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deCSS Listed On Download.com

Posted by Roblimo on Wed Nov 17, 1999 03:51 AM
from the cat's-out-of-the-bag-and-won't-go-back-in dept.
Abscissa writes "I just discovered that Download.com has listed the hottest illegal utility for "bypassing" DVD copy protection. It won't be long before they get contacted by the motion picture association!" And deCSS is also mirrored on many other, lower-profile Web sites. There's simply no way it can be stopped.
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  • by Daffy Duck (17350) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @10:56PM (#1526192) Homepage
    I'm sure lots of people who don't even have DVD-ROM drives are downloading this thing just to keep it in the Net's collective memory.

    Shades of Fahrenheit 451 :)

  • Yeah! Download.com DARE to mirror it!!! by Baddog Abel (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @10:57PM
  • Once the genie is out... by CormacJ (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @10:58PM
  • illegal ? by imr (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @10:59PM
  • Remember CD music? (Score:3)

    by SEWilco (27983) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @10:59PM (#1526196) Homepage Journal
    Remember when CDs and DAT came out? The Music Industry tried to restrict copying by legislation. Now we're using $200 CD writers for portable data, and Panasonic is running commercials for their CD copiers. And the Music Industry still sells a lot of CDs.
  • The RIAA gets what it gives by waddgodd (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:00PM
  • by vectro (54263) <vectro@pipeline.com> on Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:01PM (#1526198)
    It seems that download.com is not really hosting it themselves, but in fact linking to a site in Denmark [worldonline.dk]. It also seems that said site has taken down [worldonline.dk] this software.
  • Re:illegal ? by Sfuerst (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:05PM
  • Re:Not really hosting it by waddgodd (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:07PM
  • Re:Not really hosting it by GeorgeMcBay (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:08PM
  • Not the Source. by Blitzkopf (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:09PM
  • Yeah, but... by DragoonAK (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:10PM
  • Euh.. is it the real thing? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:10PM
  • Another Mirror by Ventilator (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:10PM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by nickelodeon (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:12PM
  • Oh no... (Score:5)

    by Nichen (34123) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:16PM (#1526207) Homepage
    no more movies are going to be made, since everyone is going to download this app and become a hardcore pirate, thereby breaking the motion picture industry. Woe is us. I myself have already put out of business a couple of studios by making illegal copies of my massive DVD collection. The MPAA needs to hurry up and sue download.com, cnet and affiliate sites, and everyone that visits them to protect the fragile movie industry.

    Sheesh. I can only imagine the witchhunts that will follow once this lil' app gets around now.

    Off topic, but I wonder if napster can be configured to transfer *.vob's now? ;)
  • Since when is it illegal? by unco (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:17PM
  • Re:Not really hosting it by Digital_Fiend (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:19PM
  • Re:DARE? Actually... by webslacker (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:25PM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by Spooky Possum (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:40PM
  • by adraken (8869) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:42PM (#1526215)
    this utility is probably not illegal in many countries, but cnet.com is definetely posed with civil legal action by the MPAA or some other lawyers. (even more so, now that it's been posted on hackernews and slashdot) it's obvious that DeCSS, the Livid stuff, and articles explaining how it was done will live forever. the question is: will the MPAA give up and just forget about it? or will the MPAA go on a 30 year hunt to try to discourage all DVD pirating and ultimately destroy itself and the format well before a more viable solution comes along? or will they come up with a different format and screw everyone over?
  • by maroberts (15852) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:44PM (#1526216) Homepage Journal
    I do wish people would be more careful with the posting on Slashdot. Calling DeCSS an 'illegal' utility immediately gets motion picture lawyers backs up and will possibly have a negative impact on when/if you can happily view DVDs in Linux. This slashdot article is almost as bad as the initial Wired article that seemed to started the problems with Linux DVD development in the first place.

