Microsoft, then either you haven't been paying attention to HP or else you're one of the newly merged Compaq folks, who were a lot more open-source-friendly. HP's been in bed with MS for years: I distinctly remember HP being one of the first companies to adopt the restore-cd-only policy with their Pavilions, only including a restore CD and not an operating system CD. HP's Kayak dual-CPU workstations were among the first & best NT-running machines I ever used, and I know they didn't build it to run Linux. HP's always been close with MS.
So if HP's relationship with MS surprises you, then you need to get more active with your management in the day-to-day decisionmaking. Every time HP releases a solution that specifically favors MS, sometimes at the expense of their customers, speak up and try to change their minds.
Re:HP's always been in bed w/MS (Score:3, Informative)
So don't count on HP getting in bed with MS all the way, it seems like their just fuck-friends, at least for the moment.
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Re:HP's always been in bed w/MS (Score:5, Insightful)
Perens wasn't working within the company framework. If I think my company's doing something wrong, I don't speak out in public: I work closely with my supervisors and make sure they do the right thing. If they continue to make the wrong choices, and I've tried my best, then I don't play whistleblower and run to the shareholders. That marks you as somebody who's not trustworthy, somebody who isn't a team player. You pull that, you get fired, no matter how high-profile you are.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how the system works. The officeplace is like the Matrix - ya gotta fight the bad elements from within.
Re:HP's always been in bed w/MS (Score:2)
Re:HP's always been in bed w/MS (Score:2)
HP is no better than MS:/ (Score:1)
That makes me just an educated fortune teller. Go figure..
Let's see.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyone want to place bets on how long before HP "decides that supporting Linux is just too costly" and bails on the platform entirely?
Wouldn't surprise me if part of this MS/HP deal was MSFT saying "before we'll consummate this, in a few months, you've got to get rid of that thorn in our side Perens. We can't have him out there publicly lambasting us, as an employee of your company, if we're going to do business with you."
Why, YOU'RE next, HP (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's look at past microsoft buddy-buddy relationships:
Well. . . from past experience, I think HP should bend over. . . we all know what's next.
The only defence would be to never make any money or headway in the business relationship at all. That way, if they actually kill your business while they are sabotaging it, they won't rob your grave and relabel the loot "innovation."
I feel really bad for Carly Fiorona. She may actually believe that she is digging a foundation for her company. . .
Re:Why, YOU'RE next, HP (Score:2)
Cheers,
Ian
Re:Why, YOU'RE next, HP (Score:3, Interesting)
Why feel sorry for an intellegent (and highly compensated) person who should know better ? Why not feel sorry instead for the misguided Compaq/HP foot soldiers and shareholders who are going to be screwed over by her bunglings ?
Re:Why, YOU'RE next, HP (Score:3, Insightful)
SourceSafe - Once was a reliable CLI program that ran under Unix and allowed you to check in and out dozens of files with a simple command line. Was bought by MS, ported to NT, lost its Unix support, and became a bloated GUI that required literally hours (on a 33MHz machine) of point, click, wait...wait... (and cross your fingers not to crash) to check in 100 files one by one vs. 5 sec from the old CLI. We discovered that rebooting after checking in every dozen or so files greatly improved reliability, and I recall that our record was checking in about 50 files in a single session without a crash. At least that was the case shortly after MS bought it; we scrapped it after numerous crashes corrupted its db, and I haven't used it in years.
Re:Why, YOU'RE next, HP (Score:2)
Sourcesafe is usable without getting in the way. Free products like WinCVS are better in most cases (SourceSafe does have one interesting feature that the project can have directories scattered around your hard drive, rather than a strict tree structure. I've never used it, and I think that NTFS symbolic links would be able to achieve this, but it's still the feature that SourceSafe has that I haven't seen in other GUI tools), but having to use it has only been a minor irritation (why does it make directories uppercase when you add them? why does it add all the files inside the dir, forcing me to remove the ones I don't want, and then going to the filesystem to attrib them back to writeable?). In day-to-day use it's only a little lacking.
SourceSafe just hasn't screwed you (YET) (Score:2, Informative)
The other problem with it is the "server" just uses NT file sharing and the shares have to give everyone write permission so there's no real security anyway...
Re:SourceSafe just hasn't screwed you (YET) (Score:2)
Re:SourceSafe just hasn't screwed you (YET) (Score:2)
Re:SourceSafe just hasn't screwed you (YET) (Score:2)
The culprit in this case was the Los Angeles County Assessor's Office site, which at the time I had to use a lot. Really annoying.
Re:SourceSafe just hasn't screwed you (YET) (Score:2)
BUT, corruption of the db isn't a serious problem because, even with CVS, you should be backing the files up. I guess if it corrupted regularily, that would be a pain.
