I'm totally stealing this quote (attributed), and posting it on Facebook.
I don't think it requires new laws or regulations either.
I'm beginning to think we're perilously close to being in violent agreement with each other, just describing different sides of the "current situation"
BTW, what I "want to be done" will happen organically. LTE will (finally) standardize the carriers (give it five to ten years for it or its backwards compatible successors to be ubiquitous nationwide), at which point you won't have the GSM/CDMA divide, and you won't have the "CDMA phone has to be flashed to the carrier" requirement. At THAT point, unlocked unsubsidized phones work exactly as everyone hopes they will (although still a pipe dream if anyone thinks that's going to lower the monthly pricing from any major carrier).
You do the best you can with the hand you're dealt and the needs you've got. For various reasons, an iPhone is the best choice of phone for me, for work purposes. For network reasons, Sprint is the only real player in town.
Short of selling my house and moving to attempt to make some silly point to a wireless provider who won't even notice or care, there's not a whole lot that I can actually do.
This has nothing to do with monthly fees (which - I agree - should be charged based on the costs the actual customers incur to the carrier), and please don't presume to tell me what I expect. I expect solely the things which I myself have said.
I'm saying, again, TODAY, in the current world, where there isn't a single ubiquitous standard for phone interoperability, that if I can only use "this device" on "your network", and I can't take it to your competitor, then you damned well better be subsidizing the cost of that "carrier lock-in", because that phone is decidedly of lower value than an identical phone which could be used on - literally - any carrier.
(not sure why there's an AC version of this post, but I'll take credit for my own words)
That's easy to say if you live in a metropolitan area with a level of GSM service which gives you, at minimum, two carriers to choose from. Then you CAN in fact, maybe, live off unsubsidized and unlocked GSM devices. WHERE YOU ARE, there may in fact be "lots more choices and flexibility", but that is nowhere near being true for anyone not living in a metro area.
For lots of rural america, the GSM network just sucks fetid dingo's kidneys such that GSM providers are not really "viable options", meaning you can't avoid the subsidized phone game.
Trust me, I've had TMO, which had shite coverage, moved to ATTW (because TMO wasn't negotiating a full roaming agreement with ATTW at the time, so I desperately wanted to believe being an ATTW customer directly would be better), and it was "luke-warm shite" at that point. Finally I switched to CDMA carriers, primarily because of network availability. Verizon's network is just goddamned everywhere. Although when I moved to my latest residence a number of years ago, I switched to Sprint mostly because they were the only carrier who'd had the foresight to buy antenna space inside the church steeple of the historic village I live in so they're essentially the only carrier -- at all -- with signal in town.
And then you held in your hand a Verizon phone that was useless anywhere else but Verizon and said to yourself.... shit. Now what do I do with this paperweight?
Right, that's what I thought.
And if a given phone is going to only be useable on their network, then they fucking well better subsidize the thing.
You're missing the point. Go back and read my original post.
TODAY, even unlocked phones offer next to no mobility. Other than GSM where you have a choice between two mostly-crappy GSM providers in the US (ATTW and TMO), phones are essentially locked into their "initial carrier". That means that an unlocked phone, really, isn't worth "full market value" because a given phone is only useable on a subset of the national mobile infrastructure.
THAT aspect needs to change dramatically before "non-subsidized" phones are of any use. Put another way, Sprint damned well better subsidize my Sprint iPhone purchase, in part, because that phone is tits-on-a-bull with any other carrier.
You made the point about LTE changing that, and I agree it has the potential to do so, but nationwide LTE coverage is best described as "weak-ass", and so there is not yet "LTE portability and interoperability" that makes fully-unlocked-and-portable mobile devices a plausible reality.
Is anyone actually selling unlocked CDMA phones, so that you can flip-flop between say Sprint and VZW if you so choose? I wasn't even of the belief that that was "a thing".
To your first point... yeah, LTE could solve this problem, but it'll be a number of years before that's ubiquitous enough nationwide to be relevant.
To your second point... if your complaint and reason for leaving is "Gee, Verizon's network around here sucks," having as your main option "switch to some other carrier Verizon is reselling to" is completely unattractive. You're still on the same network, but now you're on a "partner" provider as opposed to the owner provider, so you'll generally get even worse service than you did to start.
Part of the reason for subsidies is the disjointed, non-standardized nature of the US cellular network. Paying full price for a phone is much more tolerable to me if I can jump ship to any other carrier that I want, like I could in most countries.
But, today, if I bought an unlocked GSM phone, to use on AT&T, and then a year from now wanted to switch carriers, my choices are hampered by that lack of standardization. That phone is -- essentially -- worth only half as much because it only works on half the carriers (the GSM carriers, as opposed to the CDMA carriers).
IMHO, that problem needs to be resolved before this works as a next step.
Who said founding-fathers, dipshit?
Here, this should help.
Well, those parts of the US can remove the sticks from their asses.
When an actual minor is shown actual porn, then we can officially raise a stink. Until then? People need to STFU.
Nearly every library I've ever visited, across five different US states, in rural and urban areas, has had a separate "Children's Area", with the "Young Adult" area right next to it.
You can have those as your "family-friendly zones".