    AFAIK, DeCSS is *not* an illegal tool - the development of DeCSS was perfectly legal in the country in which it was developed and it would have been legal to develop it in the US and most other countries [possibly till the Digital Millenium Copyright act comes into force]

    DeCSS, at least in its Linux form, is not intended as an aid to making illegal copies, hopefully it is just a means of assisting you in viewing DVDs under Linux.

    Even the use of DeCSS in the UK, where there are specific provisions that appear to block it, is in doubt - there are a number of hurdles that someone taking the case to court would need to overcome.

    P.S. IANAL, if you are please feel free to correct any mishtakes....

  • Copy protection. (Score:5)

    by Rob the Roadie (2950) on Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:44PM (#1526217) Homepage
    Since copy protection was invented, there have been ways around it.

    With DAT there was some sort of digital signature (i forget the TLA) that was written to the tape that ment that the tape had to copied by the machine that produced the master. A box of tricks costing £100 (ish) got rid of that and you could freely copy DATs.

    The duplication of CD's used to be protected by the high cost of CD writters but we just copied them to tape and all was fine. CD writters now cost around £180 and everyone is freely coping CD's (either audio or MP3) and distributing copywritted material.

    The MP3 audio format was one of the final nails in the coffin. Fast, high quality and small audio files distributed freely are rapidly killing off sales of CD's. Well, so we are lead to believe by the music industry.

    All this little application does is break the current encryption/protection method used. I'm sure that within a few months a new format will come out and all the DVD hardware/software/content vendors will adopt it and proclaim it to be secure. A few months later someone will break it and announce who easy it was and how stupid the industry is for using such a weak encryption/protection method. Repeat the cycle. Do until end.


  • Look at the Company! :) by TyFoN (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:47PM
  • Re:DARE? Actually... by arivanov (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:50PM
  • Re:DARE? Actually... by Caspian (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:51PM
  • Good news for us Europeans then. by Cigs (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:51PM
  • where is the source? by kevin lyda (Score:1) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:58PM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by Caspian (Score:2) Tuesday November 16 1999, @11:58PM
  • Another mirror: by AftanGustur (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:02AM
  • Good Luck by Commie (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:09AM
  • by maroberts (15852) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:09AM (#1526226) Homepage Journal
    ...can be downloaded from the CVS server [instructions on the web site] at: http://livid.on.openprojects.net [openprojects.net]
  • Looks like a job for ... REDHAT by nyet (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:16AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by JimmyJ (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:20AM
  • mirror list by rbb (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:21AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by TheQ (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:25AM
  • Re:mirror list by arivanov (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:31AM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by sporri (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:33AM
  • DIVX couldn't kill DVD, but deCSS could... by weave (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:35AM
  • by DragoonAK (17095) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:40AM (#1526236)
    I'm going to have to disagree on both counts. First off, RedHat doesn't have that much money. They may have a sky-high market valuation, but it's not like they have that much cash, or can even turn it into anywhere near that much cash. Furthermore, why should they? If RedHat really wanted to make DVDs work under Linux at any cost, they'd go to the DVD companies, *co-operate* and give incentives, not start a fight they'd probably lose no matter how many lawyers they had. Going into bankruptcy is not a good use of money. RedHat's small compared to the media conglomerates - same deal with the fight against the DMA. If RedHat can spend X million dollars against, just imagine how many millions they can use.

    Don't expect companies to perform civil disobedience or be the revolution - that's what individuals are for.