Why is happens (Score:2)
That was almost exactly the deal, and my company agreeed with it becuase there was no way to compete.
Re:Why is happens (Score:2)
What is your company's name? How can we verify what you are saying is true?
Re:HP is only listening to the field (Score:3)
....what's next??)." (Score:2)
So, how can Redmond achieve control without all of the legal overhead of a purchase?
Re:....what's next??)." (Score:2)
Unlike human parents, Microsoft seems to have a tendency to either eat or kill their children when they get too grown-up.
Re:....what's next??)." (Score:2)
Media center PCs nothing new (Score:2, Insightful)
I used to write software for stereo components for Escient Labs [escient.com], who had major OEM agreements with RCA, Harmon Kardon, and (more recently) Compaq (now HP). It was quite the cool experience to see all of my favorite hi-fi systems run linux.
Most companies are in bed with MS (Score:2, Insightful)
When will you people realize that there will always be Microsoft playing a large part in the market for minimumly the next 10-15 years?
is $50 million a lot? (Score:1)
or is this just a bunch of hype to make the stock price possibly move?
i assume if a large vendor has to do a huge new worldwide roll out / market push for some new product that its gotta cost this much.
i am sure they all are doing the same thing. hp just decided to make some press headway with it.
use this as motivation (Score:5, Insightful)
If Linux was really 10 steps ahead of Microsoft, markets would recognize that fact much more than they have. The fact is, there are some areas where linux shines and some areas where commercial software shines.
To me, this is a good thing, since it will raise the bar on standards compliance in the industry and create more niche areas for linux to make its way into the enterprise.
Re:use this as motivation (Score:2)
On the other hand, if Linux had 5,000 paid "consultants" flanked by a huge sales force, there's every chance that the market would recognize it.
Re:use this as motivation (Score:2)
Re:use this as motivation (Score:2)
Anyone who thinks MS is going to allow .NET to be an open standard is living in a fantasy world. And BTW, only the CLR is a standard. This completely excludes all the APIs which is what someone would actually use to write an application. The GUI is not included in the CLR either.
Microsoft has a pretty strong incentive to standardize the .NET... one of the main reasons they're developing it is to fix a lot of the problems associated with multiple versions of DLLs, dependence on various versions of windows APIs, etc.
If you're in doubt, look at the Mono project. Soon there will be .NET available for Linux, etc. Then we'll find companies like HP selling the Microsoft solution but implementing their projects with Mono and Linux and making more money in the process.
And what do you want them to do? (Score:2)
(Of course, I know what I would want them to do: invest the $50m in gcj and Mono...)
very good analogy (Score:2)
You see, theoretical top speed is not a primary concern for most car buyers--or programming language users. Safety, capacity, and comfort are much more important.
the microsoft compromise (Score:4, Insightful)
It's still my computer. If you don't trust me with your movies, then don't put the f***ing things on my computer. I'll still rent the DVD's, you will still make money.
Most people would rather own their computer and rent at blockbuster than simply having a licence for their computer and lots of pretty movies to slowly, slowly download. Since when is this any sort of *compromise* when the terms are dictated from above?
The Digital - Microsoft Alliance (Score:4, Funny)
I do not know. I do have a collection of "Digital - Microsoft alliance" t-shirts from when DEC still existed.
Embrace and Extend.
A fool and her money are soon parted (Score:2)
You should be. I remember when Digital Equipment was this close with Microsoft and they convinced M$ to port NT to Alpha. Same thing -- big investment -- deployment of thousands of consultants and support people. Look at how well that worked.
What little remains of DEC now belongs to HP, via Compaq. Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.
Re:A fool and her money are soon parted (Score:2)
5 years down the line ... (Score:2, Insightful)
IBM-Sun, w/ java
HP/COMPAQ-Microsoft w/
Re:5 years down the line ... (Score:2)
Sorry, gotta be said.
Explains why Bruce Had to Go.... (Score:3, Interesting)
In an un related story.... (Score:2)
In an unrelated story, Dr.Stress was fired from HP for making !MS comments.
Oh wait. This really happened didn't it?
And remember kiddies, never give money to the copyright industry for any reason forever. If you're renting/buying anything that gives money to the companies backing the **AA's, you're a part of the problem.
Investing 50 million in vaporware (Score:2)
Re:Investing 50 million in vaporware (Score:2, Funny)
So that you can make your broadband connection perform like a dialup, as SOAP is an XML protocol.
Just imagine, instead of sending your images/mp3s/whatever as a stream of bytes, you can send something like:
<int> 56 </int> <int> 42 </int> <int> 35 </int>
What a fucking breakthough! What insight! And, as an added bonus, you get the overhead of creating the XML at the sender, and parsing it at the receiver. Huzzah! The brilliance knows no bounds!