  • Re:Remember CD music? by haggar (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:44AM
  • by Avoiderman (82105) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:46AM (#1526238)
    http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
    http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
    http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
    http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
    http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren/css-auth/css- auth.tar.gz
    http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus /8877/index.html
    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
    http://www.vexed.net/CSS
    http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vreeken/
    http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/DeCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/css-auth.tar.g z
    http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz
    http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
    http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css-auth.tar.gz
    http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
    http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
    http://www.humpin.org/decss/
    http://www.unitycode.org/
    http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
    http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
    http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
    http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
    http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
    http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
    http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.html
    http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
    ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
    http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
    http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
    http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVid.tar.gz
    http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
    ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.tar. gz and ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-st uff-only.tar.gz
    http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~adrian/css/index.h tml
    http://www.dvd-copy.com/
    http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/css-auth.tar.g z and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS.zip
    http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
    ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/ (very slow - 33.6 line)
    http://members.tripod.co.uk/bap/css/css.html
    http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/dvd/
    ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/DVD/
    http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
    http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-auth_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz
  • Re:Euh.. is it the real thing? by Avoiderman (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:57AM
  • Re:illegal ? by imr (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:10AM
  • Re:Don't call it Illegal. by hasse (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:15AM
  • Re:Euh.. is it the real thing? by Avoiderman (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:16AM
  • Re:The RIAA? by linuxonceleron (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:26AM
  • Sue RealNetworks!?! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:32AM
  • NOT illegal by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:32AM
  • Re:DIVX couldn't kill DVD, but deCSS could... by javilon (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:32AM
  • Re:Not really hosting it by jaclu (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:35AM
  • links dead by funnyguy (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:36AM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by Coolfish (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:45AM
  • Re:The RIAA? by phil reed (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:50AM
  • Re:Another mirror: by phil reed (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:52AM
  • by Baz Quux (33444) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:54AM (#1526256) Homepage
    "With DAT there was some sort of digital signature (i forget the TLA) that was written to the tape that ment that the tape had to copied by the machine that produced the master. A box of tricks costing £100 (ish) got rid of
    that and you could freely copy DATs."

    Ahh, that would be SCMS -- Serial Copying Management System. *ptooey* This depended on the hardware to check for a couple of flags on the recording - the L bit (0 for original recordings, and 1 for a first-generation copy) and the copyright bit - to determine whether to allow or disallow copying. Not really encryption, just a control check, and only consumer-level DAT machines bothered obeying. Pro DAT players typically ignore it, or can easily be set to ignore it, and nowadays, pro DAT decks are about the only ones in use. Any wonder why? (Well, there were plenty of other reasons consumer DAT sucked, but that's getting off topic.)


    The MP3 audio format was one of the final nails in the coffin. Fast, high quality and small audio files distributed freely are rapidly killing off sales of CD's. Well, so we are lead to believe by the music industry.

    Yep. They're damned fools for not seeing the forest through the trees. Capitalism isn't about saying "No, you can't have that (i.e. no decrypting DVD's, no distributing mp3's)". It's about saying "Yes, you can have that, and only for the low low price of $X." Those who oppose secondhand and thirdhand distribution of digital media are missing out, and wasting a lot of time, effort, and money in trying to stifle technology.


    Before long, we're going to have unencrypted, high-fidelity digital compression formats for any video or audio you want, and more importantly, the bandwidth to handle it. There is no stopping this. There is only the choice to embrace it and look for ways to make a buck from it, or continue dragging one's knuckes trying to stop it.


    --
  • Actually... (Score:3)

    by Wakko Warner (324) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:59AM (#1526257) Homepage Journal
    ...not all DAT decks have SCMS. My Sony M1 ignores it; I can (in theory) copy DATs to my heart's content without it complaining, or I could, if I had another DAT deck. Most "professional-grade" DAT players ignore SCMS outright or have a means of defeating it, whereas most "consumer" DAT decks willfully obey SCMS. (The lesson to be learned here should be obvious.) - A.P.
    --


    "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad

  • Actually... by Wakko Warner (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:59AM
  • Re:Yeah, but... by Foogle (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:01AM
  • Re:Don't call it Illegal. by substrate (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:31AM
  • Re:Another Mirror by Troed (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:36AM
  • Still There! Whee! by 1010011010 (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:38AM
  • No utility needed by Andy Dodd (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:45AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by voop (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:46AM
  • so dum by Hard_Code (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:47AM
  • Re:Not really hosting it by bungalow (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:50AM
  • Music/Non-Music CD-R discs/drives by Andy Dodd (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:51AM
  • Personal Copying. by Christian Smith (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:51AM
  • by MobyDisk (75490) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:52AM (#1526276) Homepage
    With all the sites coming under fire, and the MPAA on a witch hunt, we seem to have forgotten the real cause of this problem.
    • The US Government's arrogance in limiting the keys to 40 bits. MPAA and DVD manufacturers should be in an outcry over this stupidity.
    • Xing for letting go of an unencrypted key, and violating the security standards of the CSS protocol. Where are they owning up to this?
  • Re:Oh no... by Demona (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:55AM
  • Re:Music/Non-Music CD-R discs/drives by -brazil- (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:58AM
  • by Morgaine (4316) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:03AM (#1526282)
    The artificial barrier erected by studio-led organizations against access to DVD by the free operating systems is not dissimilar to a fault in the (information) network.

    Well, the Internet is good at dealing with network faults, ie. with the classic response of routing around the problem. In this case the problem is that lawyers and other luddites can prosecute website owners. No big deal: just post the sources repeatedly and automatically to appropriate Usenet newsgroups, and automatic news archiving worldwide will ensure that anyone that needs the code will be able to find it without presenting a target for slobbering lawyers.

    [And no, I do not accept that lawyers can get away with "just doing their job" without accepting responsibility for their luddism, just like I do not accept that it is moral for scientists to place tools of destruction in the hands of brainless politicians. If the legal profession wants to be well regarded, it needs to stop washing the blood of its actions off its hands.]
  • You'd still miss out... by Croaker (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:04AM
  • DeCSS by Fooknut (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:11AM
  • Can't stop downloading, but... by brandonp (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:12AM
  • It seems to me the whole idea of DVD was to create a monopoly. As I understand it, the idea of the DVD protection was not to prevent copying, but to restrict playback on players who have not paid money to the DVD consortium.


    I don't know whether there are any laws forbidding this kind of practice; I'm just saying it's wrong.


    Look at it this way -- *some* form of digital medium for the sneakernet distribution of video will become the single de facto standard, and it's likely that DVD will be the one.


    With the DVD consortium in control of the keys necessary to create disks and read them, a small number of companies effectively become in control of that significant chunk of media. Free speech? Dead. Indie movies? Dead.


    Bah.
    --

  • Will the same thing happen with Digital TV? by Hugo Graffiti (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:27AM
  • Re:so dum by AndyS (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:28AM
  • try nonags.com by PablosBrain (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:29AM
  • The Encryption is too ridiculous for words by Edwin Oostra (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:29AM
  • Just as well by Improv (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:30AM
  • CNet - Download.com by Avoiderman (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:31AM
  • A thought by snakeyes (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:34AM
  • Re:Personal Copying. by Stonehand (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:39AM
  • I got a copy by Jimhotep (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:41AM
  • by Sorklin (88002) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:50AM (#1526300)
    I read an excellent article [wired.com] in Wired Magazine [wired.com] that partially explains what is happening here. As we enter the electronic age (sheesh what a hokey statement) leaving the industrial age behind, we have a new set of rules that naturally start to govern this new economy. My favorite new 'rule' is Follow the Free which assigns the most value to those things that are given away. Such is one of the principals in which the Open Source community operates (consciously or unconsciously).

    But we still have many businesses (including the motion picture industry) which are still operating under the old industrial age rules. Those rules favor protecting property to preserve scarcity to help assign higher product value. That we can copy movies with no real overhead, threatens the scarcity, which in turns lowers the assigned value of the product. They see the need to try to protect their property, so that they can continue to retain value assigned to it. A great example of the extreme of this mindset was Disney (until recently) which not only protected their IP, but actually would take products off the market for extended periods of time to drive up the 'value' (by making the product more scarce).