Yes, I know about the "array of bytes" type, but this is just laughable. You now have all the endian/packing problems of sockets, so if you use this type, SOAP has gained you exactly nothing and you might as well have used raw sockets. And I'm not even going to *ask* what happens if you want to send an array of floats efficiently
It's no suprise that SOAP is from the same geniuses that brought you the joke that was DCOM (which has been swept under the carpet I notice). Perhaps I should send these people some of the standard distributed computing texts for xmas, it's clear they don't have clue one about the topic.
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Re:Investing 50 million in vaporware (Score:2)
Microsoft always gets somebody else to go first (Score:2)
Microsoft has always pumped money into a technology until it eventually becomes successful (Internet Explorer and Windows CE to name two), but has anyone else noticed that they let everyone else bet their bank on MS technology first, then they learn from their competitor/customer's mistakes?
E.g. The Sega dreamcast. Odd how Microsoft didn't use WinCE for the Xbox isn't it?
Isn't Corel jumping on .Net before MS Office?
The IBM/Microsoft OS/2 partnership and the subsequent WinNT?
I'm sure there are other examples.
Nothing but a $2 whore? (Score:2)
Sometimes, they're a Linux proponent. Sometimes they're a Windows toady.
If they WILL do anything that anyone will pay for, then why don't they just say that?
Re:Nothing but a $2 whore? (Score:2)
HP's new marketing line... (Score:5, Funny)
We will say anything to try and keep our stockholders from noticing that we made a former Lucent exec our CEO and are letting her run one of the most wacked-out mergers ever seen!
Re:HP's new marketing line... (Score:2)
You forgot PA-RISC: "we are committed to our PA-RISC development"
What do you expect? (Score:2, Insightful)
Then quit you whiner (Score:2, Funny)
Frankly, as an HP employee, I am alarmed at all this closeness with Microsoft lately (this, plus the media center PCs....what's next??).
Ohhhh, poor baby. Would you like your bottle? The trials and trubulations of a for profit company doing business with another for profit company to, can you believe the evil, sell goods and services for profit!!!! What is the world comming to? God forbid your company work with an OS that reaches over 90% of the PCs out there. The horror of having to consider the end user!
So... now we know why Bruce Perens got fired. (Score:2)
GREAT!!! (Score:2)
"Do you think of the merger as having one less competitor?"
Scott's response:
"No. Two less."
Let Fionrna (whatever her name is) play with .NET and I'll laugh at they crumble and news reports abound of HP and Compaq flopping like fish out of water. Watching two large companies merge is fun! Entertaining for the geek and economist alike. As long as their LaserJet series supports Linux and Apple, I could care less. .NET will drown them. Any developer ACTUALLY EARNING A LIVING AND NOT STILL IN SCHOOL will understand it's about the APIs. Clean and simple with Java (and other langauges, too) but .NET? A fscking mess.
Favorite Scott McNealy Quote (Score:3, Funny)
"...it's like watching two slow-moving garbage trucks in a head-on collision..."
Take a pill... (Score:2, Interesting)
HP also signed a deal like this with BEA and people didn't go ballistic. HP signs many deals and they want to be big in services and this and the BEA deal is how you get big in services.
You should be careful about reading corporate press releases, they rarely are in context.
What's next?...How about resumes? (Score:2)
Notice that line forming at the copy machine? Get out while the gettin's good. It's never fun to be on a big ship while it's going down.
HP is being smart (Score:2)
Some (very large) percentage of the business community will purchase MS servers, clients, and want to use the new technology. HP has a services department that sells their knowledge about current technologies to businesses.
In the scheme of things, $50M is not that much money, and it's a smart investment because people will be knocking on HP's door asking for consultants that understand this ".NET stuff"
HP would be foolish not to make a play for this $$, particularly since they are a big reseller of MS products and can easily get the marginal revenues by offering "integration" services with the hardware/software sales.
BTW - I've seen some bashing of the
Doesn't have to make sense to you, but it is the reality of the business world......
Regards,
Anomaly
Deceitful (Score:3, Interesting)
This suggests that web services ==
Deceitful strategy, first they try to sell web services because of said platform independance, then the next step is to suggest that you need
Not surprising HP is doing this. (Score:2)
Don't forget that Microsoft is a company sitting on US$40 billion in liquid assets and HP knows Microsoft will be around for a long time, which gives MS time to develop and improve
Besides, I'm sure HP is well-aware of Ximian's Mono project, which essentially is an Open Source version of
(Mind you, I think Microsoft has neferious reasons for assisting Ximian in developing Mono--it will essentially do an end-around attack on Sun's Liberty Alliance initiative. Sun might not realize what hit them when they find out why most of the world is supporting something akin to
Ah, yet another obfuscation (Score:3, Funny)
Step 1: Control HP
Step 2: Publicly announce evil plans under HP's name
Step 3: Profit????