    The Electronic world compensates. Its just the beginning of the new economy, and what we are seeing is that the wired folks are starting to act in a new way. Notice the increase of attention regarding issues of intellectual property and privacy. Both of these issues have to transition to a new set of rules in this new economy and we have a conflict of the old-economy businesses and the new-economy public. Expect to see more of this for the next few years.

    The popularity of DeCSS (in our community) and the proliferations of MP3s are just two examples of the new rules in action. DeCSS is a correction to the old rules, and MP3 is the principals of the new economy in action. Not that most people have any idea that this is going on. Like rules of any economy, they 'just make sense.' We like MP3s cause it just makes sense to distribute and collect music this way.

    Of course, I could be just blowing smoke.

  • Re:Looks like a job for ... REDHAT by bholmberg (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:52AM
  • Re:The Encryption is too ridiculous for words by Stonehand (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:53AM
  • Eye is much more sensitive than the ear by Sleepy (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @03:53AM
  • If you've got one, send responses to DVDutils.com by holloway (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:04AM
  • Re:so dum by Stonehand (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:05AM
  • Re:Good Luck by Stonehand (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:09AM
  • Re:Seems to me the DVD consortium should be illega by Rombuu (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:09AM
  • Re:Looks like a job for ... GNU by bfree (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:16AM
  • Re:Oh no... by MindStalker (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:40AM
  • Re:Sue RealNetworks!?! by Flower (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:07AM
  • Re:You'd still miss out... by AndyL (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:11AM
  • Just wondering.. by redhog (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:15AM
  • Registering displeasure with MPAA by Avoiderman (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:20AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by Kintanon (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:25AM
  • Re:Route around the problem: Usenet by Mignon (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:25AM
  • Re:Will the same thing happen with Digital TV? by Kintanon (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:37AM
  • Demona's Law by Nichen (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:39AM
  • Re:Mirrors ... Add another ftp site by quasimoto (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:44AM
  • Damn man by Uruk (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:46AM
  • Wouldn't work by UnknownSoldier (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:52AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by cwilson (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:54AM
  • Mirror list by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @05:58AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by Kintanon (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:03AM
  • Re:Good Luck by dufke (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:07AM
  • Re:sure thing! by escher (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:10AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by 3waygeek (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:13AM
  • Re:mirror list by Erik Fish (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:23AM
  • Re:Will the same thing happen with Digital TV? by Kintanon (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:41AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by artg (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:47AM
  • Re:You'd still miss out... by Sorklin (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:49AM
  • It only takes one... by mixy1plik (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:52AM
  • by FreeUser (11483) on Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:58AM (#1526350) Homepage
    No, you are wrong.

    The idea was to prevent the wholesale copying of DVDs like the CD problem they have in Asia.


    No, you are wrong.

    Wholesale pirates have access to commercial grade DVD copying and pressing equipment, which as another poster noted is not affected by CSS at all.

    Furthermore, wholesale DVD pirates have the option of recording from the analog output, redigitizing the result with only a small loss in quality, and pressing as many unencrypted DVDs as they wish. Minimal effort, minimal cost. Given the kinds of pirated movies that have been sold in the past (taken with a video camera in front of a screen for crying out loud!), quality is not a very important issue to pirates.

    CSS is designed to restrict playback and limit fair use as provided for under the law, including but not limited to making backup copies or moving the data to a more convenient medium.

    The MPAA has plenty of legal recourse, and muscle, to go after wholesale pirates. CSS is an effort to make an end-run around laws permitting individuals fair use, something the MPAA and movie studios can't stand, but have absolutely no LEGAL method of stopping (except by encryption and excersizing the draconian new rights they have been granted in the US through the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, which was snuck through on a voice vote during the height of the Clinton/Monica sex scandal.)

    As I noted in another post, I will not be giving any money, directly or indirectly, to Hollywood until such a time as DVD is supported under Linux and their witch hunts stop. Yes, this means I'm making allot of use of the public library, local book stores, and local theaters and comedy clubs. Now that I'm hooked on the latter, I will probably be much less inclined to watch movies again even after the MPAA cleans up their act (should that optomistic expectation actually ever happen), as plays and comedy acts have actually turned out to be much more entertaining than any movie I've seen in the last several years. But that's another story altogether ...
  • Actually, isn't this kind of like stealing cable.. by mattz (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:00AM
  • Link is broken by FauxPasIII (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:08AM
  • Re:Sue RealNetworks!?! by artg (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:13AM
  • Re:Can't stop downloading, but... by Sorklin (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:21AM
  • CD vs. MP3: it depends by Bishop (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:38AM
  • Re:Personal Copying. by Gleef (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:42AM
  • Re:Link is broken by Erik Fish (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:51AM
  • CNet to fight a lwasuit? by gregbaker (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:55AM
  • Re:You'd still miss out... by Duds (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:03AM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by bagel (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:08AM
  • Somewhat Offtopic -- ZDNet Story by Sorklin (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:20AM
  • hell, here's a list o' mirrors by emmons (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:29AM
  • Re:Seems to me the DVD consortium should be illega by Rombuu (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:36AM
  • hehehehe by emmons (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:43AM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by Caspian (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:44AM
  • DeCSS has very limited use right now. by dgp (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @08:57AM
  • Re:Once the genie is out... by cpt kangarooski (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @09:23AM
  • Re:NOT illegal by cpt kangarooski (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @09:28AM
  • Mirrors - Now more than 70!!!! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @09:38AM
  • .VOB's outrageously impractical by drougie (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @10:08AM
  • Re:Good Luck by Commie (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @10:13AM
  • css-auth.c by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @10:42AM
  • css-descramble.c by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @10:50AM
  • COPYING by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @10:53AM
  • Re:Don't call it Illegal. by ajlitt (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @11:29AM
  • AFAIK, Fair use is not a God-given right by Jeff DeMaagd (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @11:32AM
  • Re:Personal Copying. by Danse (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @11:55AM
  • Try this one... by Danse (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:00PM
  • Re:AFAIK, Fair use is not a God-given right by Black Parrot (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:04PM
  • Re:Ha! Stick it to the man. by Danse (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:07PM
  • Re:Remember CD music? by FigWig (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:43PM
  • Re:Seems to me the DVD consortium should be illega by FigWig (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @12:57PM
  • Re:CNet - Download.com by barleyguy (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:16PM
  • Re:Dead composers' works PD by ElecCham (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @01:47PM
  • Manslaughter charge after judge dies laughing by Morgaine (Score:2) Wednesday November 17 1999, @02:05PM
  • Playing DVDs sans Drive by polypropylene (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:02PM
  • Re:DIVX couldn't kill DVD, but deCSS could... by gooser23 (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @04:44PM
  • Re:If you've got one, send responses to DVDutils.c by blackwizard (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @06:40PM
  • Re:Electronic Age - Products Tend Towards Free by Intrinsic (Score:1) Wednesday November 17 1999, @07:39PM
  • Re:DeCSS has very limited use right now. by Spire (Score:1) Thursday November 18 1999, @12:03AM
  • Re:CNet - Download.com by Avoiderman (Score:1) Thursday November 18 1999, @12:49AM
  • Re:Music/Non-Music CD-R discs/drives by -brazil- (Score:1) Thursday November 18 1999, @01:47AM
  • Re:so dum by Hard_Code (Score:2) Thursday November 18 1999, @07:33AM
  • Re:DeCSS has very limited use right now. by dgp (Score:1) Friday November 19 1999, @02:20PM
  • Re:DeCSS has very limited use right now. by Spire (Score:1) Saturday November 20 1999, @02:05AM
  • Download.com has taken down deCSS by esjewett (Score:1) Sunday November 28 1999, @05:54AM
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