I remember when DEC and Microsoft "partnered"... (Score:2)
Microsoft threw $5 BILLION over to AT&T so they would use WinCE and what did that get them? It most likely did more harm to the other OS vendors who had working product and it probably delayed the release of the intended technology in set-top boxes.
IMHO, no company should take Microsoft "investment" capital unless they fully intend to disolve the business very soon. This news that HP is helping finance and back MS.NET just means HP is more likely to not be around for the long run.
In 5 years, HP will split itself up with maybe only the printer division keeping it's name. Or maybe they'll smarten up again and let customers solutions drive the market. Not the latest idea to protect the Windows monopoly, MS.NET.
LoB
Re:I remember when DEC and Microsoft "partnered".. (Score:2)
LoB
Fight for your freedom if you believe in it. (Score:2)
No surprise here. Megacorps aren't compatible with the very essense of Open Source because it does not allow them to corner and manipulate markets--simple as that. So stop complaining and don't work for them! Take your skills elsewhere. Start your own small business. Do whatever it takes to join the grassroots opposition to corporate controlled technology. It's not just about Open Source and buzzwords. It's about control. It's about keeping greed in check so that it doesn't erode basic freedom and privacy.
Supposed open-source geeks who go work for proprietary-minded companies are hypocrites. It'd be like fighting with the Nazi's in WW2 because they offered you better pay. Grow some backbone people and stand up for what you believe!
Re:.NET is great !!! (Score:1, Funny)
why are you a bastard now?
You show the intelligence degree of .NET users. (Score:1, Funny)
Re:.NET is great !!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Check out java. That does all those things, but it does them now, and it's got a lot of support and it's also multi-vendor. You will NOT be able to write stuff in VS.NET and run them on Linux, because very little of the framework classes are "open", for instance Mono uses its own gui framework based on GTK.
Re:.NET is great !!! (Score:3, Insightful)
It would be no surprise if
The question is what parts will be available under an acceptable license. The answer isn't clear. And if the applications end up being non-portable anyway (due to GUI platform dependencies, e.g.), then what's the advantage?
Saying that something is technically better than Java is faint praise indeed. Now if you could say that it was better than Python...
Don't point to proprietary libraries as a reason that it's better. That proves nothing at all. Those libraries are probably unuseable. Don't point to it being submitted to standardization as a bonus, unless ALL THE NEEDED PARTS are standardized, and not covered by restrictive patents or licenses. (This could be true, but it isn't what I've been hearing.)
If you think that the CLR being multiple language is a bonus, may I direct you to a web page entitled "Languages for the JavaVM" http://grunge.cs.tu-berlin.de/%7Etolk/vmlanguages
OTOH, it may well be an improved design. I'd be rather shocked if it weren't. This is *years* later.
What language is your legacy code written in? My legacy code either links nicely with any gcc compiler, or doesn't link with
(Sometimes both.)
That it is made by MS is not a de facto reason for disliking it. It is a de facto reason for not trusting any facet of it that I haven't examined. (The burnt child dreads the fire. Once burnt, twice shy. Fool me once, shame on thee, fool me twice, shame on me. You don't fool me three times. etc.)
I never hated and despised Microsoft until after I started using their operating system. After a few years, and a few license changes, it got to the point where it is now common knowledge where I work (well, within the department) that I refuse to install Microsoft software, because I won't agree to the license.
I encourage you to read the EULA before you install software. You are not exempted from the terms just because you don't read them. Your company is not exempted just because you don't care. If the crime of malfeasance applies to sysadmins (or other techs), then I suspect that agreeing to bind you company to those licenses counts as malfeasance. It really is a decision that should be made each time by upper management. No other decision of comparable significance (i.e., likely to kill the company) is made by tech personnel, and they shouldn't make this one either. I recognize that they are frequently coerced into it, but if you accept the coercion, then you are not a professional.
Re:blame compaq (Score:1, Funny)
interj., &n., &v.
An exclamation of incorrectness - esp. when claiming first post.
blame Canada (Score:1)
It's blame Canada
But seriously, from a buisness point of vieuw this isn't such a bad idea. From an ideaoligic point of vieuw it is, but if I remember correctly coorperations rarely if ever have ' in the worlds best intrest' as part of there buisness model
Re:Carly Fiorina, I presume? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Carly Fiorina, I presume? (Score:2)
Re:Counter it (Score:2)
Try NEVER... (Score:2)
HP's going to go the way of other MS partners, but not the buyout way. By the time this is over, no one's going to want MS stock any more than they want HP stock today. Probably less.